Off-Topic When did you hit peak trans and why? - Finally realized that trans activism and gender ideology are harmful.

Watching the Soft White Underbelly YouTube channel and seeing every single tranny on there talk about being molested when they were a kid. I pretty quickly realized that it's just a symptom of childhood sexual abuse, and that the joke that gays reproduce by abusing children wasn't as much of a joke as I had hoped.
 
"Everyone is either trans or cis."
"What if someone doesn't have a gender born in them but they don't give a shit and just go along with being comfortable with what their body is? What they themselves are? Are they trans or cis?"
"Not sure. I need to think about that."

What's the point in thinking if you always stop short of the truth?
Trans theories never give fully satisfactory answers to basic questioning. They won't always get confrontational. Some avoid it. God bless them. However, for so many it always loops back to, "Why do you hate us? Why do you choose to misunderstand?" I don't play those games anymore. If you're not interested in the whole truth, you don't care about the truth at all.
 
"Everyone is either trans or cis."
"What if someone doesn't have a gender born in them but they don't give a shit and just go along with being comfortable with what their body is? What they themselves are? Are they trans or cis?"
"Not sure. I need to think about that."

What's the point in thinking if you always stop short of the truth?
Trans theories never give fully satisfactory answers to basic questioning. They won't always get confrontational. Some avoid it. God bless them. However, for so many it always loops back to, "Why do you hate us? Why do you choose to misunderstand?" I don't play those games anymore. If you're not interested in the whole truth, you don't care about the truth at all.
That's what got me. The insane levels of intellectual dishonesty they have to engage in just so they can hold on to their kinks and their born-again tranny "identity".

I said it in the Korps thread in Animal Control, but Dave "Strype" Ferris played a big part in me noticing that. Here we had a very productive artist with a detailed, striking comicbook cover-ish style. A dude with a huge fanbase (in relative terms, it's furries we're talking about), who would absolutely break big if only he deigned to draw some humans instead of exclusively funny animal people. He even had a seemingly healthy relationship with his fiancee. And then he threw it all away because he once drew his huge musclebound male avatar as a huge musclebound female avatar with huge fucking tits, and it made him horny.

I checked back on him every few months. He went from:
  1. "Oh, drawing my character as a female is just fun, it's a nice change of pace", to;
  2. "Yeah, I'm using the female version of my character as my avatar full time now. I like boobies, after all", to;
  3. "I'm not drawing male characters anymore. Girls only, with or without dick,, from now on", to;
  4. "You know, I think I might be trans", to;
  5. "Yeah, I'm trans, but I don't think I'll be doing anything about it. No big deal. Live and let live, you know?", to;
  6. "You know what, I think I'm just going to be posting everything on twitter now " (we in the biz call that crossing the Event Horizon for terminal online-ness), to;
  7. "I'm definitely trans, and I just started taking hormones. I got my mother to help me find a new name for myself," to;
  8. "My fiancee broke up with me but she fully supports my decision", to;
  9. "Anyone who says anything negative against trans people is a filthy transphobe", to;
  10. "I've cracked so many eggs, I'm such a trans hen mother, tee hee". to;
  11. "If you can't get HRT legally, get the bootlegged Chinese or Brazilian stuff. There's absolutely nothing wrong with fucking up your body chemistry with sketchy chemicals and no professional supervision", to;
  12. "I've got my dick chop scheduled for October!"
This guy is the textbook grooming case. You can see every step of the conditioning being layered on if you scroll back through that dude's twitter. And yet he would not admit or even entertain the notion that this is a kink that went out of hand. He'll twist himself into a cognitive pretzel, going as far as to advocate illegal activities, just so he can defend his terrible decisions. The whole concept of "cracking eggs" is an admission of grooming behavior. It's pushing someone to do something they wouldn't otherwise until they cave in and do it, and then rewarding them with unconditional positive feedback and/or actual gifts. Yet Strype and all other trannies out there throw their toys out of the pram every time you point it out.

The doublethink involved is nothing short of spectacular, really. It's no wonder these people are permanently anxious and unhappy. The cognitive dissonance gnawing away at their psyche is just insane.
 
First, replies to Everyone.
trans women co-opted and dominated the discourse around Roe
Way late reply but I just started reading the thread now.
I have told to trans "aquaintances" on online places that being pedantic about TWAW regarding Roe v Wade was an strategic blunder of unimaginable proportions. Letting that slight slide... slide (heh) regarding ignoring transwomen in this particular issue, would have been a great thing in the long run. But no, they decided to insert themselves again into the issue, making everyone else point and laugh.
When they started fucking with kids.
Yup. And soon to be illegal to tell a kid not to chop his cock or lop her tits.
I’ve had more peaks than an Alpine bicycle race
Ever since I joined KF, my peaking looks like the "Tour de France"
Even if I admit that KF only shows the worst (it kinda does) these are too many derranged people to tolerate around kids, or society as a whole.
Well hello my personal Peak Trans moment.
Finding Yaniv some time after the Zoosadist shitshow (reason I joined KF) was what made me gain an addiction to the now-stinkditch threads.

Now, another peak to my peak collection
I know a woman that, out of some deranged fetish she had, transed her own (male) partner, now they are a lesbian couple and the former-man is on HRT and awaiting the chop. Funny thing is, she made an offhand joke about "I'm transing my next partner" in the past, way before she got together with her current partner.

So not only is a fetish doing it, like AGPs. It is also a fetish making others doing it, grooming is a fetish in on itself now.
 
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I have told to trans "aquaintances" on online places that being pedantic about TWAW regarding Roe v Wade was an strategic blunder of unimaginable proportions. Letting that slight slide... slide (heh) regarding ignoring transwomen in this particular issue, would have been a great thing in the long run. But no, they decided to insert themselves again into the issue, making everyone else point and laugh.
I know I said earlier in the thread that my peak with TRAs happened in 2019 or so, but I did definitely re-peak with the Roe thing (to say nothing of recent events directly happening to this site) . Im not a woman, but I am very strongly pro choice. I remember thinking upon getting the news in a morbid bit of black humor 'how long will it be until TRAs make this about themselves?' and it took-online anyway-about 5 minutes max of just scoldy posts everywhere REMEMBER NOT ALL WOMEN CAN HAVE ABORTIONS AND SOME MEN NEED ABORTIONS TOO and while I felt nowhere near the level of anger and disgust as I did against SCOTUS at that time, it was like the diarhhea icing on a turd cake. It just drove the point home what a truly clownish and pathetic world we live in that our discourse on important and systemic issues is so predictably hijacked by this band of Cluster B hysterics that you can just bank on them inserting themselves into everything no matter how inappropriate and they will still exceed your expectations about how stupid it will go down.
 
Had a mild peak recently while noticing that a notable fraction of the homeless in the area have trooned out. At first I thought they were just wearing whatever was clean or on hand. Then I noticed all the wigs, the faux 'feminine' body language (usually extremely exaggerated walking), and layers of cheap makeup.

Just made me have a nightmare scenario playing through my head because I've dealt with very aggressive homeless people before. Add in some Ma'amzilla factors and it just made me genuinely repulsed.
 
I peaked a few years ago and the biggest thing that opened my eyes was dating a TiF for a couple of years in high school. Kinda starved for options I didn't think it was a real bad idea back then, and that being with anybody was better than being alone but honestly it's easily one of the biggest regrets of my life, especially just because I couldn't help her out of it.

After spending so much time with her it was clear it was just a coping mechanism for her. She had a horribly abusive father and was molested as a kid, obviously using the transition as a method to both distance herself from the situation that got her assaulted as a kid, but also to act as the boy her dad wanted but never had (even though she had a younger brother). Going above and beyond everyday to get the acceptance and love from an asshole dad that never would be happy with a daughter, and ESPECIALLY not a fucked up fake son.

I was accepting but skeptical of the transition when I was with her but in hindsight the signs are stupidly obvious that I might have been able to get her real help that her "friends" on Tumblr were more than likely pushing her away from. She didn't need hormones or a new wardrobe to get what she really wanted deep down. I think serious therapy, learning to forget about her father, and too seek out his impossible approval would have done her much better in the long run.
 
Kinda starved for options I didn't think it was a real bad idea back then, and that being with anybody was better than being alone but honestly it's easily one of the biggest regrets of my life, especially just because I couldn't help her out of it.

Hopefully I don't sound like a dick when I say this, but celibacy isn't the worst thing in the world. Some people just gotta learn that the hard way, dating a troon would definitely drill in that lesson.

Doesn't make you an incel either. There's a huge difference between someone who laments that he can't get laid, and someone who patiently waits for the right time to do it.
 
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This actually got me thinking quite a bit. I didnt have a problem with them until they started forcing themselves into literally everything they could. In a few years they went from existing to being the loudest, most obnoxious, most aggressive community of fuckwits the internet has ever seen, and in that same time they went from existing to trying to infect everyone elses children. The number of kids buying into this shit in schools has skyrocketed in the last few years, and i blame the grooming troons of the internet for it.

i didnt hate them, then they showed their true colours, now i do.
 
I used to be pretty chill about trans, live and let live kinda attitude. The only trannies I knew irl were FtM who weren't super into the ideology, basically just abused women with he/him pronouns trying to escape womanhood. I felt bad for them and they were very nice so I didn't mind.

After the Amberlynn Reid Subreddit got nuked I first heard about the Farms, so I came over to get my fat woman fix. At first I was absolutely appalled by the way people talked on here but I still stuck around cuz, well, fat woman funi. The Kiwis didn't strike me as a bunch to hate a group for absolutely no reason so I checked the Trannies Sideshow thread to see why people on here had such a low opinion about transpeople. After that I hit my peak insanely fast. I just had never been exposed to the trans community at large and seeing it concentrated like that completely made me do a 180 on the topic.

So you can thank the jannies at Reddit for creating another twansphobe
 
Ding ding ding.

I've seen patients with mental illness' go down this route and I've always said "Treat the underlying psychological issues, if the need for transition persists after that, it's your life to handle." People don't understand how deeply pained a lot of these people are and how much help they need. Even if they suffer from dysphoria, they go through that for years and years and disassociate, these people actually lose their fucking minds before they can treat their problem. They absolutely require coping tools and the ability to fix that before any transition, otherwise they end up like the post/pre-op people we see on here who are borderline schizoaffective or bipolar type II.

I'm glad you got help, regardless of what your outcome was for transitioning. That was a very responsible and brave thing to do, I commend you for it.

As for me, I saw this a long time ago. 10 years ago. A lot of my colleagues were skeptical about this, there wasn't enough research to validate the treatment. To be honest, proper treatment is still being worked out but we can't really work against the cultural zeitgeist and it's fixation on giving kids fucking hormones with endocrinologists and psychologists advising beforehand. We can't do anything about that, the best we can do is try to stop this and provide actual care.
I'll never regard HRT as anything but butcher masquerading as science. The sheer idea of "you treat a dissonant bodily identity by modifying the body to reflect the delusion" is fucking crazy. I don't see how anyone got onboard with it in the first place. It's like cutting off a perfectly good limb because it's "not yours" or repeatedly giving an anorexic person liposuction.
 
Hopefully I don't sound like a dick when I say this, but celibacy isn't the worst thing in the world. Some people just gotta learn that the hard way, dating a troon would definitely drill in that lesson.

Doesn't make you an incel either. There's a huge difference between someone who laments that he can't get laid, and someone who patiently waits for the right time to do it.
Yeah don't worry I get you. I'm sure for most people it's easy to look back to how they acted in high school and be utterly disappointed in themselves. I've definitely taken to heart that just being a happy camper on my own is better in the long run than being miserable with company. Just wish I could go back in time and tell my younger self that sometimes.
 
I don't care if its powerleveling, its the only place I can post this.
I peaked when I detransitioned 3 years ago. Since I was in my mid teens I honestly thought I was a ftm. I hated my body, I was a tomboy most of my life, I thought my breasts were tumors and my feminine body was repulsive and I would lose myself in fantasizing about crossdressing as a guy and reading yaoi manga and stories where women pretended to be men. I blamed it for the reason for my depression. And in 2017 (age 26) I finally socially transitioned and took male hormones. I took them for three years. I hated the excess hair, I still do, I told myself I needed to put up with it to prove to everyone that I was a man, I cut my hair short, my wardrobe was changed to nothing but mens clothing (that were always too big) and I binded my breasts.

I honestly believed that it was a legit mental illness. People spouting "you don't need disphoria to be trans" I rolled my eyes. Then why do it? But the longer I went on, the more I hated it. It was a year or so in until I started to tell myself, I should stop trying to fit into the mold to prove I was a man, and just focus on what helps my mental health. I started to relax. I became okay with being more androgynous, while at the same time I tackled my depression and mental issues head on. I developed a male sex drive as soon as I started taking the hormones and it changed how my mind worked completely. Male sex drive, male emotions, male thought process. I masterbated to porn every day. I used to hate it for years, but that quickly went away. The male libido is overwhelming. In a weird way, the porn was a sort of sex therapy. Things I had hang ups about, stopped mattering. I was too horny to care if I had breasts. I still remember the moment when I was masturbating and I thought to myself "it's going to suck when I get my tits cut off, I'm going to miss squeezing them".
The next moment I thought: "Then what the fuck am I even doing?"
I had to process it all and stop and think about what caused it in the first place. It was sexual abuse. I was molested when I was 6 years old. I used to wear dresses before that, after that I refused to wear anything but baggy jeans and tee shirts. I never wanted anyone near me, I became isolated. I didn't want to think something like that had such an effect on me for so long, but it did. I'm still a virgin. I've never let anyone touch me. Puberty made it worse.

It's so obvious now. It was like a form of escapism.
I will have to spend tens of thousands of dollars to fix what's wrong with my body. Mostly fixing my voice and hair removal. I was lucky that I was still on the waiting list to get my breasts removed, and I still have them. They have been damaged from binding for three years.

I don't believe people are trans (born in the wrong body), I believe they fall into 3 categories: (1) Body disassociation caused by childhood sexual trauma which they mistaken for gender disphoria (most TIFs and gay TIMs fall into this one.), (2) autogynephilia/porn addiction, and (3) a maladaptive coping mechanism for dealing with other traumas that aren't necessarily about CSA, like lesbians and gay men in denial.

I'm not autistic (despite what being on this site implies), but I think autists have their own subcategory, they troon out because of either (1) autogynephilia (they are still mostly male and pornsick) (2) they disassociate from their bodies because of their autism and (3) they are extremely naive and will believe anything someone says if someone they trust tells them too.
Just be happy you got out before doing too much damage to yourself. I get the feeling a lot of detransitioners are going to regret the parts they chopped off.
I'll try to keep this short, I have a lot to say as I've been keeping this bottled up.

I've always been left leaning, naturally, as that was my upbringing and what I've been surrounded by for most of my life. In the past couple of years however I've been pushed further and further from the left due to a multitude of issues within the political sphere (mostly social issues).The main reasons being the extremity of the far left and its creep into mainstream media, the prevalence of cancel culture, social justice warriors, and the ever so prevelant church of trans ideology.

Cracks started to form in my "faith" of trans ideology, but expressing those views in the current climate would had been social suicide. Excommunicated. This compounded my growing gender critical views, having nowhere to express myself I started to take in media that wasn't left leaning. I began to spot the sheer amount of virtue signalling and the hypocrisy in the media that i used to consume. I began to realize the dangers of transitioning, and their beliefs on society.

This was a slow process, probably 5 years or so but the last few years it has intensified rapidly to the point that I'd say I'm mostly fully peaked. I would say that I'm peaked but honestly it feels like it's a glass ceiling that I've broken through. Each time I think I've peaked it only goes higher.
Just remember that we dirty right wingers tried warning you all about where this would lead. God knows I had to learn that lesson, too.
I feel like they transition and then start being even more critical of their body, voice, ect...

Then they start daydreaming about how to fix it, the road not taken, how early they would have had to take HRT and blockers to be the sexy specimen of their dream and the answer is ... pretty early. They project all their insecurities on potential trans kids.

The other thing, particularly with mtf, is that terfy types reject them from some female spaces on the basis that they don't have the same formative experiences or the same bodies so they hope to use early-blocked kids as edge cases, a wedge to prove that transwomen shouldn't be excluded on those terms ...

Of course some kids have those thoughts about being the other sex pretty young, but then so many trans spend their whole life comfortably set in their sex class and then at 30 they decide to troon and that's when the self-hate actually ramp up because they were okay-looking as men/women but they are bellow mediocre as their desired gender.

Contra talked about this, actually, saying thinking of herself as a transwoman, emphasis on trans, rather than a woman, alleviate the suffering sometimes.
>Herself
 
I’ve always been pretty liberal, and in most things that hasn’t changed. However, after having my/womens spaces invaded time and time again I’ve gotten so tired. My preferences and limits have been referred to as transphobic so many times that, guess what, it made me transphobic. My tolerance is gone.

Any time a woman tries to create spaces for others, and doesn’t allow Richard (54) who started wearing wigs a week ago and won’t shut up about breastfeeding, it’s “transphobic”. Not wanting to see a dick during ladies night at the spa is “transphobic”. Being uncomfortable with MtFs in a womens support group is “transphobic”.

Even my identity as a bisexual woman is transphobic, just on the basis I’m not pansexual. I’m tired of being told that not wanting to fuck a tranny is a hate crime.

My opinion for years has been, to let people do what makes them happy. It doesn’t affect me, so it’s none of my business. But in recent years the screeching has gotten so loud. Every womens space, discussion, group has been invaded. So much so, I now have to refer to my own femininity in neutral terms (“birth giver” is especially disgusting to me as a child free women).
 
@RowboatGirlyman (Sorry reply is a bit twitchy)

Haven't any concrete proof but the city i'm in has a notable homeless population (not Cali levels but enough) and I'm guessing the local institutions that give any sort of help are pushing the ideology. That or their shit choices are coming home to roost and they're losing their homes. Bit of both maybe.
 
Even in the beginning, I never regarded transgenderism as legitimate. I have always seen these guys as a little off-kilter and insane. However, I had this "live and let live" mentality and didn't pay too much attention to them.

Then they start demanding they should be referred to as gendered pronouns.
Then they start demanding to be named different.
Then they try to make it a crime for misgendering people.
Then they try to push this on children.
Then they wanna cut children's genitalia off.
Then they wanna insert themselves into gay and lesbian couples.

It is all of these which caused me to think that transgenderism is not only unneeded but dangerous and harmful for society. Instead of talking about our need to chop people's cocks off and turn them into vaginas, we should have conversations about what really makes men or women.

Sadly, it won't make money for pharmaceutical companies.
 
I can't quote but I can speak to the increase in trooning out amongst the homeless. You move to the front of many lines, double the possible resources available to you and you become trusted and harmless. Your creepy behavior is chalked up to finding your way in your transition rather than 'creepy fucking homeless guy who regularly crosses boundaries'.
 
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