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Shokew said:
Explains so fucking much. The toys sell, but the content is commitee-driven WEAK. When people start to learn the difference will be a miracle to me.
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The fact that the most viewed episode of their shitty Spider-Man cartoon was the one where they had to lure in the Disney Channel crowd and rubber-neckers wanting to see a train-wreck by having a crossover with fucking Jessie of all things really highlights how lazy and out of touch the current higher ups are.
 
nyess said:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=GJMHDGT629c
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I have a hard time believing it's true. I don't see a reason for this ex animation professional contacting with author of this youtube channel. Yeah, it's video about Star has many views, but channel is not very popular and if this mysterious person wants to tell everybody about dirty secrets I'm sure better alternatives exists. Also, making animation is complicated process. If showrunners were so incompetent like video tries to tell us, their cartoon never will be made. Also, animation is very specific and quite small industry so it's not a big suprise many of mentioned people know each other. Art students tend to be pretty liberal and sometimes gravitate toward SJW nonsense.
Alex Hirsh may me eccentric person, but Gravity Falls is really good show, so, who cares? I also think Dana Terrace is very talented, from what I see on social media. Disney TV animation in general have a lot of good shows - and quite varied!
The most interesting things in this video are confirmed ones - like Women in Animation organization being actually unwilling to help female creator.
While I agree that American animation industry has some problems, I dont believe it's some kind of conspiracy.
 
NielBreenLover96 said:
Here's the fixed link: https://www.cartoonbrew.com/ideas-c...s-the-hypocrisy-of-cartoon-network-57355.html
(There was an accidental extra "https" added to the beginning of it)
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This article does raise a good point, CN makes silly notes on minor things, bt kinda just ignored the sort of content that one of its employees puts out. But "ghostshrimp" isnt alone in that.

I personally dont believe all of the rumors around CN, maybe the "SU Bomb" thing, I honestly cant really get myself invested enough to hate CN though (let alone modern cartoons). These fake news articles arent too surprising though since 90's animation kids are easy to upset.

As for "Cat noun dog noun object noun", it looks boring. But I'm more irritated when I see student pilots that imitate stuff like Adventure Time. When you're working indie you only have yourself to limit your artistic choices.
 
So I know this got talked about a bit when it was in theaters, but now that Teen Titans Go! To The Movies got its home release, I wanted to mention how many different styles of animation they actually managed to work into film. It was pretty fun to see, especially since the movie ended up being legitimately good.

 
Steamboat_Bill said:
Does anyone really believe this who has a knowledge of the industry?

I smelled the bullshit when the guy talked about CN having no standards and practices board. They do. Here's an Adventure Time storyboarder complaining about them. (Yes, this article is a few years old, but I doubt Christina Miller has gotten rid of them.)
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You need a better source, because I don't think that a writer whining about "muh rape jokes" has enough integrity not to misrepresent shit.
 
Iwasamwillbe said:
You need a better source, because I don't think that a writer whining about "muh rape jokes" has enough integrity not to misrepresent shit.
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That's not my point. Luke Weber claimed there was no standards and practices board at CN. I found an article, even though it was out of date, showing that there was.
 
Steamboat_Bill said:
That's not my point. Luke Weber claimed there was no standards and practices board at CN. I found an article, even though it was out of date, showing that there was.
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It didn't show, only said. Big difference there. And why couldn't an ideologically driven piece lie about the existence of a Cartoon Network Standards and Practices Board?

On that note, why are you so sure that @oddish/EZ PZ's anonymous source is Luke Weber? Because /co said so, even though they're anonymous, and have (presumably) brought up no hard evidence to support this?

Strictly logically speaking, /co is as credible as the video itself is right now. Without hard evidence, I'll have to take all allegations made concerning the video and the Western animation industry as meaningless gossip and rumors.
 
Iwasamwillbe said:
It didn't show, only said. Big difference there. And why couldn't an ideologically driven piece lie about the existence of a Cartoon Network Standards and Practices Board?

On that note, why are you so sure that @oddish/EZ PZ's anonymous source is Luke Weber? Because /co said so, even though they're anonymous, and have (presumably) brought up no hard evidence to support this?

Strictly logically speaking, /co is as credible as the video itself is right now. Without hard evidence, I'll have to take all allegations made concerning the video and the Western animation industry as meaningless gossip and rumors.
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Considering they're not lying about the storyboarder's complaints and posted a link to it, what makes you think they're lying about that?

Funnily enough, in the /co/ thread they posted a screencap of EZ PZ giving a correction for his video in the comments - he gives off more stuff from his source, and one of those things was a detail about the making of a Gravity Falls episode that Weber worked on, the sort of thing only someone like Weber would know.
 
Steamboat_Bill said:
Considering they're not lying about the storyboarder's complaints and posted a link to it, what makes you think they're lying about that?
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To make Cartoon Network fire the guy over "problematic" speech. And I can't find evidence of a Cartoon Network’s Standards & Practices board outside of that article.
Steamboat_Bill said:
Funnily enough, in the /co/ thread they posted a screencap of EZ PZ giving a correction for his video in the comments - he gives off more stuff from his source, and one of those things was a detail about the making of a Gravity Falls episode that Weber worked on, the sort of thing only someone like Weber would know.
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Or anyone else who worked on that episode.
 
Iwasamwillbe said:
To make Cartoon Network fire the guy over "problematic" speech. And I can't find evidence of a Cartoon Network’s Standards & Practices board outside of that article.
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Here you go:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/study-cartoons-loaded-with-violence/
https://www.cartoonbrew.com/tv/mike-lazzo-and-the-secrets-to-adult-swims-success-110415.html
https://www.linkedin.com/in/jason-fernandez-343baa47
http://herocomplex.latimes.com/unca...think-wed-get-to-make-too-many-more-episodes/

I really don't know why the hell you're trying to defend the video still when it's a joke around the Internet.
 
 
All I know is that hopefully the next era of animators won't be cut from the ToonBoom cloth and perhaps give a style that has never really been seen before. I know it is very optimistic, but perhaps someone will come along with an awesome black and white animated show.
 
Iwasamwillbe said:
Ah. Thank you.

@oddish please respond to all this
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Is this about CN having an SnP department? I saw that going around after Kaitrin Sondgrass posted about it in my comments (and then deleted it) and that sped from the round table tweeted out what she said word for word as if he knows what he's talking about or thought of it himself.

But it's a good point. My source did bring this up when we were talking, but I didn't want to waste time on the minutia so I just said they don't have one. What CN has is a department that's analogous to a standards and practices department (I don't remember exactly what it's called and don't want to look for it through 3 hours of audio). Some of the people working there (and people in the press I guess) just call it SnP anyway, but (according to my source) CN's official name for it is different.

Besides the name, the main difference between the two is that CN's department deals with making sure everything is up to code with broadcasting standards almost exclusively, whereas Disney has its own lengthy set of guidelines that no one even understands because they're so crazy.

The bottom line is, even if you want to argue definitions about this, my point still stands.
 
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