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Yeah, I mean, I'm not saying I use my shyness as a crutch, or as an excuse not to be successful in life. I do socialize and talk to people, it just takes more effort for me than for people who aren't shy, and sometimes it is really really difficult. Some days I'm in really bad form and I find it impossible to overcome that hurdle, but those days are thankfully becoming less and less frequent for me.

And that's the thing: shyness is a hurdle, not a dead end. It can be overcome, but for some people it will take more effort.
 
Himawari said:
Yeah, I mean, I'm not saying I use my shyness as a crutch, or as an excuse not to be successful in life. I do socialize and talk to people, it just takes more effort for me than for people who aren't shy, and sometimes it is really really difficult. Some days I'm in really bad form and I find it impossible to overcome that hurdle, but those days are thankfully becoming less and less frequent for me.

And that's the thing: shyness is a hurdle, not a dead end. It can be overcome, but for some people it will take more effort.

Exactly. What matters is attitude.
 
wheat pasta said:
I think all of the Wizards need friends and that our boards crossing paths was no accident.
FREE COOKIES FOR EVERYONE WHO VISITS THE WIZCHAN/CWCKI FORUM MEETUP :D

Ah, er, sorry. Got a little carried away.. I'm just a normie slut(who's never actually dated a guy ever) anyway :(
You filthy whore. I bet you get off to crushing the heart of a nice guy like me. :ween:
 
You know, I actually find myself wanting to help these people. They're so depressed they've accepted it as a way of life, and as someone who has several people with mental illness in my family it's always tough to see. They just need a lot more help than anyone can give them (the changes within are perhaps the most important ones), and of course as other people have said, they'd need to want the change in the first place. Sad times all around. :/


exball said:
You filthy whore. I bet you get off to crushing the heart of a nice guy like me. :ween:

Damn, I never even realized. I ought to change my name to Heartbreak Pasta.
 
Himawari said:
Yeah, I mean, I'm not saying I use my shyness as a crutch, or as an excuse not to be successful in life. I do socialize and talk to people, it just takes more effort for me than for people who aren't shy, and sometimes it is really really difficult. Some days I'm in really bad form and I find it impossible to overcome that hurdle, but those days are thankfully becoming less and less frequent for me.

And that's the thing: shyness is a hurdle, not a dead end. It can be overcome, but for some people it will take more effort.


You can do it. And we are here for you.
 
wizard_diplomat said:
You attract mates because you are being yourself and what you are is attractive (and I don't mean looks [alone]).

I am unattractive to the opposite sex. It's the fact that who I am as an individual, as a personality, at the core of my being, is unattractive to women.

And who am I? I am a person who is a mute. Fears people. And only wants sex. These are things women hate. They hate men who are quiet (and I am COMPLETELY quiet). They hate it when they only want sex. They hate cowards.

I can't change these things about myself without lying and putting on a false mask. Therein lies the conundrum. I desire something from the opposite sex: sex. Yet I'll never obtain it without being fake.

Excuse this analogy, but I am like the ugliest woman on earth who no man wants to bone. And it is very difficult for her to change her looks. So she will suffer loneliness and no one to have her children and hold her at night
The difference is that my pain stems from sexual lust. I can survive no relationship and no children but I EXTREMELY desire sex. Prostitutes don't offer real intimate sex...it is fake.

I want sex without strings yet also I want real sex where the person cares about me. But that is impossible because women hate shy men and so my desire will never be fulfilled. I am realistic. Unlike some of my brothren who turn this realization into a hate towards women, I just accept it apathetically (but of course I resent it....maybe the same way women resent the fact that men are biologically wired to think about women's physicality?).

Still think changing my attitude is the right thing? Change my attitude about being true and authentic? Is this what you're saying to me? If it is then I agree with you. You can be yourself and be liked, but I have to fake it. Maybe I should do that?
/long post

TL;DR: I'm shy. Women don't want sex from shy men. I can't change this about myself (without being fake and going against my true nature). Thus, my desire for true sexual reciprocation will never be fulfilled (despite sex workers being an option).

Just like to say that my boyfriend has pretty chronic social anxiety and it's particularly bad when talking to women or doing public speaking. When I say chronic I mean he has an over-active gag reflex and when extremely nervous he dry heaves. So women hating shy men really isn't true. I also would like to say I'm not some uber-butter face either.

What happened with us - we met on a mutual interest site online (not a dating site) and realised we lived very close to each other. Because our conversations started via written text he found it easier to talk, then we talked on skype and then met at a local tea shop. He'd told me about his anxiety before hand so I was pretty prepared.
 
Gonna throw my experiences out here.

it's not hard to not be shy.

This is an extremely unhelpful view to people who suffer from shyness and social anxiety.

I've been extremely shy ever since I can remember, but no one would guess it from how far I've come. My shyness and anxiety around others comes from living my very earliest years in an extremely abusive household and later a one where people were usually yelling and arguing with each other. Being a sad little girl who knows she has no voice does very damaging things to your psyche. To compound that, I lived in a not-so-good neighborhood where other kids sometimes mimicked their not-so-good parents. I'll leave it at that.

Around the time I was ten I was diagnosed with depression, we moved, and I lost the friends I did have. My social anxiety worsened to the point where I didn't have the confidence to make any more. I'd call my anxiety by that point "severe" in the sense that crowded rooms usually resulted in panic attacks and vomiting. If you caught me then and just told me "just stop being shy" I probably would have started crying.

I can't write about how I eventually came out of that and how it's still an on going process. That would take a very, very long time. Today I take leadership roles, speak in front of large audiences with great enthusiasm, and have many good friends. I didn't get here on my own, though, I had help and I wouldn't be anywhere without it. I attended an alternative high school with great role models for teachers who genuinely cared about me, a loving family (even if they were stressed out and didn't always understand what I was going through) and slowly some actual peers I wanted to call friends.

Here's the thing I doubt wizards and the like get though: you open yourself up for that first. Just a little bit.

When I was 16 I was very depressed, I felt like I was worthless and going nowhere and I was very distrustful towards my peers. But the door opened for me when I met some teachers whose compassion reached me and I decided that maybe I would try do well in what very little schoolwork I had. It went from there to here, four years later.

Now that I've been established as someone who for most of their life has been shy and socially anxious, I'd like to talk about talking to people and making friends.

It. Takes. Practice.

There are no two ways around this. You do not get good at talking to people by sitting in your room and hating the world. If you're not comfortable talking with your peers, talk to someone older and more mature. That's what I did and what I still prefer doing to be honest, but it's how you build confidence in socialization. Online socialization is great, no doubt about it, I had some friends online during the years I had none in real life. However, I haven't been at socializing regularly in person for really long and those years without did take a toll (I have to practice being as articulate as I want to be on the spot and my body language and tone aren't that animate) Not autistic or anything, just out of practice.

TL;DR: As someone with experience, you cannot just get over being shy/socially anxious but it is COMPLETELY POSSIBLE to overcome it so it doesn't affect your quality of life. Do not be a chronic victim.

Phew...I think I've gone on long enough for one post.
 
wizard_diplomat said:
I feel at home with these folk because no one else empathizes with this virginal pain and NO HOPE of losing it.

I know the Wizardchan Diplomat is likely gone and has sulked back to his website but this is something that really stuck out to me with his statement. That he has "no hope" of losing his virginity. Because it's something I said to someone a long time ago.

There's a phrase I've repeated to myself for years after high school. It is "If you are unwilling to fail you are undeserving of success". If you look at any skill, be it learning how to play guitar, learning how to cook or even learning how to talk to girls, every method is usually the same. Which is fail at it continuously. You cannot learn how to do a guitar solo without failing strumming it over and over. What failure does is it teaches you how to be better. Your brain adapts and it tries harder each time, and when it does it gets better and better.

I'm going to be blunt and I know a lot of female users on this forum are probably going to disagree but girls are attracted to confidence. They want men that aren't going to buckle down and give up fleetingly. If you go to a prostitute and just get it over with what you're going to find is that the act of having sex is going to feel really awkward and you're going to feel extremely disappointed for years afterward. It wasn't about crossing the finish line, it was getting strong enough to walk there.

This is something I did myself that made me learn objectivity and made me take critiscm. I talked to a girl, asked her out and got rejected. Then I described everything I liked about her on a piece of paper. I then described every reason she would have as to why she wouldn't wanna go out with me (and it took the rest of the page). Then I crossed out everything I couldn't physically change, and arranged everything I could on another piece of paper.

Then I arranged goals for myself, how I was going to improve myself. Whether it be a shitty voice or being scared to ask the girl out, and I deliberately tried doing those things over and over. I asked girls out numerous times and I tried singing, and more importantly failure taught me things. It taught me confidence and it taught me self respect. Because after recognizing my flaws I was able to be put on the road to get over them. When I asked girls out I didn't even care about an answer, I just wanted to tell myself "I did it and it wasn't hard". I'm still not even off that road and there's still numerous things I want to improve about myself. Another thing I used to do was I would write down negative thoughts about myself and put them into a jar, and then I would wait about a week when I was in a particularly good mood and I'd read them intentionally to try and laugh at them. What I was doing was I was trying to associate my negative thoughts with laughter. If I thought I was worthless I would laugh, if I thought I'd always fail I would laugh.

Most importantly don't let anyone stand in your way. This was a problem I would have in that my parents would be increasingly negative toward my chances to do anything. The most important mindset you want to be is not an emotional one, but one where you are prepared to fail. You are prepared to never get a job, you are prepared to never have sex. You are prepared to fail and fail for the rest of your life. But you keep trying, and you keep learning, because the one thought going through your head is telling the person who said "You can't""I did"

Just because you cannot see the finish line doesn't mean it isn't there. Social skills like talking to girls and making friends are exactly like every single other skill. You need to put effort into it, and you need to be willing to learn from your mistakes and fail. Because eventually when you get good at failure you understand how to properly succeed, what sorts of things women like to hear, how to talk to people, how to ask a girl out, and it becomes second nature to you.
 
Slight correction, women are attracted to bearded men.
 
Surtur said:
Slight correction, women are attracted to bearded men.

Surtur just because you have a beard of manliness and a flaming sword doesn't mean all Wizards should immediately grow beards. They also need to lose weight and get jobs so that the beard works in their favor.
 
Dr. Cuddlebug said:
I'm going to be blunt and I know a lot of female users on this forum are probably going to disagree but girls are attracted to confidence.

I would be very surprised if there was a girl who disagreed with that...
 
Niachu said:
Dr. Cuddlebug said:
I'm going to be blunt and I know a lot of female users on this forum are probably going to disagree but girls are attracted to confidence.

I would be very surprised if there was a girl who disagreed with that...
Secretly they all like money and abs.
 
I've read about these guys and loveshies. If I knew about them years ago, I'd have nonstop rage explosions over the fact that these douchebags exist, haha. But by the time I learned they existed, I had chilled out quite a lot and realized that some things and "people" are completely invalid and worthless.

Anyway, there are things that I know for a fact that I will not ever be able to have. Know what I did about it? I accepted the way things are, and the cards I got dealt. And then I masturbated as much as was necessary.

These guys can't go more than 4 days tops without jerking off. If they do that so much, why ARE they so obsessed with sex? Is there no refractory period for these people? They say they ARGH HATE HATE HATE HAAAATE!!!! women, but their lust is all they ever talk about. But they have hands, they have "inspiration", they have imagination (with which they create pieces of text that probably shouldn't exist), they obviously don't need women.

Whenever I want something I can't have, I know what I have to do, then I find something else to do. Sometimes I get very "distracted" and I have to do what I need to do, so I can actually use my goddamn brain for things that matter. Plus, I get to feel good.

Such a simple problem to fix. I just don't know what their deal is.
 
Niachu said:
Dr. Cuddlebug said:
I'm going to be blunt and I know a lot of female users on this forum are probably going to disagree but girls are attracted to confidence.

I would be very surprised if there was a girl who disagreed with that...

I've met a lot of women with completely different opinions as to what they want.

hm yeah said:
Such a simple problem to fix. I just don't know what their deal is.

They have all these problems in life and think that just fucking a girl will spontaneously fix all of them.
 
i didn't mean to offend. i have struggled with anxiety myself. but i should have used my complete mantra in that quote. "it's the easiest thing in the world, but it's also the hardest". it's extremely simple to turn yourself around. you just do it. you know who you are and you know your own limits. you know where you will feel comfortable and you have to realize what to do to overcome it. and it's the hardest thing because anxiety and depression do become physical. it's extremely tough to motivate yourself in order to overcome feeling like death.
i dunno if it makes any sense to anyone else (i hate rambling). but i speak in those terms and i phrase it bluntly only because that is how i motivate myself.
 
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Dr. Cuddlebug said:
hm yeah said:
Such a simple problem to fix. I just don't know what their deal is.

They have all these problems in life and think that just fucking a girl will spontaneously fix all of them.
Whaaat! But fucking a girl fixed all of Chris' problems. :o
 
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