Off-Topic When did you hit peak trans and why? - Finally realized that trans activism and gender ideology are harmful.

[AgendaPoster]

Literally never happened to me. I went to medicine university in the 2000s in a normal (these days conservative) country. In the 5th and 6th year we did a lot of Psychiatry and Clinical Psychology. In the first two years we did Anatomy, Biology, Biochem/phys and more.
All the info from the university was clear on sex. "Gender" was considered self expression and only an inner sensation or feeling. Transsexualism (which was the only term we used) was a paraphilic disorder to be treated. Intersex was considered a disorder of sex development and outside the normal expectations for males and females.
My clinical experience only confirmed everything we learned.
TL;DR I knew from the start, because I know there are normal and abnormal states of health and being. The boundaries might be somewhat fuzzy at times, but thou shall not use tiny imperfections to deconstruct valid categories.
PS: don't allow ANYONE to lie to you that medicine supports the troonery insanity, it does not. Don't allow them to use intersex people to argue for troons either.
Specifically in the West and some other places (Vietnam, Thailand?) the pressures from either money or activism were so severe that medicine adapted and changed, based on false, inaccurate information.
This must be fixed as fast as possible so it doesn't lead to complete compromising of medicine.

 

[440088]

I used to be sympathetic to them, live and let live and all that. We can't mean to the poor ickle trannies, they have hard lives and we must be understanding of them. Then Rachel Dolezal happened and she got dragged big time. Try as I might I could not reconcile within myself what the difference was between what she did and what trannies do.

But still, I didn't dwell too much on it until the day I read the responses to J.K Rowling's essay. I read hundreds of tweets from trans women sending rape threats/ death threats for an essay I felt was totally reasonable. I wondered why all these so called women were sending another woman rape threats. I had never seen a woman do that before. *Lightbulb moment* Oh right, they are men and they always have been and always will be. Then I found out about AGPs after my peak and peaked again.

The rape threats always get me. They are the most creepy and unsettling to me. Trans women sending rape threats….. I hope this doesn’t come across as sexist. But rape threats are just so fucking….. male oriented. Of course women can rape. But like you said. It’s highly unusual for women to threaten a rape. It’s just so fucking creepy and shows how male oriented their mind is even if they are wearing a dress.

 

[MentorAnnex]

My main one was spending years saying "reducing women to their reproductive function is mysogyny" only to watch every "intersectional" feminist suddenly demand we stop referring to women as such and use words like "birthing person". Because reducing people to reproductive capacity is woke now.

There were more but that one got me on the train.

 

[one_time_user]

If I hadn't reached it many years ago, today would likely have done it. Between this and the health at any size bullshit I am pretty well done with this timeline.

I had a doctor appointment today for getting hormones for perimenopause. Denied. Well, not flat out denied but, because I 'quit' smoking and vape nicotine now I am likely not a candidate for hormone replacement therapy, she has to do research.

How many photos of filthy, grimy trannies smoking and boasting about their titty skittles have I seen today alone? Half of them my age? They stroll in (they could go to my she/her doctor), spend 5 minutes crying about dysphoria and walk out with what I actually need medically- and not one of them is healthier than I am, they have to be higher risk of blood clots.

tophat my ass, I am genuinely sick of this shitty double standard. I actually have a job and health insurance and do everything right. I am struggling at work because of lack of good sleep because of hot flashes etc, have brain fog, the whole deal. How is it possible for it to be easier, actually pretty much automatic for trannies to get what was developed for... perimenopausal women than a perimenopausal woman?

 

[Kate Farms Shill]

The rape threats always get me. They are the most creepy and unsettling to me. Trans women sending rape threats….. I hope this doesn’t come across as sexist. But rape threats are just so fucking….. male oriented. Of course women can rape. But like you said. It’s highly unusual for women to threaten a rape. It’s just so fucking creepy and shows how male oriented their mind is even if they are wearing a dress.

I got a tranny making death and rape threats for making a comment about a professional event where they decided all bathrooms should be gender neutral. The event was uncomfortable for everyone involved. Women didn't want "cis" men in the bathroom with them even if they were okay with ~transwomen~ being in there. Men didn't want to whip their johnson out at the urinals while there were ladies waiting for a stall to open so the lines got stupid long. We de facto segregated by the end of the first day but a bunch of women decided to use public toilets in the vicinity because there was nothing at all stopping some "cis" guy with bad intentions from walking into our reclaimed bathroom and if we complained we'd get reprimanded. I said nothing about the trannies, didn't say there should not be any gender neutral bathrooms, just that making all of the large, multi-stall bathrooms a free-for-all was a disaster. I even implied it was evil cis men, not the gentle trannies, that I was worried about.

I don't think I've ever had a more "that's a man, the person talking to me is a man' revelation than realizing this man was that angry because a group of women found a loophole that excluded men. Because if those bathrooms had been sex segregated, by decree of the woko harem that controls the event, a troon would have been welcomed into the women's room. It wasn't about equal access to a bathroom. It was about forcing us to be made uncomfortable by men in our bathroom and the fact that we found a way around it fucking enraged him. And without even having to ask I correctly guessed that he was behind the decision to make all the bathrooms "gender neutral."

That dude is still employed by this organization. Because of course he is.

edit: just so we're clear I don't actually think all men are evil with bad intentions. I don't even think every ~trans~ person is. But if you think saying "I would like the option to use a toilet that you are not also in" justifies death and rape threats, then you're probably one of the bad ones I should worry about. Juuust saying.

 

[Jeff Bezos]

lol only in america

 

[Princess Terf Bong]

I was pretty pro Tranny until the last year or two, having only had contact with really well integrated ones that I wouldn’t necessarily have clocked unless my Mum pointed them out, both of which are worked on women’s clothes stores. I met a lot of the cross dressing/drag queen type on the club scene in London and thought they were all pretty great - unisex toilets were quite common and they were fun to chat or party with no creepy misogynistic vibes.

And then I came across a few genderspecials at underground parties and although they were kind of quiet, they had a creepy way of sucking all the joy out of any given situation and always needed protecting. My Lesbian friends started getting shit from all directions. They tend to leave us greedy bisexuals alone as we aren’t validating enough.

Then, I started to encounter them at work. I work with vulnerable adults, many of whom need to be supported by same sex staff. I had a visiting professional coming to see someone transfer into a bath safely. Something pinged my creep radar and I asked those on shift to do this with the person fully clothed and no water in the bath to protect their dignity. The next day I got a call thanking me for that as a hulking Troon turned up and it saved them an awful situation on the day.

I also have Autistic relatives and it’s scary to see how easily they can be led by this crap.

 

[Mr Snrub]

Always been a "live and let live" kinda guy, but had an acquaintance e-begging on social media for feminization surgery and messaging people (including myself) directly asking for money towards it. Final straw was them declaring those who don't donate of being transphobic as they are not helping/accepting of them to "become the person they've always wanted to be".

Sorry dear, I don't give a fuck how you perceive how you look, but I'm sure as shit not giving you £50-£100 (as asked...) when the economy is going down the pan and bills are skyrocketing.

 

[Sithis]

Every day I think I've discovered a new final peak of my seething contempt for them and every day they prove me wrong by collectively acting in ways that spur my hatred even further.

 

[Boyfriend Free Girl]

I think I hit peak trans when I looked into the gender critical perspective and found that the troon movement was essentially full of incels in disguise. What I mean by that is how they want to erase women and refer to them as silly terms like 'birthing people' or 'bodies with vaginas.'
Oh, and how they're trying to rope children (particularly Autistic girls for some reason) into taking irreversible drugs and/or mutilating themselves while their parents have no idea.

And they say I'm the incel lmao

 

[Prætextatus]

Hard to say when exactly. I remember when the trans thing started to become very big in about 2013-2014, I didn't quite understand it and definitely had reservations about it. At that moment in time, I was very live and let live. if someone wanted to live as the opposite gender, it really wasn't any skin off their nose and didn't effect my life, so who cares? I didn't really know any trannies IRL, and only one or two online, who happened to be FTMs and relatively normal. Probably 2019-2020 was when it felt like it was going off the deep end for me.

What really began to shift for me was watching how some of these trannies act in spaces on the internet. They want all the attention on them, and everything is always me, me, me. They only care about themselves and god forbid you do something they don't like, lest you end being slapped with the transphobic or nazi label. One of the things that really sent me over the edge were the debates in regards to dating / self identification, where trannies felt like they were entitled to date cis people (generally MTFs demanding that lesbians date them), but also that trannies were under no pressure to identify themselves to potential partners. Seeing them invade LGBT spaces and demonize cis homosexuals has also made things very difficult. I also don't believe in people just being able to get hormones and things without any sort of discussion with actual medical professionals. There should be a legit diagnosis for gender dysphoria before things go forward, one shouldn't be able to walk into a clinic and be like "uwu i wanna be a bimbo with big mommy milkers" and suddenly get put on estrogen.

I just find that things are so black and white today, versus shades of grey. When I was a kid, we had boys who were feminine and girls who were a little masculine: the girls were called tomboys! We didn't suddenly think they wanted to be boys and line them up for appointments with gender specialists for puberty blockers and hormones. We just let them be kids. Sometimes tomboys stay tomboys. Othertimes they grow up and become more feminine. At the end of the day, who cares? It seems like today no one really wants to accept that people can have varied interests without being the other gender. I'm a man and I enjoy some stereotypical feminine things. I'm just a flaming faggot, not a tranny. I'm still a man. I would still consider myself a liberal person, though liberal politics have become a cess bit of cultural politics vs trying to make people's lives better. I would consider myself more moderate now, and gender critical theory has a lot of things that make sense, to me.

Not really sure where I stand re: trannies... I really do believe we're going to see more detransitioning stories in the next ten to fifteen years, and a lot of trans "regret" because it really has become a trendy thing. I swing between thinking there is a small minority that really do have dysphoria and are legitimately transgender, to thinking it's all hogwash. Certainly there are some historical precedents, like the Roman Emperor Elagabalus or the Chevelier d'Éon, but they're all few and far between, which makes me think that dysphoria re: a medical diagnosis, is extremely rare.

 

[AgendaPoster]

Literally never happened to me. I went to medicine university in the 2000s in a normal (these days conservative) country. In the 5th and 6th year we did a lot of Psychiatry and Clinical Psychology. In the first two years we did Anatomy, Biology, Biochem/phys and more.
All the info from the university was clear on sex. "Gender" was considered self expression and only an inner sensation or feeling. Transsexualism (which was the only term we used) was a paraphilic disorder to be treated. Intersex was considered a disorder of sex development and outside the normal expectations for males and females.
My clinical experience only confirmed everything we learned.
TL;DR I knew from the start, because I know there are normal and abnormal states of health and being. The boundaries might be somewhat fuzzy at times, but thou shall not use tiny imperfections to deconstruct valid categories.
PS: don't allow ANYONE to lie to you that medicine supports the troonery insanity, it does not. Don't allow them to use intersex people to argue for troons either.
Specifically in the West and some other places (Vietnam, Thailand?) the pressures from either money or activism were so severe that medicine adapted and changed, based on false, inaccurate information.
This must be fixed as fast as possible so it doesn't lead to complete compromising of medicine.

Never forget that a few years of heavy activism, with 0 (ZERO) new medical evidence or discoveries can literally completely shift a whole medical field.
All you need is true, fearless dedication - remember the troons were very heavily bullied, marginalized, ostracized - often in a rather extreme form, but these behaviors were pretty normal for a society, as there will always be implicit and explicit social norms, including around sex and self-expression.
With all this repression, the troons fought tooth and nail to change minds and society, were desperate enough to spend all their money to participate in SRS medical experimentation, bullied medics, psychiatrists and psychologists to no longer say they are mentally ill/paraphilic, allied with Antifa types to oppose the "chuds" and more.
The minority coalition even managed to infiltrate and bully big tech, gaming, and now politics into almost complete submission in just a decade, which is a surreal achievement.
If we fail to oppose this social current with a similar courage and passion, in similar numbers, we will lose this battle for sure.
There are plenty of remnants of timid medical sanity from the 2010s online. This phenomenon is very recent, it's not irreversible yet.

 

[Procrastinhater]

I just don't fucking like them. I've never liked them. They're fucking weird and creepy and I don't want them around my kids, or anyone else for that matter.
Creepy fucks.

 

[Christmas Leftover]

When I noticed feminists were comfortable saying nasty things to women who thought females didn't have penises.

For me that was common sense. Even if they disagree, why death threats and name calling towards other women over that? It rubbed me the wrong way.

2 years later everyone I knew was either non binary or trans, even my ex. I almost lost my job at the time for making a pronoun joke on Facebook and being a "wHiTe CiS mALe" didn't help.

Til this day there are acquaintances that think I'm a right wing, when I'm a libtard who unironically owns Bernie merch...

 

[rusty shackleford 1]

Kiwi farms was my peak trans moment. I used Reddit for a while and got super tired of the language policing and the way they inserted trans rights into everything. I kept reading about this place like it was the boogeyman and I came for a munchie thread but eventually moved on to read the sideshows thread.

If you can read that whole thread and not be peak transed, you probably can’t read. Thanks kiwi farms.

 

[Tragi-Chan]

I’ve been critical of trans ideology for years, but certain recent events have convinced me that it’s actually dangerous to society as a whole.

- The byuu affair, when Wikipedia essentially admittedly that they were going to ignore the fact that all the evidence points to byuu being alive.

- Reddit making it a bannable offence to deny that there is a trans genocide, even though there isn’t.

- The fact that the media are taking the word of keffals as gospel, even though it’s obvious that he’s full of shit if you think about it even for a moment.

It’s clear that in the pursuit of pushing an agenda that serves a tiny, tiny segment of the population, truth must be denied, and those who control our information are willing to comply. How far are they prepared to go for that? What are they prepared to turn a blind eye to? It worries me.

 

[Jacknife]

I always thought that it was retarded but I never realized how delusional these people were, I also thought that they are sort of able to pass. The image of transgenders in my head actually never made sense now that I think about it, dragqueens, truescum, transvestites and the occasional pervert were all the same to me.

As for actually learning about it:

I was part of r/delraymisfits (RIP) a subreddit partly about big Lenny, a delusional closeted "bodybuilder" who is a giant racist but also exclusively fucks black men in wigs.
Some guy there knew how to make posts in r/gendercritical that were about trannies and got a lot of upvotes and then reposted them to us which led to massive Brigading.

Really childish crap in hindsight, I apologize to all the radfems there (except wotnoketchup).

But yeah, they had some massive peaking material.

 

[JustSomeChick]

For me, I always found it abhorrent, but whatever, do your thing just don’t bother me (In hindsight, as a woman, I should have known better). Then one day I’m sitting in my parents’ living room with my dad and nephew (age 4 at the time). Dad was watching some WW2 documentary on the History Channel, while nephew and I were playing a game together on my phone. Good times. Nephew looks up and gets the most horrified, repulsed look on his little face. The kind of face you make after being slapped. He said to my dad, “Pop….that boy is….that boy is trying to be a girl!” It was that one MTF historian that appears on the History Channel sometimes.

Thankfully, Dad changed the channel, but that look has always stayed with me. Age four, and my nephew knew something was wrong.

Shortly after, a girl I went to college with came out as FTM. Changed her name to Arlo. Started posting all this stuff about how horrible people were for “mourning” her old identity, etc, and it just solidified it. The 4 year old was right.

 

[Procrastinhater]

Age four, and my nephew knew something was wrong.

"From the mouths of babes"
Kids have no filter, at that age he's too young for the indoctrination to have had any effect, he tells it like it is.
I've always said I don't trust anyone the dogs or children are creeped out by. They go off instinct, they don't have the pressure of societal enforcement to make them think the sky is green, or that men are women.

 

[Drive-By Comment]

When I realized they might get their denial of biology to be taught in public schools of enlightened West.