Off-Topic When did you hit peak trans and why? - Finally realized that trans activism and gender ideology are harmful.

[Activelo]

I was peak transed long ago, but I don't know where else to talk about this. I just read As Nature Made Him for the first time, a non-fiction chronicle primarily about John Money and David Reimer. I probably don't have to tell KFers this, but John Money was the founder of modern gender theory/trans everything. David Reimer was a twin with a botched circumcision that John Money wanted to use to prove his theory that gender was purely socially constructed. (And before circumcision spergs start going off, David Reimer had infant phimosis. It was a medically necessary circumcision performed well after his birth.)

Spoiler

I'd heard some fairly disturbing things about John Money, but I thought he was just a crank. He was no crank. He was a fucking demon wearing human flesh.

John Money had several things wrong with him. First, he hated men. He suggested (probably not seriously, but still) that baby boys should be castrated at birth to tame their wild urges. Second, he was utterly convinced of his own intellectual superiority. He would bully and intimidate any researcher that disagreed with him. He would act like a total shithead to his staff, just because he could. But if he wanted something from you, he would charm and subtly pressure you until you gave in.

Third, he was an actual fucking pedophile. Now I know Null doesn't like that accusation being tossed around lightly, so here's the proof. He publicly stated that a consensual relationship between a 12 year old and a 30 year old was totally fine. John Money would separate the Reimer twins from their parents as part of their therapy sessions. In private, he would force them to strip and hump each other. He said this was because of an experience with an African (I think?) tribe where he saw children doing that sort of thing, and observed that the tribe was mentally healthy with no neuroses such as homosexuality. Only problem is, that was bullshit. Experts in that tribe said no such behavior is commonplace, and they had sexual neuroses at about the same rate as everybody else.

Not directly pedophilia related, but Money himself probably participated in (adult) polyamory and orgies. He believed that if people would just get over their sexual hangups (like not fucking children) everything would be totally fine in the world.

David Reimer had his dysfunctional schlong cut off and was raised as a girl and not told about the botched circumcision. He constantly rebelled against his imposed gender. John Money simply lied about this in his publications, saying that David comfortably identified as Brenda. When he wasn't lying, he would pressure David in his therapy sessions, questioning over and over with increasing insistence until David gave the "right" answer. Several of David's other doctors thought maybe David should be told about his history, but either deferred to Money's expertise (not completely unreasonable at the time) or were straight up afraid of him.

But it didn't hold. David gravitated toward boy activities. He fought, he played war, he wore male clothes. His parents, doing their best to follow medical advice, pushed back against this. David was miserable, and terrified of Money, eventually just refusing to ever visit him again. After this refusal, Money hornswaggled the parents into letting him visit and stay at their house. Fortunately it was without incident, and the last time the twins ever saw him.

After it became clear that Money's theories were just making everything worse, eventually David's parents broke down and told him the truth, and for a while, his life did actually end up improving.

It's well known that both Reimer twins killed themselves. In all honesty I don't think this was DIRECTLY because of John Money, it was more a result of tragedies in their personal lives as adults. But John Money made a major contribution, and it's not unreasonable to think they would have survived otherwise.

As for Money? Well, when it turned out that his own experiments categorically disproved his theories, he quietly buried the whole thing and went right on preaching his theories, claiming that his haters were just jelly.

Read this fucking book. I cracked through it in 5 hours and I have never hated a human being more than I hate John Money right now.

Can't find the links since it was a while ago, but I've seen people on Twitter acknowledge what John Money did and yet support transgenderism anyways, some even trying to argue that David experienced dysphoria like other trans people. Fuck off with that.

 

[Aero the Alcoholic Bat]

Can't find the links since it was a while ago, but I've seen people on Twitter acknowledge what John Money did and yet support transgenderism anyways, some even trying to argue that David experienced dysphoria like other trans people. Fuck off with that.

Others claim that Dr Money disproved the notion that "gender identity" is fluid, since Money tried and failed to condition David into becoming a girl mentally.

 

[AnOminous]

Can't find the links since it was a while ago, but I've seen people on Twitter acknowledge what John Money did and yet support transgenderism anyways, some even trying to argue that David experienced dysphoria like other trans people. Fuck off with that.

Well he certainly experienced dysphoria after that quack CUT HIS FUCKING DICK OFF.

 

[Procrastinhater]

When the historians look back at the 20th Century people like John Money with be regarded the same as Mengele, Shiro Ishii (Unit 731) and other evil psychopaths that used their medical qualifications to satisfy their own sick urges and compulsions.

 

[Zaxamus]

I’m gonna sperg for a minute - sperg to the extreme. I’m a gay progressive from NY. That sentence right there should say a lot. I came out almost 13 years ago. I saw where the LGBT community used to be, what it started to become, and where it is today.

Nothing, absolutely NOTHING, has black pilled me more about this shit, than the situation with the Farms. I was always a lurker and never really posted until the Keffals situation started up. I was a supporter of troons until I saw them use my former LGBT community’s bully pulpit to attack a gossip website. I was a supporter of the left until I watched the systematic downfall of free speech, using the institutions I trusted. I thought “fake news” was a conspiracy theory until I saw them patting themselves on the back, reporting lies and using that to create more articles to spread more lies. My whole world and everything I have believed in was literally shat on and blown up in my face, by my own “side.”

I no longer identify with the LGBT community. I am still a gay man, obviously, but not a community member. I no longer respect troons and their depraved, sex pest, bullshit. They are all sick and need help, but I’m done with the capitulation. I am still progressive but no longer identify with leftists or their bullshit discourse. They are all hypocrites and don’t know up from down.

I’m just fucking done. I don’t know where to go from here, but I have learned a valuable lesson. I will pick up the pieces and move on. They have created an enemy from the inside. People like me who know how they work and why they do what they do, are the most dangerous. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.

God save the Farms!

From another thread. I’m going through my peaks trans moment right now, due to the current situation with the Farms. I can’t play their game anymore, in good conscience. All of this shit is insane.

 

[ZsaZsaBinks]

My peaking was seeing TIFs get pregnant and call themselves “pregnant men” and then lying to their children about who they really are.

 

[Airbrushed Van Art]

That a school board was okay with a trans person wearing ludicrously large fake breasts in front of students. While likely giving girls hell for wearing certain clothes because they’re “distracting”.

Wow maybe societal misogyny is real after all.

 

[Shek$il]

That a school board was okay with a trans person wearing ludicrously large fake breasts in front of students. While likely giving girls hell for wearing certain clothes because they’re “distracting”.

Wow maybe societal misogyny is real after all.

Because the tranny is equivalent to a clown. The students know the tits are fake and it's a man. The schoolboard knows the tits are fake and it's a man. He knows his tits are fake and he's a man. That's why trannies get the societal protection of "parody" and/or "free speech".

In all ways everyone recognizes trannies as performance artists, with the exception of being acceptable to say it.

 

[George Floyd]

Others claim that Dr Money disproved the notion that "gender identity" is fluid, since Money tried and failed to condition David into becoming a girl mentally.

This is a retarded argument, trans freaks are abominations not because some child molester tried and failed to do an experiment in the 20th century.

 

[Aero the Alcoholic Bat]

In all ways everyone recognizes trannies as performance artists, with the exception of being acceptable to say it.

Not to mention not being allowed to laugh at the "serious" parts, not being allowed to criticize it, not being allowed to boo/hiss or throw tomatoes at them when they stop being entertaining.

 

[HarblMcDavid]

I think I probably hit peak trans when I realized that the support groups popping up everywhere were more like unhealthy mental illness amplification groups, but I'm not sure exactly when that was. It was after 2016 for sure, but not exactly sure when because it wasn't a sudden realization, it was a creeping, ooozing, drawn out process as it slowly (we're talking a year or so) became undisputed that there was basically no redeeming aspects to trans activism and it was clearly preying on dumpy depressed people by providing them an "easy answer" which permanently ruins lives.

That was the peak, but the peak I would probably still have slid down the other side of if the community had gotten its shit together, dialed things back, and stopped predating on ill people as years passed. Rainbows, I know, but do try to give people the benefit of the doubt.

It was from the peak I observed Yaniv, and it was Yaniv that convinced me "nah, build the igloo bunker we're digging in."

He just kept giving me excuses to add additional layers of snow-bricks until he finally convinced me to permanently revoke benefit of the doubt for trannies in general until proven otherwise by actions right around the time the servers got yanked from the damn wall.

 

[Ewan McGregor]

I never thought too much about trans, which is the same as to say that I was happy with what I was told about it.

Well, this is not entirely true, there was a particular moment in my life where I felt really gaslighted about this issue. But going in detail would be hard power leveling.

But my "Bruh" moment was South Park "Mr Garrison's Fancy New Vagina". Absolutely brutal episode.

"I firmly believe that the best way to make people understand that this is a perfectly natural thing", and then you are shown a real life gender reassignment surgery and explained the procedures. Couldn't last 2 minutes, I felt really physically ill.

 

[AnOminous]

It was from the peak I observed Yaniv, and it was Yaniv that convinced me "nah, build the igloo bunker we're digging in."

It isn't even just that there is a Yaniv. Every community has a disgrace like that, probably more than one. It's how they circle the wagons for even the most disgusting pedophiles and predators. That's unforgivable.

 

[HarblMcDavid]

It isn't even just that there is a Yaniv. Every community has a disgrace like that, probably more than one. It's how they circle the wagons for even the most disgusting pedophiles and predators. That's unforgivable.

Fair and correct.

I wasn't sure if that was worth spelling out since without all the bizarre collusion over him being a creepy weirdo I doubt anyone outside of BC and some women's facebook groups would know his name, nor I suspect would he have the current raft of asshole "accomplishments" currently attributed to him; I get the impression from his comparative lack of recent behavior (as opposed to past behavior now catching up with him) that once he stops being treated like a person worth listening to he loses the confidence to really go whole hog the way he did not all that long ago.

 

[KiwiFuzz]

Fair and correct.

I wasn't sure if that was worth spelling out since without all the bizarre collusion over him being a creepy weirdo I doubt anyone outside of BC and some women's facebook groups would know his name, nor I suspect would he have the current raft of asshole "accomplishments" currently attributed to him; I get the impression from his comparative lack of recent behavior (as opposed to past behavior now catching up with him) that once he stops being treated like a person worth listening to he loses the confidence to really go whole hog the way he did not all that long ago.

I dunno, running for student council and then suing a bunch of students in the student elections office with Asian names who are probably damn near half your age is pretty good #content.

ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED?

 

[Super Cress]

I'm still in the process of peaking but #dropkiwifarms and things getting taken too far are about to get me there. Interference with female spaces is at the root of most of it despite this site not being uber autistic girl farms or anything, but i do prefer it over those.

Not only did they mess with my ability to gossip and keep up with my favorite cows, but they've also taken over women's sports and are invading women's bathrooms for their own advantage and sick enjoyment.

I don't consider myself to be overly feminist and have been accepting as a queer who has known my share of gender special types intimately, but recent events have really started pushing me in the other direction.

The demands that gay men and lesbian women be genital blind or face being called a bigot disgusts me, as do people that feel like it's not necessary to reveal that status to potential sexual partners. Being able to get away with a variety of things that would typically be considered unacceptable behavior but no one can say anything or risk being labeled as transphobic pisses me off beyond means.

Sorry for the autistic rant. Just got access back to my account and been needing to let that out and I can't anywhere else.

 

[Kiwi Fairy With Bow]

I once believed all trans were TIMS and they were all just HSTS. While I never truly sipped the Troon Juice of, "they are 100% women", I did believe in simply, "calling people what they want to be called". The only troons I have seen in real life were black gay men, or black gay men fresh out of jail, clearly mentally ill and wanting to be called "she". I avoided them and knew it was odd.
However, on tv at the time, all the troons were HSTS, drag queen heavily made up men who *tried* to like somewhat "female". They seemed "Harmless" to me.
Then I found Lolcow. At first I rejected anything that questioned troons, I was like, "Wow thats fucked up" when i saw other women making fun of TIMs. Then, I learned about Chris Chan, then I learned about the "Cotton Ceiling".

Then I found Kiwifarms and once I realized every troon wasn't a harmless gay dude, wanting to be called "she/her". I learned some genuinely felt they were owed sex, I learned how they preyed on Lesbians. I learned how some HSTS were in fact , NOT being haunted for sport and dropping dead by the minute. I learned what a neo-vagina really was and what a "Chaser" was.
The last straw was Trans Children and Jazz Jennings. That was when I reached a level I no longer could go back from.
However, If you would believe it, I peaked more.
#DropKiwiFarms did it for me. When Keffals posted Josh's mother, as cringe as it sounded it made me very MATI. I've watched Josh's streams for years, even when I didn't visit the site, I'd always watch the streams.

Even If I don't agree with everything Josh says or all his views, I really did enjoy the wacky idea of a weekly recap of Lolcows and Josh isn't so bad. Watching multiple grown men in dresses throw fits. Lying, bringing in Josh's mother, calling up wives for "Girl Talks", the fake, "kiwi farms has killed!" stuff. It genuinely bothered me seeing women loosely connected to the site being harassed.
People don't think for themselves, which is why no matter what I'll always support and defend spaces like Kiwifarms & Lolcow. Especially because there's very few spaces for women in paticular to speak on certain topics, in the fashion we want.
The fact that men in dresses would want me dead, because I want to shit post on a fucking website, and talk about dumb shit. That they want me to call myself a "Cis" woman. That I have to look at a motherfucker who looks like Kanye West in a dress and call him, "She/her" and believe that shit is insane.
A rapist violent male, could be put in a female prison because he's now "Janet" instead of "James" and grew his hair out. I hate it all.
I want nothing to do with it and it's very annoying. I didn't realize how much these online spaces meant to me, until they were in danger of being taken away. By fucking ugly disgusting freaks like Keffals and "Consent Accidenters" like Dong Gone. I just want to talk shit online and touch grass. They don't want us to have any fucking thing.

 

[Strangolapreti]

I am not 100% against trans people, got a few trans friends that are nice people
my problem with many trans people is that they act as special snowflakes, reacting to anything you say as its taking a position against them and their gender identity, which is just plain childish and offensive.
I am heavily against the idea of prescribing HRT and puberty blockers to minors, they are meds that drammatically change your life and should be at the very least reserved to people of the age of 18+ and rare cases suffering specific physical pathologies that do requires the assumption of said medicines.
Parents of trans children that were originally just having troubles facing the changes of puberty have failed their job as parents.
Some trans people went to the point of calling "herm" and "futanari" transphobic slurs, further proving they failed the basic of biology and demonizing a word that has been part of internet for decades..
As a student of genetics, I am allowed to say that gender is indicated by allosomes and if you want me to call you a "she" or "he", you need to deserve it first by ot being a piece of shit subhuman.
John money would've been proud of people promoting pedophilia and zoophilia as genders, making those shouting gender spectrum bullshit and shunning those two groups hypocrites (and so still on their same level)

 

[A Grey Cat]

My peaking was seeing TIFs get pregnant and call themselves “pregnant men” and then lying to their children about who they really are.

Here here, the day I saw a hideous seahorse dad sporting a full beard and flat double mastectomy scarred chest next to his "wife's a tattooed sheave in a sailor moon outfit was the day I realized...maybe speaking German in America wasn't as bad as fdr said it would be.

 

[realitysurf]

Although I already didn't like them, I never had a solid argument against the transitions besides morality and disgust. When I began to analyze it from an endocrinological aspect, I realized how understanding endocrinology can allow me to analyze the problems with transitions, and maybe the reason troons kill themselves so much. (Also, is there a major disparity between the amount of FtM and MtF suicides? I'd expect the FtM to be on the lower side because they're on exogenous testosterone.) I really realized that analysis of female birth control symptoms and the compounds utilized by both female birth control and troons, could be used to see issues with transitioning and maybe a reason for why trannies are so fat and ugly.

Also anyone who uses exogenous steroids is a faggot in my book because noble natty influencers like Natural Hypertrophy said so.

To understand my argument you first have to understand the mechanism by which female birth control works. Birth control functions through the usage of synthetic progestins (nandrolone analogs). The most common birth control prescribed is called Levonorgesterol, also known as 17α-Ethynyl-18-methyl-19nortestosterone. 19nortestosterone is a nandrolone analog (synthetic progestin also utilized by troons), and is the most suppressive fucking compound out there. Like deploying this shit will shut you down permanently without proper care taken. The relevance of this is that synthetic progestins like 19nortestosterone are used by transgenders as testosterone blockers, along with drugs like Finasteride and Lupron, which function as a 5α-reductase inhibitor and LH blocker respectively. I'd beckon that both would have similar effects on a teenager going through puberty but Finasteride moreso as 5α-reductase inhibitors prevent the steroidogenesis pathway of testosterone to dihydrotestosterone which is essential for bone density development, but Lupron has obviously been shown to cause issues in bone density due to the fact it basically stops the production of testosterone as it impairs LH. Discussing these puberty blockers is important because it ties in directly to the birth control example, as both function in similar ways- they suppress testosterone production and delete the hormonal baseline. Now, transgenders will consider a MtF getting to borderline hypogonadal levels of testosterone a good thing, but when a real woman reaches these levels they face a LOT of symptoms as a deleterious effect from the 19-nortestosterone.
The root cause of all these issues are the synthetic progestins being used to manipulate the testosterone levels of females in order to induce infertility, and because mental health is harmed significantly due to lack of testosterone. (I also found a PubMed study linking low testosterone levels in men to depression and anxiety, but this isn't the hypogonadal levels of a transgender)

Now, by linking the side effects of birth control to transgenders, as they function with the same mechanism, it's an educated guess to assume that these issues of both physical and mental would be extremely present in transgenders, and are a downstream deleterious effect of having testosterone levels in the fucking toilet.
It's also safe to assume that affirming care does not have the mental health efficacy that the media claims it does, as low testosterone levels are linked to mental health issues.