Off-Topic When did you hit peak trans and why? - Finally realized that trans activism and gender ideology are harmful.

[glass_houses]

lol only in america

God, I fucking wish. Everyone under 30 in my country is convinced they're living in America 2.0

 

[Thorn]

I first grappled with the concept of transgenderism on Tumblr circa 2014. "Well, if they're not hurting anyone, where's the harm?" I thought, and continued my life without giving it a second thought. When I ran into genderspecials not long later, I thought this was strange, but again, I remained pretty respectful of it even if the very idea of singular they/them pronouns baffled me. I could just about accept stuff like genderfluid or agender, but the insanity of stargender/galaxygender/toiletgender had me scoffing and shaking my head even then. If only I knew how bad things really were.

The first trans person I ever met (let's call them G), I only knew online through occasional Skype chats and group voice calls. We met through a mutual friend in 2015 but never bonded and never spoke one on one. G seemed pretty normal, all things considered. He fit in and I didn't get any weird vibes. G sounded like a cis male, went by a male name, everyone used he/him to refer to G, and I never saw his face, so I had no idea he was trans until 2 years later when he had a messy falling out with our mutual friend. Apparently, our mutual friend had exposed the secret that G was trans. Whether this was accidentally or purposefully, I don't know as I only heard about it second-hand. In response to this, G went ballistic, acting as though our mutual friend had committed war crimes. G ended their friendship, deleted all the videos they'd made together, and became aggressive toward and hurled slurs at everyone involved with our mutual friend from then. That was when "woah, maybe this trans stuff isn't as innocent as I thought" first crossed my mind.

That thought wouldn't intensify until I moved out of my hometown to the suburbs of a much larger city. I hadn't an inkling of how LGBTABCD-infested the city centre was until I started socialising with the people there. Within a few months, two girls I knew trooned out one immediately after the other. One became an FtM and the other a they/them "genderfluid". The FtM in particular is a real piece of work. She wears skirts and heavy feminine makeup and loves to show off her cleavage all while insisting she's a real boy. The most masculine thing about her is her short hair. Right now, she's pregnant and planning on raising it herself with the help of her mother. Doesn't sound very masculine to me. Observing her and the other girl prancing about day after day affecting he/they pronouns while being so undeniably feminine in every way possible finally made me realise that this shit is nothing more than delusion. That thought solidified when I read up on just how badly HRT and SRS mutilate the body, and about how many people regret having the surgery and end up killing themselves afterwards. It's glorified medical negligence and I believe it should be outlawed.

I'm seeing more and more young adults fall victim to this trans cult, and they all fit into at least one of these two categories: prior mental health issues (especially cutting and/or disordered eating), or sex pest/fetishist. Luckily, only one troon that I know (FtM) has yet had the balls to start HRT. Most of them change absolutely nothing about themselves other than their name, hair colour, and pronouns yet expect everyone to bend over backwards to please them. If you make a mistake with their pronouns or their name, they explode and brand you a bigot. Exhausting.

My story is pretty similar on all fronts. My first real encounter with one was in a gaming group where, for quite a while, they were pretty normal. Now, one thing to understand about this group is that most people there came from broken backgrounds and we never shied away from the subject. Gaming was our avenue to work out our problems without resorting to therapists. This is where the story diverges in that the FtM trans discovery didn't cause a freakout and everyone respected spaces. What came after, however, is where the horror story began when the boyfriend came in.

This guy, a cis "gay" guy who clearly had no business being around anyone with any sort of personal trauma, near immediately started trying to cause fights with the more abrasive individuals of the group to try and drive them off, while simultaneously trying to smooth-talk the more quiet and vulnerable individuals (myself included) into MAYBE changing from a gaming group to a "bash the fash" cell, as he wasn't interested in our "shitty little hobby." I couldn't even find a way to contact the FtM about my concerns because this guy was just circling like a hawk. Eventually, we resisted long enough that he gave up, took FtM, and left us "bigots," but to this day, I wonder if I could possibly have done more.

When it comes to LGBT centers in cities, well, that's my hometown. A relative trooned out, but no longer wants to be on hormones because of how hard their body rejects it, but it doesn't stop there, now there are 8-12 year olds claiming to be gender special, demanding you respect pronouns, and generally being nasty little shits simply because they learned from Twitter that they can claim to be trans and get away with anything, up to and including getting "stinky cissys" expelled for made-up hate crimes just because they're a boy NOT wearing a dress.

 

[Two Gorillion Dollars]

Three people I know transitioned, one a close friend, another one of my best. Neither were particularly happy before they came out as trans, but not one of them has been in a better place since. The first was basically an incel and still hates women and is very uncomfortable to be around. The second seems to be on the cusp on detransitioning. The third... Well, I am deeply worried that they will regret what they have done at best, or kill themselves at worst.

Before the third one, where I watched one of the most creative people I know fall into a terrible depression and only get worse after they chose to identify as a woman, I'd generally been okay with trans stuff. But that was when I realized that I couldn't just ignore it or see it as heckin' cool and valid anymore. It is blatantly that obvious that trans rhetoric exists because of the American healthcare system (cha-ching!) and also because it drives a wedge into various political movements, which the elites have been doing ever since Occupy.

Other factors: getting more female friends and realizing structural issues and injustice women face are things that males think they can bandwagon for Internet points, getting tired of how a tiny minority turns every conversation into Trans Rights wherever you go on the Internet, seeing every LGBT focus in a company be for transwomen, Andrea Long Chu, Sophie Labelle, the mediocre male athlete to transwoman pipeline, working in the education sector and getting first-hand experience with the social contagion aspect within peer groups, how transpeople reinforce the gender binary to the detriment of men and women, suck my girl cock, the first trans person I ever met being an obvious AGP case because they started as a sissy fetishist back in the 90s...

 

[Golden Boy]

I've been very right wing for at least a decade at this point, but I didn't really mind them. Having seen bottom surgery and actually interacting with women offline, I was concerned when trooning out became a huge trend. I didn't want young confused, often abused, people to do something they'd regret for the rest of their lives. These concerns were met with massive shrieking of 30ish and up AGPs who want to groom young victims and treat it as "activism". Even then, I was pretty sure it was more of a pervert/pedo thing, as lots of discord garbage. But when they started openly hating women and getting off to humiliating women, it was the turning point for me. I worked in sports production, and working with women's sports was great. Very chill, and the sportsmanship was nice to see. But then these gorilla sized men started invading it, ruining the sanctity of it by smashing heads of tiny girls. It really opened my eyes to what dressing as a woman actually meant to these dudes. It's a deep form of hatred against women. Such thoughts as "being a man is hard, women's only society job is to be fucked!", or "Forcing women to watch me put on make up makes my dick so hard" bounces around the trannies head everyday. Using female spaces is entirely for male-centric sexual gratification. I'm a bit old fashioned, I believe it's a mans duty to protect women from perverts and rapists. I'll never stop bitching about these dudes ruining things for everyone.

 

[LinkinParkxNaruto[AMV]]

I've probably said already that i don't actually hate tranners but this constant brigading for censorship and grooming of minors really peaks me, As long as people like Keffals and Yaniv can't fucking help themselves their gay ops are only going to blow back in their faces and increase the ammount of hate people direct towards everything they represent and stand for. When its not just niche communities standing up to them they will come to regret their attitudes, so they better enjoy what little time left the mainstream will tolerate their stunts and overeaching.

 

[Theophilus Thistler]

My peaking only happened at the beginning of the year, I was TiF but I just stopped going in for my steroid shots 6 months prior because things were really starting to come together in my spergy chimp mind but I remained silent. I got another TiF housemate I found on Facebook, she seemed cool and had some pets, thought it would be fine. Turns out she was a cluster B nightmare from hell, ex-prozzie, straight girl reaching her early thirties finding men didn’t find her attractive as much anymore as her doughy Irish face hit a wall with years of drug and alcohol abuse so she trooned out. The girl was an emotional vampire and a narc of the highest order, her presence was constantly draining and exhausting, things I’d say that she’d decide were bigoted she’d not respond to in the moment and just calculate it later in her twisted head then spread manipulative and destructive rumours about me based on her delusions. She completely shat up her room too, owes me hundreds of dollars and moved out during the night after I told her she needed to leave within two weeks that evening after I’d quickly picked up on her insanity. She’s been gossiping about me like the bitchy woman she is to the local LGB community (despite being a heterosexual woman who lopped of her floppy tots and can grow a piss poor pube tashe).

What was the worst thing about it all is that we had the same hair style and build and people would confuse us with each other very often. I was mortified of the idea that others could perceive me anything as I perceived her and it was from there that I’ve really taken the reigns and the work and turned my life around from this lunacy. It was a hard hard slap in the face.

I don’t live in a huge town, everyone knew me as the resident TiF Troon and I’ve been spending the last 8 months or so confronting that and talking to people about how fucked up the whole Troon cult is. I’ve been shunned by many a hand maiden and had physical threats to my life by enranged TiMs (showing the chimp scrotes they really are lmao) but overall I’ve been really pleasantly surprised by community’s willingness to hear me out, the vast, vast majority agree this is lunacy.

 

[Sprocket]

Going back ten years, I never saw this shit coming. I'm lucky enough to live in a country where it never caught on (yet). I only saw my first troon IRL about a month and a half ago. Next to nobody here even knows what a "transgender" is. When you explain it to the vast majority of people here, they only get a general mental image of the shemale porn their lonely creepy uncle watches.

Anyway, it was on Facebook, I estimate around five years ago. I was "facebook friends" with guy I used to work with. This guy had a god-tier social retardation. Compulsive lying to make his life appear interesting, didn't know when to change the subject during conversation, dull as fuck, unable to get laid. This guy's method of getting female attention was to doormat himself. Blindly and without question just followed and repeated whatever politics and retarded shit the women he was trying to befriend believed. Turned the guy full-on sjw. It was on his facebook page where I saw the line "trans women are women, period" for the first time. And that was also the first time I heard the word "bigot". I had to google it after someone called me that.

So one of those women suggested to him, right on his wall for everyone to see, that she knows a cute girl she wants to hook his virgin ass up with. Naturally, this caught my attention. Thought he was finally going to get laid. He responded with keen interest and I watched a short back and forth conversation, right there on his facebook wall for everyone to see, about him meeting her, and how they'd make such a cute couple, etc.

I almost spat coffee all over my keyboard and screen when she said "I hope you don't mind she has a dick". That's where I got involved in the conversation. She basically called me a bigot for saying he's not a homo.

 

[Neko GF]

I don't really know when exactly I hit peak trans. Even when I could tolerate them, I also found them strange and was never behind things such as "non-binary" genders and trooning out minors.

One of the earlier examples of me hitting peak trans (and probably the first time I heard the word troon) was this:

Local Archive:

It really open my eyes to 1. that troons are deviants and 2. how much the US media covers up for these deviants

 

[GenociderSyo]

Almost 15 years ago, was working with a gentleman who was in his 20s who had been shaken as a child. He had global delays functioned cognitively at about a 3 year old level and emotionally much younger. HIs foster family was trying to push that he was trans. The man was unable to even UNDERSTAND pronouns so it was easy to prove that they were pushing an agenda to APS, but the fact they would attempt to push an agenda on a extremely retarded adult pretty much made me done with the shit.

 

[No Batty Boys in Jamaica]

Bruce Jenner winning the Espy. I’m serious.

 

[Friedrich Hayek's Ghost]

I had tremendous respect and sympathy for trans people. Then I met some, and had to live with one. She was awful. She refused to bathe, because it was "unmanly", implying that I and the other men who lived there were less male than she was. She also refused to help with any household chores, or even pick up after herself. I peaked when she made a comment to a female friend that the friend wouldn't understand something "like a man would". She said this with her fucking tits hanging out because she refused to ever wear more than the bare minimum. Then it occurred to me that the idea that a man could be a woman or vice versa is fucking retarded, so I looked up where the whole "gender" idea came from. Read about John Money, and that was pretty much the last straw.

 

[Takayuki Yagami]

One of the innumerable freaks that’ve tried to fuck with us. I can’t even remember which one it was at this point.

 

[idon'tknowhatyoumean]

I never knew what being transgender even was till mid 2016. I assumed they were cross dressers as that's the term I grew up hearing. I tried being supportive of them and their movement, but the illusion eventually faded around 2020. I began to see their loudest voices were degenerates that have a long history of questionable behavior, and even with evidence people are wanting to excuse that because... trans. I feel like the majority are pervs wanting to invade women's spaces, especially seeing how more and more are being put in women's prison.

I never experienced any crazy/outlandish encounters in the wild (other than my friends and family pointing out that was the ugliest chick they saw in a dress), yet.

 

[Milktowst]

I guess it’s high time for me to tell my story. I’ll do it in bullet points but way back when, when I was a high schooler, I used to be fairly supportive of the left and was even convinced to join a left wing debate club. Needless to say, a lot of the stuff they said there began to clash with my pre-existing morals, and it was mainly about stuff that I didn’t know existed.

1. The absolute narcissistic behavior from transgender people. They demand that you perceive them as something that they are not, and well, if you don’t? Say goodbye to your livelihood and image, depending on where you live.

2. The unending levels of perversion. Girldick this, boy pussy that. Obsession with titties and how their mockery of a dick or vulva look; despite looking nothing like it, and not even something a crazed cannibal would even dare to touch.

3. The lies. They lie, all day long. They cover up truth, and feed each other lies in their hugboxes and never, disagree with each other. Didn’t like your transition? Don’t like your gaping front hole now? Sausage tube is giving you problems? You’re a bigot, have no right to complain and probably weren’t even twans to begin with.

4. Their identity is their shield. You can get away with just about anything so as long as you pretend to be a woman despite being a 300lbs man with shoulders as broad and long as a table in a castle dining room. They’re like invasive parasites that destroy everything they touch.

5. The kids, oh my God, the poor kids. The fascination and obsession with grooming them, wanting to have little boys strip in clubs with adults, telling little girls they must be boys because they like to play in dirt. Please get a rope, some millstone, and throw yourself into the nearest lake. Messing with kids is beyond evil.

6. Horrific experimentations that spit in the face of God, science and reality. The desire to install a natal penis on a woman, the desire to give a natal man a uterus. Do I have to explain how fucked up that is? Don’t get me started on lopping off tits, dicks and balls and causing a lifetime of problems for the idiots who hop on the table.

7. Trampling women’s rights and spaces for a LARP and for dick hardening purposes. Ladies are quickly becoming 2nd class citizens again, all because of a couple of dudes in blouses and makeup who insist they’re the real women and have been all along.

8. Never ending malignant degeneracy.

9. And lastly, being told that I need to accept someone who cannot even accept themselves. The idea that I have to go along with this shit, with this lunacy, while actual schizos don’t get the same treatment and get locked up (not saying they shouldn’t btw, they absolutely need psyche treatment: and so do trannies.)

All in all, I’m tired of seeing it everywhere, I’m tired of man trying to play God, and I wish that WWIII would come along already if it does so we can get onto shit that really makes a difference. Maybe if people in 1st world countries get a taste of shit that ACTUALLY matters and have a wake up call, we can go back to shaming these insane people back into hiding and stop playing their games.

*Edited for spelling/missing words. Point still stands though.

 

[Billy Bob Dick]

I guess it’s high time for me to tell my story. I’ll do it in bullet points but way back when, when I was a high schooler, I used to be fairly supportive of the left and was even convinced to join a left wing debate club. Needless to say, a lot of the stuff they said there began to clash with my pre-existing morals, and it was mainly about stuff that I didn’t know existed.

1. The absolute narcissistic behavior from transgender people. They demand that you perceive them as something that they are not, and well, if you don’t? Say goodbye to your livelihood and image, depending on where you live.

2. The unending levels of pervsion. Girldick this, boy pussy that. Obsession with titties and how their mockery of a dick or vulva look; despite looking nothing like something a crazed cannibal wouldn’t even dare to touch.

3. The lies. They lie, all day long. They cover up truth, and feed each other lies in their hugboxes and never, disagree with each other. Didn’t like your transition? Don’t like your gaping front hole now? Sausage tube is giving you problems? You’re a bigot, have no right to complain and probably weren’t even twans to begin with.

4. Their identity is their shield. You can get away with just about anything so as long as you pretend to be a woman despite being a 300lbs man with shoulders as broad and long as a table in a castle dining room. They’re like invasive parasites that destroy everything they touch.

5. The kids, oh my God, the poor kids. The fascination and obsession with grooming them, wanting to have little boys strip in clubs with adults, telling little girls they must be boys because they like to play in dirt. Please get a rope, some millstone, and throw yourself into the nearest lake. Messing with kids is beyond evil.

6. Horrific experimentations that spit in the face of God, science and reality. The desire to install a natal penis on a woman, the desire to give a natal man a uterus. Do I have to explain how fucked up that is? Don’t get me started on lopping off tits, dicks and balls and causing a lifetime of problem for the idiots who hop on the table.

7. Trampling women’s rights and spaces for a LARP and for dick hardening purposes. Ladies are quickly becoming 2nd class citizens again, all because of a couple of dudes in blouses and makeup who insist they’re the real women and have been all along.

8. Never ending malignant degeneracy.

9. And lastly, being told that I need to accept someone who cannot even accept themselves. The idea that I have to go along with this shit, with this lunacy, while actual schizos don’t get the same treatment and get locked up (not saying they should btw, they absolutely need psyche treatment: and so do trannies.)

All in all, I’m tired of seeing it everywhere, I’m tired of man trying to play God, and I wish the WWIII would come along already if it does so we can get onto shit that really matters. Maybe if people in 1st world countries get a taste of shit that ACTUALLY matters and have a wake up call, we can go back to shaming these insane people back into hiding and stop playing their games.

this^^^

 

[RussianBlonde]

I have always been for trans rights overall but it wasnt something I paid too much attention to, I always thought of trans people as individuals with gender dysphoria and thought "gender ideology" was a buzzword created by far right / religious fanatics. Until one day, being in bed a bit sick with a flu and bored (cant remember what led me to do this, I think the story of Shallon Fox, trans MMA fighter) I have decided to explore the details of JK Rowling anti trans twitter drama. I fell down the rabbit hole for hours discovering places like Ovarit, watching Germaine Greer explain AGP etc. I have emerged as team TERF all the way.

 

[Aero the Alcoholic Bat]

All in all, I’m tired of seeing it everywhere, I’m tired of man trying to play God, and I wish that WWIII would come along already if it does so we can get onto shit that really makes a difference. Maybe if people in 1st world countries get a taste of shit that ACTUALLY matters and have a wake up call, we can go back to shaming these insane people back into hiding and stop playing their games.

It's like I keep saying, troonism cannot exist anywhere else but in affluent, stable societies. The ability to troon out and not get laughed at is a privilege only the rich and spoiled can afford.

Anywhere else, you'd be too busy trying to survive to naval-gaze about nonsensical ideas like your "gender identity."

It's truly the irony of the century, that western leftists would support troonism so strongly. Leftists, those halfway consistent with their beliefs, would actually have a pretty damned good reason to hate troons: they hog resources that could go elsewhere, and they're a drain on society. Che Guvera actually hit the nail on its head when he said that hard, forced labor would cure them of their illness.

No matter where you are on the political spectrum, transphobia is a perfectly reasonable attitude to hold.

 

[Gramh]

So, for me I learned back in the AOL days chatting with old school trans people, that their whole deal was just getting by day to day like everyone else and they wouldn't throw a shitfit if you called them a man they were reasonable and cool people. Trans rights didn't seem like a problem, if you worked hard to pass you just pissed in a bathroom of your choice and went about your day not fucking up anyone else and not telling anyone else they should transition because to them transitioning was a huge ordeal of lining up a breast augment and facial feminization and voice training and hormones the whole thing. This was pretty respectable, you felt a way and lived your life that way and left everyone well enough alone.

Then I stop paying attention to it and all the sudden there's this nonbinary stupidity and people thinking you didn't need gender dysphoria to transition and that transition goals were whatever you wanted and even kids can do it and how dare you call me something else you bigot. From there it kept getting worse the more you'd dig into it. Gender is a social construct, but it's not a social construct you can choose to adhere to somehow, so if you don't give free big tits to people who might have just settled at being a fucked up crossdresser then you weren't giving trans people the right healthcare. Then you learn more about how the human brain works, and how easily people are inducted into existential crises over what social group they are a part of, how pervasive suicide is in mental illness, how much trans rights activists shriek if you suggest being trans is a mental illness that they would need to seek help for, and how transition isn't really helping anyone any more than just giving them a hug a little more often and it's all just a big fucking mess of people like Chris and Yaniv having stalwart defenders that they are poor victims of bigots and if you misgender a dude online that looks like a dude who calls himself a woman you've almost literally killed someone it's fucked.

 

[LinkinParkxNaruto[AMV]]

It's like I keep saying, troonism cannot exist anywhere else but in affluent, stable societies. The ability to troon out and not get laughed at is a privilege only the rich and spoiled can afford.

Anywhere else, you'd be too busy trying to survive to naval-gaze about nonsensical ideas like your "gender identity."

It's truly the irony of the century, that western leftists would support troonism so strongly. Leftists, those halfway consistent with their beliefs, would actually have a pretty damned good reason to hate troons: they hog resources that could go elsewhere, and they're a drain on society. Che Guvera actually hit the nail on its head when he said that hard, forced labor would cure them of their illness.

No matter where you are on the political spectrum, transphobia is a perfectly reasonable attitude to hold.

Its seems like a massive contradiction but then there's the Leninist theory of Vanguardism. All these trannies and sjws graduating from prestigious schools in developed countries see themselves as the revolutionary vanguard party who is enlightened and class conscious on behalf of the rest of society. Basically an oligarchyof professional agitators who is "liberating" the people with their advance optics even if the people don't want it, because in the vanguardist eyes normal people just haven't been illuminated properly yet to know what they should want so they need to be brought into the fold one way or the other from the top down.

 

[Greatest Gonger]

More than a few couples I know have at least one child going through a gender crisis. At some point I realized this was not just a social contagion of weirdos on discord servers, but that it was starting to emanate throughout normie culture, and that it was probably connected to deeper societal problems.

That was probably a couple years prior to the pandemic.