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Heinrich Maneuver said:
Reminded me of this author who wrote an ABO jesus mpreg novel (
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Of course she looks like that. The fujoshi eyes are something to behold.

Heinrich Maneuver said:
The 'Closed Door' romances (ie no sex, or fade to black) are growing in popularity but are still somewhat fringe, I imagine that will be the next trend to show how Wholesome you are as an author once everyone gets sick of the amount of open mastubatory BookTok posting.
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Nah, I think this is becoming a thing more because these types of authors hate criticism of any kind, but especially criticism towards their shitty smut scenes that the authors totally didn't but actually did jill to while writing. You got videos and posts and the like of people mocking the sex scenes and degeneracy in these books, and while there's no such thing as bad publicity, these women originated from fanfiction and still have the thin skin of being an amateur hobbyist. They can't have an echo chamber to ignore the "flamers and haters" or do a "Don't like? Don't read" or "Dead dove don't eat" tag for their published books no matter how hard they try on BookTok and Goodreads.

"Closed Door" romance? Bitch please, that's just them sulking back to the age-old strategy of "Use your fucking imagination" while living in denial that they actually suck at writing sex. FFS it used to be common knowledge that non-Harlequin writers avoided writing sex scenes not because they felt uncomfortable or because publishers were prudes, but because it's really difficult to write convincingly due to how much actually goes on during the act. Sex scenes are action scenes and should be approached as such, and hilariously enough, action scenes are another thing writers will have trouble writing due to choreography and timing, yet that doesn't stop them from writing them and finding shortcuts. The only shortcut to sex that's universally agreed upon and doesn't make someone cackle in amusement (or even bewilderment) is "fade to black" even though covering it up with flowery language was the way to go. Problem is, we live in the age of the Internet, and TV Tropes "helped" to kill the purple prose because it made people too self-conscious.

Anyway, there's still going to be plenty of shitty smut and shitty narratives to laugh at regardless. The "fade to black" at least will act as a cushion to the inevitable blow of "Your story sucks" since it's becoming more obvious these authors are only writing sex to make up for the lack of an engaging plot.
 
Heinrich Maneuver said:
She rarely actually posted content for her series, ie characters or plot points. Her whole tiktok is mostly vague aesthetics for the 'novel'. She wanted to be a big name attached to a BIG series (like Rowling who is forever attached to her creation) rather than actually writing a novel for the enjoyment and satisfaction of writing. Goodreads is also allegedly purging bad reviews for the novel. There are also a few allegations that some of the writing from the first original book 'Zodiac Turner' was directly lifted from Twilight however I am still searching for screenshots.
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After having time to sit down and sift through the post mortem of this entire situation, I can safely say that the entire situation is insane.

I will admit that it is funny how many people went out and bought her book without even reading a snippet of it. From the snippets I've seen, it looks to be around the same tier as fan-translated light novels. Maybe even worse than that.

Is there a PDF laying around per chance? I feel it'd be an entertaining Spork.
 
Kiwisee said:
Is there a PDF laying around per chance?
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It's up on ZLib. I had to read it with a ruler under the lines because some of the writing is so clunky and awkward it'll make you wonder if you're the dyslexic one. It's so fun watching the booktok girlies reviews and 'rants' of this book because none of them can actually just say it as it is, it's a shit book, she's a scammer using 'autism' and 'bisexuality' to sell this, and she blatantly lied about the work she put into it to make it sell. She thought it'd be a hit! and it is everyone's fault for tripping over themselves at her shitty aesthetic tiktok ''marketing'' and ordering without a sample.

Speaking of the literary world being incredibly cursed. Dramione Fic. Alchemised was published by Del Ray publishing finally. It's hard to find a review that actually gets into the book (the former 'dark romance' Harry Potter x Handmaid's Tale fanfic called 'Manacled') and doesn't spend ages going 'waaahhhh JKRowling can benefit from thiss wahhh the book is still linked to Dramioneeeeee'. SenLinYu, the author of Alchemised, is apparently a nonbinary, which is making the JKDeranged spiral even harder because she's a person of gender but used queen terfs literature. Two other Dramione fics were also published this year: Rose in Chains, published by Forever, author Julie Soto; and The Irresistable Urge to Fall for Your Enemy, published by Orbit Books, author Brigitte Knightley, (will have a sequel, called The Exquisite Torment of Loving Your Enemy). The Publishing world is... well. I guess fanfic is nothing new but three Dramione fics in 3 months does not bode well. However the Seething over HP fanfics being changed and published is kino. Stay mad.

50 Shades and even Ali Hazelwood's Reylo fanfics were at least modern AUs of the characters and situations. The Alchemised/Manacled fic was set in an AU of the HP world with Handmaid's Tale breeding slavery added in, and publishing that leaves a bad taste in my mouth- it's still the HP world. At what point does it become blatant plagarism? There's also a lot of talk about the book Powerless being fanfic Red Queen (and the rest of the Powerless trilogy is a copy of The Serpent and the Wings of Night, or something, god what a lame title). IK that literary publishing follows trends such as the recent 'i'm depressed but Aesthetic about it and im super horny' publishing spate after Fleabag and the lockdowns, and the recent romantasy Fae to Dragon trends, but fanfiction publishing is 'boiling down' the literary world even more. The amount of times I've walked into Waterstones and seen a cover that gave me pause- that is *just* Zutara fanart or some other huge ship. Inspiration and derivation has always been around in writing, but there's a big difference imho from the classic SciFi/Fantasy authors all taking inspiration from each other and giving out cheeky references to the Grand Racist Lovecraft, to contemporary authors just copying Dramione, Zutara, etc etc. There's no originality, it's a safe option for readers because they can pick something up and already know a lot of the basics.
Also I think the 'dark romance' is just. poorly done with no actual 'fucked-up-ness' to it. 'Enemies to lovers' is just a guy who is a bit of a prick, a stuck up twat at best but he's soooo hot. There is a lot of skirting around consent and borderline rape to schlick to in the novels, but no real exploration of it (beyond the really fringe kindle writers who write shit about doctors raping ICU patients, or the teacher/student writers like in Gothikana). They want to explore 'dark' and 'toxic' relationships, but its all really quite bland in the books. it's safe dark, almost. Now i don't want to encourage these fanfic authors to start writing Jamie/Cersie tier toxic relationships, but if you are going to claim its a dark romance there needs to be a lot of actually toxic things going on, not white trash facebook drama that i could just see on the Bushart thread. It's disheartening in a wider lit-world context, but the milk from publishing HP fic is good.
 
Rezza said:
I was going to ask about that Dramione novel, there seems to be quite a budget on their marketing, even Guardian is writing about it
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Alchemized? Yeah, there's been some drama surrounding it from the usual suspects, namely the Rowling Derangement Syndrome crowd who's mad about Alchemized being a thinly vieled harry potter fanfic that 'increases the cultural capital of harry potter,' and 'keeps it relevant.' Since there are people who are buying/reading the Harry Potter books again due to Alchemized. Along with people calling Rowling homophobic AND transphobic, or just talking in vague terms about how she's a 'bad person.'
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It's a very odd moral panic, I think a decade ago the bigger panic would have been over people buying Alchemized, for kids since it's 'harry potter,' ignorant of its actual content. There are more substantive complaints about how this fanfiction-into-publishing pipeline is eroding online fanfiction spaces and might cause publishers to become more litigious, but JKR seemingly hasn't made a move yet.
 
Lizard Machine Bugs said:
JKR seemingly hasn't made a move yet.
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SenLinYu's instagram marketing does capitalise on the fact Alchemised/Manacled was a HP fanfic sensation, as do many articles on the novel. She also uses her ao3 name as her penname and her account is FULL of dramione (HP) artwork. The above video suggests that JKR was paid to allow the HP references in the marketing. Allegedly JKR had Etsy take down a lot of independent/fanart sellers (but plenty still remain and other authors like SJM require fanartists to buy a license for rights to sell fanart or stickers) so I could imagine she has knowledge or a deal with the publishers to use HP in the marketing. Alchemised also has a 7 figure movie deal behind the scenes so theres no way she isn't getting a cut to fund the holy crusade on trannies.
I would like to see the fallout of JKR potentially initiating legal action against hte Dramione publishers and then the anti-JKR crowd have to align htemselves with the HP fanfic writers to hate on her. I might read Alchemised and do a brief bullet point review here because i cannot find a review of the actual work and I can't tolerate going through every single mouthbreathing lip smacking filmed on an iphone booktuber to hunt one down.
 
Heinrich Maneuver said:
The Irresistable Urge to Fall for Your Enemy, published by Orbit Books, author Brigitte Knightley, (will have a sequel, called The Exquisite Torment of Loving Your Enemy)
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Women will post this shit and then wonder why the entire planet and every major religion has imposed strict social restrictions on their sovereignty since the dawn of time in every place humans have ever lived
 
Heinrich Maneuver said:
SenLinYu's instagram marketing does capitalise on the fact Alchemised/Manacled was a HP fanfic sensation, as do many articles on the novel. She also uses her ao3 name as her penname and her account is FULL of dramione (HP) artwork. The above video suggests that JKR was paid to allow the HP references in the marketing. Allegedly JKR had Etsy take down a lot of independent/fanart sellers (but plenty still remain and other authors like SJM require fanartists to buy a license for rights to sell fanart or stickers) so I could imagine she has knowledge or a deal with the publishers to use HP in the marketing. Alchemised also has a 7 figure movie deal behind the scenes so theres no way she isn't getting a cut to fund the holy crusade on trannies.
I would like to see the fallout of JKR potentially initiating legal action against hte Dramione publishers and then the anti-JKR crowd have to align htemselves with the HP fanfic writers to hate on her. I might read Alchemised and do a brief bullet point review here because i cannot find a review of the actual work and I can't tolerate going through every single mouthbreathing lip smacking filmed on an iphone booktuber to hunt one down.
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A movie deal already on progress made the whole marketing makes sense, that and they're probably going to bank on the mainstream people who want more HP but don't really cares about all the trannies drama
 
Rezza said:
A movie deal already on progress made the whole marketing makes sense, that and they're probably going to bank on the mainstream people who want more HP but don't really cares about all the trannies drama
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It would actually be a brilliant marketing move for them to have an agreement with JKR to have her kick up a stink right as the movie is getting close to release. Let the film get publicity and pre-sales from all the "allies" wanting to own queen-terf and then have the whole thing get settled for a small amount as her "rights fee."
 
Critical literacy has led to the current reading comprehension problem we're currently finding ourselves in as a society which is why modern writing sucks ass. It's what this meme was making fun of (I can't find the full meme with the "I mean it's fucking red" punchline).
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Mola Ram said:
Well, time to shoot myself.
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Oooor... You can crank out something even half decent and make bank.

I mean, the bar is *literally* on the floor. If Audrey Winter can sell a stupid amount of pre-orders via TikTok shop without even showing any writing samples, think how much you could make WITH samples! AND you could show people that writing doesn't need to be shit!

...Or maybe we could just start teaching people how to read, again. That would be nice; not having to read things for coworkers because they literally don't know how to sound things out. The US is so fucked.
 
Heinrich Maneuver said:
Speaking of the literary world being incredibly cursed. Dramione Fic
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Should be noted that the Marauders fandom - the slash pairing between Remus Lupin and Sirius Black - also came from a fanfic, "All the Young Dudes", which is the top Harry Potter fic on AO3. I've yet to see if someone has made a gay fanfic version of it that got published, but there is suspicion that Red, White and Royal Blue might have come from a Merthur (Merlin/Arthur) fanfic.

The people making videos on how bad Alchemized is when they happily read fanfic with the same tropes shows how gutless they are. They'll never go after people of gender, whether it be a Japanese woman with a disdain for white people (yet only writes about them) or some like CS Pacat, who wrote the Captive Prince trilogy back in 2013 and has its own fandom.
 
Chandelier said:
whether it be a Japanese woman with a disdain for white people (yet only writes about them)
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Finding out SenLinYu was a hapa who grew up in an extremely conservative Christian family explained so much. Also I like how she made her pen name sound vaguely Chinese but she's a fucking muttmerican hapa of Japanese descent :story:
 
I had no idea how many popular YA books written post-2010 were originally fanfictions.

It's insane to walk into a bookstore and (thanks to this thread) know 9/10 of the books advertised on display were originally fanfic. I never was interested in them, but I look at these covers in a new light now. How do you even find out if the books were fanfic or not? I only knew of The Mortal Instruments thanks to Cassandra Clare being infamous enough to warrant youtube videos dedicated to her + the 50 Shades of Grey thing became public knowledge too. But nowadays, with new/unpopular books, how do people know? Do y'all read new books and realize it was also a fanfic you once read? I can't believe authors don't try to hide the origins more...
 
Fcret said:
Finding out SenLinYu was a hapa who grew up in an extremely conservative Christian family explained so much. Also I like how she made her pen name sound vaguely Chinese but she's a fucking muttmerican hapa of Japanese descent :story:
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lmao I thought she's chinese, that's fucking hilarious
She definitely hates her Japanese self
 
Chandelier said:
Captive Prince trilogy
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That series also faced a ton of flak on tumblr for being racist- a lily white rich Prince boy and his dark skinned animalistic bound in chains lover with tons of noncon-dubcon elements (and tbh i agree, its definitely a choice. It's sort of a racist fujo take on Wuthering Heights in a way) alongside the fact its just fujo yaoi slop. it's a shame authors nowadays can 'get away with it' by claiming to be trans/'nonbinary'.
Chandelier said:
Japanese woman
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Words cannot describe how much i dislike Xiran, R F Kuang, Molly X Chang, Hanya Yanagihara (A Little Life), ShenLi, and their ilk. The faux-deep uber pretentious 'dark academia' Hapas and their 'isn't suffering Deep' books have haunted the womens lit section for too long imho.
They are also all women haters- Xiran is the worst offender, being 'nonbinary' and her book is literally just 'I'm not like other women i don't want to be oppressed' with mechas, while Kuangs new book's protag is explicitly anti-women (its her 'flaw' she must get over and central to the plot... yeah right). I have very little patience for modern YA/NA seeped in 'I'm not like other girls'isms. I do wonder if all the halfAsian women have some kind of cultural hatred of women (one child policy and all) beat into them which seeps into their work. X Chang seems to have a fetish for being oppressed by Japanese/Romans who commit war crimes and dedicated her book (A Zutara knockoff) to her grandfather who was a victim of war crimes in Manchuria (Personally I am looking forward to the shit show of her still delayed sequel).
 
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