Off-Topic When did you hit peak trans and why? - Finally realized that trans activism and gender ideology are harmful.

[Bad Take Crucifier]

I wonder if there have ever been any formal studies detailing the rates of sex offenses among troons? It seems to be ridiculously high.

Yes. The statistics are hard to find because it's not politically correct information, but it's empirically higher than the general population. Male homosexuals and male-to-female transsexuals both have disproportionately high rates of sex crimes. Also, since some places will count troons as women in crimes states, it is literally driving up the recorded rates of "women" committing rape (with their penises).

Furthermore, gays, lesbians, and trans people are MUCH more likely to have themselves, been victims of rape or of childhood sexual abuse than the general population. This is why "homos/troons reproduce by rape" is a meme.

 

[Amber the Hedgehog]

I never really had a change of heart. I thought trannies and "drag queens" and all that stuff was degenerate and repulsive even in the 90s when it was occasionally played off as a joke.

At some point I started noticing people attempting to normalize it, and it just kept happening more and more. I stuck to what I believed and being more involved on sites like 4chan and other places not afraid to have free speech like IRC, rather than social media and American tabloids, I was always exposed to the dark side of the tranny curse more than its polished mainstream media presentation. That only made me more convinced that I (and the vast majority of people up until a few years ago) were always right and reality hadn't suddenly shifted just because some jewish journalist claims that to be the case.

Personally I don't mind drag because it can be done well. Playing with highly exaggerated female traits on a clearly male individual can lend itself to play really fun characters and point out funny absurdities on gender stereotypes and behavior. Then again my first contacts with drag were fairly family friendly comedians mostly interested in making people laugh, not faggy gay guys envious of women getting all the straight guys and being desired for their feminity.

Trannies otherhand need be eradicated. Not killed of course, just be told that they can never be anything but their birth gender and that's just fine. It's fine to be a femmy guy or a masculine woman, you don't need highly dangerous body mods to be yourself. If you get off on imaging yourself or dressing as the opposite sex, it's also fine but it's a kink and should be treated as sush. So keep it in a closed of area with other consenting adults like any other sex act. If you mental health issues, don't like yourself and/or are desperately lonely, it's fine to actually solve those rather distract yourself with this placebo.

 

[Amber the Hedgehog]

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Sorry but I prefer assholes having live with consequences of their actions and so being here to be laughed at. Sweet as death may be but nothing is as good as seeing an adult having a tantrum over being told "no".

Plus the tragedy of vulnerable kids who to groomed into joining a cult or got abused by munchie parents. I would love to see them having change a healing.

 

[ロボ﹏§¤r﹏h¶rœ]

I wonder if there have ever been any formal studies detailing the rates of sex offenses among troons? It seems to be ridiculously high. The very fact that somebody is a troon is probably but one symptom of a whole constellation of mental comorbidities.

Can't give you the stats, only individual names:

Male trans individuals convicted of violence against women & children​

This post is a work-in-progress collating violent/sexual offending against women and children committed by UK male transgender individuals

 

[Windows XP Home Edition]

Can't give you the stats, only individual names:

Male trans individuals convicted of violence against women & children​

I don't know how many are HSTS MTF's but the vast majority of the perpetrators look like autogynephiles. They are already enough of a threat to society, especially women and children, and should be far, far away from society. Most autogynephilic troon criminals are sex offenders which should be crystal clear to anyone here.

The problem is that the average person thinks that an average MTF is just a homosexual male and thus they see them as harmless. Autogynephiles are in the majority and once the paraphilia is brought into the limelight, a lot of people will peak trans and know how dangerous these fetishists are.

 

[Bad Take Crucifier]

The problem is that the average person just thinks that an MTF is a homosexual male and thus they see them as harmless.

I used to think this exact thing, too. I thought all MtF wanted to date a man. And then I grew up and found out most of them claim to be lesbians. It's just being straight with extra steps, but unlike normal men they demand access to women's sports, grants, gyms, spas, and showers.

 

[Hepativore]

Actually, I propose a compromise...while MTFs should still be barred from women's events in regular sports, we could always put them in their own subclass dedicated to troons in the Special Olympics.

 

[Internet Explorer]

then I grew up and found out most of them claim to be lesbians

MtF "lesbian" is incel simping on a whole 'nother level. That's a sweeping generalisation ofc, and there are a myriad of other factors at play (e.g. gender dysphoria, PTSD, fucked in the ass by dad as a kid etc.), but for purposes here: if some guy is that fucking desperate to get with a woman that they will go the route of trying to be a woman themselves, they deserve every comical dropkick to their masterplan that's coming to them.

 

[Bunny Tracks]

1) When I found out what sex-reassignment surgery and everything that comes after it entails.

Slight PL, but I've had to have surgery where thick drainage tubes have had to hang out of me. Whenever that shit moved it was fucking terrifying and hurt like hell. Them being pulled out is still one of the worst things I've ever gone through in my entire life. I felt them slide out from under my skin, and hot blood go all over my stomach, and it fucking hurt.

I cannot imagine having to have one in me and forcibly jam it in my open wound and then jiggle it around, and then pull it out several times a day, every day for the rest of my fucking life which is basically what dilating is.

That is an absolute fucking nightmare to me, and I cannot condone it under any circumstance. It's inhumane. It's cruel. It's horrific. It's fucking torture, and it's all for a fucking lie.

Speaking of which...

2) When I realized they would never truly be able to live like the sex they wanted to.

I always knew you couldn't change your genes, but I thought "Hey, they'll take the hormones and have their surgery, and they'll be just fine!"

I didn't know this wasn't the case, and I didn't know how fucking catastrophic doing these things to yourself were. You can say that's retarded and that I should've realized it immediately, but I truly didn't. I never questioned it because everything I saw just made it appear normal and like it was just people getting the help they needed without any negative, permanently crippling repercussions at all.

"Oh, so and so's trans? Oh, that's cool. I'm glad they're finally able to be themselves!"

"Oh, they got their reassignment surgery! That's great! I'm so glad they're finally going to be able to-what do you mean they have to dilate every single day?"

"W-well, I guess they can work around it-what do you mean they now have a permanent infection? Their vagina kept tearing and-what do you mean parts of it fell off."

You guys get the idea.

3) When FtMs started taking over women spaces, and taking everything women have worked for. Forcing them to date them, taking credit for everything they do, getting themselves placed in women's sports so they can get easy wins, and rob actual women of their rewards for all their hard work, etc. It's inexcusable and infuriating.

4) When I realized a good chunk of them were predators, autogynephiles and we're trying to get kids in on this shit.

 

[Syaoran Li]

Honestly, I'm not sure when exactly I hit "peak trans" but it was a sort of gradual process.

Seeing troons become more of a common thing and finding out that so many of them were autogynephile predators as opposed to HSTS dysphorics was the big thing that did it for me

 

[DiscoRodeo]

Gradual process for me.

Used to be much more libertine, and still am in a sense, but when I saw transitioning being paraded as an easy process, that peaked me in part.

Seeing troons tell kids that "dilating isn't so bad, jamming hormones in your body isnt so bad, being permanently medicalized is fine, expensive cosmetic surgeries with numerous complications is something you should consider" was a big moment there.

Watching troons assault women's rights? Another moment for me.

Having troons scream and call me a bigot when I was even the tiniest bit critical on something that they were doing peaked me a bit more.

Seeing AGPs, who likely don't even have dysphoria, become a main force in the movement peaked me more, along with seeing all the men having a midlife crisis being taken seriously when they wanted to larp as teenage girls ("Who are you to say that they can't try and regain a lost childhood").

Having troons unironically tell me that sissyhypno was a good thing, that these people or kids being exposed to it were actually trans to begin with, and it just cracked their egg, peaked me more.

There's a lot, but its really a slow burn for most things.

The biggest thing to stoke the flame though was at a previous job I had in moderation a certain social media platform. Getting reports of troons messaging kids or creating inappropriate duets on other someone's video, and then having to read the messages they were sending kids was disturbing.

I can recall a case of one person who was reported, who gave off real buffalo bill vibes. He made what I'd call felt woman suits. Hard to explain, but he used to make videos of himself in a full felt woman suit, mask and all, sometimes with cosplays like sailor moon, dancing and touching himself. He'd duet his videos with random teenagers sometimes, and that's what got him reported. Spending days having to examine potential predators profiles, their private messages, who they were messaging peaked me on the dangers that troons and fetish can lead to and a lot of them basically are pedophiles or are borderline pedo and very inappropriate regardless. I'm very vary of AGPs and troons who infantilize themselves and attempt to portray themselves as teenagers, especially on social media. The fact that troons won't gatekeep their community, won't exile these kinds of people or exhibitionists, and legitimize their access to women's spaces or kids leads me to being unwilling to give their broader movement any leeway. They deserve everything thats coming with how negligent they have been at gatekeeping.

 

[Shiversblood]

Ellen Page is going to kill herself one day! And I feel regret and sorrow for ever typing one positive encouraging word about Ellen page back in the past during December 2020. I just didn’t know…I just didn’t know.

Saying the word Elliot Page is murder. You are killing people by encouraging women to become transgender.

 

[WinchesterWhiskey]

I'm not really sure if this is the right thread for it, but James's stories were a good 90 percent of it. The other 20 percent is because I know a tranny in a poly relationship with five adopted kids and living with two other MtF trannies. The one dude that's there is an ex artilleryman. Most of their friends are these weird Brenton Tarrant sympathizers or are "uwu operator" GF types.

I feel I'm watching and living the plot of Wild, Wild, Country, that Netflix documentary about the Rajneeshpuram cult. Those kids in my estimation are either going to end up drowned in the tub or fucking molested.

Why are they always so hypersexual? They even made a free onlyfans.

 

[Quiet Dignity]

Mainly 2019, gradually but with several harsh jolts. Main one that springs to mind is Rogaine Ogre v Vancouver Rape Crisis, I can remember exactly where I was when I read about it and the sense of dread and misery it elicited.

Obviously we've all witnessed hundreds of examples of more egregious behaviour since then. The individual lunacy of these people rarely bothers me these days, it's the institutional capture I find horrifying. Trying to recall the details of specific organisations' gleeful obliterations of child safeguarding can be tricky as they all kind of blend into one, but that Girl Scouts manifesto last year(?) was a particularly sickening example.

Big up Glinner for literally sacrificing his sanity to peak me and countless others, primarily by retweeting an endless stream of sensible argument posted by middle-aged bongesses

 

[Ser Prize]

So found out my sister(who is going to troon out) is now dating a 'man'(ftm tranny). That's the future, folks. Two mangled women cuting off their tits and saying they're gay men.

God I hate faggots and liberals for getting us here.

 

[Windows XP Home Edition]

-For some reason I can't quote or reply to the original post so I'll just put it in quotes below.

"Trannies otherhand need be eradicated. Not killed of course, just be told that they can never be anything but their birth gender and that's just fine. It's fine to be a femmy guy or a masculine woman, you don't need highly dangerous body mods to be yourself. If you get off on imaging yourself or dressing as the opposite sex, it's also fine but it's a kink and should be treated as sush. So keep it in a closed of area with other consenting adults like any other sex act. If you mental health issues, don't like yourself and/or are desperately lonely, it's fine to actually solve those rather distract yourself with this placebo."

This.

I am thoroughly fed up with critics of trans/gender ideology mollycoddling troons and minimizing their role in this mess compared to the "cisgender" trans activists. Seeing people put the blame solely on men or women for "transphobia" and "violence" are missing the point. Nobody asks what exactly was a troon doing before they get assaulted or killed. And as I've mentioned before on this thread, most of them are aggressors and are generally convicted of sexual offensives. The worst "violence" a tranny can usually get is some guy telling them, "hurr durr go dilate tranny" or some radfem telling them about the biology that's "literal violence" to them.

Whenever a "trans" person has done a horrendous crime such as sexually assault a young girl or exhibit themselves in a female-only place, they sometimes get transfered to a women's prison for their own sexual urges. However, there's always someone crying "They're not really trans!". OK then. What exactly does or doesn't make someone trans then? It's either that there are people abusing self-ID or that transwomen are overwhelmingly predators. You can't have both.

Troons think anyone disagreeing with them and mentioning biology are literally "killing" them. They'll use threats of suicide and other tactics to get their way because the AGP majority suffer from disorders such as NPD and BPD. Live and let live doesn't exist with them. No matter how much you try to bend over or reason with them, especially if you're a woman, troons will still threaten you with the worst kind of violence and try to slander you that eventually lead to losing a job or even your home. They'll do anything to live out their disgusting fetishes online and in person without limits such as putting in "hate speech/crime" laws and no platforming people.

Dysphoria is a mental disorder and those suffering from it must not be indulged. Telling Aiden or Anna to wear clothes that are opposite of what their birth sex is only causes harm to those around them, women in particular. Sex reassignment surgery only causes bodily harm and both oestrogen and testosterone hormones are serious health hazards to male and female bodies respectively. It's like telling someome with schizophrenia to live out their delusions.

As for "nonbinary" individuals, they need to come to grasp that they're the sex they were born as and they cannot change that. Putting them into a mixed space are such as a toilet or sports team alongside troons will only put them at risk as the vast majority of enbies are female.


TLDR: People need to stop pandering and trying to compromise with troons and genderqueers because we aren't getting anywhere in this debate by doing so. The majority matters (which include specialists and scientists) and it should remain that way, not a small subset of delusional creeps.

 

[Return of the Freaker]

Gradual process. I used to buy into the "born in the wrong body" narrative and figured (rightly) that trans were a tiny fragment of a minority with gender dysphoria. Then I saw the enby/genderspecial/bunself trend kick off on tumblr and thought it was dumb attention seeking that would hurt actual trans people and lesbians based on the shifting narrative on gender roles and claiming you can be trans if you feel like putting makeup on today.

Then Bruce Jenner trooned out and suddenly there were trans people seemingly everywhere and non gender conforming people were all suddenly trans. This coming from people who had been against gender norms.

A few years later I am Jazz came around. I found it disturbing that a show was being aired that was so intently focused on a minor's genitals and sexuality. This, of course, led me down the rabbit hole of AGP and what transitioning actually meant.

Saying the word Elliot Page is murder. You are killing people by encouraging women to become transgender.

Save the tomboys

 

[I'm Retarded?]

sorry if this is a little incoherent, this is kind of a stream-of-consciousness dump of a lot of shit I haven't been able to openly talk about anywhere else.

being extremely online, I remember the early days when shit like genderqueer, demisexual etc were all part of the Tumblr peanut gallery and mainly featured on blogs with people making rant posts detailing how others are v inconsiderate that their vampire headmate is triggered by discussion about pooping because xe is undead and envious of the living's ability to shit. and I thought all it was ever going to be. I didn't ever really have any personal interaction with any members of the nu trans community because good lord why would you let any of those drama hounds into your friend group. I had brief encounters with a few of them on MMOs but they almost immediately got themselves driven out of any community I was in just by sheer virtue of being insufferable.

then one of my high school friends went trans. and this guy was like, he had been through some shit. his family were all super strict evangelicals and when he originally came out as gay they told him to get the fuck out and never come back. he moved in with some guy he met in WoW who ended up abusing him, and so on and so on, he went through the damn ringer. but also, this guy was a nuclear level perv. even back in HS, as he revealed to me later, he was playing on an ERP server whoring himself out as a dickgirl e-slut (and made good money doing it, lol), and that always kind of struck me as a weird thing to do if you're just conventionally gay. when he came out as trans, everything suddenly clicked into place for me - he's a classic case of AGP. and yet that's something he's never really denied. he actually does cam work as a dickgirl now (and apparently makes good money doing it, lol). he was one of my best friends in HS and I've always had a soft spot for this guy, and I never want to disrespect him. he's pretty on the level about his situation and doesn't try to make it more than it is. and I respect the brutality he's gone through to be who he is - just another weirdo on the internet like the rest of us.

but then, one of my other high school friends went trans. and this guy, he's been straight and married for over 10 years. he and his wife were talking about having kids. he's the straightest and most manly-nerdy guy I know. and when he came out to me, and me alone initially, because he trusted me deeply with his secret, I thought, what's the real harm ultimately? my argument was, if we had the technology to switch people instantly, perfectly, and reversibly between biologically male and female bodies, wouldn't this all be moot? who wouldn't try on a pussy for a day just to see what it's like? and yet, when I asked him how he came to this decision, he pointed me to one of those fuckin egg subreddits. the kind that's all AGP shit couched like "if you've ever seen a female version of yourself and you thought it was hot you're subconsciously trans". and the more I looked at the memes, and the more I thought about it, the more I felt like this dude had been led down a bad road by a bunch of internet freakshows. cause he's another one that grew up super evangelical. I always got a vibe from him that was like, not so much mega repressed as a little autistic and clueless? like there are possibilities in life he wasn't aware of and hadn't prepared himself for. kind of naïve. that sort of thing. and again, though I've only had a distant connection with this guy since we graduated, he's always been one of my most treasured friends. and watching him uproot his entire life, his marriage, his friend circle, calling every relationship he has into jeopardy because of some bullshit he saw on the internet? it really rubs me the wrong way. his parents probably disowned him. his wife might divorce him, and goodbye any chance at having a kid, since he's doing the full-bore hormone treatment and everything. not to mention, this is something I would never say to his face, but there's absolutely no way he'll ever pass for a woman. he's a super tall bony dude with a big ass jaw, the best he can ever hope for is looking like a man in a dress. and this is what he's dooming himself to, because he's searching for something, and what he found was some idiots on the internet trying to convince him he's actually been a woman on the inside all this time. and right out of the gate, as soon as the concept of "trans" is invoked, the cultural expectation is such that trying to discuss this concept with him in any way instantly makes me an irredeemable piece of shit.

normally I'd disagree with the idea of posting on the internet as "dangerous" or something that needs to be curtailed. to me that seems backwards - people are gonna believe what they're gonna believe and post accordingly. there's no critical mass of posting that will shift any aspect of culture one way or another, i.e. posting about Hitler doesn't make Nazis out of people who weren't already going to go down that route. the poster makes the posting, not the other way around. but there's something about this line of bullshit we're all expected to agree on - that MTFs are real women, and that all trans people are legitimate, and if you assert that somebody is being pulled down the trans route because they're having a crisis of identity and it's been hammered into their brain that being uncomfortable with who you are could mean you need to turn your dick inside out to be happy, that means you're actually a transphobic piece of shit who's Erasing Their Lived Experience or whatever - that feels like another one of those ways to railroad people into certain convenient modes of thought by dangling an in-group in front of them. and the more I see shit like those idiot twitter slapfights over whether it's transphobic for lesbians to refuse to date MTFs because girl penis isn't the same thing as guy penis, or pictures of what is clearly a man in a bikini smothered in comments like ♥♡ WOW U R SO BEAUTIFUL!!! ♡♥, or people ferociously asserting that misgendering fucking Chris-chan is a despicable act that hurts the entire trans community, the more I sour on nu trans culture as a whole, and the more I wish all of that discussion had just stayed on fucking Tumblr next to the adult-aged autists ferociously shipping characters in children's cartoons, or discussing the made-up people in their head who each have a unique litany of self-diagnosed psychological problems.

 

[hazydaze]

I remember the start of my annoyance with transgenderism came from seeing so many women on instagram and twitter identify as such things like non-binary or being comfortable with any pronouns yet looking like the most feminine ladies I've ever seen who were very comfortable with being female (so e-girls, "titty streamers", the like).

It was always weird to see them get ass mad about not being called anything but 'she' when they don't give people a reason to address them as anything else? Like, most of their pictures consists of lingerie, high heels and flowy dresses, cosplays of whatever waifu is hot and popular with the anime crowd at the moment and selfies with an obvious focus on their boobs... I am sorry but none of that screams "man" or even androgyny to me.

Despite the slight annoyance though I was still trying my best to be supportive of the transgender movement.

However, once they started involving kids in this, I think that was when I began to really think about how gross this entire thing is.

Spoiler: PL, but I think it's relevant.

I couldn't help but to draw from my own life experience from this one.

When I was a 15 y/o girl, I hated my body (not unlike a lot of teenagers) but one thing I really couldn't stand was my height. Being a tall girl felt weird to me because I felt dainty and delicate inside and yet my peers kept assuming I was into rough things like basketball and such. There was always this dissonance between what I felt inside and what others assumed of me simply from being tall.

There was a point in my life where I thought the best way to escape this was to become a boy. Now, at the time, it wasn't so easy to change yourself through hormones or SRS so a lot of the illusion came from how well you could hide your curves and a short haircut. But because of the inaccessibility of such things, I was able to grow up from the phase within two years and now as a young adult I feel comfortable with being a natal woman and extremely thankful that I couldn't get anything that would rob me of my womanhood.

Also, I was really into yaoi at the time so it was exciting to become the " kawaii uke" and live out that fantasy lol

With that being said, I think it's easy to see that most of the kids who are getting suckered into this nonsense are either too damn young to consent (literal babies who aren't even 13 years old yet) or teens who feel that having specific physical traits or interests makes you less of a woman or man-- something that you'd grow out of once you go away from the limited scope of high school and actually experience the world. Or they simply just want to be interesting without having to develop an actual skill-- just like their transgender adult counterparts!

It's also easy to see that this is nothing more than a fetish for men who think they are women. I don't think I have to elaborate too much on this one, they love to prove this to us over and over again every single day.

 

[Aunt Carol]

There was a point in my life where I thought the best way to escape this was to become a boy. Now, at the time, it wasn't so easy to change yourself through hormones or SRS so a lot of the illusion came from how well you could hide your curves and a short haircut. But because of the inaccessibility of such things, I was able to grow up from the phase within two years and now as a young adult I feel comfortable with being a natal woman and extremely thankful that I couldn't get anything that would rob me of my womanhood.

Misfit teenage girls having unsupervised access to "gender-affirming care" is like misfit teenage boys having unsupervised access to firearms.

So many adults can look back on and realize that the only reason we didn't completely change the trajectory of our lives was because the option just didn't exist. Growing up with a big "reset" button in your peripheral vision, and of course they couldn't label it that if it didn't work, right?