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[BetterFuckChuck]

i hate the fact that people are such awful parents nowadays that hollywood has a big head about having to, like, help the people man!

 

[Grumpy Pickle Rick]

Why are the mermaids white?

It looks fine. Either it will be mid or maybe a surprise classic like Megamind was. Never judge a DreamWorks product till it is out. They have made masterpieces out of much stupider premises.

You’re a fool if you believe that.

 

[Basic Blond Boy]

You’re a fool if you believe that.

I am going to give them the benefit of the doubt. DreamWorks has always been a gamble on quality, so maybe it will suck, but there is also a good chance it is really good. Nothing about the trailer sets off any alarms, it just looks like a basic hero narrative. My guess is that it will be a mid-movie, but I hope to be wrong in a positive way, and DreamWorks has definitely been on a roll to prove me wrong.

 

[TVB]

I am going to give them the benefit of the doubt. DreamWorks has always been a gamble on quality, so maybe it will suck, but there is also a good chance it is really good. Nothing about the trailer sets off any alarms, it just looks like a basic hero narrative. My guess is that it will be a mid-movie, but I hope to be wrong in a positive way, and DreamWorks has definitely been on a roll to prove me wrong.

It could be Spirit Rides Again bad or, to a lesser extent, Turbo bad.

 

[SillySherman]

After seeing all the shitty reboots, I almost want GKND to not be greenlit (like that would ever happen), because it doesn't deserve to be turned into a shitty 2020s cartoon sequel where the pandering is more important than the plot.

 

[Coolio55]

On that note, I got reminded this web-series Pubertina existed.

I too recently remembered smosh toons. Good fucking times.

 

[TVB]

After seeing all the shitty reboots, I almost want GKND to not be greenlit (like that would ever happen), because it doesn't deserve to be turned into a shitty 2020s cartoon sequel where the pandering is more important than the plot.

Even with Mr. Warburton on board by doing a new GKND, it's still gonna be tragic after having to deal with very shitty reboots, sequels, followups, etc. to huge IPs throughout 2010s to present. OG Kids Next Door will always be a treasure and I rather not have it tainted.

 

[Lone Star]

After seeing all the shitty reboots, I almost want GKND to not be greenlit (like that would ever happen), because it doesn't deserve to be turned into a shitty 2020s cartoon sequel where the pandering is more important than the plot.

I feel that about pretty much any IP. Each time I see something that was long dormant or even totally dead announce it's coming back, I always feel dread and know there's a 99% chance it'll suck.

 

[Maverick Vile]

Her series and even characterization fluctuates so rapidly that it is hard to even know what WW is.

Just like a real woman, amirite, boys?

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That statement is an objective lie. "Great movie" has no business being in the same sentence with Turning Red, and even less business being mentioned in the same breath as Del Toro's Pinocchio.

Them ADHD niggas still calling this new TMNT movie a Seth Rogen movie when he literally had nothing to do with it except being a producer. It's like almost a decade when people wrote off the 2010s TMNT live-action duology as Michael Bay movies when he also had nothing to do with it except for producing. They never bother to do research. Seriously, just call them shit because the new one is shit.

To be fair, I did watch the TMNT movies and they were everything Michael Bay is known for, so he clearly had some creative input, just like how Seth Rogan's sticky kosher fingerprints are all over the TMNT reboot.

Y'know, DreamWorks is an interesting beast. Theirs is a history filled with terrifying lows (Shark Tale, Trolls), dizzying highs (Prince of Egypt, Road to El Dorado, the Kung Fu Panda and How to Train Your Dragon trilogies, The Last Wish) and creamy middles (Shrek, Sinbad, Bee Movie, Spirit, first Puss in Boots movie, etc.) This looks to be more of a low/middle, but we'll see when the trailer comes out tomorrow.

Shrek was not a middle. That movie made a shitload of money.

 

[Vyse Inglebard]

Shrek was not a middle.

I meant story-wise/how I think of it, not box-office wise.

 

[BetterFuckChuck]

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animation fans: animation isnt a genre for kids
also animation fans: puts a movie for kids in the same vein as a legitimate work of highbrow art

Just like a real woman, amirite, boys?

That statement is an objective lie. "Great movie" has no business being in the same sentence with Turning Red, and even less business being mentioned in the same breath as Del Toro's Pinocchio.

To be fair, I did watch the TMNT movies and they were everything Michael Bay is known for, so he clearly had some creative input, just like how Seth Rogan's sticky kosher fingerprints are all over the TMNT reboot.

Shrek was not a middle. That movie made a shitload of money.

he was doing a simpsons reference

 

[Basic Blond Boy]

Theirs is a history filled with terrifying lows (Shark Tale, Trolls)

I’ll give DreamWorks some credit, at least the lows are memorable. Shark Tale is practically a classic now given the meme status, and Trolls I can’t hate thanks to this scene making me laugh every time I see it:

Would rather take a bad DreamWorks than a Disney.

 

[Kari Kamiya]

and Trolls I can’t hate thanks to this scene making me laugh every time I see it:

I'm so glad I'm not the only one who laughed at that. Was the biggest laugh I had in the theater, too, just caught me so off-guard. (Funnier, too, 'cause I saw it with my grandma.)

 

[Patrick Bait-man]

I feel that about pretty much any IP. Each time I see something that was long dormant or even totally dead announce it's coming back, I always feel dread and know there's a 99% chance it'll suck.

One shutters to think what they could do to our man Johnny Bravo if given the chance...

 

[Basic Blond Boy]

I'm so glad I'm not the only one who laughed at that. Was the biggest laugh I had in the theater, too, just caught me so off-guard. (Funnier, too, 'cause I saw it with my grandma.)

It has become a meme now.

 

[A Grey Cat]

happy St. Patrick's boyos;

 

[skykiii]

Even with Mr. Warburton on board by doing a new GKND, it's still gonna be tragic after having to deal with very shitty reboots, sequels, followups, etc. to huge IPs throughout 2010s to present. OG Kids Next Door will always be a treasure and I rather not have it tainted.

Never thought I'd live to see the day where fucking Kids Next Door of all things is held in high regard.

 

[starborn427614]

Never thought I'd live to see the day where fucking Kids Next Door of all things is held in high regard.

It's fairly consistent, quality-wise.

 

[skykiii]

It's fairly consistent, quality-wise.

Yes, its consistently bad.

Spoiler: Why I Hate Codename Kids Next Door

Minor PL, but my first GF (who turned out to be a crazy psycho) was a huge fan of this show, so I may have some sour grapes (and yes we were both adults at the time). It was also my first exposure to what we nowadays would call woke culture (thanks in part to said GF).

Kids Next Door was basically everything I didn't like about Chip n' Dale's Rescue Rangers except with few, if any, of the positives. The stakes could change on a dime. One episode Number One treats being kicked out of the KND as the worst event in the world, another he's willing to leave just because someone has a picture of his ass (which of course they show at the end because CN was run by pedos--and yes I do in fact remember people obsessing over that).

The characters had no consistency. One episode dude is autistically obsessed with following plans, the next episode he's all like "who needs plans when you've got these devices?"

Oh, and every episode was an obvious play on some movie, in ways that would even make Family Guy say "geez, dial it back a bit." Like I recall one episode being a Lord of the Rings parody except about flushing a dead goldfish down a drain, and for some reason they had Number Three acting like Gollum and Four acting like Frodo, bending them over backwards to make the parody work. This led to the universe being basically nonsense.

And none of the villains ever had actual plots. They all just had some power or ability that put everything on autopilot. Even in that fucking movie, the old shadow being just touches the ground and it sends out this wave that turns people old, sort of like that Ducktales episode with the golden goose except not treated as a natural disaster.

Doesn't help that the heroes are fucking assholes. Number One finds out the Delightful Children are actually an old KND team that got hit with a mind-control ray, and as said mind control is re-asserting control they give a heartfelt "we love them and we miss them" speech.... and One's only reaction is to be a dismissive asshole about it. Or how about the girls finding out that One is under the control of a "boyfriend helmet" that they KNOW is gonna eventually merge with his brain, this thing is apparently known in their universe.... and they don't care, at all. It's Two and Four who want to save him. Three and Five just go back to their comics.

This is before you get into the issue that a lot of the KND's own rules and inner workings are just... wrong to the point of almost being evil. They mind-wipe you as soon as you turn thirteen unless you're fit for service... and they're the good guys! Fuck that, I'd rather join the adults.

I recall hearing a rumor that Warburton actually lifted ideas from fanfiction. Most notably apparently the final episode reveals that Number Three was secretly always depressed but just hiding it (I was never autistic enough to read KND fanfic, but I had that psycho GF).

And yes, I know its spelled "Numbuh" and not "Number" but I refuse to honor this show's retarded baby spellings.

Which can we talk about how this show is a key example of "writers don't understand children?" The characters are supposed to be ten, and yet for some reason they act like they're five (including the retarded spellings). It also writes the kids as basically, little adults... including in romantic matters, when they're ten. I especially notice this with the higher-ups, one of whom I recall being this extreme career-minded woman.... she's ten.

To be fair, some of it seems like Warburton was writing basically a sort of 1950s idea of childhood. I couldn't help but notice you never see these kids playing video games or something except briefly, but they are said early on to have a one-a-month routine of going out and buying new comic books. Like, fine, Warburton was just writing the childhood he remembers.

In fact a fan theory I remember liking was that the whole show was in these kids' imaginations. I'd have been fine with that (indeed I kinda liked that pilot episode which implied they only think they're fighting tyranny when actually they're just causing a ruckus).... but then why is their imagination so boring, so full of flat shapes and muted colors and boring-as-fuck technology? When I was a kid, my imaginary base had an underground arcade and a secret entrance to what at the time was the best mall, and my cat could fire lasers out of her eyes. But see, my childhood was awesome.

And I know you shouldn't judge a show by its fanbase, but I'm just tossing it in there.... most fans I met back in the day turned out to be either literal children (understandibly these were the ones with the least amount of fucktardery) or adults who were crazy (and yes, in some cases legit pedos). don't take this the wrong way: I'm not accusing you of being crazy, a pedo, or a literal child, I'm just saying most of the fans I met were. And the adults in the fandom very much did try to inject politics. This was actually what led to my breakup with that crazy ex--she went on about how on this forum she and her friends were taking a stand against Bush and I said "you know most of these people are literal children and don't know what the fuck you're on about, right?"

As far as I'm concerned, Codename Kids Next Door is patient zero for the rot that afflicts western animation nowadays, and is pretty much the worst cartoon ever made just for that alone. The atrocious writing, horrible art, and barely-there soundtrack would be bad enough, but it being my first exposure to how icky internet fanbases can be is a cherry on top.

Yeah I almost wasn't gonna spoilermark this because the forum kept getting 503 errors every time I tried and I worried I was seriously bringing the wrath of God down... but eh.... I somehow don't think God is a Kids Next Door fan. (God was always more of a Sheep in the Big City person).

 

[Cool kitties club]

To be fair, some of it seems like Warburton was writing basically a sort of 1950s idea of childhood. I couldn't help but notice you never see these kids playing video games or something except briefly, but they are said early on to have a one-a-month routine of going out and buying new comic books. Like, fine, Warburton was just writing the childhood he remembers.

TBF comics sold super well in the early 90s and its in this era the best selling comics came out. The image guys and their marvel work was basically crack for boys lol.