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Ducktales is good, though I need to finish it. The Three Caballeros episode was very cute.
I didn't like the three Ducktales 2017 eps I saw but I keep wanting to give it another shot whenever I hear that it featured things like Darkwing Duck and the Three Caballeros....

My main issues were I didn't really like Webby, or the LOLironic characterization of the nephews (and to some extent Scrooge), the mere existence of an arc about the nephews' mom rubbed me the wrong way (Ducktales should be just about "here's what we're doing today," not be an arc show).... but I only saw three episodes.

Didn't help that the first time I talked to people praising it, they were literal autists (not accusing you of being one, I'm just citing my experience).

EDIT: On the grand list of "reasons the 70s and 80s were better," to contribute to the whole "Animation for Adults" thing... is that back then we actually did have animation for adults. In a meaningful way too--stuff like Heavy Metal, Watership Down, the work of Ralph Bakshi.... nowadays "animation for adults" just means edgy humor.
 
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EDIT: On the grand list of "reasons the 70s and 80s were better," to contribute to the whole "Animation for Adults" thing... is that back then we actually did have animation for adults. In a meaningful way too--stuff like Heavy Metal, Watership Down, the work of Ralph Bakshi.... nowadays "animation for adults" just means edgy humor.
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When it comes to Looney Tunes, Duck Dodgers is seriously underrated. The intro alone is fucking great.
I just want to know how it was they got Tom Jones to agree to make a song for it and then cameo in the talent show episode. Maybe he's a big Looney Tunes fan all this time, but the dude couldn't have been cheap at all.
 
So guys, can anyone give me a crash course?

There's two audio splicing projects I feel like doing. One is applying the english dub of John the Fearless to HD footage, which I mentioned several dozen pages ago.

But another one came up.... involving Chip n' Dale Rescue Rangers. The old cartoon. I still refuse to acknowledge the new movie.

Specifically, it involves the End Credits music.

Okay, so when originally aired, the episodes of the First Season all had THIS End Credits music:

Ignore the fact that the uploader called this "version 2," I can confirm this was the first version.

Starting with Season 2, most episodes instead had this version.

Now, I've personally never liked what I call the "saxophone version" as much. Before the Sax shows up its better, but the saxophone ruins it in my opinion.

And like it or hate it, what is wrong is hearing this as the end credits music for season one episodes. But yep.... on not only the DVDs but also the Amazon versions, its a crapshoot whether they have the correct end credit music or not. I have confirmed though that episode 3, "Dale Beside Himself" does have the original music though.

What I want to do is take that music and just put it in the end credits to every season 1 episode.

Don't know how though.

Anyway, crash course? Please? Thanks in advance?
 
I agree animation shouldn't just be for children and that western animation has this issue of either being for kids whose worst nightmare is their math homework or comedies for jaded adults.

I don't see anything wrong with adults enjoying kids cartoons. Or wanting more animation for adults.

The problem in my opinion is them trying to hijack what's meant for children. My little pony being the most well know example.
And worse animators making things, not for children , but man children.

The woke cal arts crowd only makes cartoons for young adults all while deluding themselves they are "educating" children with woke shit. Then then they love to bitch once the network, to the shock of no one, cancels them in favor of shows kids actually watch.

Say, to this day I still doubt Steven Universe was actually mainly loved kids. More like it was sustained by adult viewers and maybe kids in their late teens if we are generous.

And this is from someone that agrees SU actually had a lot of great things in it's favor like some good music.

It's creepy when man children get all mad when literal children oriented companies like Nickelodeon or Disney don't cater to them. Instead they should just prove there is a market for adult animation so companies try to make more adult shows.

Or to be blunt. " Disney adults" and those of a similar ilk, they need to grow up.

Here's an interesting checklist that I made that seems to encapsulate every excellent animated children's film/series (from top to bottom of importance):
  1. Entertaining for the child
  2. Inspirational for the teenager
  3. Relatable for the adult
Let's give a good example. The Incredibles is considered to be one of the best animated films of all time, because it fulfills all 3 points of the checklist. All the action and humor is paced well for the child to be entertained throughout the film. The children, once grown up to be teenagers, will notice the themes of the rivalry between fitting in and being special and working together as a family, and also noticed the mature elements that Syndrome committed mass genocide on the Supers and a lot of people actually die in a PG film. Then you got the struggles that Bob and Helen Parr go through that resonates so much with adults. However, the last two points are prioritized less than the first point, and that creates a successful chemistry that is memorable for the audience. All three things contribute to a great animated story for the animator to tell.

Let's give some bad examples. The stereotypical animated children's film (like Boss Baby, Storks, Uglydolls) is geared towards ONLY to the first attribute, and that's okay. The problem? The stories are forgettable and exist out of an algorithm based on money. If the child grows up and rewatches it, he won't laugh at the slapstick or the jokes, he'll/she'll be bored throughout, but no harm caused. Most children's animation series nowadays (and films such as Turning Red) in networks like Cartoon Network or Nickolodeon only fulfill the last one or two attributes, and that's an issue, because it creates an echo-chamber for the adult (primarily in regards to the animator) to dwell because the series is acting as a reinforcer to his or her views. If that viewpoint starts to infect the second viewpoint, then the animation becomes propaganda, in which the main goal of the animator is to lecture the viewers of his thoughts and opinions, and without entertaining them, would ultimately create a toxic environment full of ultra-bitter shippers and fans. This is why if you're making a children's film, you gear it to the child first (which I hope that Bluey stays to do so), and then you can implement the themes that you want to put out.

The whole purpose is intent on why the animation is what it is. This is why early Pixar films are the best, because animators like Lasseter wanted to tell a story to children. This is why Ghibli films are one of the most memorable, because Miyazaki wanted to tell a story to children. If you want to go further, Oshii wants to tell a story to society, with the entertainment based in the visuals, music, and action in a way that relates to the audience. And let's be honest here. These animators and their audience of manchildren who are angry that animation is mainly catered towards children are not interested in telling a good story. What are these animators going to create that appeals to them, with most of them are stuck up in their West Coast hive mindset, because they're creatively bankrupt. Toro is right that animation is a medium of storytelling, but nobody treats it like that. Animation to the new wave of Western animators is a way to either preach or fantasize. This is why animation is growing stale, including both Western animation and anime. Animators for anime just watch to draw girls with tits. Western animators just want to create a hugbox for their self-inserts.
 
I just want to know how it was they got Tom Jones to agree to make a song for it and then cameo in the talent show episode. Maybe he's a big Looney Tunes fan all this time, but the dude couldn't have been cheap at all.
On the other hand, I want to know how they got her in the show.
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Holy moly.
 
I didn't like the three Ducktales 2017 eps I saw but I keep wanting to give it another shot whenever I hear that it featured things like Darkwing Duck and the Three Caballeros....

My main issues were I didn't really like Webby, or the LOLironic characterization of the nephews (and to some extent Scrooge), the mere existence of an arc about the nephews' mom rubbed me the wrong way (Ducktales should be just about "here's what we're doing today," not be an arc show).... but I only saw three episodes.

Didn't help that the first time I talked to people praising it, they were literal autists (not accusing you of being one, I'm just citing my experience).

EDIT: On the grand list of "reasons the 70s and 80s were better," to contribute to the whole "Animation for Adults" thing... is that back then we actually did have animation for adults. In a meaningful way too--stuff like Heavy Metal, Watership Down, the work of Ralph Bakshi.... nowadays "animation for adults" just means edgy humor.
That's fair, I never watched the original, so the extra serialization elements aren't weird to me. It's probably an example of doing cameos correctly, where they do bring in Darkwing/Rescue Rangers/Tailspin characters and create a larger universe without it feeling like they're just using all of Disney's IPs recklessly.

Webby's not my favorite, and I really don't care for her female friend they introduce later. I like all the nephews though.
 
On the other hand, I want to know how they got her in the show.
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Holy moly.
I sometimes think WB wasn't exactly paying close attention to Duck Dodgers or just didn't give a shit since by that time, they were losing interest in Looney Tunes. There was kind of a reason most fans didn't get to watch the last season 'cause it was carelessly plopped onto Boomerang, reruns aired after midnight, and then it took many years for the show to finally come out on physical media.
 
I agree animation shouldn't just be for children and that western animation has this issue of either being for kids whose worst nightmare is their math homework or comedies for jaded adults.

I don't see anything wrong with adults enjoying kids cartoons. Or wanting more animation for adults.

The problem in my opinion is them trying to hijack what's meant for children. My little pony being the most well know example.
And worse animators making things, not for children , but man children.

The woke cal arts crowd only makes cartoons for young adults all while deluding themselves they are "educating" children with woke shit. Then then they love to bitch once the network, to the shock of no one, cancels them in favor of shows kids actually watch.

Say, to this day I still doubt Steven Universe was actually mainly loved kids. More like it was sustained by adult viewers and maybe kids in their late teens if we are generous.

And this is from someone that agrees SU actually had a lot of great things in it's favor like some good music.

It's creepy when man children get all mad when literal children oriented companies like Nickelodeon or Disney don't cater to them. Instead they should just prove there is a market for adult animation so companies try to make more adult shows.

Or to be blunt. " Disney adults" and those of a similar ilk, they need to grow up.
The problem I have with adult animation is since it's inception to the present day it's devolved into a competition to see who can be the most edgy or the next South Park.
 
Late and gay, but...
I watched The Three Caballeros last night on Disney+, and it had a disclaimer before it began saying they're sorry about how awful and racist the movie is, but they decided to keep it uncut. I really don't know why they had to cancel it, I didn't see anything racist. The only things somewhat dated are Donald Duck chasing girls at the beach (but it's really done playfully and with slapstick comedy), Jose Carioca smoking, and Panchito Pistoles having guns (both of these things are treated as the devil by SJWs). Anyways, really good movie.

It made me fall into a Donald Duck rabbit hole late at night. I had heard good stuff about the new Ducktales, and while I would never watch things like Adventure Time or Gravity Falls, nostalgia won me over, and I decided to give it a try. It's surprisingly good and consistently funny. I wasn't the biggest fan of the original Ducktales while growing up, but I always liked Scrooge McDuck.

I've heard about the gay dads in the third season, hopefully, it doesn't get any more woke than that. I just want to watch something made recently that doesn't have any politics on it, why is it so hard to find such thing?
Frankly, I've always hated those disclaimers. Yeah, I know there's stuff that rips on minorities (or, with Three Caballeros, triggers them for not being "racially sensitive" enough even though Walt Disney literally created it to celebrate Latin America and its culture), we all know that. How about a setting that lets us choose whether or not to see them for those of us who aren't total pussies, like you did with the toggle for episodes of The Simpsons to be seen cropped or uncropped? As it is, I'm just gonna watch the Disney cartoons through torrents; same with The Simpsons, albeit for a different form of censorship, specifically Al Jean and James L. Brooks removing a classic episode for the sake of sucking Robson and Safechuck's dicks (granted, they're both assholes anyway, but that's for another discussion).
 
I sometimes think WB wasn't exactly paying close attention to Duck Dodgers or just didn't give a shit since by that time, they were losing interest in Looney Tunes. There was kind of a reason most fans didn't get to watch the last season 'cause it was carelessly plopped onto Boomerang, reruns aired after midnight, and then it took many years for the show to finally come out on physical media.
Ironically enough with my recent remembering of Duck Dodgers and the discussion brought here, they're releasing the complete series on Blu-ray for the first time on March 28th, 2023 near the 20th anniversary of the show.
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I'm definitely picking it up.
 
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Netflix continues to drop more balls than male puberty. :heart-empty:
(Gorillaz should count as western animation right? They've had shorts and a Cribs episode on MTV in the past)
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I wish there was a less dramatic "this is bad" reaction than Horrifying to quickly convey how I feel about this, but (that aside) this sucks man. I used to like these guys when I was a stupid teen, I totally would've watched a movie about them for old time's sake. They always deserved their own animated show/movie.
 
Netflix continues to drop more balls than male puberty. :heart-empty:
(Gorillaz should count as western animation right? They've had shorts and a Cribs episode on MTV in the past)
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I’m shocked that there was going to be a Gorillaz animated movie in the first place. They have come a long way from doing things like this almost a couple of decades ago:


 
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This guy would turn up in my youtube recommends from time to time, but I never clicked because the cutesy-poo avatar with a grown adults beard always creeped me out on some level.
I don't know if it's good or horrifying to see my suspicions confirmed.
like i said. It's a shame he still uses an avatar he might have came up with when actually did look like that once a lifetime ago, but now that selfie is a living, "pic taken just before the disaster." Only in the case the "disaster" is the five-o bout to come bursting in cause he looks exactly like a pedo who's about to get busted with his pants down and a hard drive full of cheese pizza.


Doesn't help that he called a cartoon 7 year old his "Australian Dog Daughter."
 
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