Off-Topic When did you hit peak trans and why? - Finally realized that trans activism and gender ideology are harmful.

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I started pretty early when a high school friend began transitioning right after graduation. Turned out he was a sex pest and after chatting with some girl friends of mine, I found out he had pulled the exact same creepy moves on all four of us over the preceding years. He's since detransitioned and is just generally "kweer" and I don't know why any of the people I know back home still give him the time of day. But whatever I don't have to see any of them anymore.

My peaking got a shot of adrenaline when I worked with a TIM a couple jobs back. He was one of the most deeply unpleasant people I've ever had the misfortune to interact with. He was ALSO a sex pest - I don't think he ever actually did anything to anyone, but he wouldn't shut the fuck up about his paraphilias to anyone who was too polite to tell him to stop.

I realized the common denominator with every trans person I had met was their preoccupation with sex not as a natural part of life, but as either a dirty, scandalous vice they couldn't resist or as their entire life. Being a woman is incidental to who I am. My hobbies and interests have fuck all to do with being a woman. Being a woman is an all-consuming black hole of the lives of the trans people I've met. And the sympathetic part of me really genuinely wants to believe that there are trans people who want to live as the opposite gender and just move the fuck on. But I haven't met one. And given how the trans movement is going, it really doesn't seem like there's a lot of those people. But maybe that's unfair. I don't know. I'm struggling with how much I've recoiled from the T of LGBT recently. I was a fierce LGB ally in high school and still consider myself one (even though I wish there were a better word for it) so it's weird to now be considered socially right of my friends who were iffy on the whole gay marriage thing ten years ago.
 
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I realized the common denominator with every trans person I had met was their preoccupation with sex not as a natural part of life, but as either a dirty, scandalous vice they couldn't resist or as their entire life.
This is weirdly relatable. The trans people I have met either talk about how much of a slut they are or they go on and on about being asexual.
Being a woman is incidental to who I am. My hobbies and interests have fuck all to do with being a woman. Being a woman is an all-consuming black hole of the lives of the trans people I've met.
That's really interesting to me because internet trans people tend to really go hard in the stereotypical feminine route with generic "kawai" anime girl pfps, talking about how girly they are, lots of makeup, pink pastel colors, always typical feminine hobbies, or talking "from the perspective of being a woman".

I have never seen a transwoman who was a tomboy.

On the trans man route, it's funny enough a little more diverse. It's usually either "dudes" in flannel with glasses and the same hairstyle (who end up looking super feminine still because they don't put much effort into passing) or "soft boys" who wear nail polish and crop tops.

And they are always preop on both sides.

Funny enough I have met one transwoman who put legit effort into passing and did come across as a real person and never talked endlessly about how trans she was or sex. She was an IT geek through and through so she would talk about computer-related stuff. I wasn't close to her but I know her well enough to say that even when transitioning, she never changed her personality as opposed to some troons who become borderline parodies of gender norms.

I don't dislike the idea of trans people. Gender dysphoria sounds like a bitch but I am weary of the movement and its interpretation of gender.

Or rather how people of the two genders should act.
 
I wish the Tumblrinas and troon-enablers would be more honest and frank when it comes to what the medical realities of sexual reassignment surgery actually are, how imperfect and crude the results that you can realistically expect from the outcome are, and the permanent medical complications that can come about even if everything goes right.

The fact that nobody ever seems to bring this up when troons talk about "hatching eggs" makes it seem like the vast majority of "trans" people are transtrenders that have no idea of what they are in for if they go as far as surgery.
 
Probably when I used to be in a friend/shipping group, and one of the members was going on about a competition that a transwoman won over an actual woman athlete. I remember just how prideful and venomous she was about how the woman athlete that brought up the disparity was "toxic" and "jealous" over the loss.
Made me rethink a lot of my support and distanced myself from the whole thing.
 
I never really supported trannyshit, but at one time I viewed it more as a harmless curiosity than anything else. Like the type of weirdos that TLC makes shows about. Then things started being labeled "transphobic", there was the push to force speech via forcing muh pronouns, etc. So yeah I made up my mind pretty quickly once I started seeing that stuff.
 
I've always been kinda iffy about the whole trans movement, it never made sense to me why a mental illness is treated with affirmation instead of actual help. Anyway, Lia Thomas peaked me. If he wants to ~live his truth~ and grow his hair and wear skirts, whatever. However, I don't think that biological males should be able to "identify" as a female and intrude on women's spaces and opportunities. Apparently, Lia's teammates are scared to publicly speak out against him and his actions for fear of being ridiculed. We've come full circle, women are being told to shut up so transwomen AKA men can do and say whatever they want, and women just have to take it. We're supposed to let men act out their fetish in public (I think some Mtfs are mentally ill or struggling with homosexuality, but I think most are just misogynistic pervs tbh) and act like it's totally normal and "valid".

I also really hate how they're trying to change language i.e., AFAB, Latinx, etc. Instead of being asked my sex, I was asked: "do you currently identify as male, female or other?" and them trying to normalize putting pronouns in bios or on name tags. It's ridiculous. The self ID shit is ridiculous too.
 
Yaniv, the tumblr migration to twitter, Laurel Hubbard and Lia Thomas.

I know 2 trans people in real life, both live in a major city 2 hrs away from me and are friends of friends (of friends). One is a trans drag queen and the other works in fashion. They didn't bother me because A) they're so few in number and B) when they only really exist on the gay scene in a few large metropolitan areas, it's easy to just view them as sorta like femme gay boys dressing like Bratz dolls.

But when I found out about AGPs, the piccrew gamer/programmer troons, and the women's sports shit I was 100% peaked.
 
I've lurked here for a long time and my story is a bit of a powerlevel, but this thread has seriously awakened me to how such a small group of people have a huge problem with sex pests and the maladjusted, how this factor is not held to account, and how they disproportionately affect the lives of those around them. It's also reminded me of an event that occured in my transition to adulthood that looking back fits the pattern of many trooners.

I peaked trans a while back, probably around 2016/17, though through school in the mid-2000s I'd always had some idea of trans people and did not view as much more than sexual degenerates. I grew up at the tail end of the 90s liberal culture of leaving people alone and tolerating those who were different, and I still believe in this. Part of that is that I knew fairly early on I was gay, probably before puberty, though obviously in the way a pre-pubescent child would contextualise it. This frames where I come from- early on I always knew I was different, not majorly so, but enough to where I wanted to treat with respect and that hopefully they would therefore treat me with respect, even if they did not understand or even like these differences. I completely forget the program, but in one of my history classes we watched an episode of a show about odd people. It was more of a fly-on-the-wall spot, not the typical propaganda you'd see a teacher show students in schools these days. The program interviewed an Aboriginal who still lived like an undiscovered tribal in a major city, a Swedish family who immigrated in the 40s/50s/60s/whenever but retained their extremely weird cuisine and culture, and finally what used to be called a transvestite but what most would recognise today as an autogynephilic cross-dresser.

This final person portrayed themselves as exactly that- it was a fetish, they engaged in the fetish, had a fantasy about being openly accepted, but ultimately left it in the bedroom and understood they were never going to be a woman. This person had come out to their wife in the late 90s and, though certainly creeped out, grew to accept it and even engaged with the fetish. Obviously, as a child your first instinct is disgust, and naturally so. My second thought was akin to "well my 'fetish' is being gay, what's so wrong with this", and my third thought was an understanding that this was somehow different. My sexuality is, ultimately, not a fetish. I gain no sexual gratification from thinking about the subject of homosexuality itself, yet this person was so obviously sexually gratified just due to thinking about being a woman. When I finally encountered what we call "trans" people I was already inoculated enough to understand their position was one of sexual gratification, not some abnormality akin to congenital defects like Swyer syndrome. I did not believe the people like Blair White but I could at least understand that maybe they themselves could not figure out this difference and genuinely believed they were the other sex in spirit if not reality, unlike the transvestite who understood otherwise.

Fast forward to 2016/17. My friend group has always been a little odd, demographics wise. We have never been left-wing degenerate types, yet half the friend group is gay by fluke of chance (most did not come out until after high school). A lot were nerd types, awkward, whatever else. Some were the opposite and extremely extroverted, but we all held to the view I described earlier- tolerate differences even if you don't like them. One guy in the group ("R" from here out) was a terminally online type. Shy, weird, pathological hatred of women (I went through an anti-feminist phase too, but he always seemed off, like actually angry at women, not feminists), always carried a Nintendo DS, a laptop, whatever else with him. I was never really friends with him, but he'd always be there when we played games over discord or went to house parties or whatever else, so I tolerated his weird blurt-outs against the girlfriends who sometimes appeared or just strange references he would make. Sometimes he made me feel extremely uncomfortable, and probably because of all the group I am the most obviously gay and take it in stride he focused his actions on me. A couple times he touched me in an obviously sexual manner. Most in the group do this in a friendly way to each other, we're close and don't give a shit. But he made me uncomfortable, like it was obvious he was going to go home with the memory of having gripped my arm or swiped my ass and jerk off to it, while if everyone else did it it's a joke that goes no further than the few seconds we laugh about it. Looking back, "R" was probably what you would call the "Homestuck Generation", the Tumblr types who are perennially depressed and in an effort to find any sort of community troon out. They become hyper-sexual and infect every conversation with fetishes and extreme sex acts and trans whatever the fucks.

Anyway, one of these parties we had was at the house of a good friend of mine. He has a pretty big family, five other siblings in all, and it's a packed house even when you've got ten friends in the backyard and pool. He's the only adult, the rest are in middle school and pre school. His mother is lovely, and his father I have deep respect for, so I tried very hard to not swear or act up, even when others did, because I felt they deserved better than that as busy parents. This party was different, however. Something had changed. "R" was a lot more out going at this party, and almost immediately drunk to boot. It had slowly become a problem up to this point, but where it seemed like he just didn't pace himself before he now looked like an alcoholic, and was vomiting in front of the kids in the sink within 20 minutes of arriving. A few hours later a few of us went to the front of the house to check out another friend's new car. On the way, we walked passed the living room, all the kids and parents inside. "R" groped my ass as we walked passed, and I mean a proper grope, like you'd give your partner as your getting ready to ram them from behind. It felt like ages before I did anything but that was probably just the heat of emotions and adrenaline rushing a million thoughts to my head in half a second. I turned around, slapped him hard across the face, and yelled "DO NOT FUCKING TOUCH ME" in front of everyone. I felt extremely ashamed. Betrayal that someone would so openly molest me, something that only ever happened in my mind to strangers on the news, and disgust that I had just ruined the innocence of all the beautiful kids on both swearing and sexual impropriety in a single second.

Anyway, this event has largely been forgotten. This sex pest quickly disappeared and only talks to one or two of my friends through our old discord. Shortly after the event, we had a New Years party. I was high on ecstasy, having the time of my life sitting outside the pool with my best friend shooting the shit and smoking Marlboros. Very happy. "R" began to approach and I knew if he came near he'd ruin my night. I shouted across the pool for him to fuck right off and go somewhere else. Harsh? Maybe. No one there felt I was in the wrong. He went to his car, texted two other people to come talk to him and apparently as soon as they tried to get in he drove away. He sent a text just as he drove off about how he was trans and how he thought our group was more accepting and how bigoted I and a few others were for not accepting him. This is the first time I'd heard any troonery from him. Had he come out or transitioned I'd be courteous but I'd not think him a real woman. What disgusted me, however, was that he was such a coward that he ran away after groping numerous people and then trying to use being a hyper-sexual shut in as an excuse. He's in a different city far away from mine now and lives off ramen and government benefits in a trash fire tranny share home and is suicidal. I don't care. I'm happy for him. This is what happens when you become so enamored with sissy-hypno porn and Tumblr faggots that you molest other people and get driven off.

I know this is rambly and no one cares, but I just felt I had to share. These people are sick. Genuinely sick. The vast majority are either sex pest men or women who developed unresolved body issues during puberty, yet what binds them all together is an absolute pathological need to hurt those around them as they attempt to force them to validate their perverted fantasies. They use their illness as a shield for their despicable actions. They are genuinely misogynistic people if natal males, or have an actual form of what feminists would call internal-misogyny if natal females. I'm just glad that I've cultivated a friend that, while not without it's problems, did not turn on and exile me for simply standing up to a sexual predator as so many of the groups that have these spite-filled creatures in them do.
 
Slightly different one here. Not about when I peaked but the peaking of a Facebook group of 2.5k people.

I admin with a bunch of others and I didn't notice at first but two admins are trans. One a legit 17 years out transwoman who is bananas but I quite like. We bonded becuse we would both often get in trouble for saying the wrong thing about gender despite being quite gender nonconforming ourselves. "Lisa" is a biker and we have a lot in common. I genuinenely like her and I will give her the honour of having pronouns respected here.

The other one is an autistic girl enby who got bullied and tried to fit in by wearing a pink dress one time and got bullied even more so now leans heavily into trans. Also a nice person who i like but as they have shared their story online it's painfully clear that their autism has given them the idea that if you don't like pink and dresses you can't be a woman.

Then another group member, a lifelong gay/kink rights campaigner decides they've always been a woman too and puts on a dress plus no more effort and now considers themselves an expert on all things trans. Lisa absolutely detests this person and stepped back from the group a lot.


The group decided a few years ago it was a trans safe space and any tervery would get you banned.
The group was enthusiastically in accord with this and many members were banned along the way.

So yesterday a long screed is posted about how Lia Thompson actually has no advantage and a load of absolute mental gymnastics to justify it.

24 hours later. 10 likes. 5 comments, 2 of which are the noob transes. Lisa has stayed out of the "debate" ever since someone told her she wasn't allowed to talk about her own genitals in case someone else copped the dysphoria.

A year ago that post would have been met by rapturous appreciation and hundreds of likes.

The silence is deafening.
 
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Ya know I've met plenty of nice trans people, but holy shit are the trans people I've encountered on the internet specifically just the nastiest people. Like actually mean, there's not even an attempt to be ironic. Just treat everyone like shit for no reason
Those "nice trans people" are probably better at hiding their disgusting perversions to the general public. All the ones who seemed nice that I once knew and tried to tolerate were grooming some kid into something sexual or into becoming a troon like them. I bet you those "nice trans people" would chimp out like the naturally mean ones if they hear someone disagrees with their views on LGBTQ.
 
Those "nice trans people" are probably better at hiding their disgusting perversions to the general public. All the ones who seemed nice that I once knew and tried to tolerate were grooming some kid into something sexual or into becoming a troon like them. I bet you those "nice trans people" would chimp out like the naturally mean ones if they hear someone disagrees with their views on LGBTQ.
The only likeable trans person I've ever met was a natal woman. Seems from this thread and the rest of the site/internet that the natal women are the only ones who aren't extremely belligerent or actually insane. They have huge issues, but they ultimately act like women and tone it down in good company where natal men will freak out, get physical and then type out their rape and murder fantasies online if you only give 99.9% validation of their fetish. I haven't seen a single trans/man/ with a thread on this website. Maybe someone could point it out, but I doubt there's a single video out there where one sits next to Ben Shapiro and threatens to bash him.
 
The only likeable trans person I've ever met was a natal woman. Seems from this thread and the rest of the site/internet that the natal women are the only ones who aren't extremely belligerent or actually insane. They have huge issues, but they ultimately act like women and tone it down in good company where natal men will freak out, get physical and then type out their rape and murder fantasies online if you only give 99.9% validation of their fetish. I haven't seen a single trans/man/ with a thread on this website. Maybe someone could point it out, but I doubt there's a single video out there where one sits next to Ben Shapiro and threatens to bash him.
I used to know a mtf irl who I met through a friend-of-a-friend, around 5'3 and with loads of depression, but otherwise a sweetheart and relatively harmless. She had good weed, anyway. The online trans community is extremely hateable and predatory, for sure, but somehow I still hold out hope that it's just the internet bringing out the worst in people, and that most trans people in the real world are just gay boys who want to be pretty and butches who want to be buff.
 
I volunteer for a UK based mental health charity. 24/7 mental health crisis phone line, anonymous, confidential, non-judgemental etc etc. Been there for over a decade now, and while it has its frustrations I largely find it tremendously worthwhile and fulfilling. Although it's been rough recently, with the NHS going "eh fuckit we're busy" and offloading huge amounts of profoundly mentally unwell people. Still, I do my shifts, eat all the biscuits and pocket as many pens as I can.

Trannies are a problem. But this didn't become clear until about 7 years ago. Check it:

If a woman phones and asks to speak to a woman, you do your best to hand her across to a woman, since it's probably something she'd feel more comfortable sharing with a woman.
If a woman phones and asks to speak to a man, you do your best to hand her across to a man, since it's probably something she'd feel more comfortable sharing with a man.
If a man phones and asks to speak to a man, you do your best to hand him across to a man, since it's probably something he'd feel more comfortable sharing with a man.
If a man phones and asks to speak to a woman, you politely decline his request, since men are disgusting and 80% of the time they wanna jerk off while shouting sexual slurs.

So what do you do when a bigass man voiced man phones up, declares himself a woman, then asks to be speak to a woman?

At first the charity kinda went "Eh whatever we don't judge" and just said "You say you're a woman then you're a woman, here's a woman to talk to". Then about 7 years ago they introduced stat tracking to the phone system - confidential, but there's a little "what was this call roughly about?" checkbox thingy after each call now - and it immediately became clear that the vast majority of tranny calls are what we'd categorise as Misuse of Service. 78%, in fact. To be fair it's mostly "chatting" calls - they phone up and wanna yammer about clothes and hair and nails, but that's still time being taken away from other, needier callers. But also a significant percentage start out as seemingly okay calls and swiftly veer into heavily sexual, paraphiliac nonsense, frequently with coercive attempts to keep volunteers from ending the call. I know of at least three probationary volunteers who have left after having some tranny tear them up for shit paper because they didn't want to talk to them about panties or whatever, and a dozen or so more who've left because they're old school feminists and object to having to indulge male roleplay. So my tolerance was already pretty fuckin' low.

Then some fuckwit tried to sue because our stat tracking gender tickbox said "caller identifies as" rather than "caller is", and I went full on 1488 Stomp The Trannies.
 
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When I was a child in the early 1980s in the US, there was a show on NBC called Real People, which took a humorous look at interesting people and subcultures. In today's terms, you'd probably have to call it the very first reality show. It was a huge hit and won multiple Emmy awards, and I and everyone I knew watched it every week. One week they had a segment about a man and woman who had both undergone SRS so the man became a woman and the woman became a man. The studio audience laughed and guffawed about it as if it were the funniest thing they'd ever seen. Little ol' me, 11 years old or so, watched this segment and was fucking horrified. The man was so obviously still a man and the woman was so obviously still a woman. The only difference was that the man now had long hair and had shaved his beard, and the woman had short hair, but short hair like a tomboy, not like an actual man. It was a joke, a lie, an Emperor's New Clothes hoax, and I couldn't for the life of me understand why I was the only person who could see through it. And I was just a goddamn kid!!

I had nightmares about that segment for months, and if you happen to find it on YouTube or wherever, please don't tell me about it because even 40 years later I'm not sure I could handle it. I was raised to be a tolerant and liberal person, and I still am, but that shit fucking broke me. That was the day I learned that if someone in authority tells you you have to choose between them and your lyin' eyes, you'd better choose them, or suffer the consequences.

I can only imagine what it must be like for kids coming up today to see shit like that against a backdrop of uncritical acceptance, rather than of mocking laughter.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." --George Orwell, Nineteen Eighty-Four
 
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