Off-Topic When did you hit peak trans and why? - Finally realized that trans activism and gender ideology are harmful.

[Sicko Hunter]

I held the view of "Trans people just want to be the gender their brain was born as they aren't harming anyone!" on trannies for the longest time. I had no idea what autogynephilia was and had no idea just how prevalent trannies harassing women was. Reading through Tranch thread and seeing just how warped people like Kevin Gibbs are changed my viewpoint. Then when I found the SRS thread we have that completely convinced me this is a harmful thing. Seeing how many botched surgeries were being done on clearly very mentally ill people opened my eyes. I think trans people are mentally ill people who should be medicated and given therapy. People are playing into a legitimate delusional mental issue and offering surgery instead of treatment that would help them

 

[WingsOfTarkov]

I still don’t give a fuck if some loser wants to dress up and be called “Caitlyn”, it isn’t my business, I’ll still lol at you but I don’t give a fuck. I do give a fuck when you think you’re morally just to give hormone blockers to confused teens. Theres a reason children cant consent, they have no idea what they want or how impulsive permanent changes will alter them beyond repair for the rest of their lives, but noooooo any opposition to grooming kids is “transphobic”.

 

[Norbert the Tiger]

This pushed me just a little bit further, when I always think I am as far as one can go without going over the edge. Taken from a certain social media parish. Attached only the image contained to comply with our Dear Leader's directive. If it still is not in complaince, please let me know and I will happily delete it.

That said, all the fretting and hand wringing about hate and hate speech befuddles me. My hatred nourishes me, sustains me.

 

[AngoryDorf]

When a friend of mine trooned out: this guy was young, had no real father figure and had a VERY bad home life. So one day he goes "I want to be a girl, I just KNOW that". I go and say "maybe that's just body dysmorphia".

In stepped another "friend" of mine, a cunt of a man that basically showed himself to be a groomer, reinforcing my friend's insane ideas and shutting me down at every turn.
Like a retard I complied, thinking I should just shut up and be a good ally.

Then my (now) ex-bf went through depression. Same groomer went "maybe it's because you're dysphoric tee-hee". And so, another good person fell to the fucking insanity.

Then the groomer, the two trannies and another fucker started talking about how John Money was a misunderstood man, and how his studies were "good achually". It took that and panic attacks during COVID to make me peak and leave them all behind.

Forgive the messy post btw, tired and tipsy.

 

[Aero the Alcoholic Bat]

Then the groomer, the two trannies and another fucker started talking about how John Money was a misunderstood man, and how his studies were "good achually".

A fair amount of troon apologists will try to argue that John Money was bad because he assumed that "gender identity" was the result of nurture rather than nature, and that his failure proves the concept of an innate gender identity.

It's refreshing tho to see troon apologists be honest about the fact that they love Money and the "work" that he did.

 

[Naes]

A fair amount of troon apologists will try to argue that John Money was bad because he assumed that "gender identity" was the result of nurture rather than nature, and that his failure proves the concept of an innate gender identity.

It's refreshing tho to see troon apologists be honest about the fact that they love Money and the "work" that he did.

I bet they neglet to speak about those 2 boys that grew up and took their lives. The 2 that didn't want anything to do with Money.

 

[gangster computer god]

I feel like I am going insane. Especially as of late with this whole mob of people regurgitating whatever they hear on twitch and recent wave of censorship, but I just wanted to get my thoughts out there. I apologize for the long rant, this is my first post and I am angry. I have always been someone I would think is very tolerant. I am probably someone who was brain-washed into believing LGBTQ+ genderspecial shit from a very young age, mostly due to tumblr and progressive websites I was using at the time. For years, I had believed with all my heart that transgender people were sick, needed treatment, and had no bad intentions whatsoever. I still don't believe that every single transgender alive is a fake and all of them have the worst intentions, just like I don't believe every single Kiwifarms user is a terrorist and an alt-right-maga-whatever-the-media-is-saying. However, I think there is a very real issue with transgenderism in the US and western world, and the more it is ignored and the bigger it will grow. I legitimately believe kids are retarded and are being influenced to think getting HRT and related medical help is a quick fix to teen angst and self-identity issues. I don't really think I had a sense of the world until I was 18; I am terrified to think of children making rash, dumb decisions they can't reverse. For the love of god, it is fucking terrifying to think of a 40 year old man that thinks he is a woman speaking to a 14 year old boy he is not related to about sexual interests. As if adults cannot have impacts on the kids they are around. It is now being presented as a black and white issue, giving these children these drugs, instead of a debate that can be had with some semblance of rationale and decorum. If you even slightly go against the grain, no matter what your beliefs truly are, you are lumped in with terrorists and transphobes and nazis and whatever other label they want to throw on you for saying what you thought. I'm not sure what the solution to any of this is and it is so fucking frustrating. Thinking of the world children have to grow up in today, the thought of boys who thought they were girls going in the locker rooms to change with girls was just a debate topic while I was in school. If I had kids that had to deal with even a little of what I was hearing in the news, I don't even know what I would do. I think I am definitely at the point where I have hit my "peak" and a lot of others, like me who were a doormat thinking that transgenders needed to be coddled and handled with kiddie-gloves, are going to come to the same realization that this shit is harmful and are going to stop enabling it.

 

[Chris_Stuckmann]

I grew up in a progressive area, so I've always been somewhat familiar with the trans community. Knew trans people in high school and in college. I never thought too much of them, and even began to sympathize with their plight after I ran into an MtF in the men's restroom. I knew of a couple tranny lolcows on the Internet (Jerry Peet, to be specific), but I didn't think they represented the trans community.

I also used to be a fan of the anime YouTuber Digibro back when I was a teenager. He has a thread here. I eventually grew out of his content, only revisiting his channel every couple of months. After he trooned out in early 2020, I rejected his transition because I could tell that he was delusional. He wasn't a woman, he was just crazy from pride, drugs, and a manipulative girlfriend magnifying his worst impulses. He'd always had an addictive personality, always been egotistical. That's when I began to peak- when I realized that Digibro wasn't the exception, but the rule. Most trans people have similar stories to Digibro: egotistical, weak young men with high libidos and poor self control. Weak young men who want to be seen as powerful, radical, and sexual. Just look at ContraPoints and his circle. They're all the same.

I'd be lying if I said I didn't see myself in some of them, but that just convinces me further of their invalidity. I'm a man and so are they.

 

[MightyMorphin'Willbender]

Technically my complete peaking moment was within the last couple years, although like a dumbass hipster I'd say I started peaking way before it was cool. Just taking the scenic route really.
It was even a trans person who went and started me on my path, and I'd almost describe them as one of the sane ones, but their predilection of burning as many bridges as hard as possible is sadly not conductive to such a description.

Anyway, they were the ones who first told me these surgeries didn't do jack shit to improve quality of life.
They were pretty aware and open of all the problems and struggles trans people have.
I remember being glad to have met someone who would be so candid despite...you know.
And yes they practiced personal hygiene and dressed appropriately.

The ones out there now are the complete opposite, constantly lying! To our faces!
And pushing this onto dumb kids.
With people just letting this happen.
That's when I truly peaked.

 

[Kung Pow]

When I started studying the Hermetic Principles and realized that the 'gender theory' AKA tranny BS, or whatever those loonies believe, has its roots in the perversion of the principle of gender related to phallicism that they probably don't even know that it came from sexual occultism. The principle of gender states that everything has a gender, in every male there is a female aspect and vice and versa, however, that alone doesn't make you a tranny, you need to be a degenerate and an INFP for that. All that 'non-binary', 'gender theory' or whatever the fuck, just serves to corrupt the mind, body and soul with a false veil of science to validate their lustfulness that I'm not quite sure if it is intentional or not for that purpose of corruption. John Money is just the tip of the dilator.

One general pattern that leads to evil is when you are afraid, weak and ignorant; something that we are more then aware how it goes with them with their gaping wounds, HRT and propaganda that encourages then to be stupid, stubborn and close minded. When you are in this state of mind eventually you will no longer be satisfied with physical protection and will crave a mental one instead, bad news, gossip, some group existing, might cause a psychosis in those people. So afraid, frail and ignorant that throwing people under the bus for your own """safety""" will see like a fair trade, men reduce to a mere beast following the spirit of survival unnecessarily, devoid of human emotion and intelligence, they quite literally destroy their own humanity to become an animal version of a man to the extent that they don't consider and barely think about that they will die one day, that in the end it isn't that different from an animal that doesn't know it will die.

 

[ZazietheBeast]

Personally, its when that court case in Texas where the mom purposely gets her son to be 'trans' just to get back at the dad. Made worse when the court backs her. Not helping is how there's a ton of media and educational institutions trying to direct people into this 'lifestyle'. And the horrifying part is there are still plenty of schools out there where these groomers still have reign over your children.

Made worse when the regrets of people who have been burned by this medical-media complex are outright censored. It is evil in plain sight.

 

[Spedestrian]

I peaked the nanosecond I learned that the APA had changed Gender Identity Disorder to Gender Dysphoria in the DSM-5, because at that point it was obvious that the inmates were now running the asylum.

For those who aren't aware, the idea that transexuality is just a variant of normal gender identity was started in the late 90s by a few transexual activists who didn't like the stigma of being diagnosed with a mental disorder. At the time their horseshit was widely panned by prominent psychiatrists who dedicated their lives to researching and helping patients with Gender Identity Disorder, including the now-hated Ray Blanchard, who somewhat ironically shit on the idea as part of his argument in favor of providing publicly-funded sex reassignment surgery for transgender patients (see attachment). That's right, big bad Ray Blanchard, the guy who all the trannies hate for calling them AGPs and telling them to fuck off with their gender identity trash, was arguing in favor of giving every tranny free dick chops. It's almost like he was an expert who was genuinely trying to help people or something.

Anyway, these retard tranny activists were trying to argue that being suicidally depressed and wanting to mutilate your otherwise healthy genitals was just a normal gender identity rather than a mental disorder. And obviously they had zero fucking evidence of that, the idea is patently ridiculous on its face, and feeling that way goes against basic biological instincts of self-preservation and procreation. But these tranny retards managed to rile up a bunch of other tranny retards who also didn't like being called crazy for wanting to flense their cocks, so they cried and pushed and cried and pushed until eventually some bleeding heart faggot at the APA caved.

So then the APA decided to ignore all science and evidence and reason and reframe the disorder from being a mental defect where the patient's brain made them suicidally depressed about their perfectly healthy body, to an emotional disorder where the only problem is feeling bad about your gender and wanting to be a different one, which is also basically the only diagnostic symptom. No seriously, it's literally the only disorder in the DSM-5 where insisting that you have it means you meet the criteria for having it. If you go to a psychiatrist saying you've got autism/ADHD/schizophrenia/whatever then there are a bunch of criteria and questions and shit tests they can use to determine if you actually have it. But if you go in and just screech "I HATE BEING A MAN, I WANNA BE A GIRL" there isn't a single criteria they can use to filter you out, because they removed fucking all of those when they redefined it.

So yeah, I peaked on trans activists and their profoundly harmful reality-bending ideology the minute those fuckers managed to get an actual medical diagnosis replaced with their feels over reals tautological clown shit. It's all been downhill since then, they've kept doing the same type of thing and using each successful psyop to get more of a foothold for the next. And it's fucking crazy to me that anyone has ever bought into it, because we're talking about people who hate their perfectly healthy genitals so much that they frequently kill themselves over it. Like it's the most obvious mental illness ever, I don't understand how so many people have been hoodwinked by that shit.

 

[Safir]

When I found out Caster Semenya was a man. I was already firmly on the downslope, but that was the first time I was actually MATI. I'd read articles about how he's supposedly forced to go through various humiliating tests to prove he's a woman, and I sympathized.But no - not only is he a man (which can be easily proved with a blood test) but all the media conspired to lie about it.

As a kid, I lived through the worst civilizational whorification in the history of the universe. My role models were Japanese cartoon protagonists from the 70s. Gender-critical ex-tomboys often say "I would've trooned out" - well I definitely wouldn't have trooned out because of how much troon ideology is focused on sex (the act). But, when I turned 10 and got to wear jeans, I felt awesome, complete and whole, like my body actually belonged in the world rather than being a shitty vehicle for my brain.

So I used to sympathize with male troons: what if there are men who feel about dresses and skirts the same way? Men in dresses are gross and disgusting, so they have to use plastic surgery to look less disgusting. (Plastic surgery was also heavily pushed at the time, and of course I despised it, but a man in a dress is gross on par with a facial deformity, so it seemed like the other legitimate use, provided the troon paid for it himself).

As for female troons, it didn't even occur to me that they might exist - women can wear "men's" clothes just fine! If it had, I certainly wouldn't have any sympathy for them.

Fast forward to late 00s, I was lurking on a commie hobby forum. (The forum was hosted and run by a Texan centrist, but the MVP was a Communist and half the forum were his fanboys.) A man declared he was "a transgender woman". He instantly got pushback for it; I decided to post what I thought encouraging: "don't think of yourself as a transgender, now that you've had the operation you're a woman, no qualifiers". And he said, "I didn't have an operation, I identify as a woman so I am one, I am perfectly content to be a woman with a penis". (He also took the word "transgendered" as a borderline death threat.) I went lolwut, and the other posters made short work of him, despite not possessing the rich memetical background we have now. Otherkin and race pretenders were brought up, too. The common opinion was out-of-pocket body modification was ok on part of the victim, but identifying as something you're not (including what is now called "gender dysphoria") was peak retard and those people deserved all the derision and then some.

(In the runup to CURRENT YEAR ZERO, the forum went full retard, with the prominent TDSed liblefts seriously arguing for unpersoning people who rejected rape by troon. The MVP, the only other actual Communist on the forum, called them child rapists and ragequit. The forum died shortly after.)

And when I was already somewhat past peak, I first saw the slur "cis", used by a tranny, and realized they were enemies. But it took Caster Semenya to realize how entrenched they are. I am single issue on troons, I'd sooner become a monarchist. No compromise, no "good ones", no "gender dysphoria" excuse. Straight to the woodchipper.

 

[Bojack]

In my misspent youth as a leftist (I got better) I used to comment on feminist blogs. There was one in particular who was a hardline radical feminist and would probably be a lolcow if she was still active. She announced that transwomen were women, and immediately I thought it was complete nonsense and went against her own belief system. Still, whatever. Internet personality has weird opinions. It was when she started deleting comments that disagreed, and banning the posters, that I realised something was very wrong.

It never made any sense to me. I could follow the logic that they were mentally ill and had body dysmorphia and it was kind to pretend that they were women. I used to go along with that. The moment I was expected to deny the evidence in front of me and affirm that they actually were? Hell no.

It has been very strange to see a debate that went on in obscure corners of the internet years ago go mainstream. The more I learn, the more sure I am. So many criminals, fetishists and creepy groomers hiding behind this. The idea that if your young son likes dolls and dresses he has a girl brain is sexist bullshit. The idea that this means you should put him on puberty blockers is child abuse. It really is 'world's gone mad' levels of lunacy. Hard to believe that otherwise sensible people fall for any of this.

Sometimes I think there are no more mountains left, but there's always another peak to horribly surprise me. People arguing that it's a violation of a rapist's rights to not put him in a women's prison if he claims to have special genderfeels is probably the latest. That and stuff like 'Chris may have raped Chris's elderly mother but don't you dare not use the pronouns, bigot!'

 

[The Dude]

I used to be very live-and-let-live about trainzgingerz. My opinion on them started to change after the trans community started to viciously attack two close friends of mine who were MtF because they were conservative and supported Trump in the 2016 election. It got so bad that they ended up moving several states away to a Red state and ended up detransitioning. That really opened my eyes as to how horrible trannies are, and after seeing the demented, degenerate truth about the vast majority of them and seeing them manipulate certain columns of society (like politicians, news media, Hollywood, medical professionals, etc.) to force people to comply with their delusions...I've only come to hate them more and more. Their invasion of womens' spaces and the grooming of children, along with their refusal to acknowledge when one of their number does something heinous like rape a child, has made the whole lot irredeemable and unforgivable.

 

[OttoWest]

I’m a true crime autist on the side. I’ve read it all— unsolved, serial killers, black widows, historic crimes, grifters and cults. I find the latter two particularly fascinating and how the people involved are able to amass these cults of personality around an silly ideology based on bullshit— usually while lining their pockets and sexually exploiting their subjects.

Peaking came three-fold.

1. The number of sex offenders and serial killers who admitted to transvestic paraphilia which fit neatly alongside their violent misogyny.

2. The trans community actively hiding information about members who were sex offenders (peak case: Dennis “Allison” Woolbert) or con artists who used their new identities to hide their crimes.

3. The media and LGBT orgs outright lying about trans murder stats. I was one of the first posters on the farms keeping track of each homicide, seeing that 90% of trans murders were black men killing other black men and that they were not killed for being trans but rather victims of domestic violence, or random gun crimes. The lies in the media were so easy to disprove, I couldn’t understand why they would report something that took me and other crime geeks five minutes to debunk.

Unless there was something more going on.

I saw a picture the other day of a happy tween girl— red hair, glasses, and a smile next to a pic of the same girl, still a teen, with her hair chopped off, awkwardly cradling her now non existent breasts with two long Frankenstein scars across her torso. She looks like she is about to cry.

I don’t know how any decent person, parent or no, can look at that photo and say this is a good thing. It breaks my fucking heart.

 

[Something Awful]

What got me wasn't any of the shit about grooming and such (although yeah it is an issue). But there's just an underlying logical problem with it that there's no getting passed.

What initially suckered me in to the troon shit was the difference between gender and sex. Okay, yeah, you can be a male, and that's rooted in biology. But surely being a "man" has more to do with social norms and such? So at that point I was fine with saying that a male can be a woman. After all, there's a difference between biology and our social norms, right?

Well, this is where the problems start. What exactly makes a male a woman? Is it all performative? Does looking, sounding, and acting like a woman make someone a woman? Well, that's obviously pretty sexist, and does it mean that less feminine females aren't women? No. No one thinks that. So right there it doesn't make sense. And even if a tranny did pass, would they stop being a woman when they get home, take off their clothes and makeup, and start looking more like a man? If they don't revert back to being a man when they start to look more like one, then why? Do they stop being women if there's no one there to perceive them as women?

If it's not performative, is it self-identity? I'm a woman because I identify as one? Well, that's completely circular. A chair isn't a chair because it's been identified as a chair. It's a chair because it can be consistently described . Circular definitions are false by their very nature. For example -- a man who thinks of himself as a woman but still presents himself as a man. The term becomes totally meaningless. If it all comes down to self-identity, then you can live your life as a man, with everyone you encounter thinking of you as a man. But since it's self-identity, you can still be a woman, according to troon logic.

You can see why assenting to trannies generates all these complicated logical problems that you ultimately cannot resolve. I hit peak trans not because I was disgusted, or even because I was looking out at the world and seeing faggots like Lucas. I just realized past a certain point that there's no way to make it make sense.

Yeah, it's so fundamentally absurd. We somehow went from "you don't need to adhere to strict gender norms" to "if you don't adhere to strict gender norms, you should troon out". No one has any answers to these logical absurdities, and if you point any of them out, you just get shouted down with ad hominems. Shut up and don't question the cult, bigot. Mental illness is good, actually. Don't treat your depression, mutilate your body instead. Fucking mass derangement.

 

[Sam Hyde Simp]

If you're still on the fence check out this:

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I've heard the sentiment on here before multiple times, and I think there is only a very vocal minority supporting mental illness--body dysmorphia

If given truth a chance, every reasonable functioning person would agree it's very very ill to invert your penis and have it get rammed by other dudes.

It's just why would I commit political/social suicide.....

Spoiler: ......

Until some dude starts sending hormones he made in a bath to your 14 year old son, no one gives a shit.

 

[Aero the Alcoholic Bat]

If you're still on the fence check out this:

34 mil views

193k likes

109k dislikes

I've heard the sentiment on here before multiple times, and I think there is only a very vocal minority supporting mental illness--body dysmorphia

If given truth a chance, every reasonable functioning person would agree it's very very ill to invert your penis and have it get rammed by other dudes.

It's just why would I commit political/social suicide.....

Spoiler: ......

Until some dude starts sending hormones he made in a bath to your 14 year old son, no one gives a shit.

Nobody in their right mind "admires" celebrities. We all despise them, deep down.

Troon celebrities are even worse.

 

[Real Ariana Grande]

I posted about this on an old account that I had to abandon because it was too easy to trace back to my real identity, but I was essentially skinwalked by a tranny with his own thread here. He started wearing clothes that looked like mine, he took on mannerisms I had, started describing himself the same way I did...it was very unnerving and creepy. All while looking like a dude! And I was expected to "celebrate" his transition.

Around the same time, I was spent a weekend with women I knew through feminist activism (I know, I know). I pulled one off to the side one evening and expressed to her that I was having a hard time coming up with a counter-argument to something I had heard from TERFs online & I wanted her take on it. I said that I knew trans women are OBVIOUSLY women, but what's to stop a man from pretending to be a trans woman to sneak into women's spaces? How can we tell the difference? She hemmed and hawed a little bit, then quickly left the conversation. Within weeks, all of the women I had been friends with had unfriended me because I "was a TERF."