Off-Topic When did you hit peak trans and why? - Finally realized that trans activism and gender ideology are harmful.

[Albicilla]

Those aren't our countries or cultures. We can reject them out of hand, and do.

Third gender exists so men can fuck men without being gay, and a man can dress as a woman and be a prostitute without being killed for being a fag. It's more common in societies with rigid gender roles, because they can't accept two men having sex without one of them crossdressing. It's not dignified nor enlightened.

If you're mentally ill you're mentally ill. It's not an "idea of wrongness". It's a proven theory. People can live how they want but they need the tenacity to live knowing people disagree with them. They shouldn't make demands of normal, sane people.
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Hijra all dress like women. They dress to attract men to give them money for sex. They're some of the poorest, most desperate people on earth, which is why they're streetshitter tranny hookers.

Not every issue can meet in the middle. This is one.

Looking at some research and thinking about it, it appears you're correct on how oppressive third categorisation is (and what that entails in those countries). I think people should just look and dress how they want and leave sex as a physical reality that can't be changed, but doesn't inform how you express yourself.

 

[hufflemuff]

Third gender is largely a remnant of a time where a huge percentage of actual females died in childbirth, which was very recently especially in civilizationally backwards places. The fake females were trotted out for less than a fetish and more of a necessity for horny men who had no chance statistically of obtaining pussy. The actual recorded gays throughout history like the Romans liked teenage boys who had a young face but an obviously male body and presentation.

 

[Albicilla]

If you're mentally ill you're mentally ill. It's not an "idea of wrongness". It's a proven theory. People can live how they want but they need the tenacity to live knowing people disagree with them. They shouldn't make demands of normal, sane people.

I actually forgot to reply to this. I should've been more clear; what I mean about "wrongness", was the wrongness of gender-nonconformity that lead to the treatment being "changing sex" which is something one cannot do, rather than allowing people to live how they wish without having to embody or emulate something impossible. My contention was more with the idea of a "male to female" or "female to male" transition and that being held up societally and medically, and trans people being anti-social because while trying to change the standard, they're still working within it such that that they attempt to strong arm people into changing their view of men and women so that they're considered acceptable. That's why it's considered "violence" to misgender, they don't find themselves acceptable, thus they're either extremely depressed or anti-social and imposing on others.

 

[m1ddl3m4rch]

I actually forgot to reply to this. I should've been more clear; what I mean about "wrongness", was the wrongness of gender-nonconformity that lead to the treatment being "changing sex" which is something one cannot do, rather than allowing people to live how they wish without having to embody or emulate something impossible. My contention was more with the idea of a "male to female" or "female to male" transition and that being held up societally and medically, and trans people being anti-social because while trying to change the standard, they're still working within it such that that they attempt to strong arm people into changing their view of men and women so that they're considered acceptable. That's why it's considered "violence" to misgender, they don't find themselves acceptable, thus they're either extremely depressed or anti-social and imposing on others.

All these words describe mental illness. It's impractical to redefine reality for the comfort of the insane. If they can't cope with reality then they need to see a therapist or be put in a padded room.

 

[Albicilla]

All these words describe mental illness. It's impractical to redefine reality for the comfort of the insane. If they can't cope with reality then they need to see a therapist or be put in a padded room.

I'm not disagreeing with you, I'm more saying that this idea that someone has to be a specific sex to express themselves a certain way and that lie being held up even by medical professionals/ideologues is probably driving many people to insanity like this (but then again, trans is many things now, so there are many reasons.)

The end result is mental illness, but the root isn't necessarily, is what I'm saying. It's why one is seeing a wave of people that essentially are "trans", but still identify as their sex and just don't care (and are more well adjusted, not demanding reality be changed), and ideologues trying to force them to view it in the same deranged way as they do. I actually didn't know that "third genders" included feminine homosexuals until I looked into it after your initial reply to me, and it reminds me of how a requirement in many places until recently (including north America) to transition was that you'd be "straight" in your "new sex". It was just trying to convert people into "normal". It's the continuation and twisting of the same root. If just needs to be abandoned entirely.

Edit: ofc there were always people who were ill enough to hate their sex and want to mutilate their bodies and think they are "true x" from even a young age, but that's rare. A lot of this illness is being manufactured in a way.

 

[m1ddl3m4rch]

You're not making sense. The West already did this by allowing homosexuals to marry. Our understanding of sex roles doesn't need reexamining. We just need to stop importing poopskin pajeets' shit-eating ideas.

and it reminds me of how a requirement in many places until recently (including north America) to transition was that you'd be "straight" in your "new sex".

In North America? We didn't have transitions or gender shit at all until Magnus Hirschfeld and John Money.

 

[melty]

The fake females were trotted out for less than a fetish and more of a necessity for horny men who had no chance statistically of obtaining pussy.

I mean, that's basically what we have today too. If you look at trooning from a detached, societal perspective. It's a sexual strategy for the bottom tier of excessive and expendable men who have no other chances. They can either become the girl or date a fake girl. It's better than killing yourself, maybe.

 

[Albicilla]

You're not making sense. The West already did this by allowing homosexuals to marry. Our understanding of sex roles doesn't need reexamining. We just need to stop importing poopskin pajeets' shit-eating ideas.

In North America? We didn't have transitions or gender shit at all until Magnus Hirschfeld and John Money.

It doesn't need re-examining, no, but a lot of people who become trans have very restrictive ideas on what is an acceptable way to be a man or a woman, and use this as a justification of their transness and why they're a "true man/woman". And of course, instead of changing this idea and realising what sex you are shouldn't determine the acceptability of your interests/appearance/expression, idealogues and medical professionals will uphold this. That's what I mean. I'm completely agreeing with you, I'm probably just not wording myself well.

Also to the other point, iirc, at first, until like the 80s or 90s, you were required to be "straight" upon completion of transition. So you couldn't be a man attracted to women and then transition and be a "lesbian" for example. That's another thing that caused me to be wary of this shit, the seeming useage of it as a form of conversion therapy or making people fit in to society better (but instead outcasting them). John Money last I checked still supports genital sugeries on intersex people at birth so they aren't "circus sideshows", so it shows where his thinking initially lied in regards to both intersex people and GNC people. He couldn't change their non-conforming behaviour, so why not "change sex" instead?

 

[Honey's Dead]

I will say it again as I think I have already.

If you are trans and you think its OK for kids to transition then you ARE my enemy.

I despise you with the fire of a thousand suns. I believe you deserve a bullet.

If that makes me transphobic then its a badge I will wear with pride you fucking scumbags.

Sign me up for the Kiwi Farms Transphobic Special Forces Battalion.

 

[webonoid]

I peaked when I started lurking more on mainly English posters on the Internet, so around 2019.
Every English speaking group or forum that's focused on feminine leaning things like makeup and fashion had trannies that look like a creep and would come off as very stereotypical.
Where I'm from they're aware of their biological limitations and respect it so I was surprised with how aggressive the western side? are with reality.

 

[Super Sober Soldier]

I peaked when I started lurking more on mainly English posters on the Internet, so around 2019.
Every English speaking group or forum that's focused on feminine leaning things like makeup and fashion had trannies that look like a creep and would come off as very stereotypical.
Where I'm from they're aware of their biological limitations and respect it so I was surprised with how aggressive the western side? are with reality.

That's so wild, men understanding that they not only are not women but cannot become women. Absolutely crazy thought.

 

[grimacefetishist]

a lot of people I know from STEM are peaked on MTFs, but which fields are getting people peaked on FTMs?

Hospital LDR staff?

 

[Aunt Carol]

a lot of people I know from STEM are peaked on MTFs, but which fields are getting people peaked on FTMs?

Hospital LDR staff?

Fandom, coworkers in the service industry, hospital staff noticing the munchie-to-FTM pipeline.

 

[AssignedEva]

Things like this:

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The breast milk fiasco with lactation fetishist Naomi was my Mount Everest, seeing that stuff in the headlines again has made me queasy.
It also reminded me of this music video from a couple years ago, "Girl Baby" by Ezra Michel

Everyone in this video (except for the baby and the kid, obviously) is a pooner, in case this wasn't clear. The basic message is cute - "You're still my little baby, unconditionally, just be what makes you happy, baby, baby, you mean so much to me". And the pink/blue and pseudo-1950s styling is obviously a takedown of rigid gender roles. I remember being a bit uneasy with it at the time, but I figured it was Ezra addressing herself. Like, everyone should be themselves right? Not be bound by rigid gender roles, it doesn't matter who you are, you're allowed to dress how you want and act how you want! Don't tell little girls they have to play with dolls and don't tell little boys they have to play football. Don't chastise girls for being too "bold" and don't chastise boys for being too "sensitive", right?
Yes that was stupidly naïve of me, but I didn't think about it as much then.

 

[grenouille crétine]

The breast milk fiasco with lactation fetishist Naomi was my Mount Everest, seeing that stuff in the headlines again has made me queasy.
It also reminded me of this music video from a couple years ago, "Girl Baby" by Ezra Michel.
[snip] I remember being a bit uneasy with it at the time, but I figured it was Ezra addressing herself. Like, everyone should be themselves right? Not be bound by rigid gender roles, it doesn't matter who you are, you're allowed to dress how you want and act how you want! Don't tell little girls they have to play with dolls and don't tell little boys they have to play football. Don't chastise girls for being too "bold" and don't chastise boys for being too "sensitive", right?
Yes that was stupidly naïve of me, but I didn't think about it as much then.

I think pooners have been better at “legitimizing” gender ID than troons for some groups, bc their gripes with ”gender” generally are something initially reasonable of that nature, and they can look like tiny uncanny men/boys while troons generally look like the pervert crossdressing men they are—but it’s so stupid that the obvious pushback of “so why did you transition then, if it’s fine for girls to do that?” isn’t allowed to be asked bc it hurts their feewings. People understandably want to assume the best, like you did, they also assume they just don’t fully understand regardless and so they don’t think too hard about it anyway. If you’re on the fence about trannies and you’re exposed to a pooner who mostly passes ok and makes something like this (still uncanny with this gal imo, never heard of her before. I recognize that Gottmik clown though), versus that Naomi fuck wanting to feed infants toob pus, people are likelier to let the pooner poon in peace and chalk it up to #diversity. I found the whole video unpleasant and don’t like the way Clown handles even a fake baby, and I really don’t care for the song itself but won’t sperg further. Not surprised *the video was directed by a male, I’ll just say that.

I saw a LOT of FTMs selling their lives on Insta and YouTube when I was first into this shit, and though I didn’t watch much—unlike a lot of pooners I knew who idolized these girls—they still were enough to help legitimize the idea of truly “just being a guy” once I had already taken the plunge (needle joke). I checked and two of the ones I remember have been mentioned on the forums before: Schuyler Bailar, nepo Harvard swimmer who completely downplayed bulimia influencing her transition, and Jammidodger, who I know nothing about other than* that she passed well enough over video to seem compelling. Uppercasechase always gave me the heebie-jeebies so I’m sure she’s on here already, maybe even her own thread. Lots of sex toys and social media pogfacing.

Still scary just how many people aren’t peaked by “Naomi”. I can’t say anything else without a-logging. Prison!!!!!!!!!!!! Both sexes of troons resort to crying and threats to get what they want, but him acting high and mighty over POISONING BABIES WHILE USING THEM AS A SEX TOY is peak troon.

 

[Kiwi Lime Pie]

Recently, someone I know who is retired from education talked to one of their former colleagues who assured them to be glad they retired when they did.

Apparently, some school districts are contemplating adding gender identity topics to special education. For those unfamiliar, this would be for students with mental challenges. Considering how many of these students are so mentally challenged they don't understand anything about the world around them, it's outright horrifying and creepy to think someone considers it a good idea to try teaching these students about gender identity and the pleasures of girldicks and manginas.

Any other adult that talked about sexual topics with minors, especially minors with diminished mental capacity, would be rightfully treated as creeps that need to be kept away from the vulnerable. Sadly, this is hailed as stunning and brave when it's presented as required educational curriculum.

One hopes this might be a peak moment for many. /rates self optimistic

 

[gohi_trout]

Third gender is largely a remnant of a time where a huge percentage of actual females died in childbirth, which was very recently especially in civilizationally backwards places. The fake females were trotted out for less than a fetish and more of a necessity for horny men who had no chance statistically of obtaining pussy. The actual recorded gays throughout history like the Romans liked teenage boys who had a young face but an obviously male body and presentation.

I've been hearing that homosexuality in rome wasn't really that big of a thing, a lot of the examples we use are plays and comedies that use homosexuality as a joke.

 

[FedPostalService]

I've been hearing that homosexuality in rome wasn't really that big of a thing, a lot of the examples we use are plays and comedies that use homosexuality as a joke.

This is a pretty good video on the topic. It was super frowned on https://youtu.be/7QVh3kj7CjA?si=fZxVTyYjtBUjnwkP

 

[TruffleSpark]

Even TERFs have this tendency, to be supportive of troons who just so happen to be less batshit crazy or degenerate than most other troons.

To the point where Women Are Human had to call this out.

There can be no compromise with troons, period.

Going through the "what about the real transsexuals who actually need to transition and aren't like the bad transgenders?" is a necessary stage of the peaking process. Unfortunately, a lot of people get stuck there.

 

[m1ddl3m4rch]

Even TERFs have this tendency, to be supportive of troons who just so happen to be less batshit crazy or degenerate than most other troons.

To the point where Women Are Human had to call this out.

There can be no compromise with troons, period.

Going through the "what about the real transsexuals who actually need to transition and aren't like the bad transgenders?" is a necessary stage of the peaking process. Unfortunately, a lot of people get stuck there.

I love this meme. Oldie but a goodie.