Off-Topic When did you hit peak trans and why? - Finally realized that trans activism and gender ideology are harmful.

[cybertoaster]

I think when I realized most of these are just perverts looking for a free pass to do nasty shit.

And not just the MtF, meet plenty of FtMs who were also pervs into shit like pegging and BDSM. Many told me they transitioned just to fuck straight women or dominate gay men. I recall this particular troon who was pestering an asian chick in our group because "he" wanted to cuck an asian guy. Needless to say we told "him" to get out before we beat the shit out of "his" 5.1 feet lanky ass

 

[barbie meat]

I have been in trauma therapy for a couple years now, working through a lifetime of bullshit so I can live a normal productive life without being cripplingly miserable and wanting to do drugs all the time. And weirdly, this has peaked me trans more than anything.

Why is it weird? Well, I've had personal experience with 3 trans people in my life, so you'd think I would have come to this sooner. But no, it's only through working through my own traumatic past that I realized I am doing the exact thing that all 3 of them are too scared to do. They all have huge amounts of trauma and instead of going to therapy for it like a normal person, they decided it's easier to do this song and dance where you can make all your problems external and never have to feel that vulnerable feeling of facing your own pain. They don't get that a life worth living is on the other side of the pain, and you have to go through it to get there.

 

[Anxiety Succubus]

Posted this in the SJW one that OP also posted but it belongs here too:

When I was in 7th grade I transitioned from female to male after my lesbian babysitter explained to me how "gender is a spectrum." Since I struggled Aspergers and didn't fit in and was weird, I never felt like a I fit in with other girls. I did tell my mom I wanted to be a boy when I was little, which only verified my belief. I had a binder, cut off my hair, went by a male name, started wearing boxers, and went by he/him pronouns. My parents were conservative but still accepted me, but said I couldn't get hormones, etc. until I was 18 (thank god) and had to pay for it myself. My bullying when got 100 times worse. I became even more obnoxious in 8th grade when I discovered Onision (I know) and started regurgitating SJW talking points. By freshman year I was calling my self otherkin and wearing a tail because i secretly hated myself so much and longes to be anything else but myself. Then my batshit insane highschool counselor who upon finding out I thought I was demonkin, confirmed my beliefs that demons were in fact real but actually very evil and how God was actually the way (this was a public school). Then she referred my desperate parents (who were not extremely religious and didn't know what they were getting into) to a friend of hers who called herself a psychologist but all she did was talk about her Pentacostal beliefs and how demons caused mental illness. Because I was easily influenced, I dropped all my SJW beliefs in a couple months and went from the extreme left to the extreme right. This included transitioning back to my actual gender. I was still unsure if it was the right decision but after switching schools and getting real therapy my gender dysphoria was gone. As my brain developed more I started leaning back to the center politically and developing my own opinions.

 

[Bunny Tracks]

Is it possible to get peaked twice? Because the sheer indifference some assholes have to MtF troons is fucking infuriating.

When I brought up how troons were infiltrating women's sports teams, and taking credit for all their hard work, and snatching away their prizes, and awards despite not putting in nearly as much effort as the actual women do, all I got was silence, and the usual bullshit lolbertarian response of "Well, it doesn't effect me, so..."

Like, obviously it doesn't effect you because 1) you're a man, and 2) you're not on sports team, and you don't care about sports, but how can you see this blatant bullshit, and not be at least a little bothered by it?

 

[Sarcastic sockpuppet]

Yaniv + Chanellor + Karen White + the trans community reaction to them (which roughly is "women are hardly blameless little lambs, they can be monsters too") + my own experience with sex pests = BOOM, Peaked.

 

[deadeggbeard]

"Lesbians need to accept penis if the person who owns the penis puts on a dress"

Haha ha ha fuck you

 

[X-Shaped Weeaboo]

I don't know if I've hit my peak in this regard, but as just a general observation, I have to admit I find it very suspicious that the majority of all these rulings and benefits and rights demanded for Trans people seem almost exclusively geared towards male-to-female Trans people.

I know quite a few female-to-male Trans folk; they're pretty alright and pretty on the level. I want to say it's whiplash to notice the difference between Trans-girls who are fat, autistic losers and Trans-men who not only tend to pass phenomenally better but aren't as heavy of a basket-case as Trans-woman online.

But I just don't trust it. I admit it; I don't trust men. I do understand that there are and have been men who have transitioned into being a woman who aren't the headasses you see on the Farms and that broad strokes are bad to apply for something I don't have the best experience with, but I just can't shake this bias in my head. All the Trans-women I see online are horny, fetishizing bastards who don't seem to really care about what being a woman actually entails but are just in love with the fantasy of being sexually desired.

I don't get that with the Trans-men I've met. I don't get that with the Trans-men I've seen online. Or at least, not to the same extent. I'm not saying it's impossible that degeneracy doesn't exist on that side, just that it seems overwhelmingly stacked against Trans-women in particular.

And there's a painful knot in the pit of my stomach that comes from the idea of having all these really awkward and scary looking men in women's spaces. It's uncomfortable to me, especially knowing that Trans communities almost never police their own folk despite people like Chris-chan existing and preying upon women.

 

[Aunt Carol]

I know quite a few female-to-male Trans folk; they're pretty alright and pretty on the level. I want to say it's whiplash to notice the difference between Trans-girls who are fat, autistic losers and Trans-men who not only tend to pass phenomenally better but aren't as heavy of a basket-case as Trans-woman online.

There are plenty of transmen/TiF who are batshit, from the cows here to the people you meet if you abut fandom spaces or nerd social groups that draw geeky women.

I think the difference, which doesn't go against your gut feeling, is that a bad apple transman makes one think "christ, this person is exhausting to interact with." Maybe a little concern that they'll do something to your social reputation with their drama-hungry ways. Sometimes sadness, if they're wearing the skin of someone who used to be your friend, back when she was able to talk about things other than herself.

There isn't the sense of a physical threat, which is what the MtFs bring along with their inflated social credit.

 

[teriyakiburns]

I don't get that with the Trans-men I've met. I don't get that with the Trans-men I've seen online. Or at least, not to the same extent. I'm not saying it's impossible that degeneracy doesn't exist on that side, just that it seems overwhelmingly stacked against Trans-women in particular.

This because trans men are women. They act like women, they think like women, and they respond to confrontation like women. They act more like you so you feel safer with them; their flaws are less visible. That doesn't make them any less batshit, it's just less obvious to you, because they're not socialised to be aggressive and physically dominating like real males. Conversely, a trans woman acts like a male, with a thin, hyper-sterotypical veneer of what he thinks is feminine behaviour smeared over the top like so much badly applied foundation.

Trans men don't pass, incidentally. They all look like prematurely-aged manlet teenagers. They're female stereotypes of male behaviour, expressing a superficial understanding of masculinity that is no deeper than the trans woman's understanding of femininity. It's all an act in both cases, based on ignorance and sexism.

 

[Notgonnalie]

When they denied any differences between biological women and trans women, when they said trans women don't have to get any surgery or be on hormones to be considered trans. Basically opening the stage where we are now where there is no gatekeeping or effort in order to be trans.

the "gender is a social construct" thing and the deconstruct gender roles sperging started with feminism

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Well women are born girls, not women, so she is right.

oh, also learning that they were bullying lesbians for not wanting biological males.

 

[Ser Prize]

This because trans men are women. They act like women, they think like women, and they respond to confrontation like women. They act more like you so you feel safer with them; their flaws are less visible. That doesn't make them any less batshit, it's just less obvious to you, because they're not socialised to be aggressive and physically dominating like real males. Conversely, a trans woman acts like a male, with a thin, hyper-sterotypical veneer of what he thinks is feminine behaviour smeared over the top like so much badly applied foundation.

Trans men don't pass, incidentally. They all look like prematurely-aged manlet teenagers. They're female stereotypes of male behaviour, expressing a superficial understanding of masculinity that is no deeper than the trans woman's understanding of femininity. It's all an act in both cases, based on ignorance and sexism.

FTMs usually get a pass the same way lesbians usually get a pass. It's really disgusting.

 

[Elysian]

Let me paint you a picture, albeit with the names changed.

It's my second year of university and I am at a house party with a bunch of people from the uni's gaming society. It's fairly standard nerd party stuff; plenty of booze and conversation about nerd stuff. A guy I met back in first year enters the room with a troupe of troons in tow. He has shoulder length hair and extremely heavy handed contour. His name is Alice now. The party gets back to talking now that the new arrivals are settled and due to the now 50:50 ratio of troons to normal people, the conversation inevitably shifts to Alice's transition plans since this is all new to him and the zeal of the convert is a very real thing. He expresses his hopes that he will get prescribed hormones in a timely manner, which is fair enough I suppose, NHS wait times for anything brain related are known for being a bit shit. Then he says he can't wait to pass well enough that he gets catcalled, specifically by homophobes, presumably because since he's actually a man that would make the catcaller gay and therefore be a big gotcha moment. Checkmate homophobes!

My brain surfaces from its pool of vodka to form a coherent thought:

And then in my weird moment of clarity I form several more.

Literally no woman I have ever met has expressed a wish to be catcalled more than they already are. Sexism doesn't make us feel ~validated~ it's just annoying and/or scary. Only a man would think that catcalling is even remotely enjoyable, and the thing that makes the prospect enjoyable to this man is the deception involved, because he is not a woman. He is transitioning to what he, as a man, thinks women are. It is then that I realise I am the only actual woman in this entire party. There are a few others in the society but they couldn't make it. I am on the periphery of this party, a party that the university would probably consider to have a very equal ratio of men to women. This is a lad's night in where half the lads are in drag. I feel like I've unmasked the monster at the end of an episode of Scooby Doo.

But alas, I can't vocalise any of this to anyone since I'll probably get cancelled so I go up to pour myself another drink.

 

[Ser Prize]

Let me paint you a picture, albeit with the names changed.

It's my second year of university and I am at a house party with a bunch of people from the uni's gaming society. It's fairly standard nerd party stuff; plenty of booze and conversation about nerd stuff. A guy I met back in first year enters the room with a troupe of troons in tow. He has shoulder length hair and extremely heavy handed contour. His name is Alice now. The party gets back to talking now that the new arrivals are settled and due to the now 50:50 ratio of troons to normal people, the conversation inevitably shifts to Alice's transition plans since this is all new to him and the zeal of the convert is a very real thing. He expresses his hopes that he will get prescribed hormones in a timely manner, which is fair enough I suppose, NHS wait times for anything brain related are known for being a bit shit. Then he says he can't wait to pass well enough that he gets catcalled, specifically by homophobes, presumably because since he's actually a man that would make the catcaller gay and therefore be a big gotcha moment. Checkmate homophobes!

My brain surfaces from its pool of vodka to form a coherent thought:

And then in my weird moment of clarity I form several more.

Literally no woman I have ever met has expressed a wish to be catcalled more than they already are. Sexism doesn't make us feel ~validated~ it's just annoying and/or scary. Only a man would think that catcalling is even remotely enjoyable, and the thing that makes the prospect enjoyable to this man is the deception involved, because he is not a woman. He is transitioning to what he, as a man, thinks women are. It is then that I realise I am the only actual woman in this entire party. There are a few others in the society but they couldn't make it. I am on the periphery of this party, a party that the university would probably consider to have a very equal ratio of men to women. This is a lad's night in where half the lads are in drag. I feel like I've unmasked the monster at the end of an episode of Scooby Doo.

But alas, I can't vocalise any of this to anyone since I'll probably get cancelled so I go up to pour myself another drink.

How long ago was this, if you don't mind me asking? If it's more than two years ago holy shit this has been a problem longer than I thought.

 

[Elysian]

How long ago was this, if you don't mind me asking? If it's more than two years ago holy shit this has been a problem longer than I thought.

This was like late 2017.

In hindsight my first contact with real troon bullshit was way back in 2014, after Leelah Alcorn 41%ed all the members of the LGBT society* painted our ring fingers pink in solidarity, put all our hands in together and took a photo to upload to social media. But the head of the society got some emotionally abusive troon in her inbox going on about how her activism isn’t gonna stop trans people from dying and therefore she needs to do something more tangible. So then we did a bake sale and donated the money to Gendered Intelligence. I remember thinking the person seemed a bit entitled but I just wrote it off as that person being shitty, and they did kinda have a point about slacktivism in a way.

* In my school it was compulsory to join a club because it looks good on your uni application and the LGBT society was notorious for just hanging out and doing virtually fuck all so it was a great one to join if you didn’t want to do anything. We did 6 things the entire time we were there: write nice messages to each other on a peace of paper so we’d have something to look at to bolster our self esteem, the pink for Leelah thing, filling out one of those Genderbread man diagrams to learn about troonery, the aforementioned bake sale, lighting candles and having a moment of silence for trans day of rememberance and we also had an impromptu lesson about contraception from the founder after she realised no one in the group knew what a dental dam was.

 

[Ser Prize]

This was like late 2017.

In hindsight my first contact with real troon bullshit was way back in 2014, after Leelah Alcorn 41%ed all the members of the LGBT society* painted our ring fingers pink in solidarity, put all our hands in together and took a photo to upload to social media. But the head of the society got some emotionally abusive troon in her inbox going on about how her activism isn’t gonna stop trans people from dying and therefore she needs to do something more tangible. So then we did a bake sale and donated the money to Gendered Intelligence. I remember thinking the person seemed a bit entitled but I just wrote it off as that person being shitty, and they did kinda have a point about slacktivism in a way.

* In my school it was compulsory to join a club because it looks good on your uni application and the LGBT society was notorious for just hanging out and doing virtually fuck all so it was a great one to join if you didn’t want to do anything. We did 6 things the entire time we were there: write nice messages to each other on a peace of paper so we’d have something to look at to bolster our self esteem, the pink for Leelah thing, filling out one of those Genderbread man diagrams to learn about troonery, the aforementioned bake sale, lighting candles and having a moment of silence for trans day of rememberance and we also had an impromptu lesson about contraception from the founder after she realised no one in the group knew what a dental dam was.

Christ alive that sounds fucking weird and loony. To think that was back in the early 2010's, too.

 

[Protistology]

Posted this in the SJW one that OP also posted but it belongs here too:

When I was in 7th grade I transitioned from female to male after my lesbian babysitter explained to me how "gender is a spectrum." Since I struggled Aspergers and didn't fit in and was weird, I never felt like a I fit in with other girls. I did tell my mom I wanted to be a boy when I was little, which only verified my belief. I had a binder, cut off my hair, went by a male name, started wearing boxers, and went by he/him pronouns. My parents were conservative but still accepted me, but said I couldn't get hormones, etc. until I was 18 (thank god) and had to pay for it myself. My bullying when got 100 times worse. I became even more obnoxious in 8th grade when I discovered Onision (I know) and started regurgitating SJW talking points. By freshman year I was calling my self otherkin and wearing a tail because i secretly hated myself so much and longes to be anything else but myself. Then my batshit insane highschool counselor who upon finding out I thought I was demonkin, confirmed my beliefs that demons were in fact real but actually very evil and how God was actually the way (this was a public school). Then she referred my desperate parents (who were not extremely religious and didn't know what they were getting into) to a friend of hers who called herself a psychologist but all she did was talk about her Pentacostal beliefs and how demons caused mental illness. Because I was easily influenced, I dropped all my SJW beliefs in a couple months and went from the extreme left to the extreme right. This included transitioning back to my actual gender. I was still unsure if it was the right decision but after switching schools and getting real therapy my gender dysphoria was gone. As my brain developed more I started leaning back to the center politically and developing my own opinions.

Thanks JC?

 

[Sissyagamben]

the "gender is a social construct" thing and the deconstruct gender roles sperging started with feminism

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If you have read Beauvoir you’d know she’d definitely be a terf if it was around when she was alive.

 

[LinkinParkxNaruto[AMV]]

If you have read Beauvoir you’d know she’d definitely be a terf if it was around when she was alive.

Yeah. A polyamorous communist who molest her students. Her opinions would still be worth shit.

 

[Sissyagamben]

Yeah. A polyamorous communist who molest her students. Her opinions would still be worth shit.

Sorry, about to get sperg here. I’ve because of tism read most of second third wave feminist works and transgenderism literally would not even be accepted by any of them late 90s private school gender studies “researchers”


I mean, it’s not that her ideas matter, but that even she won’t be an advocate for troon shit. As bat shit crazy as she is, she won’t believe in a second of this troon bullshit because even she recognizes men and women have lived experiences and there’s no way a perverted autistic can just put on a wig and chop off his dick and be a woman because he was never in his life been treated as a woman.

Many from third wave feminism won’t even agree with transgenderism, the whole gender is social construct thing doesn’t even support transgenderism, the original idea was that it’s socially constructed that people think girls can’t do maths, so girls should be allowed to do maths, not that anyone who can’t do math is a girl. Transgenders literally turned feminism on it’s head and now we are supposed to believe if a girl likes math she needs to chop her tits off and grow a fake penis. Or if a boy should chop off his dick because he likes Barbie. Social construction theory would say liking Barbie is considered to be a girl thing because it’s socially constructed and a boy should be free to like barbies. Not that he has to be on hormones at age 11 and grow tits.

It’s no surprise that no real schools of feminism ever supports troon shit. Even Judith Butler (I guess theoretically) wouldn’t support letting men in women bathrooms. She’s fine with men dressing up as women even, because basically if they want to wear dress whatever , but that’s what they are, men wearing dresses. She’s never say sth like wearing dress makes one a woman. Its just men who think they must be allowed to flaunt their perverse shit that are pushing this rhetoric, with the entitlement they have learn from being a upper middle class man. And now it’s a part of neo-liberal retard ideology. There’s never any academic gender studies that could even support troon shit.

 

[Elysian]

Sorry, about to get sperg here. I’ve because of tism read most of second third wave feminist works and transgenderism literally would not even be accepted by any of them late 90s private school gender studies “researchers”


I mean, it’s not that her ideas matter, but that even she won’t be an advocate for troon shit. As bat shit crazy as she is, she won’t believe in a second of this troon bullshit because even she recognizes men and women have lived experiences and there’s no way a perverted autistic can just put on a wig and chop off his dick and be a woman because he was never in his life been treated as a woman.

Many from third wave feminism won’t even agree with transgenderism, the whole gender is social construct thing doesn’t even support transgenderism, the original idea was that it’s socially constructed that people think girls can’t do maths, so girls should be allowed to do maths, not that anyone who can’t do math is a girl. Transgenders literally turned feminism on it’s head and now we are supposed to believe if a girl likes math she needs to chop her tits off and grow a fake penis. Or if a boy should chop off his dick because he likes Barbie. Social construction theory would say liking Barbie is considered to be a girl thing because it’s socially constructed and a boy should be free to like barbies. Not that he has to be on hormones at age 11 and grow tits.

It’s no surprise that no real schools of feminism ever supports troon shit. Even Judith Butler (I guess theoretically) wouldn’t support letting men in women bathrooms. She’s fine with men dressing up as women even, because basically if they want to wear dress whatever , but that’s what they are, men wearing dresses. She’s never say sth like wearing dress makes one a woman. Its just men who think they must be allowed to flaunt their perverse shit that are pushing this rhetoric, with the entitlement they have learn from being a upper middle class man. And now it’s a part of neo-liberal exceptional individual ideology. There’s never any academic gender studies that could even support troon shit.

Didn’t Judith Butler write that op ed article that said terfs don’t have any logically consistent arguments and are all secretly far-right turbo fascists that want to genocide all troons and send women back to the kitchen forever?