Off-Topic When did you hit peak trans and why? - Finally realized that trans activism and gender ideology are harmful.

I used to be a TIF before, because living as a dyke in a shithole 3rd world country made the things very harsh for me. As soon as i was homeschooled and became a shut-in teen I discovered Twitter and Tumblr. I was venting there about how i was deeply jealous of men, then some "friends" told me that i had gender dysphoria and needed to make more research on this, which i did, and then i believed them, that's how i was sold into "transitionning will make you 100% the opposite gender don't worry about it!". I entered into multiple discord servers for trans ppl, made friends with them & shit, some of the TIMs were also flirting with me because I was the "uwu i hate women & feminism" pooner (I think they clearly saw me as a woman since they were all troonsbian lmfao). I planned to go thru mastectomies and starting HRT (thank god i didnt), i also bought binders at that time and those shit made me breathe with more difficulty.
I was deeeeply consumed by social medias and validation, I was a mentally ill lifeless troon who thought that becoming a man would erase all my problems
it didnt
After going to highschool (no more homeschooled) i didnt cared about my dysphoria anymore, i barely thought about it since i made real life friends and had to focus on other things instead of social medias. During that moment I saw a lot of my twitter friends becoming trannies too, i think half of them became trannies/annoying enbies, but that didn't really mattered to me because i was still a TRA at that time (no more troon tho). But what really clicked me off was when the majority of my twitter friends were outed as rapists/groomer/abuser and then quickly changed their gender 1 month after the call-outs on them, and their victims were more furious against people who misgendered their abusers than being furious against their abusers. I made some tweets about how that shit became ridiculous, and ofc i was called a transphobe bc i didnt wanted to respect pronouns to rapists, most of my friends quickly turned their back on me and i was told that i was a horrible person for not respecting their feelings, got tired to that shit and made me peak quickly, i also joined the terf club and made great friends after that!

TL;DR : me dyke then was troon at teen because me addicted to twitter&discord and trannies were very validating to me then me detransitionned after seeing the real world then me made enemies because me dont respect to rapists pronouns
Appreciate the honest commentary. Hope life is moving forward in a more positive direction for you.
 
To be fair, it's common sense that rapists either get referred to by their sex, or as an "it" by default.
I also don't trust people who complain about misgendering rapists. If anyone gives a shit about that, they're clearly not worth listening to. At best they're retarded, at worst they're one themself.
Yeah but now it's too late, murderers/rapists can go to women's prison if they tell to the judge that they feel deep down a woman inside (how ? well.. it came magically i guess !). And it's not going to be that easy to go back to putting them in the prison that they belong to. Also, if they decide to do that, they must also apply that they shouldnt have access to womens restroom. That would be weird to remove them from one space but let them go to another "similar" one.
 
I was very pro trans until about three years ago. As a personal liberty thing not because I liked them more than anyone else. For the ones who just want to live their lives thats still the case. But the entire activist wing of trans-ness or whatever that is is basically all of trans-ness now. Its no longer "thats a brave person being authentic to themselves in the face of adversity" as it once might have been (whatever you think of it), its the opposite. Its chasing social cache (on the internet) for terminally autistic incels. Its the new in vogue thing. Its like lots of the public supporting endless wars after 9/11 or Victorian doctors getting into lobotomies and early 20th century ones into electro shock therapy. Its clout chasing and trendy and everyone will come to regret it later and look back on this era as one of madness.

Personally, as someone who is pretty fucking gay, I find the irony of troon homophobia and "date me bigot" to be a bizarre and unintentional echo of religious right wingers advocating for conversion therapy. Much like how their love of cancellation is a strange echo of the satanic panic/violent music lyrics/violent video games panics the right and neolib democrats used to do.

This was a gradual process caused by trans activism to really change my opinions (in the opposite way that intended activism wants) for a while. But I think my specific breaking point was in or around 2019 when there was a news media story about an Iraqi doctor helping treat babies affected by the results of depleted uranium munitions used in the country by Freedumbstan. Some account shared the link to videos of the doctor trying to save a baby and the subtitles of his words as he operated on a BOY and the posters commentary was a totally unironic "HOW DARE THAT DOCTOR ASSUME THAT BABIES' GENDER??????"

It turned out that very baby died after the operation. The contrast of priorities was just too much. I couldn't pretend to see trans/nonbinary activism as anything but insane after that.
 
Realizing that most of the trans community does not want transgenderism to be seen as and treated as a neurological condition.

Your brain doesn't line up with your body. It gives you gender-based body dysphoria, and it's so unbearable that it causes depression and limits your functioning in many/all aspects of life. After therapy, you realize that this isn't rooted in some other mental condition, so you socially transition and eventually go through with hormones and gender-affirming surgery. And magically, the depression goes away when the crippling dysphoria goes away. Before it was decided that medical studies on transgenderism are "transphobic," there was solid data pointing towards trans people (the normal ones with actual medical gender identity problems) actually being more neurologically similar to the sex they identify as. Male and female brains do appear differently in scans.

Getting people to accept that this is a medical condition, it is treatable, and we are just normal people who want to live normal productive lives as regular men/women in regular society would have been the best thing anyone could do for the trans community. It could've been normalized and accepted.
But then creepy middle aged men with a fetish ruined it, like they tend to do. You no longer need dysphoria to be trans, you can just say you are. And now kids should be able to make irreversible medical decisions without being able to fully comprehend it, and saying "this is bad" is a literal fucking hate crime. Being a transmedicalist or criticizing anything the trans community does is a huge offense.

Also, people can say "I am trans, my pronouns are it/its" completely seriously. And if you say that's fucked up, you're the bad guy. Remember the days when LGBTQ people wanted to be treated as humans?
My exact thoughts. Thank you for this!
 
Honestly I just joined this forum a few years ago to figure out what the hell was going on with various high profile figures on youtube. I’ve mostly just been a lurker and until recently I just thought trans people were trying to live their lives. A few months ago I found out about trans kids and people trying to give them puberty blockers. This set off quite a few blaring alarms and it wasn’t long before I came on here and learned about keffals and people trying to get kids to make their own HRT. This sounds like something out of a nightmare to me and to every sane person I know irl. I can’t imagine any person and especially any parent being ok with that. I just hope that this shit dies out because the thought that kids in my own family could be indoctrinated into this shit is horrifying.

So yeah. Now anytime someone online says they’re trans or non-binary I immediately question their motives. I don’t just automatically assume they’re trying to live their life. This keffals shit has made me look more into this whole trans thing and the more I learn the more upsetting it becomes. The things they say about kids and about women is especially disturbing.
 
If there's nothing wrong with trans kids, why do they need treatment?
The trans kids rhetoric scares me because when I was going through puberty (late 00s) I knew about Trans shit from being online too much but it wasn't so common or popular. I thought I was ftm but never came out to anyone and I basically got over it by the time I was 15. I am now in my mid 20s and I am a lesbian who does not hate my body/sex whatsoever.

We used to talk about how mildly homophobic parents dismissed their kids being gay as "just a phase" but it scares me that we've swung so hard the other way. Puberty is uncomfortable and difficult for everyone, it's normal to hate your body and be uncomfortable in your skin at that age. It is disturbing that people are pushing irreversible medical treatments with no knowledge of long term side effects on confused kids who likely really are just going through a phase. Most of these kids otherwise would have grown into relatively normal gay/lesbian adults had they not been put on these questionable medications by the adults in their lives.
 
About 20 years ago the idea of Transexual was extreme fringe. The people who did it seemed to do the work to try to make sure no one could clock them.

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In the past 10 years or so, it seems to have been taken over by narcissistic, sociopathic fetishists in the mainstream on the Mens side, who hide behind what is called the "trans identity" from any criticism, with men who look like drag sketches from Monty Python.

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I think theres a push from government, pharma, medical etc. I suspect it's considered a new growth market for Beauty, Medicine, and Pharma companies to increase their share profits. They are the perfect consumer, a physically healthy person purchasing drugs and getting surgery, counselling and beauty treatments virtually forever. It's win-win.
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When you come out and say "no, grooming kids is good, actually!" you have gone total war.

Didn't they say that over 10 years ago though?

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I think this will end up similarly to the history of Lobotomies. But with the full support of the establishment, how long will it take?

For Roy Porter, once the doyen of medical history,[35] the often violent and invasive psychiatric interventions developed during the 1930s and 1940s are indicative of both the well-intentioned desire of psychiatrists to find some medical means of alleviating the suffering of the vast number of patients then in psychiatric hospitals and also the relative lack of social power of those same patients to resist the increasingly radical and even reckless interventions of asylum doctors.[36]

Many doctors, patients and family members of the period believed that despite potentially catastrophic consequences, the results of lobotomy were seemingly positive in many instances or, were at least deemed as such when measured next to the apparent alternative of long-term institutionalisation.

Lobotomy has always been controversial, but for a period of the medical mainstream, it was even feted and regarded as a legitimate last resort remedy for categories of patients who were otherwise regarded as hopeless.[37] Today, lobotomy has become a disparaged procedure, a byword for medical barbarism and an exemplary instance of the medical trampling of patients' rights.[3]
 
I peaked pretty much immediately once the push to indoctrinate confused teenagers into trooning out infested Tumblr, which would've been around the early to mid 2010's. Even back then I could smell the autogynephilia from these 20-somethings creating sexually charged posts about self-diagnosing gender dysphoria and ruining yourself behind your family's back.

Despite growing up as a country bumpkin and not knowing much about transsexuals besides what was shown on television about Thailand's ladyboys, nothing could convince me that taking life-altering hormones and reassignment surgery would fix anything. I've also always been super into biology so I stand my ground about how the human body is supposed to work as nature intended, which turned into a point of contention very late into high school with fellow classmates. This entire trans movement was beginning to fuck up that school's zoology class too and I can't even imagine how nightmarish it is to teach it now.

To me, if someone feels that they're suffering gender dysphoria, they need to seek out professional help as soon as possible instead of taking the easy route of getting hormones handed to them like candy or illegally importing shit that's in an anime girldick box. But these types are too lazy and/or sick in the head to assess anything correctly.
 
Being a transmedicalist or criticizing anything the trans community does is a huge offense.

Also, people can say "I am trans, my pronouns are it/its" completely seriously. And if you say that's fucked up, you're the bad guy. Remember the days when LGBTQ people wanted to be treated as humans?
Let me start off by saying I have respect for the transmed community. I can't remotely empathize with these feels, but as a mildly ego-dystonic homo, I can at least empathize with the situation it puts you in.

I had a close childhood friend (male) transition about a decade ago now, through the now-canonically AGP route - too much internet/vidya, not enough social skills, trans online culture and quasi-religious camaraderie suddenly seeming to fill a long-standing personal void.

At the time, I was just coming out as gay myself, so I accepted it and validated without question. He had seemed to be in a much better place for a bit prior to that, losing weight and going out more, etc. so I took the "educational lecture" at face value at the time.

Looking back though, I don't believe that was the path that was meant for him in life. I haven't seen nor heard from nor of him since.

Your brain doesn't line up with your body. It gives you gender-based body dysphoria, and it's so unbearable that it causes depression and limits your functioning in many/all aspects of life.
This is the claim where y'all always completely, totally lose me though. How...would that be possible if the chromosomal blueprint has been honed over eons to construct a very specific biological infrastructure and operating system?

I've heard the brain scan argument, and while CPR certification is the closest I've ever come to a medical degree, I've always been a bit skeptical because I sense that there's a somewhat implicit presumption there - namely, that while some distribution of neurotransmitters may approximate that of a "typical"/average scan of the opposite sex, what's not to say this could only ever be healthy for someone with the matching chromosomal hardware?

e.g. how do we know that such a female-typical scan in males isn't actually indicative of depression or some type of Alzheimers-esque condition?

I ask these questions from a holistic perspective; I hold no animus against garden-variety trans people (my contempt is saved for the postmodern Marxist contingent, whether it be racial demagogues or radical Cotton-Ceiling-spewing sociopaths). I only became skeptical about these issues after eventually having developed the temerity to poke around beyond the contemporary narrative-driven, socially-accepted sources made available on the topic - for example, a 1996 study out of the University of London's Department of Psychiatry identifying the drug pimozide as a promising, non-surgical treatment for gender dysphoria in males.

This leads to what's perhaps the even more worrying point here: given the current climate around trans issues, will there ever again be the academic licensure to even investigate such questions around the origins and evidence-proven causes of dysphoria?

Or has it thus been forever-decided that, as for racial minorities, all negative (or even merely sub-optimal) individual outcomes are due to the vague miasma of "structural social bias" and ghost-in-the-machine "systemic discrimination"? Is inevitable transition the only prognosis moving forward, particularly now that monied interests are invested in gender pharmaceuticals at an industrial scale?

Getting people to accept that this is a medical condition, it is treatable, and we are just normal people who want to live normal productive lives as regular men/women in regular society would have been the best thing anyone could do for the trans community.
All of this brings me back to agreeing with you and the transmed perspective 100% on this point.

It could've been normalized and accepted.
But then creepy middle aged men with a fetish ruined it, like they tend to do.
And this is where we find common ground in the insane cultural war over this topic in current year - creepy middle-aged men with fetishes do seem to be rather ubiquitous these days, ruining a whole lot of things wherever they show up.
 
This individual in particular is what set my Doomsday Clock to midnight.

Even before his starring role in the dystopian COVID response in PA (and later nationally), everything about this guy screamed "subversive Jewish predator" to me, i.e. the John Money, Sigmund Freud type of weirdo with weird animuses, disturbing ideas and idiosyncrasies, and the backing of institutional power and monied interests to do societal damage at scale
 
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This is a risky one to admit, but it's growing up with questionable feelings about my own gender. It wasn't about the whole toy or clothes thing either, it was living with the feeling that I should be a male that I couldn't wrap my head around. My body felt really foreign, like a rental car and I had absolutely no sexual interest in anything. When my teacher called my name I'd get this sick feeling in the pit in my stomach. (I didn't have anything like abuse going on at that point) I'd be willing to blame that on autism to be honest, but it's not like it can be cured, just "trained" somewhat.

But here's the thing, my parents didn't trans me and I didn't immediately die or whatever. It was the early 2000's and we lived in a town with no black people, let alone trans influence. I got the rise of Tumblr to thank for my peaking because I looked around and saw nothing but bullshit. And it only got worse. These kids were faking everything under the sun and everyone was lapping it up. Actually, it lead to a lot of hatred of myself until I learned about truscum.

15 years after the onset, mid 20's, many head checks later I realized I wasn't getting away from it. I'm not delusional about it, I'm not telling myself that I'm a true and honest uwu yaoi gay boi or turning myself into a cut up meat golem over it, or even making people refer to me in ways they aren't comfortable with, but I'm more comfortable outwardly and socially. Like anyone else, I don't wake up and go "yes I feel [gender] today". I just feel like myself. Even then, maybe I'll feel differently someday and if I do I still got my breasts (I don't want them but they smash down. I'll live.)

Fuck the trans community. I don't go anywhere near them. I took a fuckton of time to get to social transition alone, while these same flavors of weirdos push little kids into destroying everything they got right now now now in the name of social media attention and brand deals. I think there are true trannies out there, but it's like finding a dilator in a rubber cock stack.
 
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Like others in this thread, I feel like I’ve had more peaks than an Alpine bicycle race, but here are a few:

1- Reading the stories of Trans Widows on Mumsnet. So many of these women did the ‘feminine’ thing and quit their jobs to raise children, only to end up socially isolated and financially dependent when their husbands trooned out 10 years into a marriage. There was something especially sick about these men attempting to assume a feminine role (albeit poorly) when their wives already played that part and got burned for it.

2- Null issuing his statement after that GC lady (I forget the particulars) admitted to frequenting the site. Don’t get me wrong, I love the Farms, but if normies have to come here for frank discussion then something is very out of whack. This is a site by weirdos, for weirdos and it shouldn’t be the only place where women can voice their discomfort about troons.

3- Pregnancy stuff. Without PLing too hard, it grinds my gears that insurance will pay for what amounts to extensive cosmetic surgery for troons but not postpartum women, even if the supposed end of both treatments is to improve mental health. I’m not an expert on the foibles and inequalities of the Burgerland insurance system and couldn’t propose a solution- all I know is that troons get the golden ticket and natal women get left out in the cold.
 
About 20 years ago the idea of Transexual was extreme fringe. The people who did it seemed to do the work to try to make sure no one could clock them.

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In the past 10 years or so, it seems to have been taken over by narcissistic, sociopathic fetishists in the mainstream on the Mens side, who hide behind what is called the "trans identity" from any criticism, with men who look like drag sketches from Monty Python.

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I think theres a push from government, pharma, medical etc. I suspect it's considered a new growth market for Beauty, Medicine, and Pharma companies to increase their share profits. They are the perfect consumer, a physically healthy person purchasing drugs and getting surgery, counselling and beauty treatments virtually forever. It's win-win.
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it is a consumerist identity manufactured by Pharma and Futurist tycoons. Charles Clymer up there, he was a "male feminist" before he was accused of harassing women, then he "became a woman". So not only is it an Astroturf movement fueled by people like Pritzker (thanks Obama), but it also a movement of failed men who need to LARP as women b/c they couldn't get their stupid political careers off the ground otherwise.
 
This is the claim where y'all always completely, totally lose me though. How...would that be possible if the chromosomal blueprint has been honed over eons to construct a very specific biological infrastructure and operating system?

I've heard the brain scan argument, and while CPR certification is the closest I've ever come to a medical degree, I've always been a bit skeptical because I sense that there's a somewhat implicit presumption there - namely, that while some distribution of neurotransmitters may approximate that of a "typical"/average scan of the opposite sex, what's not to say this could only ever be healthy for someone with the matching chromosomal hardware?

e.g. how do we know that such a female-typical scan in males isn't actually indicative of depression or some type of Alzheimers-esque condition?

I ask these questions from a holistic perspective; I hold no animus against garden-variety trans people (my contempt is saved for the postmodern Marxist contingent, whether it be racial demagogues or radical Cotton-Ceiling-spewing sociopaths). I only became skeptical about these issues after eventually having developed the temerity to poke around beyond the contemporary narrative-driven, socially-accepted sources made available on the topic - for example, a 1996 study out of the University of London's Department of Psychiatry identifying the drug pimozide as a promising, non-surgical treatment for gender dysphoria in males.

This leads to what's perhaps the even more worrying point here: given the current climate around trans issues, will there ever again be the academic licensure to even investigate such questions around the origins and evidence-proven causes of dysphoria?

Or has it thus been forever-decided that, as for racial minorities, all negative (or even merely sub-optimal) individual outcomes are due to the vague miasma of "structural social bias" and ghost-in-the-machine "systemic discrimination"? Is inevitable transition the only prognosis moving forward, particularly now that monied interests are invested in gender pharmaceuticals at an industrial scale?


All of this brings me back to agreeing with you and the transmed perspective 100% on this point.


And this is where we find common ground in the insane cultural war over this topic in current year - creepy middle-aged men with fetishes do seem to be rather ubiquitous these days, ruining a whole lot of things wherever they show up.
The thing is that we don't know. There "cannot" (and sadly, probably will not) be any large-scale medical studies about biological and neurological differences in transgender versus cisgender people, even though that type of research could lead to huge advances in learning how to help people suffering from gender dysphoria (or possibly even other body dysmorphias, or eating disorders). Trans "activists" decided that medical studies are inherently transphobic, even if they are from a well-intentioned place of wanting to help or just learn more about trans people.

I really hope that someday the tides turn, and neuropsychiatric studies can be accepted as a good thing. Dysphoria is hard, transitioning is hard, and having a treatment for it that isn't medical transition (whether it's a temporary treatment or permanent) could benefit countless people.

The immense profit that trans healthcare providers see definitely isn't helping either. These "allies" are financially taking advantage of a vulnerable population and nobody in the community will acknowledge it. It's just as bad as the doctors cashing in on the EDS/POTS/MCAS/etc munchies and demanding hundreds of thousands of dollars for unnecessary surgeries.

15 years after the onset, mid 20's, many head checks later I realized I wasn't getting away from it. I'm not delusional about it, I'm not telling myself that I'm a true and honest uwu yaoi gay boi or turning myself into a cut up meat golem over it, or even making people refer to me in ways they aren't comfortable with, but I'm more comfortable outwardly and socially. Like anyone else, I don't wake up and go "yes I feel [gender] today". I just feel like myself. Even then, maybe I'll feel differently someday and if I do I still got my breasts (I don't want them but they smash down. I'll live.)
Getting out of the tumblr mindset and realizing this was the single best thing I ever did for my mental health. Yeah, I'll never be "a real man" but I don't have to reach some unattainable goal to be happy. Forgetting about my identity as a Brave FTM Transgender Man, and instead focusing on my identity as Vampyroteuthis the human being, helped me love myself and feel more comfortable in my body. I do what I like doing, I wear the clothes I like, I have pursued medical treatments to alleviate my dysphoria but plenty of non-trans people do too.
Something else I eventually realized is that cis people and normal trans people (the ones who are actually trans) don't focus on "feeling like" their gender. Nobody wakes up and feels like a man or woman, they just feel like the person they are.

Other than a situation where someone just starts coming to terms with their dysphoria, I think that any trans person who is spending a lot of time analyzing their gender and whether or not the things they do/like/think/etc are a certain gender or not might actually have more of a problem with societal expectations and gender roles than with their actual birth sex. And that's completely understandable, but you won't get anywhere with solving your problem if you can't correctly identify it.
 
2006 - Somethingawful. When every single poster became a tranny communist and wanted to talk about video game oppression stacks for some reason. I'm pretty sure that was when the Donga Rampa and let's play stuff kicked off simultaneously, so it was a perfect storm of the worst posters in the world. @BlueSpark could prob tell you the exact time that it came out because it was the start of everything peak trans on the internet, IIRC.

Edit: Also, I just wanna add this because I thought it was funny.

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Being part of the gay community myself I discovered the whacky world of trans pretty early on. But there is this misconception that trans and gays get along famously and that is not always the case. While gays have typically always welcomed cross dressing, drag queens, and basically all forms of imitating women in a very circus-y manner. It was when I started getting a bunch of shit for the crazy antics of trannies back in like 2015. The gay (male) community was constantly being asked about the political rights of trannies being allowed in female spaces ect…. When none of us gave a shit and often times AGREED they shouldn’t be allowed in female spaces. As OP stated. A lot of (older) gay men have a very sour view on what mentally ill trannies have did to the decades long fight of acceptance of gay men. Me being among them. Giving children HRT, chopping little boys dicks off, invading female spaces, none of this is anything I want to be associated with as a queer. Yet because of trans I’m seen as “part of the community” of mentally ill trannies that want to feed children bathtub hormones
 
For me it was when I noticed spaces for women becoming more and more rare and i
I resented being forced to allow men pretending they are women into formerly female spaces.

I had a former friend transition and they (at least asked) if they could name themselves after me (they fortunately did not). After they had everything done super fast it always felt like they were trying to “out woman” me. It became exhausting and honestly creepy.

Seeing assholes like Yaniv abuse poor salon workers and scream about how dare they refuse to wax their balls because they’re #realwomen. No. They don’t offer a brozilian so fuck off.

Roe v Wade really hit me hard and to have to read about “what about trannnnnnz rights????” while women are looking at a dark future probably made me peak. I want to be an accepting person but at this point after feeling like my existence/spaces have been made smaller for a men with their dick cut off who cries for rights but is delusional and claiming to have their fucking period I am tired.

It is funny that I joined this page because I was reading the munchausen by internet thread after Reddit shit itself a couple of months ago but I have found these threads to be therapy for me. I have felt like I’ve been choking down so
much shit in playing polite irl that it has made me feel like I was going insane. I don’t feel so alone now.
 
Instantly.

Don't mean to sound intellectual, just the idea of "i was born in the wrong body so i'll pay someone to chop off my dick" alone should tip you off that maybe SOMETHING, may not be right with the fella' you are talking with and you should probably start taking note of how close you are to the nearest exit or police station.
 
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