Young men reveal why so many of them are single: ‘Dates feel more like job interviews’

From: https://nypost.com/2023/03/01/rate-of-single-men-in-the-us-looking-for-dates-has-declined/

They’re single but they’re not mingling.

New data from the Pew Research Center has shown that 63% of men under 30 are single – up from 51% in 2019.

COVID isolation and women’s high expectations for something serious are the main reasons they’re avoiding going out and coupling up, young guys say.

“Dates feel more like job interviews now. Much more like ‘What can you do for me and where is this going?'” said Ian Breslow, a 28-year-old high school teacher who lives in Astoria.

“The ‘getting to know you’ period is gone and that doesn’t feel so great after coming out of isolation.”

He recalled a recent first date that went quite well until the woman interrogated him on their walk home.

“She literally asked me, ‘Would you rather our kids go to public or private school?’ Followed by several more extreme questions about getting married. I just started responding with what I knew she would hate the most to get her to leave,” Breslow told The Post.

Experts agree that women are certainly wanting more than ever before.

“The overall picture [is] that if a woman is going to go on a date with a man, chances are it’s not for a casual fling,” Ronald Levant, professor emeritus of psychology at the University of Akron, told The Post.

“Especially if the woman is kind of getting close to 30, [she’s] thinking about the biological clock and wants to have a family,” he added.

Breslow isn’t looking to settle down and get married anytime soon, so he’d rather have casual flings.

“The way dating is currently just makes me want to hook up locally with no stress or strings attached,” he says. “Fortunately that part comes very easy … I’m unmotivated to search for something serious for the time being.”

Ian Breslow said the face of dating has changed greatly since COVID.
Andrew Bruno, a 28-year-old nurse from Bellmore, NY, says flirting in the post-COVID era just isn’t as fun as it once was.

“Being able to naturally approach people while out isn’t like it was pre-pandemic. People are still much less likely to leave their groups or cliques at a bar,” said Bruno. “They’re certainly less talkative and that’s lowered my incentive to put myself out there.”

He also said the pandemic, more than ever before, made dating apps the central means for meeting people — and he’s not a fan.

“That just really isn’t my style. Like there is a weekslong prerequisite before you can think about getting involved, even for casual things,” Bruno said. “I’d rather take all that effort and put it towards my career.”

And, like Breslow, he’s in no hurry to get hitched.

Andrew Bruno feels that people have become less approachable while out since COVID.
“I’m also still very young,” Bruno said. “I don’t feel the need to rush, especially if people don’t act as naturally as they did before COVID. Why would I put it all out there for someone who can’t or won’t hold a conversation?”

For Mike M., a 25-year-old in Queens, it’s his — not the opposite sex’s — social skills that are still battling a bad case of long COVID.

“I definitely can’t walk into a room and go talk to someone I’m interested [in] like I used to be able to. It feels like my outgoingness has suffered some atrophy,” Mike, who withheld his last name out of embarrassment, told The Post.

He’s also having less sex than he did pre-pandemic.

“I have definitely been going online to take care of my urges more than I have by seeing people,” Mike admitted.

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He feels as though he lost two prime years in his early 20s of being able to date and have fun without worrying about being in a serious relationship.

Now, he’s under pressure to find a long-term commitment, but can’t put himself out there.

“I also feel like I’m caught between two worlds,” he said. “Ultimately I’ve just been crashing and have had neither lately.”
 
This is called "pig butchering" and they are really fucking painstaking about it, they will lead you on for several fucking months and some cybersex sessions before switching to talking about the gorillions of dollars they're making in cryptoshekels and that they can show you how to do it too.
That reminds me of a guy I kinda knew online. He was talking about this Philippines girl and how she talked to him for 10 years, vid chat and all. She kept saying she wanted to marry him, but he had to go to the Philippines first and get married that week tjey met. He always complained how pushy she was to marry him right when he got there, never meeting before. And she kept having all these family people getting involved, her 'brothers' that needed a little money. The guy kept saying how it didn't feel right and I told him if you go they are going to rob you blind and very likely kill you.

He left late last year and I never heard from him again. Some optimistic people I know figured he'd just given up his online life and found his true love, but that dude is fucking dead.
 
The other problem is that metoo and big corpo killed workplace and hobby hookups.

You also work more hours for less pay.

Arranged marriages were just better.
Yeah nah, what works is getting to know people, becoming mates and if it goes from there then you'll see how it goes, with the final seal of approval is the respective parents saying yay or nay.
Definitely not through work, you don't shit where you eat.
 
Experts agree
I can't take any article serious that includes that statement. Theres a reason it featured so heavily in all the propaganda in starship troopers. That seems to have been lost on people

DiggieSmalls said:
so you're saying white women do fuck dogs because they are suitable mates for them?
You know what they say don't knock it till you ride the red rocket
 
Today the vast majority of profiles are scammers using generic pix from Getty Images and whose goal is to get you to put your entire life savings into a fake cryptoshekel exchange.
That happened to a friend of mine... He started telling me how some chink woman he met on Tinder was teaching him how to trade Forex and crypto, and how he'd made a 300% return in two weeks. He pretty much refused to believe me when I told him it was an out and out scam. Then I told him, "Try and get your money out of the account and see what happens..."

Needless to say, he did not get his money out of the account. Luckily he only lost about $1000, it could have been a whole lot worse had he not happened to mention it to me when he did.
 
“The way dating is currently just makes me want to hook up locally with no stress or strings attached,” he says. “Fortunately that part comes very easy … I’m unmotivated to search for something serious for the time being.”
Dude is trying so hard to say "yeah I totally smash whenever I want I just don't want anything serious 😂" Smells like some cope to me as the vast majority of men don't have access to a no strings attached harem like he's alleging .
Young adults are so autistic and guideless nowadays that we might get a return to arranged marriages.
You really have to give adolescents cultural guidelines for courtship before they start haplessly fucking around and experimenting on their own, because they clearly can't handle it with their "own experiences". Failed relationships are not "growth as a person" like coping women's magazines claim they are, they are psychological bagagge that stay with you.
Boomers and GenX fucked their children over so fucking hard. Didn't teach them shit, and IF they taught them it was some feminism-laced garbage that didn't help them and probably even hindered them.
Incels and Cat ladies are mainstream now, and it threatens society as a whole.
But who cares, as long as boomers get their pensions and huge corporations have loads of depressed employees not distracted by useless nonprofitable shit like "pair bonding", "companionship" or "reproduction", the politicians are happy.
Correct, although when the tax base is obliterated by a lack of young consumers then they'll start to care.
 
nigger you are fucking retarded if you think you can date that easily outside in the west , the west is the easiest to get laid let me remind you a fucking pig named ethan ralph who is drug addict has two different baby mommas and divorcee breathes and reproduced and is literall embodiment of pig in human form btw . I come from a conservative slavic country i have two male cousins and a brother all of them stayed virgin til their 20s and my one cousing that is getting married got a chick after he got set into lucrative career he is marrying now . My brother is literally considered by our standards the top 10% in looks , couldnt get gf untill was able to make decent buck .My other cousing literally looks like model he works out , looks decade younger than he is, well traveled makes semi decent money his family owns several properties and has brother who is willing to help him to set him up. SINGLE fucking single . You are literally backsliding how it was in the 50s you had to be able to support family and show proof in the first three dates since you wanted to bitch and moan. The only places left for westerner where he can pick up easily chicks is literally destitute countries where women hate your guts and trash you on their native language but fuck you and marry you because they think your spoiled retarded assses have money .

I know several men in the family literally have to tell what they own both the man and his family,,how many family members they have and if they are connected or working in whats considered good companies or state job if they even want a whiff of pussy near them. YOU THINK THIS IS HARD try outside of the west where every decent woman would not touch you with a 10 foot pool unless you pay her if your mom is a bdp whore or your family doesnt own a house or your dad is alcoholic or there is bad gossip about you. And yours and hers family are involed directly or indirectly . Fucking hell you are so stupid.
Spoken like a true graduate from the Eastern European Lady School.


On a more serious tone - I agree that men don't know what they want, and that many women don't know what they want either. It's all consequences of living in this post-modernist hellhole we now call Clown World, simple as that.
 
Maybe this weird date culture that used to be a meme for not-so-young professionals is a result of people getting pickier across the board? In trying to tilt the odds more in favor of your standards you're essentially having to take the naturalness out of dating.

Can confirm that "dating" is pretty american.
My hypothesis about why is because mobility in america is way higher than in Europe.
We move around a lot though too. I don’t live in the country I was born in, and I haven’t for twenty five years now, with a couple of countries in between. I think your point and @Heed Not ‘s point about the natural settings being gone is more key.
You have a few times in your life where you are naturally surrounded by people. School, high school, college and first jobs. If you’re not hooked up by that point you no longer meet people like that. People used to at work but now the metoo stuff killed that. They used to at church, no one goes any more. There’s no opportunity to meet people naturally any more. People say hobbies but be honest, a lot of hobbies are quite sex specific.
If you’re good looking or have have no standards I’m sure it’s easy to score, but to actually find someone you like is harder - there must be a lot of people who you wouldn’t look twice at of it was just a profile app but they’re great people.
It’s another consequence of the destruction of community I suppose
 
You would think some women would come to the realization that squeezing harder and harder for material gain is going to leave most of them with nothing.
It's not about settling, it's about desiring and learning to be happy with an outcome that isn't the absolute maximum of utility.
But I guess most of them will just keep squeezing, and they'll never realize why it doesn't work.
 
Hi, I'm here for the "Gold-digging Male" position? I do dishes, laundry, pegging, uki & seme roleplay. I have experience in romcoms and streaming password recovery. I'm looking to start at $150K, with benefits.
 
Speaking as a homosexual, women are pretty fucking embarrassing these days and no goddamn wonder you uppity whores are getting muscled out for bearded men in dresses by every limp-wristed feminist who would have otherwise treated you like a goddess. This IS pretty much your fault, but we all know those daddy issues just ain't gonna let you suck in some pride and admit it.
 
There was a time, 20 something years ago, that online job and dating apps were quite useful. That lasted about a decade. I feel horrible for anyone having to
deal with either since the mid 2010's.
As difficult as things are on the home front, I do not want to go job hunting right now, especially at my age. Or dating, for that matter. All these stupid app things are just an excuse for below average girls to boost their own egos, and above average to launch theirs into another galaxy.
they are. Very much so. And that's the real blackpilling part.
Empire of dirt and ash, sounds exactly where we are headed. China Uncensored actually did an episode about the PRC's population crisis, they be like "ppl plz make bbyz 4 state." But who knew that living in a dystopian hellhole police state wasn't the greatest aphrodisiac? Can't imagine that the US is far behind in that respect, and it's allegedly a "free" nation.
The other problem is that metoo and big corpo killed workplace and hobby hookups.

You also work more hours for less pay.

Arranged marriages were just better.
The arrangement is that the rich and powerful get all the women they want and you aren't even allowed a fleshlight or waifu because it's "objectifying." Honestly there's no need for marriage anymore it's all hook-ups from now on.
That happened to a friend of mine... He started telling me how some chink woman he met on Tinder was teaching him how to trade Forex and crypto, and how he'd made a 300% return in two weeks. He pretty much refused to believe me when I told him it was an out and out scam. Then I told him, "Try and get your money out of the account and see what happens..."

Needless to say, he did not get his money out of the account. Luckily he only lost about $1000, it could have been a whole lot worse had he not happened to mention it to me when he did.
So on top of all the other garbage that modern dating is, you gotta deal with 419's spiritual successors? Fuck that.

@Drag-on Knight 91873 well when you keep calling halfway decent men incels and creeps, or at least tar them with the same brush, expect them to avoid you and resort to waifus and porn and shit. Reap what your SJW cat lady ways have bought you.

@Clusterfuckk2 I'm looking forward to all the "where have all the good men gone" rants so that I can indeed get the last laugh. Get ready all your empty egg carton JPEGs for the ultimate trolling experience!
 
The pill terms never existed when I was a teenager, nor did contemporary incel forums. Probably a good thing. Many guys are stuck in a high school mentality about dating because they haven't advanced a day over 17 in their thinking there. Then again, you don't get many frames of reference outside of that and shitty comedies if you have few opportunities to meet someone you'd actually like.

That dream of a suburban residence, minivan, white picket fence, loving wife, and 2.5 kids is what many people aspire to because "society expects them to." It's not necessarily something a person actually wants I would think.

All the shit talking aside, things didn't work out for me the few times I dated but I'm glad I got to experience at least a little bit of it before everything went to hell. It's increasingly likely I'll never meet anyone ever again but I've become okay with it, considering the cheating, drama, and diseases out there.
The dream of the house and dog/cat/kids is a nice dream because..... The man usually provides it. You get a stable home and an income to fall back on in return for (hopefully) loyalty and agreeableness.
I definitely feel so luck I met my now wife about a year before the retarded 3rd wave and Leftists triggered this dumb fuck culture war that's still raging and tearing society apart along every possible line. If I were single I sure as hell wouldn't be bothering to try now.
Lol yep.

I actually went on a brunch date this Sunday and it went nice. She actually seemed more..... Nervous/skittish than I was then we started talking and it was nice.

An hour and a half later we left and exchanged numbers.

Monday morning I get an ESSAY in text format basically saying "I didn't feel a lifelong romantic spark so NO". Amusingly I had a nearly identical response (from a dinner) about a year ago although that girl went overseas for 2 months the next day so eh.

This chick was early 30s, nice enough looking (cute not a stunner), and was employed and had her own place. Still single though..... One can only wonder.
 
Dude is trying so hard to say "yeah I totally smash whenever I want I just don't want anything serious 😂" Smells like some cope to me as the vast majority of men don't have access to a no strings attached harem like he's alleging .
You may be right, but I don't think those are necessarily the only possibilities. I don't have access to a "harem", but I've been perfectly willing to get laid when the opportunity presents itself and when it doesn't, I'd rather be celibate than endure a relationship in exchange for sex.
 
@Falcos_Commisar that may have been the case in the past, but nowadays it's no longer a viable goal for most millennials and the zoomers are royally fucked. Housing prices are way out of control and most of the jobs are getting replaced with robots and AI so yeah it never even began for most of them. And you can forget about agreeableness, that boat sailed off years ago.

It reminds me of this video on YouTube discussing incels and how the existing situation is creating them. With the prospect of no house, sometimes no car, an average or below average income, and no other thing to offer a potential partner, the modern male has nothing to strive for, nothing to offer, and no chance of having descendants to pass his meager possessions on to. You can forget about sex outside of maybe prostitution, but who the fuck wants to give a woman money just because she has a vagina? Well I know there's Twitch thots and OnlyFans users but I digress.
 
So on top of all the other garbage that modern dating is, you gotta deal with 419's spiritual successors? Fuck that.
To be fair, this same friend got sucked into the Cutco scam when we were in high school, and liquidated his 401k to open a Liberty Tax Service franchise in his 30s which subsequently failed. He's always been one to look for shortcuts to make money, and is obviously pretty gullible as well.

Monday morning I get an ESSAY in text format basically saying "I didn't feel a lifelong romantic spark so NO".
You've gotta love how otherwise functioning adults have this insane idea implanted by growing up watching Disney films and such that you'll have an instant, undeniable connection with someone and will immediately know that you're meant to live the rest of your lives together. A successful marriage takes work, and a lot of it, which is why the divorce rate is so high today.
 
“Dates feel more like job interviews now. Much more like ‘What can you do for me and where is this going?'” said Ian Breslow, a 28-year-old high school teacher who lives in Astoria.
You just gotta be a sociopath and tell her that you're picking out names for your kids on the second date, and then ask whether she'd like to go home and make those kids with you. Then you text her the next day and tell her it isn't working out. Works every time!

In all seriousness, women's expectations seem to be off the fucking charts since COVID ended. I used to get women who I would estimate were about the same level of attractiveness as I am. It was a happy equilibrium.

Now I am at like the statistical peak age of male attractiveness, I'm 6'1", I wear a suit to work, I make substantially more than the average, I work out, I've got a great family... and yet it feels like hunting through that bin of discount video games they used to have at Walmart.

And the sad part is, I actually am hunting for a wife. My expectations are not unreasonable; I'm looking for women in their late 20s/early 30s. I don't even need them to be skinny; I actually like "softer" women. I just need them to be a minimum level of attractiveness, such that I'm not embarrassed to bring them around my family.

The women I'm finding and are physically attractive to me are so fucking vapid it's insane. 33, 34 year old women have nothing in their profiles except how much they want to travel and drink "spicy margaritas". They all say they "want kids someday", but like... lady, you know you're running out of time, right? I'm not going with you to Vietnam so you can fuck around and pretend like you care about poor people; if you're serious about having a few kids like I am, we have like 6 months max to figure out if we're going to get married and have some, because after that you're going to be fucking infertile. I gotta wonder if all that birth control is fucking with their normal "baby crazy" impulses around that age.

To boot, the power dynamics are all fucked up. When online dating was newer, you used to have conversations in real time, like we did on MSN Messenger/AOL when we were kids. These days, I make an effort and I maybe get a response 24 hours later? I can only assume they just blast through the app once a day and respond to all the guys. I've wasted a lot of time and money going on dates with incompatible women, because if I actually tried to take the time to get to know them beforehand, it would be 3 months of one message per day before we got that far.

There are some more "grown up" chicks, some of whom even have good personalities. Unfortunately, so many of them are now showing up to the dinner date 50-70 lbs heavier than they portray themselves to be. I spent all this time basically making myself into the best version of me, and this is my reward? I gotta wonder what it was all for.

I shoulda just knocked up my high school girlfriend.
Like it depends on where ya look, but on dating apps like 95% of women have a profile like this
Maybe I just need to move, because I'd take that any day of the week over what I've got.
It's really alarming if you do well in person to go on apps and suddenly it's just like one word responses from women, if that. They put no effort in and wonder why the only guys they end up meeting are weird sex pests. The entitlement and then the complaining that there are no good men is nauseating.
Amen, my brother in Christ.
 
Because of course, women asking a date about marriage and what they think of childrens' education are the problem.

It is. They've been told for years to adjust their unrealistic expectations and to put SOME effort in actually helping the man to become the man they want him to be, and they couldn't even rise to that even as they begin to feel the urgency of their own eggs rotting. Why should men bankrupt themselves pursuing someone for whom 'contentment' is no longer a word in this decadent hell to which we've been condemned? I really feel for my brothers, you aren't getting a partner or someone who actually wants to put in the effort to love you, but heaven have mercy on your soul if you dare complain.
 
Women making sure they aren't starting relations with a deadbeat.

Shock. Horror.

Many men realize they are deadbeats and dislike women for having higher aspirations.

Shock. Horor.

I've seen what women have on offer and I pity them. Stupid, dumb men. They've got nothing interesting to say; know almost nothing and are a big fucking bore. Any man knows to fuck a woman you fuck her mind first, so it is no wonder they can't get past second base.

If a woman wants to fuck you they will, try and be interesting and no, talking about sup[er hero films or the most recent administration isn't going to cut it. If you were interesting, she'd fuck you, but you aren't. You are annoying, boring and stupid.
 
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