Off-Topic When did you hit peak trans and why? - Finally realized that trans activism and gender ideology are harmful.

[Miss Chance]

I felt nothing more complicated than moderate sympathy towards trans people until I got to know a few socially and via community work. Those real encounters left me feeling like an atheist in church. I just didn't believe what these people were saying, what they were doing or their philosophy. It just seemed to lack a fundamental truth, so was nothing more than play acting.
I still believe what they do is up to them, however I don't feel the 'rights struggle' should go any further than it already has. Women's rights need protecting, and children should be completely off limits. Any parallels with the church in that last sentence? I think so.

 

[Caped Baldman]

When I realised that every single one of them is a nerd (weeb/gamer/watches childrens cartoons well into adulthood), a tranny pornstar or both.

 

[FatalTater]

Okay I'm pretty live-and-let-live with the trans stuff but the ACLU has crossed a line. Can we get word out that the percentage of transgender folk is a tiny, tiny number please? We do not need to reorder the universe for them. Really.

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[Michael Janke]

when we started bending over backwards for such a tiny irrelevant demographic. a demographic that almost guaranteed to die before they hit retirement.

 

[Aqua Panda]

For me, it was watching a good friend in college get obviously groomed by autogynephilics purely for sex, then abandoned/ostracized by them when they rightly said, "I choose whom I sleep with, you are not entitled to have sex with me." It led to them putting a shotgun in the mouth when the mini-cult isolated everything they did and cancelled them. I was away on a internship and wish I had been there for them. I only learned the full story after the funeral.

I still think gender transitioning has a place for 1-2% of the population that has actual gender dyphoria, but I'm immensely disturbed by how trendy it has become for teenagers and people who don't fit in. It's the hippie/goth movement on steroids but this time you can't just grow out of it without serious bodily changes and possible mental health damage.

Also, I don't like how it's being used as a cover for obvious sexual degeneracy, fetishism, politics, and predation. Especially for those who are obviously soyboy/incels using it as a way to demand lesbains date them. There are subsets that are insanely mygonistic despite all the virtue signaling.

 

[m1ddl3m4rch]

For me, it was watching a good friend in college get obviously groomed by autogynephilics purely for sex, then abandoned/ostracized by them when they rightly said, "I choose whom I sleep with, you are not entitled to have sex with me." It led to them putting a shotgun in the mouth when the mini-cult isolated everything they did and cancelled them. I was away on a internship and wish I had been there for them. I only learned the full story after the funeral.

Who did what? Who are the they and them in this sentence? You're using the plural pronoun to describe both your friend and the group of trannies. Did them put a shotgun in your friends mouth or did your friend kill himself or herself? Your friend isn't a they, and you're submitting to the language changes of an ideology which killed your friend.

I still think gender transitioning has a place for 1-2% of the population that has actual gender dyphoria,

1 out of 100 or 1 out of 50 is waaayyy too high. Very few people have actual dysphoria, the rest are taken by social contagion so pharmaceuticals can profit. Don't even believe the 'good, legitimate' trans ideology.

 

[Aqua Panda]

Who did what? Who are the they and them in this sentence? You're using the plural pronoun to describe both your friend and the group of trannies. Did them put a shotgun in your friends mouth or did your friend kill himself or herself? Your friend isn't a they, and you're submitting to the language changes of an ideology which killed your friend.

Ah sry didn't even realize. They were a FtM and they put the gun in their own mouth.

 

[T0oCoolFool]

I don't have a specific event that peaked me, but I do have a few moments that really solidified how much troon logic doesn't make any sense.

1. This famous black political activist (forget her name) respected troons but gently pointed out that they didn't have the same experience as women because they were still raised and socialized as men. This shouldn't be controversial, but this lady was raked over the coals and suddenly it didn't matter how nice she was or her previous political activism, she was now de-personed for daring to suggest that trans women didn't share the same experiences as real women.

2. Troons arguing that they are real women and therefore should be allowed in female only spaces, and to deny them is transphobic, yet troon only spaces are fair and you can ban females from it, and there's nothing wrong with that. So troons are both 100% true and honest women, yet they also are different and deserve their own spaces... how does that work?

3. Coming face to face with a troon in bathroom, alone. It was scary being a tiny woman, alone with this very obvious 6 ft+ MALE that was built like a linebacker. The girly clothes and makeup didn't do a damn thing, instinctively your body screams "That's a MAN!" and no amount of brainwashing can change that. I feel like most of these TRAs have never met a troon in person and would change their mind quickly if they did.

 

[1440p Curved Monitor]

. This famous black political activist (forget her name) respected troons but gently pointed out that they didn't have the same experience as women because they were still raised and socialized as men. This shouldn't be controversial, but this lady was raked over the coals and suddenly it didn't matter how nice she was or her previous political activism, she was now de-personed for daring to suggest that trans women didn't share the same experiences as real women.

You're talking about Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie. She later wrote an essay about it and it is scalding. Never piss of writers.

 

[m1ddl3m4rch]

Spoiler: archive

 

[Rita Farr]

Aside from everything else already said:

The other day I was crocheting in the local cemetery (many people spend time jogging and taking walks through it; it's very lovely and well-maintained) when a small group from a funeral service came near the benches I was at because it was quiet and removed from the event.

They sat with me and chatted about knitting and crochet, and they felt comfortable enough to say things to each other like "Her mom always said it was a phase," "I always knew her as X, but you knew her as Y?," and "She was always a boy. Always a boy."

It turned out it was a funeral for a FtM woman. She passed amazingly, her facial hair was well groomed in her memorial photos, and if you didn't hear what I heard you would have never known from her looks that she was a woman. But to know her loved ones and even newer friends still defined her as a woman after her passing? She was also young, too. In her 30s.

It felt grim in a way that all of the online debates never really touch upon. It feels grim to be witness to it firsthand, and it feels grim in that nowadays many children have been forced into a life like this.

All I know is that all of this is not and never should have been the answer. I hold an immense sadness for these people that I never would have felt if it had only remained an online phenomenon.

 

[Junkymunky]

After I read "Silence of the lambs" and watched the surgery on "faces of death"

 

[Erich Honecker]

I'm well aware that I was part of the problem on this issue, because up until early 2020ish I was in favour of all this transgender and gender identity stuff. The thing is that I never really thought about it very deeply. I was at university, I was (and still am in many ways) on the left of the political spectrum, and most of my social circles consisted of other lefty progressive types. I always thought of myself as being culturally libertarian, so being tolerant of transgender people was something I never considered any different to being tolerant of gay people. I might have thought it was all a bit retarded deep down, but I looked at it from a perspective of "Not my business, not my problem".

I remember experiencing some very early moments of skepticism however. The Caitlyn Jenner thing was my first major encounter with transgenderism in the news, and while I was supportive of it at the time, I remember a lot of the controversy around "deadnaming" when some people continued to refer to Bruce Jenner instead of Caitlyn, and I remember wondering why on Earth it was such a big deal. This was someone who had lived most of their life as a man who was named Bruce Jenner. Now, they wanted to live as a woman called Caitlyn Jenner. But surely that does not erase the many years they were known as Bruce, so why did there have to be this movement to retroactively change every record and every article to be "Caitlyn", and why were people so harsh on those who slipped up and continued to refer to Bruce? It seemed to me like many wanted to memory hole the fact that transgender people ever lived as the other gender, and I thought that was strange, but I pushed it to the back of my mind for several years. Similarly, I remember first encountering talk around kids and young teens transitioning in 2017ish, and briefly being outraged by it, before shamefully deciding to just ignore it because I thought it must just be a tiny minority of extremists endorsing that.

In 2020 I didn't have any singular moment that peaked me. It was more just several realisations coming at once. I had been someone who was vocally pro-transgenderism, but I didn't really know many transgender people (and the few I did know were all very shy pre-op FTM or non-binary girls. I never knew any MTFs or anyone who had gone through a full medical transition). So my supportiveness was based around this idea I had in my head that the vast majority of transgender people were harmless people with genuine gender dysphoria, who genuinely could not help being "born as the wrong gender", and should be supported to rectify this. Once I started to see more and more people in pro-trans spheres talk about "You don't need gender dysphoria to be trans", or "Literally anyone who says they are trans must be immediately accepted as their new gender no matter what", I started to feel uneasy about a lot of this. It seemed like a lot of people wanted to argue simultaneously that gender didn't matter and could be simply changed on a whim, but also that any person changing their gender must be taken deadly seriously and any attempt to question their identity must be treated as hate speech. And that simply didn't make sense to me.

Also, once I dug my head out of the sand and actually started paying attention to the shit that is going on with groups lobbying for children to medically transition without parental consent, or forcing MTFs into women's sports, that was quite horrifying. That's the sort of stuff that makes you realise that this isn't a game anymore, this isn't just weirdos online playing with their gender identity, this is a movement which is going to negatively impact a great many peoples' lives for a long time to come.

 

[LeChampion1992]

Once I realized trans people would become sterilized due to them taking hormone replacement therapy or getting their testicles removed. Something at that moment made me realize what the "troon" movement is. An anti white anti western death cult that seeks to emasculate men and turn them into eunuchs while the elites fuck who and what they want.

 

[Clovis]

The British Labour Party electing an AGP troll as a Women's Officer. And the amount of very dodgy troons getting into media and politics positions and no one daring to call them out. Talk about clownworld, it was just the shutting down of debate and overriding of rationality in favour of SJW cultishness that got me.

Plus, spending time on the farms made me aware of just how many perverted, misogynistic AGP men are using social justice as a shield. I don't hang out in those spheres so I wasn't aware how infested they are.
And if I point out that this subsection of the trans er...movement (Community? IDK) I'll be unpersoned as a transphobe for not bowing down to an anti-free-speech agenda.

And after hitting peak trans, everything I see seems to make me more concerned:
We now live in such a dumbed-down world that everything has to be simplified and binary. So if I say I support genuine trans people yet condemn the AGP pervert agenda it just does not compute. Either you're on the side of the SJW view du jour or you're a monstrous bigot. No room for nuance. It is so fucking sinister.

And I feel bad for the trannies that SRS is just horrific genital mutilation but they're pressured into it nonetheless.

Not to mention the predatory transing of children.
And the linguistic war on women.

 

[Shrek]

Probably when I figured out what an “egg” was when someone suggested I might be one. Clearly since I am straight but I have some feminine interests and a general femboy aesthetic that means I’m actually a female, and since I like women a lesbian. Interesting there’s an overlap with communities that deny gender roles and stereotypes while also using them to convince people maybe they’re trans. The whole egg notion has made it so for a lot of the trans whatever you want to call it the main objective is conversion and is predatory. It’s not find yourself anymore it’s let us find you.
I still think gender dysphoria for many people is real and not fetishistic in nature, and I support these people, but it’s clear that what was once a group about accepting who you are has been taken over by fetishists.
Anecdotally, I once knew of a twitter account that had a few thousand followers that was for trans people against transitioning children/young teens. They argued like most level headed people do that at these ages the decisions aren’t really being made by the kids, and it’s a confusing time of life for anyone. The account vanished one day, I’m assuming it was removed for transphobia or something. It gives me hope that more trans people than a lot of people realize also think things have gotten out of control, but also worried that apparently these voices are being silenced for whatever reason.

 

[BonerMan]

I never gave a fuck about trannies for the longest time. It didn't affect me at all what people choose to do with themselves, so I just never cared. Never really saw any trannies at my university, there were none when I was in high school, etc.

Over the past two years went from seeing almost zero of them to some of my classes being 10% tranny or "nonbinary". Now I have to have a name card on my desk with my "preferred pronouns" on it, I had an assignment watch a documentary on trannies in the film industry and write a paper about my thoughts on it, etc. I don't know what has changed, but there has definitely been a push at my university to normalize this shit.

After having actually interacted with them now I can say they're all extremely mentally ill and need mental health treatment, not hormones and their dick cut off.
Here are the most glaring examples of this shit, from discord servers associated with my school.

"My pronouns are Voi/Void/Voids, Ve/Vim/Vis, They/Them." Not a single fucking person questioned them about how retarded they sound.

"They/He/It or any pronouns".

 

[LigmaTwatz]

I stopped caring about the Trans-people when I had first hand contact with a man, dressed as a woman, calling me a transphobe after HE catfishes me into meeting up with him for sex. I’m a lesbian woman, and I refuse to suck lady penis.
Another thing that turns me off, is the blatant complaining, the forcing everyone to conform to their weird ideologies. When you force children into it, it’s a wrap. I can’t stand the way they treat women as if we’re just outfits and costumes, they want to push their way into women’s spaces (OBGYN, lactation rooms, locker rooms, women’s bathrooms, battered women’s shelters, sports) that haven’t ever been a thing until the last few years. They’re all women haters, and do not respect when women say NO. They’re just incles in wigs and makeup.
the fact that they get free insurance kills me also.

edit;Forgot to add my initial complaint, we met up at a busy Starbucks, we sat down, I tell him I’m only into women, dispute what you’ve got going on. He threw his venti cup of coffee mixed with protein powder on me, that day I was wearing a white dress. I was so humiliated!

 

[3MMA]

Going to give this a go, & attempt to do so with as little power leveling as possible. I’ve enjoyed discussions w/ quite a few users who’ve posted ITT, & this is the Deep Thoughts sub forum, so some particulars are encouraged in the context of this thread. Still, I apologies in advance for any vagaries I over utilize.

It was 2013, I was on a date, we’d been dating for a month or so. I was involved w/ a group, I cohosted monthly meet ups & special events. Recently the subject of “trans people” had come up in reference to certain, special events, this group I helped run, also produced. I’d been straddling the line, being polite, while being committed to various causes, & in the beginning, ducked out of having my thoughts & opinions at the forefront, in favor of being nice.

So, my date & I are taking a quaint, beautiful, lovely walk. My date asks me, “Name redacted-really? What do you think? I want to know. Do you think that trans women, are women?”

I recall being asked, & knowing that my date really wanted to know. I took a few moments, less than ten seconds, and turn, to my date, “No. I don’t.”

“Good.” My date was relieved that they were with someone sane. I was relieved to finally know how I felt, & with my dates question, I was given permission to not have to lie, to hide behind a fake version of “nice,” of going along to get along.

I could have gotten lost in being nice. I was saved the path of the handmaiden, by a beautiful, lovely, date. I got lucky that day, & hit peak early enough in the conversation to see much that’s gone on, now, with years on from the moment I’d hit peak trans.

 

[LigmaTwatz]

. I got lucky that day, & hit peak early enough in the conversation to see much that’s gone on, now, with years on from the moment I’d hit peak trans.

LMAO could you imagine if you would’ve said “ Yes, all trans women are women..” she would’ve thought you were a tranny chaser or a weirdo
Good to know you were honest; if anyone I wanna go out with says something along the lines of “all trannies are women” I know they’re fucked up in the head, or don’t have good judgment.