Off-Topic When did you hit peak trans and why? - Finally realized that trans activism and gender ideology are harmful.

Have to power level a little bit, my brother trooned out.

The reason he's why I hit peak trans is because while I believe he's a lot like Pad and is just someone trying to live comfortably in his own skin, he still believes that children are capable of understanding the impact of delayed puberty, cross-sex hormones, and surgical butchery in pursuit of a whim and thinks parents are wrong to be skeptical of what their 15-year-old decides they feel like because some weirdos groomed them.

That means he's one of the trannies that doesn't make his presence a problem for everyone else by dressing like gutter trash and doesn't seem as overtly sexually aggressive on the surface, but he still toes the line for transing the kids.

There's no troon that isn't also a political activist in some way. Every single one of them.
 
Realizing that the modern view of trans rights is essentially 'you must do literally everything I say at all times and I can do anything at all that I want no matter what it is, or I'll kill myself and blame you' is just realizing it's abusive behavior that shouldn't be tolerated in polite society.
Sounds like the only way out is to call their bluff. Unfortunately, for 59% of them that is all it is; a bluff.
 
Sounds like the only way out is to call their bluff. Unfortunately, for 59% of them that is all it is; a bluff.
Unfortunately this is the case for most abusive relationships and abusive people. The reason it is so common as an abuse tactic is because most people are easily guilted and do not want to be the cause of someone else's harm. And in this case because it is out in the open instead if hidden away in private, the abusers have created institutions and laws that enforce their abuse on others - presumably because lawmakers and voters thought "I don't want to hurt someone" and so they gave far more power to the abuser and make it much harder to 'call their bluff' or escape.
 
Have to power level a little bit, my brother trooned out.

The reason he's why I hit peak trans is because while I believe he's a lot like Pad and is just someone trying to live comfortably in his own skin, he still believes that children are capable of understanding the impact of delayed puberty, cross-sex hormones, and surgical butchery in pursuit of a whim and thinks parents are wrong to be skeptical of what their 15-year-old decides they feel like because some weirdos groomed them.

That means he's one of the trannies that doesn't make his presence a problem for everyone else by dressing like gutter trash and doesn't seem as overtly sexually aggressive on the surface, but he still toes the line for transing the kids.

There's no troon that isn't also a political activist in some way. Every single one of them.
I feel like they transition and then start being even more critical of their body, voice, ect...

Then they start daydreaming about how to fix it, the road not taken, how early they would have had to take HRT and blockers to be the sexy specimen of their dream and the answer is ... pretty early. They project all their insecurities on potential trans kids.

The other thing, particularly with mtf, is that terfy types reject them from some female spaces on the basis that they don't have the same formative experiences or the same bodies so they hope to use early-blocked kids as edge cases, a wedge to prove that transwomen shouldn't be excluded on those terms ...

Of course some kids have those thoughts about being the other sex pretty young, but then so many trans spend their whole life comfortably set in their sex class and then at 30 they decide to troon and that's when the self-hate actually ramp up because they were okay-looking as men/women but they are bellow mediocre as their desired gender.

Contra talked about this, actually, saying thinking of herself as a transwoman, emphasis on trans, rather than a woman, alleviate the suffering sometimes.
 
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I feel like they transition and then start being even more critical of their body, voice, ect...

Then they start daydreaming about hwo to fix it, the road not taken, how early they would have had to take HRT and blockers to be the sexy specimen of their dream and the answer is ... pretty early. They project all their insecurities on potential trans kids.

The other thing, particularly with mtf, is that terfy types reject them from some female spaces on the basis that they don't have the same formative experiences or the same bodies so they hope to use early-blocked kids as edge cases, a wedge to prove that transwomen shouldn't be excluded on those terms ...

Of course some kids have those thoughts about being the other sex pretty young, but then so many trans spend their whole life comfortably set in their sex classe and then at 30 they decide to troon and that's when the self-hate actually ramp up because they were okay-looking as men/women but they are bellow mediocre it as their desired gender.

Contra talked about this, actually, saying thinking of herself as a transwoman, emphasis on trans, rather than a woman, alleviate this suffering sometimes.
This is a fire takedown of these pieces of shit. They aren't necessarily child molesters in the general sense, but their desire to "fit in" among actual women is such that they will sacrifice ANYTHING to reach their goals.

Mind sharing that Contra link? Assuming it still exists.
 
My opinions on transgender people started to rapidly change around half a year ago.

I've been aware of how venomous trans-identifying individuals can be for a very long time, both as a reader of KF for many years before this account was even created and just as a person with an internet connection. KF in particular documents absolutely grotesque specimens of transgenderism. Pedophiles and rapists, groomers and abusers, sociopaths and narcissists, the worst of the worst, all of them eager to use their protected identity as a weapon to strike at their transphobic victims and as a shield to deflect against any criticism. That said, I've always tried not to fault normal transgender people for the cancerous growths that KF deals with. I was (mostly) wrong.

There are two reasons for this shift in my views.

The first is detransitioners. Let's be perfectly honest, most of them are prime lolcow material, were fucked up in a plethora of ways prior to their transitions and will continue to be fucked up in even more ways after detransitioning. But a few of them are nevertheless trying their best to make sure that vulnerable children, teenagers and young adults do not make their mistakes. It's easy for transgender activists to just dismiss anyone critical of their movement as transphobic, but it will be much more difficult to wave away the tsunami of detransitioners that is to come in the following years. When I saw the extent to which the transgender activists and the medical establishment are desperate to silence them at every possible step was when the facade started to crack.

The second reason and what truly tore down the facade of the transgender movement in my eyes is the venerable SRS thread. I had seen examples of bad transgender surgeries in the years prior, but I always assumed I was just looking at the worst results, hackjobs done by some backstreet butchers. At the time I had neither the desire, nor the stomach, to gaze into the abyss. When I finally did, I realized that not only had I not seen any of the worst results just yet, but that there are no good results to begin with! Even the best results are just a vague visual resemblance of the genitalia that they are allegedly absolutely indistinguishable from. At this point I have seen hundreds of surgery results, yet every now and then I still get surprised by how uniquely horrific or comical some of them are. Virtually all of them are plagued by a vast array of potential complications: necrosis, bacterial and fungal infections, fistulas, ingrown hair. And not only do they not look the part, they do not work as advertised either. Patients wait for years for their severed nerves to heal, to absolutely no avail. There are no standards for most of these surgeries. Each doctor has their own little twist, their own unique flavor of genital horror. Patients are promised and sold fantastical results by doctors who are well aware of the limits of modern medicine. Once reality sets in, concerns about the results or any complications that arise are brushed aside or ignored entirely. Not a single doctor gives a flying fuck about their patients. At best they're just in it for all the money they can squeeze out of them, and at this point I am convinced that many of them know exactly how much harm they're doing and continue to do so with sadistic glee. The butchers are not the exception, but rather the rule. Informed consent is a farce. Almost none of the people who are transitioning have any idea what consequences the hormones they are taking could have and the havoc they could wreak on their bodies. In particular, the lies concerning puberty blockers are abhorrent beyond belief. Children should absolutely never ever be allowed to transition. The medical establishment does not care about the harm that it is causing to the vulnerable people it should be helping.

This lead me to yet another sad realization: just how little the transgender community cares for the health and wellbeing of its members. Grooming, gaslighting, hugboxing and toxic positivity are the norm, and exceptions to the norm are punished swiftly. You will be happy and you will be positive, or you will be exiled. Vulnerable people looking for help will be sold lie after lie after lie by members of their own community, and once they start complaining about the reality of horrific surgeries and gruesome complications, will be called divisive and delusional. You will be happy, at all cost. The worse they feel about their own transitions, the more they hugbox and affirm everyone else. The less they believe the lies they were told the more they have to try to sell them to others. It is victims victimizing each other, abusers abusing each other, over and over, again and again. Let's not even talk about DIY bathtub hormones...

I used to believe that valid transgender people (who experience gender dysphoria as a result of a yet unknown medical reason) existed. At the moment, I have no idea if that is the case. Perhaps one day when scientists are allowed to do their jobs and study transgenderism freely, without the shackles of activist dogma, we will know the truth. However, even if that were the case, I think such individuals would be only a small fragment of the transgender community as it exists today.

At this point, I believe that the vast majority of people who identify as transgender do so because
- they are fetishists of various types: autogynephiles, meta-attracted autogynephiles, HSTSs obsessed with straight men, fujoshi...
- they have severely internalized homophobia and harmful stereotypes about masculinity and femininity and have annihilated their self-image as a result
- they are desperately trying to distance themselves from past trauma
- they are autistic and mentally ill
- they are victims (and often perpetrators) of grooming and social contagion
- they seek the social capital that comes with the trans/queer label within many circles
- various combinations of the above

I would also like to point out one approach which definitely did not change change my opinion for the better and even had a detrimental effect - that of radical (keyword: misandrist) feminists. This is a very rare attitude on KF, but absolutely rampant on lolcow.farm and many other websites. If your line of reasoning is just Tranny Bad Because Man Bad, you are a joke. At least try to conceal your dripping contempt for men, good optics go a long way.

Kiwi Farms was crucial in opening my eyes, and I hope that it survives this storm. Perhaps I am too optimistic, but I think that the days of the transgender movement, at least as it exists right now, are numbered. The truth cannot be hidden forever.

Lucas will never be a woman.
 
Indeed. I've been lurking on Kiwifarms for years, collecting offensive memes and reading threads about these people and what they're really like.

Any honest person who has taken a look at this site, and the Keffals thread in particular (before it got locked), should be peaked by the fact that the government and corporations are bending over backwards to what should otherwise be a perverted nobody living in his mother's house. If you're not peaked, may God help you.
 
When Null did the video on Yaniv, that was a good start. Soon after I looked into it myself and, well, the stink ditch goes much deeper. As for peak, that's harder to say because somehow more shit keeps coming up and it keeps getting worse so I'm hesitant to say this right now is it, I don't want to jinx it.
 
I used to be naïve.

To me, being trans was something nobody really wanted to be. It was something they felt they had to be. Something deep down that they could not control. And that transitioning was the way to do that. Transitioning ruined families, it destroyed relationships, it brought about unwanted social situations, so I didn't see why anyone would do it unless it was absolutely necessary. I knew trans people as well that seemed to blossom after transitioning and I was happy that they were happy.

What really turned things around for me was ironically social media. The more that I saw trans people lusting over loli art and being extremely antagonistic toward women, or fetishizing all male relationships (especially between young boys) and trying to force themselves onto gay men, the more that I started to question what the real motive behind it all was. Then the more that I listened to testimonies from people that had detransitioned, saw how the community operated, and learned more about trauma and body dysmorphia, the more it all came to a head.

Why was it wrong that Rachel Dolezal felt that she was another race? Why were we telling Eugenia Cooney she needed to gain weight? Why were we pointing and laughing at Amber Shuping for conspiring with her therapist to blind herself with drain cleaner? Why were we rooting for the cast of My 600-lbs Life to lose the weight that they had purposely put on to shield themselves from childhood neglect and sexual assault? Yet nowhere were we criticizing trans people for feeling the same exact way and hurting themselves? Why was treatment for these issues to confront the trauma and to overcome being unwell, but for trans people it was to indulge in the delusion and run away from the truth?

It became obvious to me that there were a few main camps of transgender people: those who were more benevolent, transitioning because of their body dysmorphia, symptomatic from past trauma, that they didn't know how to address; those with neurological disorders who didn't understand gender and felt disconnected from their own; and young people who were figuring themselves out and needed room to experiment, using trans as a label similar to being a prep or a goth at school. These were the people who were the most vulnerable and were taken advantage of by those pulling the strings: the sex pests. The people that fetishized gender and had a morbid fascination with homosexuality despite not being one themselves; the people that got hot and bothered at the thought of transforming into the opposite sex and breaking the mold; the ones that lusted after the weak and defenseless, namely children. Then the final camp being those like Pad who had a much more medically sound reason for going through HRT.

And now I'm here, where I just feel guilt for the people who don't need to transition who are being coerced into it; disgust toward the perverts who cheat and lie to get what they want; and anger toward the people that support it all and push for it.
 
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I realized TRAs were completely full of shit when they started insisting that it isn't just a nice courtesy to respect a delusional person's pronouns if they want to be addressed a certain way, at least when they're actual English and not made up bullshit or something (like "it") that I'm not calling a human unless it's to shit on them, but that troons are LITERALLY ACTUALLY REAL WHAMMENS TRUST THE "SCIENCE" etc. etc.

Peak trans was probably when they decided mutilating and molesting children to troon them out was completely okay.

Before that they were silly and delusional. After that, they're subhuman scum and deserve anything bad that can possibly happen to them, at least the ones that fit that description.
 
It's been slowly going downhill over the past year for me but all of these recent events did it. Seeing the lies, media coverage, etc happen in real time was quite something. I was skeptical but was always very "most of them are fine/most of the pronoun people are normal, it's just Twitter" - not anymore.

The thing that started it was seeing a Youtuber that I occasionally watched transition, try HRT, then detransition and get yelled at for being insensitive. I think she was like 18-19 when she went FtM and then back and it made me realize that they were trying to fill some sort of void - thankfully they came to their senses before it got too bad.

Despite all of the bad stuff happening now, I think most normal people have hit peak trans, it's gone too far beyond "let them do what they want, it's not hurting anyone". We shall see.
 
The constant fetishistic behavior with the fake trans "chosen" sexuality is disturbing beyond belief. I feel equally as disgusted with people with excessive plastic surgery and the like. If you really hate yourself to such a degree why should anyone else hate you any less.
"b-but i'm happier as the opposite gender."
Yeah and i'd be happier with a 12 inch dick and an extra 2 inches in height to break out of king of manlets. It's not going to happen and that's okay. That's life and needing to so desperately control the very fabric of being is discordant to our greater harmony. When I hear lib-worshipers saying stupid crap about Star Trek Utopian futures I can't help, but wonder if they don't understand the irony that if we can't accept and be happy with our limitations. We are in no way ready for any utopia. That future comes with great wisdom and that wisdom is learning to accept basic truths. You can not switch to be a woman or a man. You can only augment yourself to have features of the opposite sex.
Just as I'll never stop being 5'10''. I'd just be a 5'10'' dude who got surgery to be taller.
That's just it, it's really that simple.
"I am a man who likes to have as many features of a woman as I can."
Alright, I don't agree with it, but I think you'd be surprised by how quickly I would accept someone who just came to me as they are. Because you don't hate yourself, you aren't performing any mental gymnastics.
You're just a dude who isn't normal. Great, now as long as you don't abuse or groom children I could give less a fuck about you.
 
Mid 2010s, mainly due to their "activists" and public figures. Used to be live and let live, bought a bit into the "troons having brain activity like the gender of their choice" meme that some "academics" tried to peddle. In reality, there seems to be way more truth in the "incel/autism to troon pipeline" thing. Call those some of those freaks men and they will always prove that they are men, and resort to violence/rape threats (as long as their victim is female). 1, maybe 2 years ago they were still pretending to distinguish between sex and gender, and when they were given that concession, they promptly moved on to now insist that sex does not exist, and that they are biological women and men.

Then the whole public grooming and transitioning of children, with ages becoming lower and lower, disregarding the tremendous harm of putting children on drugs, and performing Franken surgeries on them. At least nature doesn't play their game, and people like Lucas, Jazz, Kim Petras, etc. turn into fat castrati in their 20s, with all the mass accumulating in the center.
 
I reached my threshold five years ago, after a period of lurking in their “communities“ and slowly realizing their estrangement with reality. First, there was the obvious stuff, such as discussion of social and medical aspects of transition, and all that happened before and after they discovered they were trans.

After that, it started to get weird, with a high frequency of content such as doing `x` activity while trans, "look at me, I did this gendered thing", "will/do I pass", and a lot of selfies/sexual topics that usually did not shy away from degeneracy. For a group of people dwelling on a virtual medium, it stood out that they were more preoccupied with being a gender than they were with living as their authentic selves.

Beyond that, there's nothing but despair. Even with a healthy and functioning body, there are people who mope indefinitely with the horrifically misguided belief that nature has robbed them of not their "ideal" body, but their "true" body. It's possible that this is the fate that awaits trooned-out incels, whereas the fetishists and power trippers attempt to hide them out of the way, lest they dissuade potential "eggs" to hatch.

Discovering the GenderCritical subreddit and a similar blogsite named ThirdWaveNow (or something) and learning about Rhys McKinnon's glitter family, top surgery parties and the peak trans column was plenty enough for me. In the end, it's become an insidious idealogy that poisons the mind, body and those around. It teaches the rejection of one's body, and encourages them to shove their vessel through the razor fence to reach the greener grass. Becoming their "identified gender" is made out as if it were the friggin' Promised Land, without ever mentioning the underworld leading to it is reality itself.

Though they have become a nuisance in numerous online spaces, that's the thing. It's only because they primarily exist on Internet. Despite their attempts to spread influence offline, mother nature and reality will always be their inescapable nemesis. Whatever frustrations they may bring to you, there's always gratitude and humor to be found in the fact that you're not trapped in the hell they have created for themselves.
 
At least nature doesn't play their game, and people like Lucas, Jazz, Kim Petras, etc. turn into fat castrati in their 20s, with all the mass accumulating in the center.
And when they can no longer retouch photographs of them even remotely convincingly, they dump them and move on to some new child, as pedophile groomers usually do when a victim grows out of their age of attraction.
 
I'll try to keep this short, I have a lot to say as I've been keeping this bottled up.

I've always been left leaning, naturally, as that was my upbringing and what I've been surrounded by for most of my life. In the past couple of years however I've been pushed further and further from the left due to a multitude of issues within the political sphere (mostly social issues).The main reasons being the extremity of the far left and its creep into mainstream media, the prevalence of cancel culture, social justice warriors, and the ever so prevelant church of trans ideology.

Cracks started to form in my "faith" of trans ideology, but expressing those views in the current climate would had been social suicide. Excommunicated. This compounded my growing gender critical views, having nowhere to express myself I started to take in media that wasn't left leaning. I began to spot the sheer amount of virtue signalling and the hypocrisy in the media that i used to consume. I began to realize the dangers of transitioning, and their beliefs on society.

This was a slow process, probably 5 years or so but the last few years it has intensified rapidly to the point that I'd say I'm mostly fully peaked. I would say that I'm peaked but honestly it feels like it's a glass ceiling that I've broken through. Each time I think I've peaked it only goes higher.
 
Right now.

I've lived through websites being hosted from home computers and websites going down at night cause the person had to turn the compu off for the night. I've lived through aol chats, msn chats, integrated chat services, and IRC. I've seen too many websites die natural deaths. But I've never seen a targeted attack like this one. All because of men who cut their dicks off and the only way for them to get off is by abusing protocols to get one site offline.

And I'm pissed off. I'm pissed off that this site was actually really close to the forums of the early 00's. I'm pissed that people hate free thought and free speech so much. And I'm pissed off from all the rudeness. In the wild, I've encountered a lot of rude trans people and I'm done playing by "don't offend anyone" rules.
 
I'm pissed that people hate free thought and free speech so much. And I'm pissed off from all the rudeness. In the wild, I've encountered a lot of rude trans people and I'm done playing by "don't offend anyone" rules.

Troons, just like most leftists, are dark triad personality types who prey on the empathy and goodwill that other people show them. They prey on those who are addicted to the dopamine rush they feel when they go through the motions of being "altruistic" towards outsiders.

That's why western leftists protest so strongly that they're all about peace, love, tolerance being kind, all of that gay shit. It's a means to get people to let their guard down.

Anyone who says that it doesn't cost anything to "be kind" has never, EVER met a narcissist.

Spoiled brats who have never, EVER faced any sort of real opposition or hardship in their god-forsaken lives.
 
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