Off-Topic When did you hit peak trans and why? - Finally realized that trans activism and gender ideology are harmful.

[UselessRubberKeyboard]

I've been through this on a different thread, so I'll Tl:dr here:

The way the only trans I knew when a youngun' hanging out in gay clubs were old fat men who spent the whole night in the ladies' loos trying to strike up conversations with every female who went in

The guy who raped my girlfriend, who then left town for a few years, came back dressed up as a 'laydee', stood at the bar in what he knew was our favourite club, staring at my girlfriend and smirking, then, when she freaked out and shut herself in the ladies' loos, he followed her in and stood in front of the mirror singing and talking away to himself, just so she knew he was there. The staff of the place threw him out, much to his wailing. This was before the current troonpocalypse, though.

One of the 'sane' trannies I knew saying lesbians were transphobic because they wouldn't sleep with him.

And then seeing them simper their way into every woman-only space, take over in a day or so, and completely dominate it with tranny and pervert shit, leading to most women leaving and having nowhere women-only left to go.

It's the way they know and enjoy what they're doing that gets me. I've seen a few blokes getting held back by women from lamping the fuckers, back in the day. They'd be at the front of the queue to undertake the lamping now.

So really? Trans people made me hit peak trans. Same for most people in the world, I think. They truly are their own worst enemy.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

Desmond is Amazing.
Troon Story Hour.
Transchildren

No. This is the line I refuse to let them cross. It is unacceptable. And I am not alone.

 

[Positron]

I wonder how many will peak trans on 5 September.

 

[TokyoMeatballs]

Like most Americans I grew up being tolerant. I don't hate black people, I don't hate gay people, and for a long time I didn't hate trannies. America is all about tolerating the things we don't like, so on life went.

Around 2016 a guy who I had known as a guy for years, went off to "work" in Asia for a couple months. He came back a tranny, and was militant that we all referred to him as a she. Every time you would slip and call him by his male name he would get fucking livid. But I was a good American, so I played into his delusions. Female name, pronouns, etc. America is all about different people working together right?

Well, he mistook my kindness for affection. He asked me out, and I politely declined. A week later he asked again, I declined. Then, I started getting gift bombed. A video game I mentioned liking, he got me the night it came out as a gift. Then there is a new hoodie from my favorite company, wrapped up like a present sitting on my work desk. My favorite snacks and drinks were left on my desk all the time, with little "sweet" notes from my former male friend. I couldn't go anywhere without him trying to horn in and hang out, or without getting some weird gift. And every few weeks he'd try to ask me out again. He was basically going after me like incels go after women, and didn't understand why I wouldn't date the "girl" being so nice to me.

Eventually I took him aside before work and was like "You have to stop this. I don't want presents, I dont want to go on a date, chill the fuck out with this."
I get called into HR after this and get told that "Michelle" is very upset and has requested HR mediate our dispute. I tell them there is no dispute, "she" asked me out and I said no.

Then I get a whole diatribe about how hard it is to be a tranny, about how acceptance amongst peers is the biggest contributor to their mental health, and would it really be so bad if we went out. I basically had to sit their and be like "you can't make me date a coworker." HR mediator drops it at that point thankfully, I assume because they realized how insane it was.

He didn't stop though. He seemed to alternate between lovesick affection and suicidal anger. I'm no snitch, but I couldn't handle the constant text messages and notes and gift and lunches popping up on my desk. I complained to HR myself, and was basically told "We're not telling a transgender person to do anything in current year." That emboldened them, and when they started showing up at my house "just in the neighborhood, wanted to see if you wanted to hang out, etc" I couldn't take it. At one point I was getting 50+ text messages a day.

So I had to leave that job, which I loved, to get away from a tranny stalker. Changed my number, moved apartments, everything. And for weeks it still didn't stop. I finally called the police, showed them the hundreds of unanswered messages, and out of all people the police finally showed actual brains and told the tranny to knock it the fuck off. And thank Christ, I never heard from that thing again.

Since then, seeing what trannies do to themselves as teenager, what they do to children, what they've done to women and normal gay people who just want to date their gender and the seemingly endless parade of tranny child predators I just couldn't drink the fucking kool aid anymore. I'm still a shitlib with mostly left siding views, but I will never, ever budge on my opinion of tranny freaks.

 

[Heckler1]

For me its the crybullying. Dudes in dresses pretending they are oppressed so they have license to violate any societal norm they feel like, while having immense social power to silence anyone who speaks up. I hope that the whole "gender fluid" movement leads people to stop being transtrenders, and just go back to being tomboys and/or sissys. Its upsetting to see such wrongness upheld as goodness.

 

[Positron]

I get called into HR after this and get told that "Michelle" is very upset and has requested HR mediate our dispute. I tell them there is no dispute, "she" asked me out and I said no.

There are a million and one reasons why companies should NEVER hire even a single troon, but this is the Number One: trannies are coombrained incels who think the workplace as their prowling ground, and they abuse the privilege society for some reason grants to men in dresses.

 

[Big Green]

From the beginning troon logic has never really made sense to me. Don't we teach kids that it's what's on the inside that matters? So why is there such a need to permanently damage your body? There's nothing wrong with being a man who acts feminine. There's nothing wrong with being a woman who acts masculine. But if you cut off your tits or dick you are fucking insane. Of course nowadays there are a million more reasons on top of that to hate troons.

 

[Epoch]

After seeing the destruction they wrought upon the speedrunning community and GDQ, further cemented by the time I was at a convention at the speedrunning room and Protomagicalgirl was there. Being in the same room gave off the same feeling as when you are next to a mannequin, your body knows that the thing that looks human, isn't actually human.

 

[Clint's Burden]

I peak trans'd when I actually went through the steps to medically transition.

I won't powerlevel too much, but the first red flag was how easy it was to access the hormones. I was literally in a virtual visit for an interview that lasted less than 10 minutes, went into the clinic to do bloodwork a couple days later, then once the results came back went and got them. I had been considering this on and off for years before and done all this research beforehand and was always worried I'd have to go through psych evaluation and shit (which I fucking should have), but part of me imagines this was what scoring prescription drugs from doctors in the 90s was a lot like.

then a couple months in I realized that I was actually going through a psychotic breakdown (mainly the product of years of unchecked mental illness) and stopped taking them and instead focused on underlying, more serious mental health concerns. I prioritized those and took care of them and now I have absolutely no desire to transition. I've been on KiwiFarms before and after all of this, so it's been interesting (and at times ironic) reading all of the different opinions on the trans topic, especially with how antagonistic I've always been of the AGP/groomer ilk.

as of now, I'm sympathetic to some trans people, but overall I've become pretty TERFy. the "trans movement" as a whole has been a newer, predatory movement that is really going to not only fuck with a lot of mentally unstable people's lives, but really hurt women and their rights and privacy a lot more than help.

Ding ding ding.

I've seen patients with mental illness' go down this route and I've always said "Treat the underlying psychological issues, if the need for transition persists after that, it's your life to handle." People don't understand how deeply pained a lot of these people are and how much help they need. Even if they suffer from dysphoria, they go through that for years and years and disassociate, these people actually lose their fucking minds before they can treat their problem. They absolutely require coping tools and the ability to fix that before any transition, otherwise they end up like the post/pre-op people we see on here who are borderline schizoaffective or bipolar type II.

I'm glad you got help, regardless of what your outcome was for transitioning. That was a very responsible and brave thing to do, I commend you for it.

As for me, I saw this a long time ago. 10 years ago. A lot of my colleagues were skeptical about this, there wasn't enough research to validate the treatment. To be honest, proper treatment is still being worked out but we can't really work against the cultural zeitgeist and it's fixation on giving kids fucking hormones with endocrinologists and psychologists advising beforehand. We can't do anything about that, the best we can do is try to stop this and provide actual care.

 

[Dismal Futures]

I hit peak trans at the beginning of this year or thereabouts.

What got me wasn't any of the shit about grooming and such (although yeah it is an issue). But there's just an underlying logical problem with it that there's no getting passed.

What initially suckered me in to the troon shit was the difference between gender and sex. Okay, yeah, you can be a male, and that's rooted in biology. But surely being a "man" has more to do with social norms and such? So at that point I was fine with saying that a male can be a woman. After all, there's a difference between biology and our social norms, right?

Well, this is where the problems start. What exactly makes a male a woman? Is it all performative? Does looking, sounding, and acting like a woman make someone a woman? Well, that's obviously pretty sexist, and does it mean that less feminine females aren't women? No. No one thinks that. So right there it doesn't make sense. And even if a tranny did pass, would they stop being a woman when they get home, take off their clothes and makeup, and start looking more like a man? If they don't revert back to being a man when they start to look more like one, then why? Do they stop being women if there's no one there to perceive them as women?

If it's not performative, is it self-identity? I'm a woman because I identify as one? Well, that's completely circular. A chair isn't a chair because it's been identified as a chair. It's a chair because it can be consistently described . Circular definitions are false by their very nature. For example -- a man who thinks of himself as a woman but still presents himself as a man. The term becomes totally meaningless. If it all comes down to self-identity, then you can live your life as a man, with everyone you encounter thinking of you as a man. But since it's self-identity, you can still be a woman, according to troon logic.

You can see why assenting to trannies generates all these complicated logical problems that you ultimately cannot resolve. I hit peak trans not because I was disgusted, or even because I was looking out at the world and seeing faggots like Lucas. I just realized past a certain point that there's no way to make it make sense.

 

[getbackjojo]

it was the botched surgeries and the misogynistic rape threats against lesbians that pushed me over the edge. the whole thing is just a bunch of hypocritical paradoxical bullshit. they change definitions of anything to suit whatever they are doing, and make excuses for anyone in that circle. at one time i didn’t even care about them at all. now when i see anything about them i burn with rage.

 

[Spatula]

I've been fortunate to be born in the sanest part of Europe.

 

[DrNow]

I understand that there are men who feel more comfortable in their own skin presenting themselves in a feminine manner. These people have always existed, and will always exist. I have basically no opinion on them. And whilst they should not be able to impose on women or their spaces, they are a section of society all the same. Just a poorly managed section of society which has been given obscenely disproportionate influence over popular consciousness and is currently excitedly running with it.

Prior to being politically weaponised and turned into a sacred cow, they were barely even background noise. In light of the Keffals being taken up as a sledgehammer by the Cathedral, to be swung at any problematic conversation, there is inevitably going to be a kind of 'radicalization', I can see otherwise reasonable and cool headed people lashing out at smug troons in a way they wouldn't have before. I think this represents a double victory for these people, it allows them to cultivate the impression of victimhood as they wage a censorship war on their critics. It'd be so easy to hate them, given the hateful manner in which they have behaved.

It's early days, but we may see some transgenders come out against Keffals which will sour things somewhat. We've already seen the rot of intersectionalism begin to grow in their recent censorship campaign, with Eliot accusing Keffals of white privilege. If you're feeling like Keffals has got you reaching peak trans, try to take solace that theirs is a movement that routinely devours its own and is sustained entirely by institutional support rather than truth or reason.

 

[snake aids]

I started realising how ridiculous the whole troon shit was in about.. 2019. Then I got sucked back into thinking it was normal or even a good thing. My ex trooning out and leaving me for someone underage is really what pushed me over the edge, as well as other in real life encounters with troons. TLDR; hit peak trans early this year thanks to my ex and other insane people.

 

[lindor]

I was 19, out as bi with family unhappy about it, had my first girlfriend, moved out of home and was at uni. Met another woman on my course with a girlfriend. Made friends. Shared all this info about my life with her. Some of the stuff she talked about was weird (how great is it that our girlfriends are women so we can have sex in changing room was one convo?! She told me of a shop in the city where it was easy to do this?! I was newly out and v confused at this) Met her girlfriend. Huge man. Giant man.

Was fed the whole line that huge man was at risk of death. Was momentarily worried that there were some gang of serial killers in this city I'd grown up in. Asked questions. Was not allowed answers. Went online to ask questions. "Terfs" were the only one answering with sense. Became quite involved online, not giving much more detail. Not as involved online now as I was just due to being an adult with a real job now.

Woman from uni dumped boyfriend in fishnets for a different boyfriend in fishnets. They came to a housewarming at mine (once again, she said new girlfriend, I thought "what are the chances" but I miscalculated.) and tried to get me to use they pronouns for my hamster. I have not spoken since.

Its been many years and I've learned increasingly horrific things. I think I've dodged many bullets in my time.

 

[Norbert the Tiger]

Just when I think my hatred and aversion to transgenders reaches its peak, it gets just that much more intense. What has happened over the past weekend is outrageous. And it is shocking that a creature as disgusting as Keffals would be persuasive to anyone, even the scummy corporate press.

They won't stop here. Who is next, Matt Walsh? Some of the main agitators on twitter have named something callef mumsnet. I checked it out, it is an innocuous British parenting board.

 

[AnOminous]

They won't stop here. Who is next, Matt Walsh? Some of the main agitators on twitter have named something callef mumsnet. I checked it out, it is an innocuous British parenting board.

It isn't a degenerate pervert board, that's literally what they hate about it. There is nothing troons loathe more than women, and no kind of women they loathe more than mothers, largely because mothers are the starkest reminder of what they'll never be, no matter how loudly they shriek and how many surgeries they get to turn into a pathetic, freakish travesty of nature.

 

[Bubble Ba'ath]

I complained to HR myself, and was basically told "We're not telling a transgender person to do anything in current year." That emboldened them, and when they started showing up at my house "just in the neighborhood, wanted to see if you wanted to hang out, etc" I couldn't take it. At one point I was getting 50+ text messages a day.

Basically this sketch come to life in the most literal way possible. I'm sorry you had to go through that. I had a stalker in college (regular woman not a troon in my case) and its one of the most debilitating things that can happen in a professional or campus setting.

 

[Allanon]

Homosexuals will hit on you and flirt with you when you're not interested, but this is not a unique experience, as heterosexuals will do so as well. If we omit pedophiles - which again are present in both - then they're not particularly infringing on anything or anyone not also participating. Gay rights activism can get obnoxious, but it is almost always 'allow us to pretend reality differs from what it actually is'. Trans reaches beyond the furthest heights of homosexual by going from the very beginning 'you must actively participate in our fantasy'. Every single element of 'trans rights' is predicated on the total control of the world around them, instead of themselves. They cannot be happy simply pretending to be a woman, man, or unicorn. They must force you to pretend they are one, and will threaten self immolation at every step of the way to do so. Gay people may intentionally flirt with a straight person in the hope of 'conquering' them, but trans people will demand 'if you ever turn down a trans person no matter their gender or your orientation, you are as good as killing them'.

Realizing that the modern view of trans rights is essentially 'you must do literally everything I say at all times and I can do anything at all that I want no matter what it is, or I'll kill myself and blame you' is just realizing it's abusive behavior that shouldn't be tolerated in polite society.

 

[MagmaStalker]

The first time I saw Landon Hiscock's stink ditch I literally threw up in my mouth.

What ever happened to the days where the mentally ill wanted to at least pass for being human? I knew several trannies growing up and you could tell they were a dude because they always looked way more put together than actual women. Never seen without perfect clothes and makeup and all that shit. Now, you just basically say you are a woman and you have a license to call humans racist bigot homophobe xenophobe xylophone donald trump hitler patch adams or whatever the fuck else made up degenerate bullshit.

Also, tranny, I don't want to fuck you just because you have a dick. I don't want to fuck you because of your hideous personality and I don't even want to be around you, let alone fuck you.