Off-Topic When did you hit peak trans and why? - Finally realized that trans activism and gender ideology are harmful.

[Mary Lee Harvey osWalsh]

2009 or so. I had an internet friend who was probably the biggest attention-seeking sperg I had ever seen. Now, I had already gone through high school, in which for some reason my entire friend group claimed to be bisexual for obvious attention points. So I was well aware of people claiming these things for attention and was already skeptical.

Anyway, the internet friend suddenly started posting all about how she was totally a guy and every one of her posts was about her gender and "lol my friend's mom looked so confused when I asked where the boy's bathroom was! tee hee!" And it was annoying, very obvious attention seeking. I ended up privately messaging her after we had an argument and unloading on her about how this was all a narcissistic grab for attention. I apologized later but she would often bring this up to humiliate me later. I think she's still around and is still trans but she's also a very hard-left Koolaid drinker with BPD.

My roommate at the time was a leftoid lesbian and when I complained to her about this internet friend, she was clearly annoyed with me, saying I was being transphobic - though I don't think she used that word. My roommate ended up trooning out after college lol. But I was vaguely aware of the existence of gender dysphoria and why some people would need to transition and was somewhat sympathetic. But the whole "you must use my pronouns and think of me as the gender I claim to be" really unnerved me. I don't want to deny reality, thanks.

As a fun aside, I remember thinking back then, "Well at least they're not trying to do stupid things like put trans women in women's sports! At least people are smart enough to know that!"

Spoiler: dumb

Anyway, I was and am still part of the Livejournal (now Dreamwidth) roleplaying community, so at the time everyone was mostly posting gay pride shit and very obviously like "if you even slightly show right wing tendencies I will ban you." I only started to see some people claim they/them pronouns at the time but I just thought it was silly.

Nowadays literally every other person in this community is some flavor of genderspecial and likes to play their canonically cis characters as trans because "uwu there's nothing in their canon that says they aren't trans!!!!" For instance, I saw a "transman intersex cafab formerly pregnant" Grand Moff Tarkin floating around somewhere. I just want to do my geeky roleplay hobbies without this troonery. Fine, put dumb labels on yourself but stop infesting our characters with it. I roleplay to escape this shit!

 

[AnOminous]

I searched for "how much fiber per day for (women/men)" because I know the recommendation is different per sex and neither gave a definite result geared towards either gender until I typed in the world "real" before the sex.
Now I wonder if when kids have health classes in schools the teachers are forced to dance around men and women's different needs.

It's great how we've fucked up health information for every single person in the world to appease these worthless abominations.

 

[David Glowie]

For me, the last straw was a couple of years ago, when there was this big argument about the swimming ponds on Hampstead Heath. There's a Men's Pond, a Ladies' Pond and a Mixed Pond. Somewhere for everyone to swim. But the Mixed Pond wasn't good enough for the troons, they just HAD to swim in the Ladies' Pond. So now a bunch of pious women from various religions won't swim there at all.

And I realised that's all they do. Take take take, demand demand demand. Nothing is ever enough. No compromise is ever possible.

 

[KiislovaReloaded]

a bunch of pious women

Sometimes I wish their husbands make a stink. I place my bets that the press would go easy on them.
Just a hunch.

 

[Kartoshki]

I don't really give a fuck about gender identity or whatever. Most of them have jobs that they do remote and I don't have to see them anyway, but I digress. The single caveat I have to just not giving a shit and leaving people be is that I don't want them to be annoying faggots on the Internet. Unfortunately, the vast majority of them are annoying faggots on the Internet, and, unsatisfied with making the entirety of the government and normalfags use their stupid pronoun vomitgender bullshit, they insist upon infiltrating my hobbies to be annoying faggots there. Not all, but enough that the ones that aren't annoying as fuck fun police are the exception, rather than the rule.

 

[Mary Lee Harvey osWalsh]

Sometimes I wish their husbands make a stink. I place my bets that the press would go easy on them.
Just a hunch.

Nah. They'd be "angry bigoted cishet white men."

 

[Norbert the Tiger]

The murderous anger, hatred, and rage I hold for these "people" only intensifies the more things unravel....

 

[Just Another Autist]

I peak transed today again!
I searched for "how much fiber per day for (women/men)" because I know the recommendation is different per sex and neither gave a definite result geared towards either gender until I typed in the world "real" before the sex.
Now I wonder if when kids have health classes in schools the teachers are forced to dance around men and women's different needs.
I wish trannies could just get real.

Kind of a weird thing to lie about but ok.

 

[FarmVille]

I never believed in adults discovering they were trans, ever. Even when I was a kid way too young to be online and the subject came up on message boards, when I asked how someone knew they were female it was always liking pink, or wearing dresses, or some completely stupid, arbitrary shit.

I did believe it was possible that someone could hypothetical be born into the “wrong” body but in that case they would know from a very young age and it would be an extremely rare occurrence.

I peaked in around 2014 when I had a coworker whose unemployed, basement dwelling, anime obsessed loser boyfriend trooned out. I said in passing something about them “becoming” female and they freaked out at me, how their boyfriend had “always” been a woman.

That was it for me. This woman eventually changed her name became a they/them chopper her tits off and got really fat.

Anime, not even once.

 

[cinnamon doggie]

I don't think I ever fully bought into the ideology, but I've been a terminally online autist since I was in elementary school (thank you boomer parents who thought the computer was a babysitter), so I've seen some stuff. I remember being like 12 and stumbling upon pages for "transgender kids", this was looong before the 2016 shift in the social climate about stuff like sexuality and gender. I remember thinking "huh, that makes sense, I guess".

I think that's all it is for the average person. They hear about this "sex change" thing here and there, and since it seems (or seemed) pretty rare and like it actually changes the person's sex, they don't really think about it much. "Oh, Bill felt like a woman and now he's Barbara, that's cool I guess". It was such an objectively rare thing for so long that no one really cared. No one forced it down anyone's throat for decades so no one thought about it.

When it started to hit the news and became more mainstream I started looking around at the effects of the treatments (both hormones and surgeries) and I realized "oh, I guess it's not making an actual vagina after all, plus that guy looks like a man either way". Then the "itsafetish" websites came up. Then I saw how hostile and Mean Girls-esque the online communities got.

And probably most importantly, I couldn't quite get past the idea that liking pink things as a toddler meant you need to alter your body in some way. Why? Is it a social construct or is it innate? Does genitalia determine sex or not? They made opposing arguments at the same time. It all started to unravel for me when it got mainstream enough for people to elaborate on the ideas. When they elaborated, I got uncomfortable and realized it doesn't make that much sense after all.

 

[Wikipedia]

I've always never found the idea consisting of much logical sense. I do believe that gender is a social construct, and if all they were doing is just crossdressing and acting more feminine or masculine I'd be fine with it. But I think cutting off your dick or turning your vag inside out is a sign of clear mental illness. It is impossible to ever become a biological women if you were not one already. All you're doing is fucking up your body and self mutilating yourself because some fetish or untreated mental illness which society encourages instead giving the person actual mental health help. And pushing it unto children is just sinister. Like if you want to dress like a women or be a tomboy, go ahead, just don't be a creep. Its just encouraging binary thinking that you can't express being masculine or feminine as your biological sex, so you have to get as close to the opposite sex as possible to feel yourself. It is inherently contradicting to what they spout.

I guess the moment I hit "Peak Trans" is when I discovered that they were telling preteens and teenagers to take hormones and puberty blockers. For a growing body that stuff can mess you up way more then an adult. Also when all the Trans and Culture war "SJW" Shitters started infiltrating the media I enjoy and putting their grubby little hands over the shit I watch and read. Not because the message is inherently bad, its how forced and blatant it is. We have characters who are not good representation of black people, women and lesbians because all the writers are 35 year old soy filled white guys who claim to be women. Who have no idea how to write to make up for their disconnect from the people they're writing about. Like what does "Strong women, or Strong gay character." Mean in your story if you can't make a good and fun representation of those people in your story. Because you're not writing a character at that point, you're writing a stereotype and a cliché. I think the other thing is when mtf particularly try to infiltrate women only spaces, its perverted at least and absolutely abhorrent at worst.

Also how they control fucking most of leftist media, and how they will try their best to ruin your life if you speak a word of dissent towards their shittily crafted ideology. They detest Hitler's methods but they are fine with learning from Stalin's. Ironic.


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[Baraadmirer]

And probably most importantly, I couldn't quite get past the idea that liking pink things as a toddler meant you need to alter your body in some way.

What's more perplexing is that when colours became associated with the sexes last century, pink was actually the boy colour and blue the girls'.

 

[Bubble Ba'ath]

I am re-peaking for the third fucking time in the past 2 years because an acquaintance of mine made a very moderate comment on the bird site about needing to defend the existence of womens only spaces and immediately got two different rape threats by troons in her DMs.

 

[Lizard Machine Bugs]

I don't think there was ever a single moment for me, but then again I never really bought into it from the beginning.
I mean if gender dysphoria is a neurological and psychological issue shouldn't the cure or treatment be one of those instead of surgical or medical, like how back in the day there was that one German scientist who experiment on gay people by grafting straight man's testicles to them but it failed to make them straight cause the issue wasn't biological.

Especially since it's literally impossible to change your genetics, sex isn't a label applied to you it's a circumstance of birth and no person has ever had or will ever have control over the circumstances into which they are born.

 

[Skookum Jim]

I keep coming back to this thread because as I think about these people, it just becomes harder and harder to justify the continued toleration of them in my life, with one of the prime examples being their eagerness to invade everything they think will get them a shred of attention and sympathy, and in this case, that thing is PTSD.

I do not have PTSD, I don't have anyone close to me who does. I do however, have a foundational memory from one of my teachers, a man who had no business being as based as he was, no business being as nice as he was, and no business teaching children frankly. One day, I think it was a day he didn't have much in his lesson plan, or maybe memorial day, he got to telling stories. Stories of the good old days, of when burgers cost a nickel and you could get hit by a car and since you weren't hurt worse than a scrape, the only thing you and your parents were mad about was that they didn't buy you a new ice cream cone, because it still hurt, and your parents sure as hell knew you weren't going to put yourself in that position again. He then got to talking about his family, and how they were a family of soldiers, going all the way back to the first territorial militias. He had one grand uncle who was a paratrooper in World War 2, the grand uncle survived, many of that grand uncle's friends did not. Some of the things he told us his grand uncle saw in normandy blew my tiny mind, because it was honest to god the first time I had heard what war is really like. It's not like The Longest Day where you get to be a hero and wrest victory from the jaws of certain defeat, it's a disgusting ugly thing where you get to see men have their parachutes blown apart by flak and hit the ground so hard their bones turn to jelly, or watch a man get ripped in half by a machine gun as they drifted down over some hamlet somewhere, if any human has any idea what hell is like, it's veterans like that. Grand Uncle was clearly more at peace with his service than most veterans, seeing as how my teacher knew these stories, and my teacher was willing to share them with us (you see why I say he probably shouldn't have been teaching, some kids cried, we were innocent) but he related to us how just as brave men fought back then to protect us, now our own uncles and fathers and brothers were out there fighting, and you always have to be respectful, because you don't know what they saw. It was the height of GWOT then, some kids in that room didn't really know their fathers or brothers. I suppose he was teaching us something, maybe in a more trial by fire way than even I now would find acceptable, but hey, I can't say it didn't work.

I tell that story because it sets the proper stage for why PTSD munchies piss me off so damn bad. From a young age I had an old storyteller, last of the greatest generation tell me what hell is like, and how men go through it every time we march to war, and how you always give them your due respect, they sacrificed a lot more than most people even know they have so you can live like you do. As I got older I more understood what PTSD was, and maybe I don't have as much of an empathetic connection as someone who has it, or someone who is related to someone with it, but I think I've got as good of a grasp morally as you can without direct experience. So it grinds my fucking gears to see these "people" claim that they have that same disorder too, for the attention and the respect it commands from people who know even a fraction of what victims have been through. These people think misgendering and being yelled at by their parents and being jeered at in school are comparable to watching friends die suddenly and horrifically, or other worse things they won't tell us about. I'm not about to come out here and say anything like that is pleasant, but these fuckers are hijacking a disorder that kills, a disorder that comes from killing, a disorder that ruins lives and destroys homes. These people get to grift attention from fellow sociopaths about how their trauma "controls every day" while people with real trauma kill themselves by the dozen daily. Not only do these people not understand how good they have it and how First World their problems are, they are so detached from reality as to think their First World problems are comparable to a disorder so powerful we've invented whole new drugs, trained all manner of animal, and revolutionized fields of therapy and medicine to treat.

PTSD is the price real victims pay so that their children might know the peace they didn't, not some fucking costume you get to flounce about in for asspats and handouts.

 

[behindyourightnow]

I keep coming back to this thread because as I think about these people, it just becomes harder and harder to justify the continued toleration of them in my life, with one of the prime examples being their eagerness to invade everything they think will get them a shred of attention and sympathy, and in this case, that thing is PTSD.

I do not have PTSD, I don't have anyone close to me who does. I do however, have a foundational memory from one of my teachers, a man who had no business being as based as he was, no business being as nice as he was, and no business teaching children frankly. One day, I think it was a day he didn't have much in his lesson plan, or maybe memorial day, he got to telling stories. Stories of the good old days, of when burgers cost a nickel and you could get hit by a car and since you weren't hurt worse than a scrape, the only thing you and your parents were mad about was that they didn't buy you a new ice cream cone, because it still hurt, and your parents sure as hell knew you weren't going to put yourself in that position again. He then got to talking about his family, and how they were a family of soldiers, going all the way back to the first territorial militias. He had one grand uncle who was a paratrooper in World War 2, the grand uncle survived, many of that grand uncle's friends did not. Some of the things he told us his grand uncle saw in normandy blew my tiny mind, because it was honest to god the first time I had heard what war is really like. It's not like The Longest Day where you get to be a hero and wrest victory from the jaws of certain defeat, it's a disgusting ugly thing where you get to see men have their parachutes blown apart by flak and hit the ground so hard their bones turn to jelly, or watch a man get ripped in half by a machine gun as they drifted down over some hamlet somewhere, if any human has any idea what hell is like, it's veterans like that. Grand Uncle was clearly more at peace with his service than most veterans, seeing as how my teacher knew these stories, and my teacher was willing to share them with us (you see why I say he probably shouldn't have been teaching, some kids cried, we were innocent) but he related to us how just as brave men fought back then to protect us, now our own uncles and fathers and brothers were out there fighting, and you always have to be respectful, because you don't know what they saw. It was the height of GWOT then, some kids in that room didn't really know their fathers or brothers. I suppose he was teaching us something, maybe in a more trial by fire way than even I now would find acceptable, but hey, I can't say it didn't work.

I tell that story because it sets the proper stage for why PTSD munchies piss me off so damn bad. From a young age I had an old storyteller, last of the greatest generation tell me what hell is like, and how men go through it every time we march to war, and how you always give them your due respect, they sacrificed a lot more than most people even know they have so you can live like you do. As I got older I more understood what PTSD was, and maybe I don't have as much of an empathetic connection as someone who has it, or someone who is related to someone with it, but I think I've got as good of a grasp morally as you can without direct experience. So it grinds my fucking gears to see these "people" claim that they have that same disorder too, for the attention and the respect it commands from people who know even a fraction of what victims have been through. These people think misgendering and being yelled at by their parents and being jeered at in school are comparable to watching friends die suddenly and horrifically, or other worse things they won't tell us about. I'm not about to come out here and say anything like that is pleasant, but these fuckers are hijacking a disorder that kills, a disorder that comes from killing, a disorder that ruins lives and destroys homes. These people get to grift attention from fellow sociopaths about how their trauma "controls every day" while people with real trauma kill themselves by the dozen daily. Not only do these people not understand how good they have it and how First World their problems are, they are so detached from reality as to think their First World problems are comparable to a disorder so powerful we've invented whole new drugs, trained all manner of animal, and revolutionized fields of therapy and medicine to treat.

PTSD is the price real victims pay so that their children might know the peace they didn't, not some fucking costume you get to flounce about in for asspats and handouts.

There was one guy (I think it was in the Sideshows thread) who was complaining on Twitter about getting a haircut that didn't suit his non-binary identity. A woman in the comments attempted to empathize and mentioned how upset she'd felt losing her hair during cancer treatment. He then jumped on her for presuming to understand his pain, because how dare she compare her life-threatening illness to his sad gender feelings.

They have created a rather clever narrative by claiming a condition (gender dysphoria) which is entirely unfalsifiable and unmeasurable, and which by definition can only be possessed by trans people. That allows them to claim that their suffering (caused by dysphoria) is far more intense, and their needs far more important, than anything suffered by a cis person: after all, how can a cis person disprove that? They've never experienced gender dysphoria!

Have PTSD after being raped and don't want to see a penis in a locker room? Listen bitch, that's nothing compared to the constant suffering of this poor man who is plagued by dysphoria and needs to be in that locker room to relieve his existential agony. Service worker pulling double shifts to feed his family who accidentally calls a man in a dress "sir"? That worker's stress and exhaustion are meaningless compared to the power of the transwoman's dysphoria; by calling this man a man, the worker has literally committed violence.

(But also don't forget that transgenderism is not a mental illness and you don't have to have dysphoria to be trans. Best not to think too hard about any of this)

And if anyone dares to push back they'll be jumped on and get their life ruined. Institutionally legitimized narcissism.

 

[Mecha-King Ghidorah]

Long time lurker, first time poster and here's a better thread to do so than any. I'm new to this all so if I PL too much call me out.

So through college I got caught up in the usual allyship song and dance because I was already supportive of the LGB so the T kinda got grafted on there over time. After that I got caught up in the budding BreadTube scene on YouTube and the accompanying subreddits and Discords. I was full on SJW for a time, but over time that started to slip as I saw the younger lefties express increasingly crazier stuff. The cracks in the foundation started when I saw people sperging out over CWC's pronouns after the incest revelation got everyone paying attention to him again. I also had a group chat with some of my former co-workers who are just regular dudes and not caught up in any of that online culture war bullshit so I didn't exist in a total echo chamber. Finally, I followed some autism groups on Facebook, and I was shown how autistic people in particular get targeted because they already have a fucky sense of gender identity to begin with.

This place was the real point of no return. I browsed KF on and off because of the CWCki, then the Keffals shitshow happened. All of the hypocrisy and insanity of the trans movement was so perfectly epitomized by Lucas and the #DropKiwiFarms crowd that I couldn't pretend otherwise.

So, uh, thanks y'all. My wife and I got a kid on the way so while I'm worried about this craziness coming after him, I'm glad my eyes are open now so I can be vigilant.

 

[WelcomeToTroonTown]

I peaked in 2015 when National Post reported on Transabled people. I was kind of just going along and buying the “well, it’s like gays” line until I discovered that there is an entire tree of this shit sprouting endlessly into more and more insane “identities.” What difference is there realistically in saying that someone needs hormones and surgery to be their “authentic self” and saying that someone needs surgery to sever a limb to be their “authentic self?” Hell, Canada is at the point of letting people off themselves with doctor assistance if they feel encumbered by existence. This madness literally has no endpoint. Morality is just an imposition on others to this insane libertarian ideology.

 

[سلیمان عثمان]

I cannot say for sure if I have peaked out, I still suffer from a need to like and / or see the best in everyone around me but an element of the current trend that really disturbs me is the relentless pushing of the concept of 'LIFE SAVING HORMONES'
Threatening to hurt yourself in order to get others to do what you want has got to be the most banal and limp form of abuse ever practiced.

 

[Disability Fat]

I peaked three times to date:

1. When the estrogen shortage in the US happened a few years ago. A MTF Troon was complaining about his access to estrogen. All I could think of was the natal women that need those hormones. MTF don't need them to function properly, but women do.

2. The transgender kids dumpster fire. Little Timmy isn't Tammy because he played with a barbie doll. Timmy also isn't trans because of the parents sick need to have a daughter or some special token child.

3. Lia Thomas.

When I think I've reached the last peak, another appears.