Off-Topic When did you hit peak trans and why? - Finally realized that trans activism and gender ideology are harmful.

[The NSA]

I don’t use social media so I caught on later than most. A friend showed me Ana Valens (a M2F trans) Tweet where they describe transwomen imprisoning, gang raping, and forcibly impregnating real women. It was the most upsetting, vile thing I’d seen online and I’ve been online since the Rotten.com days.

It wasn’t just that a lone pervert tweeted. It was that this person was considered a leader in the trans community and others were supporting it. The media enables their misogyny too. A person sharing graphic breeding camp rape fantasies was being hailed as a progressive hero.

What they were describing has actually happened to women during wars, it was sick. If a right winger had tweeted that, they would have been banned and rightfully pigpiled. Then I found out there were tons of other trans accounts just like Valens spreading misogynistic calls to violence and rape. I was a normie liberal until recently but am voting for right wing candidates for the foreseeable future, even though I hate the GOP. Trans people should be allowed to exist in peace but when they threaten or harm others, they should be held accountable the same as anyone else.

Sorry for the long post, this issue strikes a nerve with me. This is the tweet.

 

[Chromeo]

I have nerd hobbies and so end up spending a lot of time in nerd communities. The link between Autism and gender dysphoria is pretty stark so I can’t not look at it as mental illness/neurological disorder

100% this. There's also an upsetting amount of autistic girls who are convinced (By peers and professionals alike) that because they don't do all the "girl" rituals like makeup, following feminine social cues, etc, things that just don't work when you're autistic, they're NOT girls, and because other people are telling them this they believe it and go headlong down the FtM pipeline. So even when your autism doesn't cause gender dysphoria, other people take your autism as a sign that you MUST be transgender.

Either way, they troon the tards and sterilize them all. Funny how that works out.

 

[Fapcop]

100% this. There's also an upsetting amount of autistic girls who are convinced (By peers and professionals alike) that because they don't do all the "girl" rituals like makeup, following feminine social cues, etc, things that just don't work when you're autistic, they're NOT girls, and because other people are telling them this they believe it and go headlong down the FtM pipeline. So even when your autism doesn't cause gender dysphoria, other people take your autism as a sign that you MUST be transgender.

Either way, they troon the tards and sterilize them all. Funny how that works out.

Fucking this.

Tards and especially autists often feel bodily discomfort and a general insecurity because they have a hard time relating to other people and fitting in.

It’s easy to sell them an easy fix like “That’s just gender dysphoria!”

Especially since they’re often fairly socially isolated and a little naive.

Fucking groomer troons.

 

[Smellee Cat]

Sorry to ear that, Is your kid better now, or worse?

Thing is, she’s always been okay. She uses a different (masculine) name online, with friends, and at school. We’re talking a total bozo three letter name. For the sake of anon, we’ll say “Bob.”

We don’t use that name at home or with family/friends, neither do the people in our family/community.

She’s a happy kid, has a nice friend group that she spends lots of time with (all girls), does well in school… so for now we just ride it out without affirming the nonsense. Thanks for asking.

 

[Aunt Carol]

Thing is, she’s always been okay. She uses a different (masculine) name online, with friends, and at school. We’re talking a total bozo three letter name. For the sake of anon, we’ll say “Bob.”

We don’t use that name at home or with family/friends, neither do the people in our family/community.

She’s a happy kid, has a nice friend group that she spends lots of time with (all girls), does well in school… so for now we just ride it out without affirming the nonsense. Thanks for asking.

I really hope this isn't the calm before the storm.

I'm an adult woman who was a weird and awkward girl, but it was too long ago to get a diagnosis and/or get groomed about it. Charitably, I'd call myself a late bloomer.

It's sad that a kid has to think about "presenting" as anything, but this is the age where kids stop being visually androgynous. I mean she's leaving the stage where pink sparkles is assumed female, and dinosaur camo is assumed male. In my experience, it was weird when my body started being the visual determinant; the same utilitarian/autistic jeans, tee and weather-dependent layers, but people could tell I was a girl.

Blah blah blah failures of feminism, but IME as a pubertal kid I never really wanted to be seen as male because I wanted to be a male. I was trying, with my developing brain, to come to the realization that male is default human and female-human is like an add-on. Just realizing that I was a human in a human body, soon I had to figure out how to be an adult, and not only that I had to figure out how to be female on top of that. That's a lot of things!

BBS and Internet hit mid- to late-teens for me but the lesson of "no girls on the internet" went with that: default male, being vocally female meant you were trying to pull something. I appreciate the meritocracy aspect, but it's still a little hard to square that with being a woman who just... exists, same as anyone. It's always smart to have a username that doesn't sound like a girl--you get a lot less random trouble with Beetroot83 than you do with Kitten83--but, like, being a girl should be okay, man.

tl;dr watch out for people trying to push a chest binder on your kid as puberty comes on, and remind her that "not like other girls; I have a personality not just the potential to be used for sex" is a solipsistic outlook and ultimately a reflection of an unfair society that she shouldn't deform herself, either direction, to appease.

 

[Procrastinhater]

What about passing trans people?

Let me know if you ever find any...

 

[AnOminous]

Either way, they troon the tards and sterilize them all. Funny how that works out.

Maybe that benefits future generations, but it doesn't do shit for me, I still have to put up with a bunch of goddamn troons for decades or at least years to come.

 

[LimeRikki]

Maybe that benefits future generations, but it doesn't do shit for me, I still have to put up with a bunch of goddamn troons for decades or at least years to come.

I wouldn't be surprised if we find out in the coming decades that being on all of these cross sex hormones for this long has effects that wind up shortening lifespan via heart attacks or something.

Not to mention I could see a wave of suicides in ten or fifteen years once all of these people with butchered genitals get tired of pissing on themselves and not orgasming.

EDIT: fixed a typo

 

[Muttley]

I can’t tell you when I hit peak trans.
that happened somewhere along the way… somewhere between then and now,
but what I can tell you is when it all started…

and for me that was on August 16, 2014
when a man named Eron Gjoni posted what he called The Zoe Post on his blog
it’s been 8 years, 4 months, and 26 days since everything changed.

Spoiler

lol

 

[Corn Flakes]

I wouldn't be surprised if we find out in the coming decades that being on all of these cross sex hormones for this long has effects that wind up shortening lifespan via heart attacks or something.

Not to mention I could see a wave of suicides in ten or fifteen years once all of these people with butchered genitals get tired of pissing on themselves and not orgasming.

EDIT: fixed a typo

Liver damage, glandular cancer, cardiovascular disease. Bonus osteoporosis for FTM. Pick any number of them.

 

[ShitInMyMouth]

I thought I’d hit peak trans. I really had. The I returned to Twitter after a 2-3 year break after God-Emperor Elon took over to watch the sperg outs and at first it was glorious. Then I started checking in on my geeky hobbies.

Trannies fucking everywhere. Fucking everywhere.

Warhammer 40K? Nothing but trans flags demanding female space marines.

Video gaming? Tranny central.

Those small fun discord groups? Boom, in comes a tranny that somehow becomes a passive aggressive god of the place.

They are even in all my little online friend groups at the edges. I block them on sight but I know that will come back to bite me one day.

Avoiding PL but there is an opportunity to get involved with a group of people I’m friendly with that would help a sideline I’ve got going but also involved is a total AGP motherfucker and I know him and the handmaidening by women I otherwise respect will eat at me until I explode and ruin me.

The worst thing is with this online nonsense is also not being to trust anyone either. I keep meaning to moan to people who seem based but how do I know they don’t have a secret “trans women are women” streak, leak DMs, and then I’m forced to DELETE EVERYTHING before a mob of autistic men in dresses try to ruin my life and drive me to suicide.

At least I’m seeing my IRL friends peak. All except one have quiet conversations about how weird this troon shit is. The one exception has decided he’s left wing whilst going through a divorce and, since he’s never been political, I suspect is a facade used to bang sluts on dating apps.

I just want to relax by playing video games and painting toy soldiers. Why do I even need to know these fuckers exist?

 

[doodoocaca]

[...] but it's still a little hard to square that with being a woman who just... exists, same as anyone.

This is something troons don't get. They seem to think they will "exist like a woman" or "exist like a man" by taking pills, having a stinkditch or getting a rotdog, like life is just so different or better if you happen to be of the greener-grass-having sex.

What the hell. Is it ASD and a bad grasp of theory of mind? Erotic target identity inversion and the fetish factor? Both?

One does not go through life consciously "being a man" or "being a woman", one just goes through life same as anyone. Men don't go "hurr durr I'm such a manly man I can feel my dick swinging I am so glad I'm cis and have balls instead of a numb rot dog", women don't go "hurf durf I have breasts and a crease between my legs and a thigh gap, wowzers, I'm moody, yay period!"

Every new angle I take to look at this makes it just fall apart that much more completely. How the fuck did people get sold on this?

 

[Precocious Halfwit]

I grin and bear it and try to slip in some critiques of gender as a concept, because I do love my friends dearly and truthfully I think a lot of them are realizing it's a phase. I've since distanced myself from some aspects of radical feminism. I love a lot of the men in my life and I don't think I could ever bring myself to support female separatism, for example.

I'm absolutely with you on your entire post, but I particularly identify with this part. I'm not sure if it was one thing or another that finally peaked me but I've definitely felt it coming on over a few years and have had to diplomatically explain it to some of my more liberal friends (they're soft as shit but they ARE friends) as the world beginning to move too quickly for me.

I can't identify as a radical feminist as, like you, there are too many men I hold in high esteem, so I wouldn't call myself a TERF in its most literal sense, but unfortunately I'm now at the point where I give any trans-identifying person automatic distance. As a cis woman, trans women obviously get the most distance from me and the least trust and personally I have yet to encounter any who aren't the stereotypical garish weirdos (mind you, I go to a lot of local punk gigs which are particularly keen on performative inclusivity, so my sample population is probably somewhat biased). Maybe I'm just a transmisogynist!

Let me know if you ever find any...

Honestly, I do know one FtM that passes exceptionally well.... just don't look at his forearm!

 

[Corn Flakes]

How the fuck did people get sold on this?

It's a cult and it uses cult methods.

How do you sell it to people? By offering very simple "solutions" to incredibly deep and complex questions of identity and purpose. Everything will be solved by transitioning, and then changing the world to force it to accept your transition.

 

[Smellee Cat]

I

I really hope this isn't the calm before the storm.

I'm an adult woman who was a weird and awkward girl, but it was too long ago to get a diagnosis and/or get groomed about it. Charitably, I'd call myself a late bloomer.

It's sad that a kid has to think about "presenting" as anything, but this is the age where kids stop being visually androgynous. I mean she's leaving the stage where pink sparkles is assumed female, and dinosaur camo is assumed male. In my experience, it was weird when my body started being the visual determinant; the same utilitarian/autistic jeans, tee and weather-dependent layers, but people could tell I was a girl.

Blah blah blah failures of feminism, but IME as a pubertal kid I never really wanted to be seen as male because I wanted to be a male. I was trying, with my developing brain, to come to the realization that male is default human and female-human is like an add-on. Just realizing that I was a human in a human body, soon I had to figure out how to be an adult, and not only that I had to figure out how to be female on top of that. That's a lot of things!

BBS and Internet hit mid- to late-teens for me but the lesson of "no girls on the internet" went with that: default male, being vocally female meant you were trying to pull something. I appreciate the meritocracy aspect, but it's still a little hard to square that with being a woman who just... exists, same as anyone. It's always smart to have a username that doesn't sound like a girl--you get a lot less random trouble with Beetroot83 than you do with Kitten83--but, like, being a girl should be okay, man.

tl;dr watch out for people trying to push a chest binder on your kid as puberty comes on, and remind her that "not like other girls; I have a personality not just the potential to be used for sex" is a solipsistic outlook and ultimately a reflection of an unfair society that she shouldn't deform herself, either direction, to appease.

really appreciate this reply @Aunt Carol.

She already has a binder which she wore constantly last year (we did not buy it for her - that’s an entirely different story). These days she rarely wears it.

We let her present any way she wants. Right now that’s as Keanu Reeves, right down to the hair cut. We had let our eldest present how they wanted at that age, too, much to our dislike of all black, heavy on the black eye liner etc. they turned out mostly normal and unoriginal (in a good way).

We focus on doing lots of stuff as a family, keeping her active in daily walks with the dogs, seeing family and grandparents often, watching movies with strong and/or gender non conforming female leads (Sigourney Weaver, Tilda Swinton ftw!)

Since being “peak” peaked by TERF twitter I make sure to have frank and honest conversations when appropriate about women’s right and the loss thereof.

Day by day. Thanks everyone for being kind with the reacts.

 

[doodoocaca]

What you're experiencing right now is one of my many terrors that make me second guess having children of my own. I can only imagine what you're going through but I'm at least a little relieved that the parents are sane, even if society is not. I really hope this blows over for your kid.

 

[Procrastinhater]

Honestly, I do know one FtM that passes exceptionally well.... just don't look at his forearm!

Tbf I've seen the odd FtM Ayden that could be mistaken for a manlet, mainly roided out Buck Angel types, but I've never seen an MtF troon that could pass for a real woman, not outside of carefully staged, controlled and filtered still photos.
Even ones like Blaire White who does about as well as they can (in content he has control of to edit and tweak at least) manage, at least before he started to fuck up his face too much with his surgery addiction, he's gone past his "best" at this point and is gonna pass into Pete Burns territory if he doesn't leave his face alone, is instantly clockable as what he is, an extremely feminine (at least stereotypically, another problem troons have, they overdo the "girlyness") transvestite gay man.
Seen in video he hasn't edited and filtered, or physically in person, he's built like a fridge, has a Hank Hill ass and ridiculous bolt-on tits that just don't work on any male skeletal frame.
With a shitload of Testosterone and Steroid abuse, a woman can pass for a manlet if she hits the gym like crazy and grows a beard, ignoring the inevitable medical problems (ask Buck) but men are instantly recognizable.
The YWNBAW copy pasta maybe a meme, but it's 100% accurate and brutally honest.

 

[AnOminous]

I can’t tell you when I hit peak trans.

Tbh I'm pretty sure at this point it hasn't happened yet and I'm going to hate those motherfuckers more and more.

 

[Muttley]

Tbh I'm pretty sure at this point it hasn't happened yet and I'm going to hate those motherfuckers more and more.

im getting there
i used to think that otonoko shit was just for 3rd world retards (no offense to any 3rd world retards out there)

but keffals speedrunning 2000 pages made me realize

these ideas i had about some trannies being cool, were fucking wrong, and that these people are all degenerates who want to groom young people. and that illegal hormones are absolutely reaching the hands of young people who dont know any better, and in countries like the US and Canada.
fuck it, YWNBAW, i hope they all 41%

and then i decided it was finally time to make an account lol

 

[doodoocaca]

Tbh I'm pretty sure at this point it hasn't happened yet and I'm going to hate those motherfuckers more and more.

It comes in waves, and it gets worse every time.