UK Young white men do have problems, but they need to man up - Yes, masculinity is in crisis, but the truth is that masculinity has always been in crisis

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Last weekend I was on a panel at the Oxford Literary Festival (sponsored by The Telegraph, if you please) and the topic was the Southport riots. In considering the subject, the excellent Tony Sewell, aka the Lord Sewell of Sanderstead, aired the view that one big cause of social unrest in Britain is that white working class boys are left behind. They’re bottom of the barrel, whether in school, higher education prospects, health, happiness, or projected income. Sewell, the chair of the 2021 Commission on Race and Ethnic Disparities report, knows the stats well. His report found that “systemic racism” is not what lies behind disparities in outcome in Britain: it’s class, and poor white youth, mostly boys, do by far the worst.

This wasn’t the first time the topic of struggling working class white boys hit the headlines. There has long been a panic about the effect that feminism, and more recently MeToo, and the discourse of “toxic” masculinity have had on their psyches, leaving them no choice but to turn to that barbarian Andrew Tate in droves.

The topic has once more caught fire since Netflix’s Adolescence came out, the miniseries about an English teenage (white, working class) boy accused of the murder of a female classmate.

So revered is Adolescence as a – perhaps the – document for our times that Keir Starmer has on multiple occasions intoned reference to it in Parliament, mistakenly and hilariously calling it a documentary. It has provoked anti-woke fury among those who believe that a white boy is the fall guy in a story of violence by another ethnic group; it is always safe, they point out, to blame a white cisgendered heterosexual male.

And it has provoked that whiny mixture of faux indignation and performative sentimentalism among those who feel, as their sons turn to Tate (or know boys who do), that they must hold their nose and take seriously the idea that perhaps this squashed, left-out, derided demographic – once the backbone of the Empire – has been given a raw deal since in the decades since wokeness began its institutional creep.

Despite its zeitgeistiness, I have refused to watch Adolescence. I may be among the last few, at least in the chattering classes, who have not tuned in.

There are several reasons for my refusal. One is that the miniseries is obviously far too depressing. When I turn on a streaming platform these days, I want something jollier, something more along the lines of The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City or The White Lotus.

The second is that, while I recognise that this group is suffering, I simply don’t feel inclined to indulge in either the huge pity party, or the jamboree of toxic-masculinity-awareness-raising, that Adolescence has inspired.

Yes, masculinity is in crisis, but the truth is that masculinity has always been in crisis – ask any social historian. And as with all moments of media-friendly crises of masculinity, we find ourselves talking about men like they are helpless little flowers. It is odd.

Working-class white boys are found to be treated badly, and therefore to do badly and act badly. One of the big issues cited is that they don’t know their worth or purpose anymore in a society constantly calling them “toxic”.

Very sad, but it is possible to get over such slights and thrive anyway. Women faced derision for almost all of history for simply being women – they were seen as neurotic, nervous, intellectually inferior, limited to backbreaking domestic labour and breeding. Any who tried to go beyond this were stymied, ridiculed and often simply barred.

Of course there was no educational encouragement or even guaranteed access, unlike that enjoyed by every single child in Britain today. And it was completely acceptable for husbands to beat or rape wives seen as intransigent, or just irritatingly alive. And still women by and large obeyed the law and tried to get on.

Some sniping about “toxic masculinity” is hardly a life sentence. And if boys are small men, and men are meant to be tough (which is why so many are frustrated now, we are told, in this “feminised” society) can’t they hold strong even in the face of adversity?

The idea that if we don’t give them all a big cultural and social hug they’ll commit violence and become arsonists and misogynists isn’t good enough. Why can’t we expect them to be decent, hardworking people … even in tough circumstances? It might be good for them, even though we’d immediately be told we are crushing them with “unrealistic expectations”.

Yes, young white men need help and encouragement and resources and schemes and mentorships and to not be told they are worthless. But they are not entirely victims either. They do have a bit of agency; they do have their own will.

I don’t wish the draft on anybody’s son
but it does occur to one that in days gone by, the majority of these rootless boys without obvious or easy prospects, held back by socioeconomic class (in far more rigid, brutal times) would have donned a uniform and gone off to war. Many would have died, which is a tragedy that is every parent’s worst nightmare.

For many, though, it was the making of them: they were scalded into men, they tasted valour, heroism and – for the more thuggish – the satisfaction of the appetite for brute force and combat, sanctioned by the state.

Let Britain be saved from a war like those that our 20th-century forefathers and mothers experienced. May conscription never be necessary again. But let us find some way to get our ne’er-do-wells, stragglers and miserable young men into something bigger than themselves, to stop them gravitating to all that is lower, nastier and meaner.
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Zoe Strimpel is a journalist, historian and author who writes a weekly column for The Sunday Telegraph. She covers gender, dating, identity, and topical events. You can find her on Twitter @realzoestrimpel.
 
Its worth remembering that rationing in Britain (including food) lasted until 1954. The population was left hungry and in misery after the war because every bit of money the country had was going to build socialism.
The difference between Atlee and Ceaucescu is that Ceaucescu paid his bills and got what he fucking deserved.
 
LMAO, she even calls herself " A Media Jew". Well, who are we to argue?

I'm not even particularly anti-jew, and I'm still starting to notice.
Oversimplified, but Ashkenazis are from Judean men nutting in Goy Roman and sometimes slavic women. They genetically cluster near south italians, greeks and some west asian populations. Ancestral homelands are Italy, sometimes eastern europe, and Israel. Genetic homeland would be somewhere in Greece and/or south Italy.

Selection pressures made them more fair, and have a higher avg IQ (it's declining to the mean though) along with other traits. They were often a middle-man in Europe and that comes with problems like forming a monopoly/syndicate, then converting wealth into political power. This can lead to political disasters. They are probably one of the most competent middle-men, and not all middle-men are the same.

Either way, the Nazis were wrong, there's nothing innately wrong/evil about Ashkenazis. They have a confusing identity with lots of baggage with an unoriginal religion. They suffer from radicalism and extremist political wishes which causes problems. Palestinians also have the same issues with extremist political wishes...

Are Ashkenazi Jews European? Yes, it is ok to cluster near some levantine populations as well anyways. Remove the bodies of water, and the Levant gets smooshed right next to SE europe anyways. Europeans were never homogenous, but it's a continous genetic fabric. Europeans can call a region of Europe their genetic homeland even if they ethnically mixed with multiple European ethnicities.

So that is what we have been dealing with for centuries. Kicking Jews out of Italy and SE europe is.would be pretty gross and immoral. But them getting kicked out of Western Europe, Eastern Europe, North Europe and Northeast Europe is justified as they did not genetically belong in those regions. I genetically cluster in the shared genetic overlap between Southern English and Northern France people. I would expect a population that was like myself to get booted after a political disaster if they lingered in regions of Europe they did not belong in.

And Jews should be welcome to the Americas and should never worry about getting kicked out. Nobody genetically belongs in the Americas. The native American's genetic homeland is NE Siberia.

Although multi-racial societies don't work. I think East coast North America should be for Europeans and West Asians only. It would be easy to create a west eurasian racial/sub-species identitity anyways. And the vast majority of Jews are West Eurasians, and they would fit in such a west eurasian state because of innate genetic make-up.
 
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Ah yes. Support the system that hates them, guarantees their women get used like sex toys by invaders and on top of that invaders get preferential treatment compared to the white bong male.

Crap deal is crap.
Not just support it, but fight and die for it.

If the Russians invaded and I was British I would join the Russians.
 
Would the men who died for their country in WW2 have done it again knowing what hell their country was heading into? Genuine question, if you knew that this was what your sacrifice was leading to, a country taken over by rape apes and being told that as a white man that they know it’s tough but suck it up.
As i understand it, the sentiment among German WW2 veterans is "we should have fought harder."

The sentiment among British veterans is "we shouldn't have fought at all."

I was going to say this. This foaming-through-the-mouth fervor over WW2 is reaching its expiration date, seeing what it all led to. The very last veterans are dying as their country decays in real time. British men died for people like Zoe, and what kind of thanks did they get? They got disenfranchised in their own country, their industries stripped down and shipped overseas, and their culture demolished while being told they never had one in the first place.

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"PUNCH NAZIS," they cry as they let Muslim hordes into the country. "PUNCH NAZIS," they cry as they bleed the country dry. "PUNCH NAZIS," they cry as they perpetuate grooming, pedophilia, and rape gangs. "PUNCH NAZIS" only means "we're going to take advantage of you, and you deserve it" now. This "toxic masculinity," just like Adolescence, is deflection, a way to point fingers at people who can solve the problem while causing it yourself. So telling men to "man up" rings hollow, especially when the country is falling into real "man up" territory.
 
I've read this before and it continues to be one of the most depressing things I ever have.
It can all change with the right paradigm shift. Europeans need to put their foot down on a shitload of troublemakers, kick/destroy people and make it both politically and socially clear that this is our homeland, these are our nations, these are our societies and stop being tolerant. Don't be an actor in this sick political theatre, burn it all down including the director.
 
I can't possibly work out where the media are going with this one.

The not-so-conservative party of black women and Indians at the last UK election proposed a plan for "national service".

It would be made up of two things for 18-year-olds to choose from:

  • Community volunteering: Spending one weekend every month - which equates to 25 days over a 12-month period - volunteering with organisations such as the NHS, fire service, ambulance, search and rescue, and critical local infrastructure
  • Military training: Applying for one of up to 30,000 “selective” military placements reserved for teenagers deemed the “brightest and the best” in areas like logistics, cyber security, procurement or civil response operations over a year-long period
So in fact what the "conservative" party was proposing wasn't military conscription at all. It was a program to better integrate young people into socialism and serving the labor needs of the socialist state & ultimately the labor party.
 
I also find it rather hypocritical and ironic how SJWs think they can freely say "man up": there is that "gender binary bad" BS they claim, and it should be seen by SJWs as "sexist" or "misogynist" to tell a woman to "lady up" or something like that. Shows yet again how they believe "it's OK when we do it" and the "hierarchy of oppression" BS.
 
Community volunteering: Spending one weekend every month - which equates to 25 days over a 12-month period - volunteering with organisations such as the NHS, fire service, ambulance, search and rescue, and critical local infrastructure
So in fact what the "conservative" party was proposing wasn't military conscription at all. It was a program to better integrate young people into socialism and serving the labor needs of the socialist state & ultimately the labor party.
And here we observe a rootless cosmopolitan in its natural habitat. It doesn't have a community, or a family, or anybody that gives a shit if it lives or dies, and it thinks that nobody else should either.

Yet paradoxically, this one wasn't actually born a rootless cosmopolitan (i.e. a jew) rather, it became one after exessive repeated sustained brain trauma (i.e. a libetarian).

Libertarians are truly the bottom feeding scum of the political world. Unironically worse that the trannies, the wokescolds and the SJWs. They kind of retards who see community fire service and start screeching about socialism.

Imagine unironically worshipping margret thatcher and thinking she didn't go too far enough.
 
The not-so-conservative party of black women and Indians at the last UK election proposed a plan for "national service".

It would be made up of two things for 18-year-olds to choose from:

  • Community volunteering: Spending one weekend every month - which equates to 25 days over a 12-month period - volunteering with organisations such as the NHS, fire service, ambulance, search and rescue, and critical local infrastructure
  • Military training: Applying for one of up to 30,000 “selective” military placements reserved for teenagers deemed the “brightest and the best” in areas like logistics, cyber security, procurement or civil response operations over a year-long period
So in fact what the "conservative" party was proposing wasn't military conscription at all. It was a program to better integrate young people into socialism and serving the labor needs of the socialist state & ultimately the labor party.
When you "conserve" so much you make white men into slaves for foreign hordes.
 
I looked to see if she had children and apparently she had her first recently in 2023. A daughter, at 41 years old. What a walking stereotype lol.

"British men need to go ahead and die in a war...for Ukraine and Israel"
I wonder how many boys she aborted along the way to get that girl. My money is in the double digits.
"I'm not saying we need the draft"

"Obviously conscription is horrible"

"In times gone by, putting on the uniform helped men find purpose"


I can't possibly work out where the media are going with this one.
Has the British Army broken out the ads filled with white lads?
 
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