Community Yaoi and MPreg Fandom Discussion Thread

[Scarlett Johansson]

“Whump” (which is basically sadism) is a popular hurt/comfort genre, wherein a character goes through some type of sickness, pain, or trauma, and then either recovers or does not recover. Believe it or not, there aren’t only TIFs into mpreg- lots of normal women (normal as in: not transgenda) enjoy the concept of putting a male through pregnancy, writing this unnatural experience in a fetishy way, getting off to a male having morning sickness, the innate body horror of mpreg, the likely chance of miscarrying and the angst that follows. IMO these women genuinely find mpreg to be a turn-on, whereas TIFs use mpreg to cope.

Isn't whump when male characters are knocked out/injured/held captive? So basically Robin in every Batman comic for about 50+ years then

 

[Dysnomia]

I don't really give a shit if people like yaoi but how the fuck does one like mpreg. You niggas are weird for liking that shit. If I see someone walking down the street with a shirt saying "I love mpreg" I would hit them with my car in a heartbeat

There's a VN called Sweet Pool. The plot revolves around the lost souls from Sodom & Gomorrah trying to bring upon the resurrection of buttbaby Jesus. I kid you not. A bunch of guys want Youji's ass because he smells really good. Although apparently he doesn't smell the way he's supposed to so they are confused. This is because he's super special and not like other guys. Thankfully said babby does not come about the butt way but it's more like a metamorphosis. However the failures.... I'll spoiler it because it's gross and no one needs to be reading that if they don't want to.

Spoiler: BARF!

Rotten pieces of flesh fall out of a guy's ass if the resurrection is a failure. This happens to Zenya a bunch of times and it's part of why he's so crazy. Daddy is disappointed that he cannot create a viable resurrection. The rotten ass flesh will also sometimes talk, displaying dismay that the resurrection did not work. Because the god they want resurrected is not supposed to fall out of some guy's ass in chunks. Also, Youji's deceased father turns out to have been a member of this cult and "passed" the curse onto his son as he lay dying from a car accident.

I was warned about this VN. But it was so out there in terms of plot that I had to read it. I'm really into the bizarre and out there types of stuff. But I was not prepared for Makoto, the sweetest most innocent character turning out to be a crazy yandere who kills Youji and eats him so they can be together forever. After he's eaten Youji's entire body he starts to eat himself because Youji is technically in him and he wants to be with him again.

Anyway, I'm oversimplifying the plot. Some people call it the yaoi version of Saya no Uta. It's kind of similar in some ways. But it really is it's own thing.

 

[Sebben Crudele II]

Anyway, I'm oversimplifying the plot. Some people call it the yaoi version of Saya no Uta. It's kind of similar in some ways. But it really is it's own thing.

I was under the impression that Song of Saya was deeply mortifying but well written horror.

I'm really into the bizarre and out there types of stuff.

Did you like euphoria?

 

[CTR Operative]

Holy shit, I didn't think I'd ever see Sweetpool mentioned. That was from before omegaverse, too, the writers should sue that chick that sued Lindsay Ellis.

Anyway, I'm oversimplifying the plot. Some people call it the yaoi version of Saya no Uta. It's kind of similar in some ways. But it really is it's own thing.

Probably because it's from the BL label of the same company that put out Saya no Uta.

That game was weird. the beginning I thought it was good because the main character was written pretty sympathetically, he just got out of the hospital and was left back a year, so he feels really out of place. ...then the meat baby shit starts up and it was just gawking the whole way through. (somehow, this was not the most fucked-up BL game I downloaded off some weird website 15 years ago)

The most fascinating thing to me is they got Hikaru Midorikawa to voice Zenya, the guy who gets his eyeballs licked in one scene while his pet lizard sits on his shoulder. (I DON'T KNOW EITHER) If you don't know the name, he's like the Nicolas Cage of voice acting, in that he's a legendary, A-list name with a very long career (if you watched any 90s anime, there's a good chance he had a major role in it), but seems like he will do literally any gig if you just call him up. This guy was the lead in Gundam Wing (another huge part of yaoi history), but he's in so many fujo games I gotta wonder if he has a gambling problem or something.

 

[Sebben Crudele II]

Fujos, faggots, pooners, troons, gooners, anyone that produces/stars/draws/partakes/consumes any kind of pornography/prostitution, all belong on a cross.

Thank you and have a wonderful day.

 

[UnFuNnYmEmE]

I remember hearing in a papa gut video that there are apparently as many female gooners as there are male gooners out there. Food for thought.

female gooners or "female" gooners?

 

[Drive-by Farts]

Japanese fujos treat yaoi like most men treat lesbian porn. Something to wank to and fuck off, not something to aspire to become. Also worth noting if you're talking about jap fujos that in Japan the word doesn't have the same gooner connotation that it does in the west. Over there a fujo is just someone who likes yaoi instead of in the west where fujos are women obsessed with it.

Try to remember that it’s 2025, not 2005, so many men seem to respond to lesbian porn in the exact same way women are responding to BL - by trooning out.

As for why the Japanese Fujos don’t do this as much as western ones, I think there are a few factors

1) Japan is a shame-based society whereas most Western nations are classed as guilt-based. Meaning westerners tend to think something is inherently wrong or evil even if no one catches you OR even if the truth causes problems. Asian nations it tends to be wrong to embarrass someone in your in-group or to cause shame to your family. Both have their pros and cons (for example Japanese people don’t think it’s morally wrong to lie in and of itself which can cause some problems, all the cheating and scamming that come out of Asia)
2) This relates to yaoi in that yaoi/bl is a guilty pleasure - in Japan, it’s fine as long as you hide your collection and interest irl. No inherent guilt as long as you’re not flaunting it. Whereas in the West, female fans had more mixed feelings about it - in the past it was more, am I allowed to read this as a Christian? Now it’s, am I allowed to read this as a straight woman?
3) Japan has been officially publishing yaoi and BL since the 70s, so there has been infrastructure there to let female creators create and get paid while selling to a female audience. In America there is no infrastructure so it’s been mostly an online phenomenon - no editors, lots of self-promo.
4) Yet women were creating just fine, until the “Own Voices” movement came in along with SJWism. At that time having the right ~identity~ seemed like a good way to get instant promotion online, and straight white woman wasn’t fashionable. The Church of SJWism decided that only gay people could draw yaoi despite that never, EVER having been the case. And it also declared that being gay or trans was morally correct and fashionable (therefore very promotable). At first I personally noticed fujos all pretending to be bisexual. But that wasn’t enough, because they were women sexualizing gay men which was somehow deemed sinful in leftist circles. So at that point a lot of creators and readers were kind of guilted into becoming trans. They also thought it was a great way to promote their works.

Having been in Japan recently, the trans stuff is getting in due to internet (but there’s a language gap because they are bad at English) and social conditioning but at a slower rate, and many would-be pooners just won’t go the distance because it will bring shame to their families, plus less of a push from the schools.

I also think we here in America were lacking some distance from our arts and entertainment. It’s really pushed here that movies, tv, books etc are Important™ and we should somehow learn Big Messages from them. The best example I can think of is Star Wars, people treat that slop like it’s a religion. Maybe guilt-based societies have a harder time treating arts and entertainment as a frivolous pastime, and try to justify their enjoyment of it in moral terms.

We should treat 99.999% of entertainment the way horror fans treat their b-movies and pulp fiction. Give it no special importance, just enjoy it in the moment then move on.

 

[femboy fart huffer]

I'm trying to read this thread but I dont understand any of the acronyms and I refuse to look them up. BL, GL, bara, bishoshen, etc..., it's like anoher language. What do they mean?

Yea. Really does seem like an entirely different language doesn't it? Idk it's almost like some strange foreign thing from the other side of the world. About as understandable as making big red Ns on mountains or eating raw fish. Wonder what could be the cause of that feeling?

female gooners or "female" gooners?

I wouldn't say that m/f ratio is 1:1 but there are certainly more female gooners than tranny gooners, even if 90% of trannies are gooners thats still only about 0.5% of the population, you'd need less than 1% of women to be gooners at that rate and it's definitely higher than that.

Try to remember that it’s 2025, not 2005, so many men seem to respond to lesbian porn in the exact same way women are responding to BL - by trooning out.

No they don't. Not even close. Almost every guy I went to school with at one point would mention lesbian porn. None of them are trans. Men watch lesbian porn because they want to see two women fucking not because they want to be one of the women, inverse for women and gay porn. I would be willing to bet that at least 90% of men that watch porn have at some point watched lesbian porn. Trannies troon out because of sissy bbc otokonoko trap astolfo forcefem crossdressing porn not the stuff on the front page of pornhub. A vast majority of ftms will have wanked to yaoi and the vast majority of mtfs will have wanked to lesbian porn, that does not mean that the vast majority of people that consume that content will become trans.

1) Japan is a shame-based society

When I first met my gf irl a couple years ago we went to a fetish bar that had adverts on the pavement outside the place and walked by several maid cafes with women in maid outfits advertising in the street. Japan is definitely not a shame based society lol. There's more fetish locations and sex toy stores than even the most liberal of western cities. Not to mention the amount of places dedicated to giving people a place to go and have shallow emotionless sex with random people or whores or the entire sections of stores dedicated to hentai and ecchi anime figures. It's not shame, it's collectivism and not wanting to stand out. Transgenderism is the most visually obvious fetish there is, no one can look at you and figure out you like feet or whatever but they can look at you and figure out you're transgender. To be trans is almost always to stand out, you cannot be trans without standing out, thus being trans is against what their society means. Combined with the fact that to be 'properly' transgender you need medical aid through surgeries and pills, both of which Japanese doctors are incredibly reluctant to give out in general. In general Japanese people want to keep society as it is and just be a cog, sucking some toes in your spare time doesn't infringe on that, going around and having to tell everyone that you now have a new name and pronouns and all the gender based honourific stuff has to change will be a pain especially when your society is based on never changing and even the most simplest of tasks requires a week of 5 people trying to work out how to solve something as simple as 'just print a new nametag'. I suspect there's also a bit of a suspicion towards ftms considering that Japan overwhelmingly favours men for everything, I wouldn't be surprised if the higher ups would pass over them just because they suspect it's not 'real' transgenderism but instead opportunistic social climbing. They also don't have the societal backing, in the west transgenders are told that they're brave and valid and all that shit by the government and the entire medical field, as far as I'm aware Japan does not have even remotely the same amount of support. A large portion of doctors in Japan will completely disregard mental health struggles anyway, if you told a Japanese doctor you felt like you were a woman I'd be willing to bet he would be more likely to prescribe you a workout routine and tell you to go play for a football team before the thought of giving you hrt even crossed his mind.

 

[Ed Special]

female gooners or "female" gooners?

Open any women's "romance" novel and read through it. Keep in mind, literally thousands of these brimstone tomes that make Chuck Tingle look grounded are published every year, and represent a multi-billion-dollar erotic materials industry. Think about how many pieces of such erotica must be sold for those $5 pulps to make even one billion a year. Female gooners are absolutely more common than male gooners, it's just that it's socially acceptable for them to read their pornography in public.

 

[CTR Operative]

When I first met my gf irl a couple years ago we went to a fetish bar that had adverts on the pavement outside the place and walked by several maid cafes with women in maid outfits advertising in the street. Japan is definitely not a shame based society lol.

"I saw a maid cafe, Japanese society isn't shame-based" is so retarded it might as well be a reddit take. A shame-based society controls behavior via peer pressure, essentially. "The nail that sticks up gets hammered down." It's horribly exploitable by gaijin, since silent disproving looks don't mean shit if no one says "no," but traditionally it's controlled Japanese society quite well. It's no wonder the outliers are so fucking weird.

What part of the city were you in? Some things are breaching containment because of tourism, like maids, but generally red-light districts and otaku areas are all in their own little parts of town, and the more fucked-up the inside is the more discrete the street advertising is. Yes, if you go to Nipponbashi or Akihabara, you can check out a big-ass store full of nothing but tenga eggs, that doesn't mean the average Japanese person would walk in there with their mom.

 

[Fat and Balding]

Female gooners are absolutely more common than male gooners, it's just that it's socially acceptable for them to read their pornography in public.

Porn in general is a billion dollar industry. And yes, imagining scenes from a book in your head is a private activity, so it’s more acceptable than watching an interracial gangbang in the coffee shop. Why oh why did this thread have to become a gender war bloodsports free-for-all?

 

[femboy fart huffer]

"I saw a maid cafe, Japanese society isn't shame-based" is so retarded it might as well be a reddit take. A shame-based society controls behavior via peer pressure, essentially. "The nail that sticks up gets hammered down." It's horribly exploitable by gaijin, since silent disproving looks don't mean shit if no one says "no," but traditionally it's controlled Japanese society quite well. It's no wonder the outliers are so fucking weird.

Name one time you have ever seen anything like that in the west. The absolute most you will see in terms of public sexual displays are sex toys in the very back of lingerie stores. Japan is absolutely more open and less ashamed of openly sexual stuff than the west is.

That 'silent disapproving' isn't the same as shaming, shaming is kinda the opposite, shaming is vocally disapproving. Slow public ostracisation is not the same as shaming someone, that's not making someone feel ashamed that's making someone feel outcast. That sort of stuff isn't shaming you into being normal again but more distancing themselves from the retarded. I'm not saying that societal norms aren't enforced through peer pressure but instead that it's built on a desire for harmony and not standing out, not through shame. People keep their private life private and don't go on self centered gender special bullshit because they want to keep society harmonious, not because they're afraid of being laughed at. Most Japanese people keep their opinions to themselves, they're not going to go up to you and go transgender des ka balding sugoi, they'll keep those thoughts to themselves and just not interact with you, that's not shaming someone that's ostracising them. Whether the feeling of knowing that society hates you and will never accept you makes you ashamed of your own life is secondary, you might feel ashamed that society hates you but the society will not set out to directly shame you.

 

[CTR Operative]

Name one time you have ever seen anything like that in the west. The absolute most you will see in terms of public sexual displays are sex toys in the very back of lingerie stores. Japan is absolutely more open and less ashamed of openly sexual stuff than the west is.

Pride parades. Folsom street fair. Fucking strip clubs. How retarded actually are you, and how does anything have to do with the point of Japan being a shame-based society? Next are you gonna be like HURR DURR THERE'S BIKINI GIRLS IN THE NEWSPAPER, THEY BATHE TOGETHER OMG?

You can't wear a fucking spaghetti-strap tank top in Japan without people thinking you're ho-ing out. Have you ever had a normie conversation with a normie Japanese person? It seems clear the answer is no.

That 'silent disapproving' isn't the same as shaming, shaming is kinda the opposite, shaming is vocally disapproving. Slow public ostracisation is not the same as shaming someone, that's not making someone feel ashamed that's making someone feel outcast.

You just came up with this idea of what shame means and you're spamming it, but that's not how this works. Academics have described Japan as a shame culture/shame-based society for ages. Just because you think people should be yelling more doesn't mean suddenly they're wrong and you're right.

That sort of stuff isn't shaming you into being normal again but more distancing themselves from the retarded. I'm not saying that societal norms aren't enforced through peer pressure but instead that it's built on a desire for harmony and not standing out, not through shame. People keep their private life private and don't go on self centered gender special bullshit because they want to keep society harmonious, not because they're afraid of being laughed at. Most Japanese people keep their opinions to themselves

Yes. these are all signs of a shame-based society. You feel shame because you're being distanced from. Jesus Christ.

they're not going to go up to you and go transgender des ka balding sugoi, they'll keep those thoughts to themselves and just not interact with you

I'm just going to u-turn to focus on trannies for a moment. Japan has long been vaguely more chill about trannies than gay people. The whole "I think I'm the other gender" thing was easier to wrap their brains around (it's also why the traditional words for gay men, crossdressers, and transwomen are interchangable). Of course no one actually wants to fuck a newhalf or an onabe other than chasers, and they were the butt of a lot of jokes, but a lot of the jokes were "cut your dick off, what's wrong with you" to the pre-ops. The sentiment always fascinated me.

Side note, slight PL, I used to do theater work in Japan like 20 years ago. One event I worked there was a pooner, the first one I ever met. They made her use the women's dressing room with us, and I don't think she ever argued against it. She just used the masculine 'boku' pronoun and looked like a slightly overweight j-pop type.

 

[femboy fart huffer]

Pride parades. Folsom street fair. Fucking strip clubs. How retarded actually are you, and how does anything have to do with the point of Japan being a shame-based society?

One off events and buildings that are never openly advertised and that there is a singular one of in the city I live despite being a pretty large place. The amount of hentai stores, maid cafes, fetish places, love hotels, I saw more of each one of those in a single trip than I have all types of sexual store in this country combined. I probably saw more places selling hentai than our city has fucking clothes stores. The simple fact that any of those things exist and people visit them should be enough proof to say that Japanese people are not super ashamed of sexual stuff, people over here would be, they would be way too ashamed to go in a place like that hence why we don't have them. And because I was talking about how fujos in Japan interact with yaoi which normally they are not ashamed to be into and seemingly have a healthier relationship with it because of that. I never said walking around naked in public was societally acceptable, maybe someone would say something in that extreme of a case but most of the time it will just be dodgy looks, they would certainly think you're whoring out and treat you like one but most often than not will not say that to your face. I'm not saying that no Japanese person has ever felt shame before or that running around living out your degenerate fantasies is even remotely accepted. Just that the average Japanese fujo will not be shamed for being into yaoi as long as she stays within societal norms and that the desire to keep the harmony and stay within those norms is what keeps them normal and not being shamed into being normal and also that the country isn't ashamed of sex and that sort of stuff like some places make it out to be.

You just came up with this idea of what shame means and you're spamming it

I mean yea I'm not talking about whatever the fuck academics say I'm talking from personal experience and what my friends and gf have told me about living there. To me that is not a society based in shaming people. Something like America or Greece or some muslim whatever is. Both England and Japan are pretty similar, we don't outright shame people for being into something or something they do. If you're breaking societal norms then everyone just shuns you, they exclude you, the shame comes from that exclusion. Whereas from what a Greek friend told me and the things I've heard about America if you're playing music out loud on the bus or dressed like a whore or whatever then people will outright say it. If you're fat in Greece or Italy the waiters will outright tell you stop ordering so much food fatty and that sort of stuff. They will directly shame you for those things. Maybe you want to argue both types are about shame just one is confrontational and one is passive which yea I agree with, but I would say that one is based in exclusion and the other confrontation. Japan enforces societal norms by excluding people which in turn makes them feel ashamed, therefore I would call that an exclusion based society because that is the intention, they intend for you to feel excluded, the shame is a byproduct of that. Other countries will directly shame you but don't necessarily want to exclude you, they will make it known that they feel you should be ashamed of your actions but they won't try to remove you from society for it in most cases and so I would call those ones shame based.

 

[Kari Kamiya]

Japan is absolutely more open and less ashamed of openly sexual stuff than the west is.

A sexually-repressed culture doesn't have sexual stuff blatantly out in the open (least not in the daytime, the red light districts are only active after dinner hours). Japan is more "don't ask, don't tell" than we are because they are a culture of shame and strictly adhere to private matters remaining private. Love hotels are "check-in, check-out" so you cannot leave your room until check-out, they typically don't have windows, and staff is sparse so no one can see (i.e. identify) anyone. You're considered an exhibitionist for showing PDA at all even when you're married. Host clubs (not all are fronts for prostitution but they're still adult) want forever customers so they'll do everything they can to cater to you and you must engage back in earnest even if you're a bored housewife. The chikan is such a widespread problem but offenders are rarely apprehended and punished because making a scene disturbs everyone around you, so the less-disruptive thing to do was make women-only train cars and legislate that every cellphone camera has an audible shutter click, and hope the problem will (eventually, probably) work itself out. You will get sued for taking photos without permission because someone could be with their mistress and don't want it public. You will get blacklisted from the job market and schools if your face is visible in risqué photoshoots. You need to be discreet about entering 18+ rooms in book and video stores lest someone recognizes you.

Japan may be deviant and they have an outlet for everything you can think of, but they still don't want you expressing that deviancy out in public. The ahegao hoodies you see people just wear out in public for the meme? Yaoi decal? That'd be a big no-no in Japanese public even though you can openly wear "Fuck You in the Ass" shirts and the oppai shirt One Punch Man popularized no problem and with the latter only the grannies or some member of a parental group will give you the evil eye.

 

[femboy fart huffer]

Japan may be deviant and they have an outlet for everything you can think of, but they still don't want you expressing that deviancy out in public

The main point that I was trying to make originally is that. They are not ashamed of their sexuality and that sort of stuff. That doesn't mean that dogging in the local park is acceptable or anything, not what I was saying. But from what I've seen yea they have places where you can engage in those things without shame and the places that cater to that often are much much more open than anything that we have over here and that a lot of interests that are shamed in the west are not over there, specifically yaoi which is kinda what the thread's about.

That being said I have never seen anyone wearing anything you mentioned. The closest I've seen was a tranny in the typical amazon basics fit which everyone was visibly discomforted by.

 

[Kari Kamiya]

The closest I've seen was a tranny in the typical amazon basics fit which everyone was visibly discomforted by.

Y'sure it wasn't because it was a visible tranny? Crossdressing is usually reserved for theatrics like at the gay bar or a stage play, flaunting it out on the streets or the convenient store isn't encouraged.

 

[femboy fart huffer]

Y'sure it wasn't because it was a visible tranny? Crossdressing is usually reserved for theatrics like at the gay bar or a stage play, flaunting it out on the streets or the convenient store isn't encouraged.

English moment. The closest I've seen was a tranny who was wearing the typical amazon basics fit. The people who saw were visibly uncomfortable by the sight as a whole. That is the closest I have seen to someone wearing overtly sexual clothing in public. Also I realise rereading that that it's ambiguous. I meant in england, that I have not seen "The ahegao hoodies you see people just wear out in public for the meme?" at all even here, not just that it wouldn't happen in Japan.

 

[jfkfactsDOTorg]

why are there multiple posts in a row of a weeaboo and a limey faggot docking top hats about glorious nippon clogging up this thread? get to talking about the arguable merits of prolapsing in yaoi VNs or gtfo to DMs

oasis is doing a reunion tour this year, which in and of itself is hilarious, but is bringing out some of my favorite little popcorn-kernel corners of the internet

from the beatles to the killers, which is a thing that exists too, fujos will take the most fuck ugly of the bunch they can pick and somehow try and spin the story into something deeper than the human sigmoid colon. it's a phenomenon i have not nor will i ever understand

 

[Drive-by Farts]

Snip

In your own way, you actually just described what a shame-based culture is.

“Shame-based” is a sociological term, as is “guilt-based” , here are definitions from Wikipedia

“In a guilt society, control is maintained by creating and continually reinforcing the feeling of guilt (and the expectation of punishment now or in the afterlife) for certain condemned behaviors. The guilt worldview focuses on law and punishment. A person in this type of culture may ask, "Is my behavior fair or unfair?"[citation needed] This type of culture also emphasizes individual conscience.[3]
In a shame society (sometimes called an honor–shame culture), the means of control is the inculcation of shame and the complementary threat of ostracism. The shame–honor worldview seeks an "honor balance" and can lead to revenge dynamics.[citation needed] A person in this type of culture may ask, "Shall I look ashamed if I do X?" or "How will people look at me if I do Y?" Shame cultures are typically based on the concepts of pride and honor.[4] Often actions are all that count and matter.”

As much at AI overviews aren’t always correct, this one is, so I’ll also quote it.

“A shame-based culture is one where social behavior is heavily influenced by the fear of public shame and disapproval. Individuals in these cultures often prioritize maintaining social standing and avoiding embarrassment over personal desires or even moral principles. This can lead to behaviors like conforming to group norms, suppressing dissent, and even tolerating abuse to avoid social stigma. “

Again the key thing here is that it is shame from other people rather than an internal shame from conscience (guilt). I think this is why Asians and Africans can come off as very soulless and scammy once you get past the polite/friendly veneer. They don’t operate by the same rules we do and they don’t feel guilty about exploiting that, which is why you must always be careful doing business of any kind with them.