Off-Topic When did you hit peak trans and why? - Finally realized that trans activism and gender ideology are harmful.

I don’t know WTF you’re on about transgenderism is damn near 100% the realm of spicy straights and heterosexual perverts. Forcing kink shit into the mainstream was all heterosexuals too.
Gay men can be really gross. Especially about forcing kink into the mainstream. Just look at all the bare arses and leather puppies on leads at pride events. Like the AGP tranny half the enjoyment seems to be forcing everyone else to observe your fetish and thus become unwilling participants. We know its just standard male pervs, they know we know, and they also know they can depend on the culture of tolerance and #bekind to sheild them from being called out.

A lot of men see something good like society being more permissive to sexual minorities and just see it as something to exploit. They will ruin anything for real minorities (or women) because they're basically entitled coomers.

ETA: Bring back shame. We should be able to keep the obvious degenerate coomers, even the ones in a wig and a dress, behind their own bedroom doors.
I think the main problem is we've been groomed as a society into not accepting nuance. It's accept everyone and everything - because we must be tolerant of sexual minorities. Youre either tolerant or a bigot. No debate. When in reality its not beyond the ability of the average person to recognise the difference between a benign sexual minority just existing and a degenerate coomer abusing their privilege.
 
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Gay men can be really gross. Especially about forcing kink into the mainstream. Just look at all the bare arses and leather puppies on leads at pride events. Like the AGP tranny half the enjoyment seems to be forcing everyone else to observe your fetish and thus become unwilling participants. We know its just standard male pervs, they know we know, and they also know they can depend on the culture of tolerance and #bekind to sheild them from being called out.

Gay men have always been gross but they were a culture of being gross by and for themselves and straight people were not welcomed nor encouraged to participate.

It wasn’t until straight couples discovered BDSM that this stuff got forced into the mainstream. Actual gay people at pride are usually far outnumbered by poly straight couples into bondage. Pride is usually cringe as fuck to gays.
 
Gay men have always been gross but they were a culture of being gross by and for themselves and straight people were not welcomed nor encouraged to participate.
As a gay friend of mine so eloquently put it: gay men are gross because they're men who don't have to concern themselves with female approval. Women are the control rods to male libido. Remove them and men go nuclear.
 
When they started to try to recruit prepubescent children and politicians like Justin Trudeau went after parents that wanted to prevent their children transitioning.
Powerleveling a little bit but when I was 11 I wondered what if I was born a girl as a thought experiment. I even crossdressed once wearing my mother's clothes with these bundled up socks as fake boobs on a day when my parents were not home. I eventually told my parents about this. This was before the push for trans everything 24/7 and my parents were not insane enough to go "this boy is showing signs that he's a girl let's do surgery and get him on drugs".
Years later all I can say is thank god I didn't became a tranny. But all those children now being tricked into being trans now is utterly horrifying.
 
In Virginia apparently there's some kind of bill being proposed that would make "not letting your kid transition" legally considered child abuse.

So Rome, your parents could have been investigated by CPS for not giving you titty skittles and calling you Romia and buying you dresses!

Can someone tell me if there's any LONG TERM data about the safety of "puberty blockers," because people are swearing that it's no more harmful than a chocolate chip cookie and that letting your kid go through Wrong Gender Puberty is like literally murdering your kid by pulling its guts out through its butthole.

Let's not have legislation that legally mandates parents to feed their kid sterilizing drugs, or drugs that we don't know the long term effects of.
Before someone makes a comparison to a vaccine, "most likely won't end up on a ventilator" is a lot different purpose than "muh genders"
 
Can someone tell me if there's any LONG TERM data about the safety of "puberty blockers," because people are swearing that it's no more harmful than a chocolate chip cookie and that letting your kid go through Wrong Gender Puberty is like literally murdering your kid by pulling its guts out through its butthole.
This was one of the things that re-peak trans'd me. Did you know, that giving a child Lupron for gender problems means no side effects? Not that the side effects are worth it, the talking point is that Lupron magically doesn't fuck people up any more. Amazing!

Someone should tell the Lupron Victims. (Lots of links from there.)
 
This was one of the things that re-peak trans'd me. Did you know, that giving a child Lupron for gender problems means no side effects? Not that the side effects are worth it, the talking point is that Lupron magically doesn't fuck people up any more. Amazing!

Someone should tell the Lupron Victims. (Lots of links from there.)
Magic gender woo-woo, I mean "science," completely eliminates the side effects everyone else who has ever taken these drugs have had.
 
I never really bought into the whole trans acceptance thing, even when I was a teenager on websites like tumblr - it always seemed a little dystopian to me, but having 'trans rights' rammed down my throat literally everywhere definitely stopped me from actively seeking out those who were critical of it all.

I think what finally tipped me over the edge was seeing the overwhelming amount of girls be swept up into this ideology and shipped off to gender dysphoria counselling, without even a thought being given to what else could be causing their feelings - I knew a lot of girls who went through a lot of shit and clearly had trauma, but were convinced by the internet and 'professionals' that the cure was to transition into a male and rid themselves of their old identity. I'm sure it's the same for young boys who may present in a less masculine way, but I'm just speaking on what I personally saw happening.

Hearing stories from de-transitioned individuals, too. Pretty horrifying stuff.
 
Magic gender woo-woo, I mean "science," completely eliminates the side effects everyone else who has ever taken these drugs have had.
More and more I think I might be some kind of autist, because they make these statements contrary to fact and I can't get past it. All they'd have to say is "yeah, your kid will be dumber and have bones like a Chick-o-Stick, but if you don't dose them they'll kill themselves," but now they're just vetoing objective reality, and raising doubts is criminalized.

I'm just a dumb non-penis woman, but isn't that, like, basically Lysenkoism, or what Mao did with TCM? What happened to all the "I love science?"

Anyway, lived experience:
Lupron Side Effects (adults) at The Patient Story / archive 1665950960364.png
 
I'm just a dumb non-penis woman, but isn't that, like, basically Lysenkoism, or what Mao did with TCM? What happened to all the "I love science?"
People always learn about these things and then relegate them to the back of their memory because these things only happen in other places, right?

It can't happen here. Right?
 
My dear sweet boomer mother was recently peak transed.

About 6 months ago, she mentioned (I think just as a novelty) that they recently got a person of trans where she works. There was a pronoun seminar, etc. Mom's attitude at that point was "none of my business, they aren't bothering anybody". I basically told her (in different words) that when/if that changes, let me know, I'll bring over the red pills. Now, I don't know what happened to this person, that wasn't the peak trans part. This is just to establish where she was at before.

About a week ago my mom said to me out of nowhere "what do you think about those trans people who go to women's sporting events?" (I think it was about Lia Thomas, I forgot to ask.) I gave her a high level, boomer safe overview of failed men trooning out for sports, autogynophelia, locker room invasions, John Money, and etc. Her final response was an exasperated "I just don't understand it..."

We're breaking the conditioning.
 
the thing that gets me the most as of late is how so many trans people and trans advocates will preach about the important of mental health while also shaming and harassing other trans people who have had negative experiences with their transition or just outright regret it. its so cult like and just goes to show you how little these people think of others.

it just bothers me that there are so many people who might have or do have very serious mental illnesses and they are being taken advantage of by people who think that just because they did something and it worked for them it means it must work for everyone 100 percent of the time.
 
I think what really disillusioned me from the transgender movement is the disturbing need to go after children. In the beginning I was a teen & I believed that all people shared the same good nature I had. So I felt there was no reason why trans folks couldn’t live as their “true selves”. They all say that someone is born as they are & should be allowed go be themselves, but 9/10 “trans children” are influenced into being so. What really makes me sick to my stomach is the whole “drag kids” situation, and the pages displaying their physical characteristics. You’d think that if you’re booking an act, you’d want their qualifications & skills but no. They display these kids’ ad pages the same way onlyfans/prostitutes/strippers do & I just hope that someone in their lives is protecting them from abuse (:_(
 
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Oh boy. Long rant here with some powerleveling.

For starters, I never believed troons were ever women. Even when I was a run of the mill liberal supporting trans people for clout, deep down I never believed it because how could you? With the manly proportions, voice, adam's apple etc, even a toddler could tell you this isn't a woman. Hormones and expensive surgeries can only get you so far and most troons can't afford the latter. I encountered just one trans person IRL in my place of work and they were quite frankly the most useless entitled piece of shit in existence who clearly got the job because of a diversity hire.

You couldn't do any form of Irish banter or slagging with them without them getting offended which is either because they were an American or a troon but I think it was the latter. He complained to HR about four different people and one got a verbal warning for some joke they made. I was made sit beside the ugly creature at one point and I felt like I was walking on eggshells around it. Being the useless bastard he was, I had to spend half the time helping him. While the managers were grilling us on our stats all the time, I don't recall a single instance of them doing the same with the troon and they think were the privileged ones. Eventually they had no choice but to fire the troon because he was a no show to work for weeks. He then went on his facebook writing a long post about how discriminatory the company was which received 200+ or so likes. I'd happily show you the post if he didn't nuke his account years ago. Probably joined the 41% for all I care.

Looking back on my childhood, in a similar vein to what @Legoshi said, I wasn't in to a lot of boy things. I'd rather play tag or skipping with what was mostly girls than play football (soccer) with the boys. My principal noticed this and told my parents who forcefully enrolled me in the local GAA club which I hated. I also enjoyed Powerpuff girls and Kim Possible as much as the "boy shows" which my brother mocked me for. Once I hit my mid teens, I was only really into masculine shit. I played rugby and its my favourite sport to watch today which shows it wasn't sports I disliked, just soccer and GAA. Woodwork and Engineering were my favourite subjects in secondary school and for fun on the weekends, I just go out for pints with the boys like any other Irish lad. If I was a kid today, instead of my principle telling my parents to enroll me in a GAA club, he'd probably tell them I have gender dysphoria and to see someone about it. The logical middle ground is to just let a little boy play what he wants but we don't live in a sane world.
 
The logical middle ground is to just let a little boy play what he wants but we don't live in a sane world.
This is it. Instead of tying everything to "gender expression," we should just let children explore their interests without gendering everything.
 
Okay, call me an idiot. Some mother on the autismo community I'm on has just posted, "My thirteen year old daughter is now a son and he's suicidal!" I told her to check her child's internet history and interactions with predatory adults online, and to ask her if she's been molested or sexually assaulted. Five minutes later: "yOU'rE tWAnsPHobIC!1!!"

Who wants to make a bet I'm going to be kicked out of the group?
 
Okay, call me an idiot. Some mother on the autismo community I'm on has just posted, "My thirteen year old daughter is now a son and he's suicidal!" I told her to check her child's internet history and interactions with predatory adults online, and to ask her if she's been molested or sexually assaulted. Five minutes later: "yOU'rE tWAnsPHobIC!1!!"

Who wants to make a bet I'm going to be kicked out of the group?
She obviously came there to fish for attention
 
I was peak transed long ago, but I don't know where else to talk about this. I just read As Nature Made Him for the first time, a non-fiction chronicle primarily about John Money and David Reimer. I probably don't have to tell KFers this, but John Money was the founder of modern gender theory/trans everything. David Reimer was a twin with a botched circumcision that John Money wanted to use to prove his theory that gender was purely socially constructed. (And before circumcision spergs start going off, David Reimer had infant phimosis. It was a medically necessary circumcision performed well after his birth.)

I'd heard some fairly disturbing things about John Money, but I thought he was just a crank. He was no crank. He was a fucking demon wearing human flesh.

John Money had several things wrong with him. First, he hated men. He suggested (probably not seriously, but still) that baby boys should be castrated at birth to tame their wild urges. Second, he was utterly convinced of his own intellectual superiority. He would bully and intimidate any researcher that disagreed with him. He would act like a total shithead to his staff, just because he could. But if he wanted something from you, he would charm and subtly pressure you until you gave in.

Third, he was an actual fucking pedophile. Now I know Null doesn't like that accusation being tossed around lightly, so here's the proof. He publicly stated that a consensual relationship between a 12 year old and a 30 year old was totally fine. John Money would separate the Reimer twins from their parents as part of their therapy sessions. In private, he would force them to strip and hump each other. He said this was because of an experience with an African (I think?) tribe where he saw children doing that sort of thing, and observed that the tribe was mentally healthy with no neuroses such as homosexuality. Only problem is, that was bullshit. Experts in that tribe said no such behavior is commonplace, and they had sexual neuroses at about the same rate as everybody else.

Not directly pedophilia related, but Money himself probably participated in (adult) polyamory and orgies. He believed that if people would just get over their sexual hangups (like not fucking children) everything would be totally fine in the world.

David Reimer had his dysfunctional schlong cut off and was raised as a girl and not told about the botched circumcision. He constantly rebelled against his imposed gender. John Money simply lied about this in his publications, saying that David comfortably identified as Brenda. When he wasn't lying, he would pressure David in his therapy sessions, questioning over and over with increasing insistence until David gave the "right" answer. Several of David's other doctors thought maybe David should be told about his history, but either deferred to Money's expertise (not completely unreasonable at the time) or were straight up afraid of him.

But it didn't hold. David gravitated toward boy activities. He fought, he played war, he wore male clothes. His parents, doing their best to follow medical advice, pushed back against this. David was miserable, and terrified of Money, eventually just refusing to ever visit him again. After this refusal, Money hornswaggled the parents into letting him visit and stay at their house. Fortunately it was without incident, and the last time the twins ever saw him.

After it became clear that Money's theories were just making everything worse, eventually David's parents broke down and told him the truth, and for a while, his life did actually end up improving.

It's well known that both Reimer twins killed themselves. In all honesty I don't think this was DIRECTLY because of John Money, it was more a result of tragedies in their personal lives as adults. But John Money made a major contribution, and it's not unreasonable to think they would have survived otherwise.

As for Money? Well, when it turned out that his own experiments categorically disproved his theories, he quietly buried the whole thing and went right on preaching his theories, claiming that his haters were just jelly.

Read this fucking book. I cracked through it in 5 hours and I have never hated a human being more than I hate John Money right now.
 
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