Tabletop Community Watch

[Wormy]

That's what's so great about tabletop gaming. You can ignore anything you don't like and homebrew the rest and there's nothing the Woke can do about it.

And that's why I don't worry about Ess Jay Dubyas in the hobby.

 

[Shaka Brah]

And that's why I don't worry about Ess Jay Dubyas in the hobby.

The problem isn't that you can homebrew whatever, it's that the more of them come into the hobby (more specifically, into the industry) the more they shit up the books so nothing good is published anymore. Every hobby needs a healthy mainstream to thrive. It needs new blood to get the right introduction from big players, not increasingly isolated groups of grognards trying to hold back the tide of Critical Role and whatever.

I might force my players to play Reign, with its 2000 page player's handbook, but I can only do it after I run the D&D whateverth edition they sell in stores and get them used to something simple that they identify with. If the new edition of D&D is shitty and gay, and they expect feces and homosexuality in their games, it's harder to convince them to play games the way we remember playing them.

 

[Wormy]

The problem isn't that you can homebrew whatever, it's that the more of them come into the hobby (more specifically, into the industry) the more they shit up the books so nothing good is published anymore.

So I keep playing the stuff that's worked for us.

If me and my group are isolated, then so fucking be it. I'm neither going to cowtow to the pop trend, nor am I going to waste much time crying about wokescolds in groups I have nothing to do with.

I might force my players to play Reign, with its 2000 page player's handbook, but I can only do it after I run the D&D whateverth edition they sell in stores and get them used to something simple that they identify with. If the new edition of D&D is shitty and gay, and they expect feces and homosexuality in their games, it's harder to convince them to play games the way we remember playing them.

That's why you expose them to the good stuff in the first place. I've never in nearly 30 years had to break my players in with the newest hip thing first.

 

[Kabuki Actor]

Bumpfag is trying to do free publicity for one of his kid's shows, and the astroturf is so obvious that everyone is aiming shill accusations at him, even without knowing that it's definitely a Bumpfag thread.

 

[Eldar faggot]

GW originally just created a satire of fascism bordering on goofy just to sell plastic toys. I mean, look at this poster and tell me that the Space Marines weren't originally portrayed as fruit loops:

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Please stop. You're applying modern American politics to a British game from the late 70s and early 80s. Fascism is not a dirty word there and there were still active fascist political parties with real support during that era. American satire and British Satire look nothing alike and you posted examples with the picture. The Imperium is based on the British Empire and it's obvious decline over the last century, it was the biggest dog in the yard but completely ineffective at doing anything. They conquered the world while British Rail is still 20 minutes late on every train stop, there's grand cathedrals and works of art while the roads are full of pot holes. The historical elements were added because of the rule of cool, space marines are cool so they go in. Historical units are cool and easy to get figures for so they go in. 40k was not built as a single universe with an intended satire or focus to attack anything. Imperial guard using whatever figures you could buy from WW2 plastic makers would have been the defacto guardsman of the early eras of 40k. You took what you could get and GW were still selling other systems, so buying a box of (I don't know) Tamiya WW2 infantry was as good as buying a box of RT1 space marines to them.

The religious elements are taken in the 2000's edgy atheist way instead of the more punk attitude of the era. If you were a mod or a punk in the era you might be an atheist and shit on the church with your friends but you still paid respect to the local vicar when he came round for tea. You had respect for the local church even if you thought the wider church was full of kiddy fiddling whackos. The Church of England is nothing like the American church and you can't apply American commentary made to a universe pre-air travel for the masses where other than movies and the occasional TV show American culture wasn't impacting the UK culture the way it has since the late 90s.

The dancing marines is classic English humour. It's not supposed to be taken seriously, it's just a piss take. It's a bit of banter at the expense of no one because everyone gets a chuckle. A modern example would be books being written on Transgender nazis and the how common cross dressing was. Those pictures were a joke among friends, no one took them seriously because the joke was obvious. Now culture has gone so corrupt an obvious joke (man in a dress) is a serious political movement.

I stopped wargaming years ago because there were too many interesting games and not enough people willing to play them, so I guess I could be exhibit A for what you say.

But still, at the time when I stopped paying attention, it looked like every mini gamer with a copy of Zbrush was selling STLs of fantasy landsknechts and aztec dinosaur men.
Also, I was kind of an extreme example. I was looking at wildly different and obscure games. When we're talking about competing editions and obsolescence of a single, highly popular game, it sort of proves my point. That's GW consoomer churn mentality talking. If you have the minis, the prefered edition, a bunch of similarly disgruntled buddies, and somewhere to push your little plastic army mans, who gives a shit about the next edition with all-new chutes and ladders mechanics, and the dopes who fall for it?

GW dominating has always been a problem with tabletop gaming. People take the easy path and no one is going spend the cash on new games no one else is paying. You can find small groups and the occasional store if you look hard enough but GW still dominates.

3D printing isn't going to make a difference. People will print Warhammer models to save money and keep playing 40k.

So I keep playing the stuff that's worked for us.

If me and my group are isolated, then so fucking be it. I'm neither going to cowtow to the pop trend, nor am I going to waste much time crying about wokescolds in groups I have nothing to do with.

That's why you expose them to the good stuff in the first place. I've never in nearly 30 years had to break my players in with the newest hip thing first.

Big companies don't care if you isolate yourself. You're not important when a troon will buy all the DnD books they can get. Better a crowd of idiots than one intelligent customer. Isolation is a solution if you have a very stable group with few risks of losing any one. That's not the majority of people and it's no safe guard against one of your group finding a SJW girl willing to tickle his pickle and going whole hog causing internal drama. Girlfriends influencing guys in a group destroys many old friendships.

Bumpfag is trying to do free publicity for one of his kid's shows, and the astroturf is so obvious that everyone is aiming shill accusations at him, even without knowing that it's definitely a Bumpfag thread.

Looks like you're helping market his kickstarter there..

Why doesn't the thread have any cow content? It's all Roleplayers discussing disclaimers and very minor spats. Tabletop gaming is full of cows ready to be documented, why isn't the thread full of Reddit screencaps and creator's insanity? Might as well go back to the games subforum if it's going to be about the games instead of the people playing them.

 

[Newman's Lovechild]

3D printing isn't going to make a difference. People will print Warhammer models to save money and keep playing 40k.

Did you assume I meant people were printing fantasy landsknechts and aztec dinosaur men to play HOTT or Warlords of Erehwon?

Might as well go back to the games subforum if it's going to be about the games instead of the people playing them.

 

[Corn Flakes]

@Eldar faggot

Why doesn't the thread have any cow content? It's all Roleplayers discussing disclaimers and very minor spats. Tabletop gaming is full of cows ready to be documented, why isn't the thread full of Reddit screencaps and creator's insanity? Might as well go back to the games subforum if it's going to be about the games instead of the people playing them.

Mostly because the really productive cows like David Hill already have threads, and the tabletop creator "space" isn't as it was before. There are no new "big" names anymore. Every blue-haired asshole in striped socks can go on Kickstarter and pitch a "game" about trans-disabled POC of color, but by and large these "authors" aren't interesting. The dumb takes they produce are essentially the same shit you see in the SJW thread. I know @Adamska has a personal lolcow in Venger Satanis (and make no mistake, the guy is a cow), but from what I checked of his social media presence he's still just... kind of boring on the day-to-day.

But hey, you're the newfag here. If you think a thread doesn't have enough content, don't go bitching about it. Be the autism you want to see in the world and bring in the content instead.

 

[Eldar faggot]

@Eldar faggot

Mostly because the really productive cows like David Hill already have threads, and the tabletop creator "space" isn't as it was before. There are no new "big" names anymore. Every blue-haired asshole in striped socks can go on Kickstarter and pitch a "game" about trans-disabled POC of color, but by and large these "authors" aren't interesting. The dumb takes they produce are essentially the same shit you see in the SJW thread. I know @Adamska has a personal lolcow in Venger Satanis (and make no mistake, the guy is a cow), but from what I checked of his social media presence he's still just... kind of boring on the day-to-day.

But hey, you're the newfag here. If you think a thread doesn't have enough content, don't go bitching about it. Be the autism you want to see in the world and bring in the content instead.

I'm not good at archiving stuff.

My store manager doesn't like PC star wars so the UK is a dangerous place to be a troon.

Autistic man can't decide if he's a woman or a cross dresser so turns a channel about warhammer/model trains/hot wheels into a cross dressing fashion channel.

Which 40k factions support being a troon?

Exodites:

- Yes, absolutely. Their focus on holistic living would probably make a medical transition the most accepted out of any faction.

Jannies ready to ban any one questioning the narrative in the stickied comment.

Are furries taking over DnD?
Top comment is a furry tranny saying they have no interest in the game, they want it to be a safe space and the rules they play by doesn't matter.
User r/Dyphe's profile showing posts pointing mentally ill people to quick and dirty doctors willing to give them titty skittles. He was the top comment in the furries in DnD post.

It's so easy to find stuff like this I don't know why there's not more of it. Doesn't have to be big name creators, tabletop is so full of the autistic it's full of funny crap. I don't have a lot of free time to spend arching reddit content or I would do more.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

@Eldar faggot

Spoiler: 40K SHIZ

Wasn't the ELDAR EMPIRE the one that represented the British Empire? Also, yes, that was the politics of 40K when it was made; liberal Brits were pissy that they have a conservative prime minister and thought she was a fascist; 40K was hardly unique in that regard, Watchmen and Judge Dredd also followed a similar pattern. It wasn't American politics at all-British politics and a lot of people in Britain are far more liberal than Americans were, hence why they were more open about mocking a conservative prime minister whereas most American works in the 80s were more pro-conservative. In fact, aside from satirizing right-wingers, 40K, along with other works like Judge Dredd, also satirized American cinema and what they saw to be its obsession with gratuitous violence at the time. (Think Stallone in Rambo, or Schwarzenegger in Commando.) Hence why the main characters are Space Marines who are big guys with big guns. Far from emulating American politics, they were kind of mocking American cinema to a certain extent, with its over-enthusiasm for violence.

And of course, the people who don't think that 40K is a satire of fascism and right-wing religion (seriously, just look up the panic that some in the religious majority had over D&D and other tales with magic at the time) are people who came in through Third Edition onwards; people who came in once 40K transformed into THIS IS SERIOUS GUYZ mode which threw away the satire and comedy of the original 40K for grimdark elements to reel in the edgelord crowd who were sick of the sanitized culture of the 90s. Except, unlike other works like Fallout and Starcraft which tried to mix grimdark with comedy and even hope for the future, (Fallout 1 and 2, as well as Starcraft 1 end on a hopeful note) 40K went full in with the grim dark and went for no hope at all. But that originally wasn't the case with 40K, where prior to 3rd Edition, the story wasn't all that serious, it was more tongue-in-cheek, made by Brits making fun of their own government and the Americans.

So it really doesn't surprise me when GW sucks up to the left and openly says things like this:

"There are no goodies in the Warhammer 40,000 universe.

None.

Especially not the Imperium of Man.

Its numberless legions of soldiers and zealots bludgeon their way across the galaxy, delivering death to anyone and anything that doesn’t adhere to their blinkered view of purity. Almost every man and woman toils in misery either on the battlefield – where survival is measured in hours – or in the countless manufactorums and hive slums that fuel the Imperial war machine. All of this in slavish servitude to the living corpse of a God-Emperor whose commandments are at best only half-remembered, twisted by time and the fallibility of Humanity.

Warhammer 40,000 isn’t just grimdark. It’s the grimmest, darkest.

The Imperium of Man stands as a cautionary tale of what could happen should the very worst of Humanity’s lust for power and extreme, unyielding xenophobia set in. Like so many aspects of Warhammer 40,000, the Imperium of Man is satirical.

For clarity: satire is the use of humour, irony, or exaggeration, displaying people’s vices or a system’s flaws for scorn, derision, and ridicule. Something doesn’t have to be wacky or laugh-out-loud funny to be satire. The derision is in the setting’s amplification of a tyrannical, genocidal regime, turned up to 11. The Imperium is not an aspirational state, outside of the in-universe perspectives of those who are slaves to its systems. It’s a monstrous civilisation, and its monstrousness is plain for all to see.

That said, certain real-world hate groups – and adherents of historical ideologies better left in the past – sometimes seek to claim intellectual properties for their own enjoyment, and to co-opt them for their own agendas."

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/11/19/the-imperium-is-driven-by-hate-warhammer-is-not/

This was always Games Workshop's position. They didn't previously have a conservative/neutral leadership that got overtaken by liberals and now they're going full-PC to appease the leftoids. They were always on the left, and have been unapologetically leftist from day 1 of Warhammer 40K being made. It's not like Marvel where they used to make comics bashing Commies in the old days, and now they make comics for rainbow-haired SJWs. That's just how things are in Britain. They seceded from the European Union, and yet they're still as liberal as the average Blue State in America, or modern-day Canada.

People who think that the Imperium are the good guys, or that it's somehow "necessary" to keep the aliens and hostile daemons out, are not taking things in context. The whole point of the story is that the Imperium is a self-sabotaging beast that treats its people like shit and is a satire of tyrannical governments, not a dark necessity in a dark universe. Rick Priestley, the guy that people like you are so eager to dismiss, was even called by Andy Chambers as "the original Emperor of Warhammer 40,000". And Andy worked at GW for over 14 years developing the game and writing codexes, so he obviously knows what he's saying. And even after Priestley left 40K, his politics remained, and now, we see GW openly making statements that yes, the Imperium is not heroic in the slightest. Individual humans may be heroic, but the faction in itself is full of self-deluded morons, and was created as a satire of fascism and religious bigotry in mind.

So I keep playing the stuff that's worked for us.

If you have friends who will play with you on that, you're pretty much set, and can just ignore whatever the companies do nowadays.

If me and my group are isolated, then so fucking be it. I'm neither going to cowtow to the pop trend, nor am I going to waste much time crying about wokescolds in groups I have nothing to do with.

You can't change their mind, and they can't change yours. Separating from them is the wisest decision, although you should also keep an eye out for disappointed players for the newer editions, you might be able to recruit them to your version of playing the game.

That's why you expose them to the good stuff in the first place. I've never in nearly 30 years had to break my players in with the newest hip thing first.

That advice works for everything, even outside tabletop games. From video games, TV, movies, and even books, the list goes on.

 

[Eldar faggot]

@LORD IMPERATOR
It won't let me quote you for some reason.

You are still doing the American politics reference point. Liberalism in the UK has until very recently been working class politics. Unions against the establishment is the left/right divide of the era. The only people calling Thatcher a fascist were intellectual bird watchers studying braile poetry at university. They were made fun of even by the BBC at the time, where those type of characters were the annoying, preachy, everyone thinks they're a wanker. They weren't in any social groups but their own and they were in no way connected to the game design or historical networks influencing the tabletop and computer games being made of that era.

Britain isn't more liberal than America, it's different. America is more religious and puritanical while the UK is much more laid back religiously. The left wing of the 1970s and early 80s brought into the modern political compass would be the Norf FC meme. Love me mum, love footie, love a good pie. Simple as. Working class kids voting labour at the time went around putting pakis and nonces in hospital for their weekend fun. They wore ex army jackets, big stompy boots and the only people getting a bigger battering than the pakis were the rival football team's fans when they were in town. If they could get hold of a camo jacket they would wear it. Probably get some street cred if it was a German one in their small town while everyone else had old British ones from the ex army shop.

Tony Blair in the 90s is when labour became new labour and adopted American style globalism. The Green party and the Liberal democrats were the type of parties the university kids voted for and have never been a serious political force. They were not influencing Warhammer in any fashion. The Warhammer crowd grew out of the historical gaming crowd and if you talk to the original staff they will tell you about using any plastic soldiers they could get. Characters and factions evolved from standing collections and games they were playing in their wargame come roleplaying games of the era.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

Spoiler: 40K SHIZ LOL

@LORD IMPERATOR
It won't let me quote you for some reason.

You are still doing the American politics reference point. Liberalism in the UK has until very recently been working class politics. Unions against the establishment is the left/right divide of the era. The only people calling Thatcher a fascist were intellectual bird watchers studying braile poetry at university. They were made fun of even by the BBC at the time, where those type of characters were the annoying, preachy, everyone thinks they're a wanker. They weren't in any social groups but their own and they were in no way connected to the game design or historical networks influencing the tabletop and computer games being made of that era.

Liberalism in America was similar during the 80s and 90s. The great liberal coalition of the Clintons mainly relied upon the working class, and it was only recently did the left finally ditch the white working class for the SJW/minority vote, which allowed Trump to recruit disaffected working class people into his electorate. And yes, the people calling Thatcher a fascist were university-types, in other words, geeks and nerds. Quick question: what kind of people wrote 40K's early lore? Geeks and nerds.

And yes, they were prominent among British fiction-writers, since Judge Dredd and Watchmen, as well as V for Vendetta, also had the same bent as 40K when it came to "satirizing fascism". Judge Dredd turned the American state into a police state governed by self-proclaimed judges, V for Vendetta made British conservatives into literal fascists, and 40K likewise wrapped the Imperium up in the aesthetics of fascism and traditionalism while making them prop up a rabid atheist as a god and making them the most self-sabotaging faction in the series, even worse than the Eldar. And the Eldar quite literally "gave birth" to a Chaos God. But they don't make the people of their own empire languish in horrible conditions the way the Imperium does.

Britain isn't more liberal than America, it's different. America is more religious and puritanical while the UK is much more laid back religiously. The left wing of the 1970s and early 80s brought into the modern political compass would be the Norf FC meme. Love me mum, love footie, love a good pie. Simple as. Working class kids voting labour at the time went around putting pakis and nonces in hospital for their weekend fun. They wore ex army jackets, big stompy boots and the only people getting a bigger battering than the pakis were the rival football team's fans when they were in town. If they could get hold of a camo jacket they would wear it. Probably get some street cred if it was a German one in their small town while everyone else had old British ones from the ex army shop.

America is more religious and puritanical than the UK; religiosity and puritanism are conservative values. Ergo, America is more conservative than the UK. What passes for right-wing in the UK would at most, be libertarian or center-right in America.

Tony Blair in the 90s is when labour became new labour and adopted American style globalism. The Green party and the Liberal democrats were the type of parties the university kids voted for and have never been a serious political force. They were not influencing Warhammer in any fashion. The Warhammer crowd grew out of the historical gaming crowd and if you talk to the original staff they will tell you about using any plastic soldiers they could get. Characters and factions evolved from standing collections and games they were playing in their wargame come roleplaying games of the era.

Again, if you look at how the Imperium is set up, and GW's own words on the matter, they're a satire of fascism and religious bigotry. That's not me saying it; they were saying it too.

Of course, the Imperium is far from actual fascism; it's closer to a disorganized, dystopian oligarchy, but that's because fascism has been used so much as a byword for tyranny that most people, including 40K's writers, have forgotten what fascism truly is. No fascist organization would dare to create something as retarded as the Chapter system for the Space Marines. There'd be only one Space Marine organization, most likely the Ultramarines, and they'd have a system that's centralized as all hell, with barely any local influences whatsoever.

If Warhammer was purely just a fantasy story with no real political bent, they'd have played it straight and made the Emperor a legit god from the start; a god of good that fights against the evils of Chaos and hostile aliens. They'd play it straight and make the Imperium legit good guys, because that's easier to sell to normies and make money off of rather than this faux-intellectual satire of an ideology that the authors don't even truly understand anymore. In other words, they'd just turn the Emperor into Tiber Septim from the start, and have his Imperium be more akin to Space Gondor, no suffering peasants or cannon-fodder guardsmen, just soldiers who sign up for it fighting alongside Space Marines that are symbols of truth and justice that the commonfolk adore and love.

@Eldar faggot

Mostly because the really productive cows like David Hill already have threads, and the tabletop creator "space" isn't as it was before. There are no new "big" names anymore. Every blue-haired asshole in striped socks can go on Kickstarter and pitch a "game" about trans-disabled POC of color, but by and large these "authors" aren't interesting. The dumb takes they produce are essentially the same shit you see in the SJW thread. I know @Adamska has a personal lolcow in Venger Satanis (and make no mistake, the guy is a cow), but from what I checked of his social media presence he's still just... kind of boring on the day-to-day.

But hey, you're the newfag here. If you think a thread doesn't have enough content, don't go bitching about it. Be the autism you want to see in the world and bring in the content instead.

The woke just became boring, really. I mean, if they're going to say the same shit they've been saying for years, it eventually stops being entertaining and just becomes mundane. It's no longer fit to be made fun of without us sounding like broken records.

 

[Shaka Brah]

@Eldar faggot

Mostly because the really productive cows like David Hill already have threads, and the tabletop creator "space" isn't as it was before. There are no new "big" names anymore. Every blue-haired asshole in striped socks can go on Kickstarter and pitch a "game" about trans-disabled POC of color, but by and large these "authors" aren't interesting. The dumb takes they produce are essentially the same shit you see in the SJW thread. I know @Adamska has a personal lolcow in Venger Satanis (and make no mistake, the guy is a cow), but from what I checked of his social media presence he's still just... kind of boring on the day-to-day.

But hey, you're the newfag here. If you think a thread doesn't have enough content, don't go bitching about it. Be the autism you want to see in the world and bring in the content instead.

Venger Satanis has an interesting internet footprint. He's been a personal lolcow for me ever since he started taking part in the Forge wars. I'm not sure if @Adamska knows how much truth to this there is, but I'm fairly certain he has a presence in a few niche fetish communities. Just on the DL. I've yet to find out what pseudonyms he has but I have a gut feeling he has to take part in them.

The reason is that I tried to reverse search a lot of his book art and found it was commissioned by artists you'd never find unless you were specifically looking for it. Like the one in alpha blue with the three pregnant women smoking and drinking is by some deviantart artist who just draws pregnant women being abused. As far as I can tell, Venger's commission is the sole work for hire they had ever done.

 

[Adamska]

Venger Satanis has an interesting internet footprint. He's been a personal lolcow for me ever since he started taking part in the Forge wars. I'm not sure if @Adamska knows how much truth to this there is, but I'm fairly certain he has a presence in a few niche fetish communities. Just on the DL. I've yet to find out what pseudonyms he has but I have a gut feeling he has to take part in them.

The reason is that I tried to reverse search a lot of his book art and found it was commissioned by artists you'd never find unless you were specifically looking for it. Like the one in alpha blue with the three pregnant women smoking and drinking is by some deviantart artist who just draws pregnant women being abused. As far as I can tell, Venger's commission is the sole work for hire they had ever done.

If you ever figure out the usernames he uses when he looks for pregnancy, slime, and clown porn, feel free to throw it on the thread, because it's obvious those are favorites of his.

And I will own up that Darrick, because that is what his tax returns still state and fuck that nomme de plume shit, is a lower intensity burn. But he also has years of losing his shit over his nonthought highdeas getting mocked and trying to grift. He's more a red dwarf cow rather than a blue hypergiant.

 

[Shaka Brah]

If you ever figure out the usernames he uses when he looks for pregnancy, slime, and clown porn, feel free to throw it on the thread, because it's obvious those are favorites of his.

And I will own up that Darrick, because that is what his tax returns still state and fuck that nomme de plume shit, is a lower intensity burn. But he also has years of losing his shit over his nonthought highdeas getting mocked and trying to grift. He's more a red dwarf cow rather than a blue hypergiant.

I think he's interesting enough to have a big writeup about all the stuff he's been involved in. Unlike many modern cows he's not political (thank God) and everything is about the excuses he uses to put his fetishes in TTRPGs.

For the sake of completeness, I went and found the commission again.

Alien preggos by Silverstar1976 on DeviantArt

www.deviantart.com

Alien preggos by Silverstar1976 on DeviantArt

archived 13 Dec 2021 20:11:37 UTC

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[Adamska]

I think he's interesting enough to have a big writeup about all the stuff he's been involved in. Unlike many modern cows he's not political (thank God) and everything is about the excuses he uses to put his fetishes in TTRPGs.

For the sake of completeness, I went and found the commission again.

Alien preggos by Silverstar1976 on DeviantArt

www.deviantart.com

Alien preggos by Silverstar1976 on DeviantArt

archived 13 Dec 2021 20:11:37 UTC

archive.md

Eh, he's mildly political in that his twitter are often just "fuck Biden" and standard right-wing grifter talking points. But honestly that's fairly dime-a-dozen and it's not really the core of his being. It's more the fact he wants to pretend he's this creative artist, leader of men, and a shock jock who pumps out off the wall ideas.

And he isn't. He's just a burned out stoner who puts his fetishes in his works, little better than the troons he pretends he's better than. Definitely putting it in there.

 

[A nameless trool]

@LORD IMPERATOR
It won't let me quote you for some reason.

You are still doing the American politics reference point. Liberalism in the UK has until very recently been working class politics. Unions against the establishment is the left/right divide of the era. The only people calling Thatcher a fascist were intellectual bird watchers studying braile poetry at university. They were made fun of even by the BBC at the time, where those type of characters were the annoying, preachy, everyone thinks they're a wanker. They weren't in any social groups but their own and they were in no way connected to the game design or historical networks influencing the tabletop and computer games being made of that era.

Britain isn't more liberal than America, it's different. America is more religious and puritanical while the UK is much more laid back religiously. The left wing of the 1970s and early 80s brought into the modern political compass would be the Norf FC meme. Love me mum, love footie, love a good pie. Simple as. Working class kids voting labour at the time went around putting pakis and nonces in hospital for their weekend fun. They wore ex army jackets, big stompy boots and the only people getting a bigger battering than the pakis were the rival football team's fans when they were in town. If they could get hold of a camo jacket they would wear it. Probably get some street cred if it was a German one in their small town while everyone else had old British ones from the ex army shop.

Tony Blair in the 90s is when labour became new labour and adopted American style globalism. The Green party and the Liberal democrats were the type of parties the university kids voted for and have never been a serious political force. They were not influencing Warhammer in any fashion. The Warhammer crowd grew out of the historical gaming crowd and if you talk to the original staff they will tell you about using any plastic soldiers they could get. Characters and factions evolved from standing collections and games they were playing in their wargame come roleplaying games of the era.

Basically Orks are the Far Right

 

[EnemyStand]

Basically Orks are the Far Right

First AOC calls us honey badgers, now we're Orks? Lefties really gotta stop making us sound so fucking metal if they want better retention in their gay little club. All the metalheads are coming to our gay little club.

 

[Ghostse]

Basically Orks are the Far Right

Mork & Gork's looted Fork & Sork

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

Basically Orks are the Far Right

No, the AOCs of the world will call the Imperium the Far Right. Orks just represent British sports fans who riot when the wrong team wins or loses.

 

[Game master arino]

Every minute spent doing a 60 page political treatise on your favorite game is a minute that could be spent actually playing it and having fun. Its the same shit with the starship troopers fandom.