Zoomer aversion to marriage - The Consequences and Societal Rammifications

[DerKryptid]

The ancient Israelites predicted it in 4500 BC with Sodom and Gammorah

Humanity has ALWAYS known that a society that gives up the family in favor of the State and morality in favor of hedonism is doomed. Hell, the Mouse Utopia experiment pretty much created a scientific basis for this traditional knowledge. Behavioral Sink.

I see it every day now. I live in the country but I have to work in the city. The people who live in the cities have gone mad. I drop my trash off at the county dump in the mornings. Everyone is all smiles and waves. Drive into town. And it's absolute cringing fear. Everyone is wearing their virtue signals on their sleeves, hiding their faces, and every business has the "please don't smash our windows" signs up. Beyond that it's just the "smell". I cannot put it into words but it is the same smell I smelled in Baghdad. A combination of fear and no longer caring.

Getting to live in both worlds now is jarring. The city people have gone absolutely insane. They stink of it.

God predicted it when eve ate that retarded apple, owned

What do I win?

 

[mindlessobserver]

God predicted it when eve ate that retarded apple, owned

What do I win?

The knowledge that we are fucked.

 

[Lemmingwise]

God predicted it when eve ate that retarded apple, owned

What do I win?

Nothing, because nowhere in the bible it says apple. It says "fruit".

 

[DerKryptid]

Nothing, because nowhere in the bible it says apple. It says "fruit".

 

[Xenarthran]

Housing is basically unaffordable for anyone nowadays, and dating has been made extremely hard due to hookup culture and the internet. It's basically impossible to get married now, even if you try your hardest. Really nothing you can do about it at all. Eventually it will collapse everything. Or maybe it'll turn around. Who knows.

 

[DerKryptid]

Housing is basically unaffordable for anyone nowadays, and dating has been made extremely hard due to hookup culture and the internet. It's basically impossible to get married now, even if you try your hardest. Really nothing you can do about it at all. Eventually it will collapse everything. Or maybe it'll turn around. Who knows.

I agree but you are still a faggot

 

[Gay Mouth]

For almost the entire recorded history, as well as somewhat beyond, it was a tradition to get married somewhere between 14-24. A lot of customs around it have shifted, but it is pretty significant that people aren't having marrying and having children when their prospects of healthy offspring are at their best.

When people talk about zoomers in this sense they're comparing every new 22 year old with yesteryears 22 yearold. Same for every age that is considered a zoomer.

Btw kids 11 years and younger are generation alpha.

I got married “young”- as in, most people around me were freaked out I got married at 22, after 4.5 years together. 3 years in, all my friends who were scared of or wary of marriage are single, emotionally stunted, and/or well on their way to eternal singleness or rushed panic marriages. At this point, I believe marriage before 25 is the way to go. Marry young, with wisdom (like don’t marry the first guy you dated if he’s a piece of crap, but don’t drag it out if your partner is a good person). Pump out as many kids as you want as quickly as you can, weather poverty while you’re young and spry, and enjoy your awesome life as a consequence.

Or idk go to college, go into debt, get fucked by dozens of chads who use your body, become jaded, harden and lose the ability to grow and change with a life partner, and die with toxoplasmosis while your cats nibble your toes

 

[Haim Arlosoroff]

Country	Number of marriages in 1985 per 1,000 people in the population	Number of marriages in 2016 per 1,000 people in the population
United States	10.1	7.0
Israel	6.9	6.2
The EU	6.2	4.4
Mexico	7.4	4.4
Chile	7.5	3.4
Argentina	6.3 (1983)	2.7

Ok, at least we aren't Argentina. Mauricio Macri really whored himself out at the 2016 World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland, didn't he?

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Assuming Wikipedia's Generations are correct and that the average age of their first marriage in the US in 1985 was 24.7 for men and 22.0 for women and in 2016 was 29.9 for men and 27.9 for women then the Baby Boomers married 144% of the 2016 level and Millennials married at 70% the rate of 1985. The biggest problem for the rate of marriage is that marriages have not leveled off their median age yet. What this means is that people are marrying later and later which slows the average marriages per year down until people hit a later and later target age and marry. For example, if everyone married at 18 in 1918 and 19 in 1919 and 20 in 1920 then the people born in 1900 would have all married in 1918 and the levels would drop to zero until the upper limit of "age when first married" peaked and then everyone born after 1900 would marry again. In reality marriages are being delayed just about exactly two months older per year since 1998.

It hasn't yet.​

So marriages will each in reality happen two months later every year until some upper limit peaks and then the level of marriages will go from a valley suddenly to a peak as everyone's age catches up to the median age and then back down to a sane level as each younger person hits the median age. Assuming of course that we aren't in an unsustainable economic condition where America is turning into a bunch of eggheads who can't repair their toilet. Then the median age will hit the roof as fewer and fewer people reach the level of economic security as they age out. The marriage age then would hit 50 or even 60 as virtually nobody marries anyway.

In a healthy recovery it will peak as it did in 1946, and then level at ~10 marriages per 1000 people per year.​

People, best case instead, are going to marry later and later, and the post-WWII marriage rate was never the American Standard anyway. However it has begun to peak above the average in 1990 for men and 1980 for women, like due to economic concerns for men and rising economic expectation for women. The signs are worrying but aren't as much the breakdown of the sexes as much as the far larger economic factors which are being hidden by media beneath upper class misandrist arguments which the working class women don't believe anyway. America isn't able to have sane conversations about changing demographics across the board, as the demographic victors don't want to change things and the demographic losers have no voice. Silently women are adapting to their new level of education and marrying down. High School or Less people are having quite a rough time go at things and delaying/going without their marriages because of it. All of this is class problems and hardly any of it is gender problems. If the overall marriage rate settles, then America will patriotically, socially, and economically settle down into a New Normal which could be hated but yet still tolerated. I less and less see a settling down of things.

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While its true women are even losing their attachment to education in mate selection, as the bottom has fallen out on the number of educated men in their dating pool, and the educated are marrying at higher and higher levels. Its however clearly still trending towards utter unsustainablity because Postgraduate men are marrying at exactly similar rates as before and postgraduate women are the only ones actually marrying at higher rates—above 80% for the first time in human history, the reality is that "Some College" men went from 90% married down to 77% and "Some College" women went from 91% married down to 83%. The upper end of the educated are the only ones "who are winning", and their new attainment (which was their women getting married above 70%) rose the age of first marriage into the stratosphere and overall unmarried women up to 1/5 of the population! The American Economy isn't working for at least the bottom 1/5 anymore—raising the median age of first marriage—and the GDP from their decline is going to hit in the next ten years, assuming the rate of failure doesn't grow to 1/4, 1/3, or even 1/2 of the population. I think the 2020s will see either disaster inevitable, the American economy restructures to lower the rate of failure back down to <10%, or a severe economic downturn approaches where >1/3 of society aren't participating patriotically, socially, or economically as they see they cannot win. I hope the female percentage of college levels out, marriage returns, and America starts working for more than the 36.7% of women who have postgraduate degrees in underwater basket-weaving. Otherwise America is going to be running on a demographic decline until suddenly it isn't even remotely sanely operating and stable in a few decades time.

Fuck, I hate this gay earth and its hedonism. Oswald Spengler, Aldous Huxley, and Sir John Glubb were right. People are just going to run on the treadmills our economy tells them will profit them in the end, and then the economy isn't going to pay them back. This is going to be far worse than slavery politically for America but the majority are still fat and happy so its going to become unfixable long before its apparent how badly people collectively got screwed by Globohomo. Fuck, I hate this gay earth and its hedonism.

 

[Lemmingwise]

I got married “young”- as in, most people around me were freaked out I got married at 22, after 4.5 years together. 3 years in, all my friends who were scared of or wary of marriage are single, emotionally stunted, and/or well on their way to eternal singleness or rushed panic marriages. At this point, I believe marriage before 25 is the way to go

It worked out for all the people I know that did this.

I'm sure it doesn't always work out, but I believe it gives people the best shot.

 

[Buttigieg2020]

Everyone is talking about the US, but that’s where the marriage trend is most common and most stable? Poor Bolivia.

 

[Xenarthran]

At this point, I believe marriage before 25 is the way to go. Marry young, with wisdom

Shit, I better hurry up because time is running out for me. I'm a 19, going on 20 year old virgin.

 

[Lemmingwise]

Shit, I better hurry up because time is running out for me. I'm a 19, going on 20 year old virgin.

My brother hadn't even kissed anyone until he was 22. He got into a relationship with someone who ended up having almost the same origin story of life difficulties and they're still happily married now.

You can make it.

It helps to make some choices where you frequently meet women though.

 

[Gay Mouth]

Shit, I better hurry up because time is running out for me. I'm a 19, going on 20 year old virgin.

Big tip- focusing on your ‘virgin’ status, positive or negative, will not help you. Your goal here shouldn’t be notches on your belt, it should be finding and securing a good life partner. To the right person, it will be a gift that you aren’t jaded and broken by being used or using strangers. A person who would scorn you for not bagging more sex partners isn’t going to be a good spouse. Work on becoming an ideal partner- if you’re a girl, learn critical thinking and acquire life skills that will benefit your future family, such as cooking, housekeeping, bookkeeping, tutoring and other skills that will make you a blessing to your children and husband. If you’re a guy, knock off porn and get a work ethic, become someone capable of breadwinning, discipline, leadership and responsibility. Have high standards and live up to high standards.

Love is the most important, but love isn’t just feelings bereft of reason. My husband and I fall more in love all the time, and one of the most amorous points in our relationship is we both keep getting BETTER. It’s seriously a huge turn on/confidence builder to see your partner Chad the fuck up day by day and year by year.

If you’re gay tho I can’t help you you’re in a sinking ship of emotionally stunted rats, good
Luck you you

 

[Haim Arlosoroff]

Your goal here shouldn’t be notches on your belt, it should be finding and securing a good life partner.

Sort of, the problem is that being charming to a woman often doesn't come until you've got intuitions about women. Intuitions which you can only get with time and experience. Society has taken that and run away with it, to the point a few women think that they have to be on Tinder to meet up for anonymous sex in order to meet their future husband. Its surprising love hasn't collapsed more, but unsurprising why Onlyfans logically followed those clueless hopefuls journey through technology and love. Men became the same sort of insanity first, notches don't matter to your wife or your kids. Anyone who cares about notches isn't going to help you to make your marriage succeed.

One horrible, but useful, piece of advice that helped me understand and be confidant with women is to date cougars who know they're just not marriage material. It feels wrong to date them knowing its not going anywhere, but like a rat on a sinking ship you just have to figure out any trick to survive modernity yourself long before you can hope to help others by changing things. When a man dates someone he isn't so desperate to please, he learns to calm down and act properly. However people have to learn how to accomplish that, I suppose. Its hard to get those first few mannerisms that then become confidence, and eventually make men instinctively romantic. Its a process, and society is breaking it trying to make a buck or two.

Learning to stand tall and be your own judge rather than letting a broken society tell you what a man should be is another key turning point in today's life. Deciding to be a good Christian, to earn your pay regardless of your boss so that you can tell yourself that you're a good man, and learning how real men in history thought and acted was my escape. Its hardest to accept the humiliation that we need to unlearn habits and intuitions which society puts on men via advertising. Woman want to be held more than they care about the finest aftershave or haircut, teasing women when you're together is more romantic than the most expensive restaurants, and its surprising how fast you can convince your wife when you speak matter-of-factually about something.

Learn the difference between women, they are not emotionally or morally similar to each other, when you can actually see that behind the male hormonal haze then you realize you need to find a type of woman not attract the most women. If you're too autistic to start dating and figuring that out, then you can get on the ridiculously low rung on the ladder to marriage by studying the female MBTI types like ISFJ, ESFJ, ESFP, and ENFP. Find which one you would like to date, and then look for women who seem to think and act like those types. MBTI is far too simple, its like autistic horoscopes, but if you are that lowly it can help you to see how people are internally different and how to keep your woman happy alongside you on the first few dates. Just don't argue her into a mental box, but let the box fall away as you get better ideas of why she thinks and acts.

Its hard how the 80/20 rule works with dating, 80% of the work is appearing put-together by women and the last 20% is how to perfectly surprise her emotionally with the time and attention which keeps her looking at you expectantly.

 

[Ghost of Wesley Willis]

I'd say zoomers aren't getting married thanks in part to a lot being mentally and emotionally stunted from poor parenting or crippling porn addictions. I've had to work with countless zoomers who have no real concept about things like love, sex, commitment, or just basic human emotions because they got almost all their views on these things from movies or YouTube.

 

[Law]

Depends on where you are aiming at. I still hit it with girls in their early twenties and sometimes 18-19 year olds.

How damaged are these teenagers that they go after your prehistoric ass? What did their fathers do to them?

 

[Lemmingwise]

Sort of, the problem is that being charming to a woman often doesn't come until you've got intuitions about women. Intuitions which you can only get with time and experience. Society has taken that and run away with it, to the point a few women think that they have to be on Tinder to meet up for anonymous sex in order to meet their future husband. Its surprising love hasn't collapsed more, but unsurprising why Onlyfans logically followed those clueless hopefuls journey through technology and love. Men became the same sort of insanity first, notches don't matter to your wife or your kids. Anyone who cares about notches isn't going to help you to make your marriage succeed.

One horrible, but useful, piece of advice that helped me understand and be confidant with women is to date cougars who know they're just not marriage material. It feels wrong to date them knowing its not going anywhere, but like a rat on a sinking ship you have to survive yourself before you can help others. When a man dates someone he isn't so desperate to please, he learns to calm down and act properly. However people learn how to accomplish that I suppose. Its hard to get those first few mannerisms that then become confidence, and eventually make men instinctively romantic. Its a process, and society is breaking it trying to make a buck or two.

Learning to stand tall and be your own judge rather than letting a broken society tell you what a man should be is another key turning point in today's life. Deciding to be a good Christian, to earn your pay regardless of your boss so that you can tell yourself that you're a good man, and learning how real men in history thought and acted was my escape. Its hardest to accept the humiliation that we need to unlearn habits and intuitions which society puts on men via advertising. Woman want to be held more than they care about the finest aftershave or haircut, teasing women when you're together is more romantic than the most expensive restaurants, and its surprising how fast you can convince your wife when you speak matter-of-factually about something.

Learn the difference between women, they are not emotionally or morally similar to each other, when you can actually see that behind the male hormonal haze then you realize you need to find a type of woman not attract the most women.

This guy knows what he's talking about.

 

[RainwaterDrop]

How damaged are these teenagers that they go after your prehistoric ass? What did their fathers do to them?

I'm not that old lol!

Shit, I better hurry up because time is running out for me. I'm a 19, going on 20 year old virgin.

Nigga relax, there is no set timeline for happyness. Take your time, improve yourself and don't go around marrying the first woman who gives you a smile, better to walk a long path to joy than to suffer long after a quick journey!

 

[EyelessMC]

You can source it back to 1880s in documents, in families commected to both Orwell and his teacher Huxley. They predicted it, because they saw the plans.

As a matter of fact, wasn't Huxley's Brave New World in a large part inspired by the Mouse Utopia Experiment? If I recall, the guy was genuinely horrified at the results and their details because he instantly recognized how their application to human society would be an inescapable nightmare.

 

[ditto]

As a matter of fact, wasn't Huxley's Brave New World in a large part inspired by the Mouse Utopia Experiment? If I recall, the guy was genuinely horrified at the results and their details because he instantly recognized how their application to human society would be an inescapable nightmare.

Brave New World was written 40 years prior in the 1920s when nazi ideas about eugenics were considered "the science" and a few people like Huxley were clearsighted enough to see the horrifying conclusions.