Grand Jury speculation thread

[King Kiwi]

Heilberg will have to do everything in his power to keep Chris shut up.

Too bad he can't do anything in his power to shut him up.

the relevance of this comment may be retracted upon proof (that) that is the reason for the radio silence

 

[A-№1]

On the other hand Chris just basically threw his life away by taking advantage of Barb.

He's been throwing his life away his whole life. Fucking his mother was just another (utterly predictable) milestone on that itinerary.

I doubt any sort of convention (except furries, maybe) is going to allow him in

I believe the furries learned their lesson.

And if they haven't? Oh well… ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

That said, not getting into conventions is going to be the least of Chris' problems.

this is a rather sad ending to the entertaining idiot who drew badly drawn Sonichu comics a few years back.

Ending?

Too bad he can't do anything in his power to shut him up.

He may not need to bring Chris into the courtroom at all.

 

[Ophelia]

even if he does not end up in an institution after getting out of jail as word of his charges have gotten out quickly.

The US doesn’t really have institutions anymore. Chris’s best hope is going to an assisted living home for adults like him, paid for by the tugboat.

 

[Hepativore]

The US doesn’t really have institutions anymore. Chris’s best hope is going to an assisted living home for adults like him, paid for by the tugboat.

I mean "institution" like the ones they keep adult retards in...like the one that Ray lived in as played by Dustin Hoffman in Rain Man.

 

[AnOminous]

I mean in terms of at the final hearing. If Chris just doesn't care about anything and just wants to get out, makes some comments, claims he's not remorseful, happy he "healed Barb", etc... How would the judge react to that?

It literally doesn't matter if Chris spends the full year and the prosecution never elects to file felony charges. At that point, they just have to let him go, even if he says raping Barb was the absolute bomb most fun he ever had and he'd do it again and again.

 

[Kramer on the phone]

You're missing the point. It's not a question of what Chris is actively doing, it's a question of what he's capable of.

I've never cheered for Chris's failure. I've always hoped for an unlikely outcome where Chris would improve in some way and find happiness and settle into some sort of relatively normal life. But I think it's pretty clear we're past the point of no return.

Chris is not a calculating super-predator or whatever, but Chris is an opportunist and a narcissist. He has proven that he's able to justify almost any sort of terrible behavior so long as he believes it will yield some short-term benefit for himself. His moral compass has always been questionable due to his terrible upbringing, but now it's entirely broken. Remember that he believes himself to be a literal deity at this point, so from his perspective, anything that feels good and righteous to him has to be so, and anyone who feels otherwise is mistaken.

If you put Chris back into the community, he's probably not going to actively seek out vulnerable people to molest and harass. But we come back to that question: what is Chris capable of? Over time Chris has repeatedly blown past the boundaries that most people (myself included) assumed he had. Macing a GameStop employee, hitting Michael Snyder with his car, and having sex with his mom are the big and obvious ones. But there are a thousand other little ways that Chris has constantly strained against the limits of decent, acceptable behavior.

Basically, if you think Chris couldn't and wouldn't molest a child, you really haven't been paying attention. I don't necessarily believe that Chris would stand outside of daycare centers plotting how to abduct the kids inside. But all the same, I absolutely would not place Chris alone in a room with a child.

not to late post but Chris is one of those autistics where its almost like god is using it as a restrictor plate on a monster. we all see how little he cared about girlfriends dying and how he would even rape his own mother, if he had any intelligence or charisma he would probably be on death row now. honestly the sperg stuff means people can just go "well the reason he doesn't show empathy is becuase its different for people like him" instead of him just not having empathy. The only difference between Chris and a 1970s era serial killer is him not having the brains or ability to live on his own. if Chris got an easy assembly line job like Jeffrey Dahmer that provided for him he'd 100% have tried to steal himself a boyfriend-free girl.

imagine a chris that wasn't slow in the mind or as easily manipulated.

Also the courts really fucked him hard, he basically got pocket vetoed into the worst sentence

 

[Pointless Sperg]

It literally doesn't matter if Chris spends the full year and the prosecution never elects to file felony charges. At that point, they just have to let him go, even if he says raping Barb was the absolute bomb most fun he ever had and he'd do it again and again.

He can talk about how great it was, sure.

I think Virginia is one of the states where it's legal to state intent as long as it's not done as a threat, but you can still be arrested if you state intent and do even a tiny thing in furtherance of that intent.

That said, I don't think they're just going to let him go without a conviction of some sort. It could even be just the misdemeanor EPO violation, since his next hearing is still within the one-year statute of limitations to bring misdemeanor charges (an EPO violation is a Class 1 misdemeanor unless the threat of violence was involved). Having some sort of conviction will let them have release conditions. Although now I'm in doubt about even that.

Since I am not well-versed in Virginia law, however, I don't know if they can legally give him the one year time served *and* a year of probation, however.

You see, in yet ANOTHER new law as part of the recent reforms to the Virginia justice system, they can no longer impose probation for longer than the maximum period of incarceration allowed by the violated statute. Previously Virginia courts could basically assign infinite probation, now they can't.

https://lis.virginia.gov/cgi-bin/legp604.exe?212+sum+HB2038

I haven't read everything, but on cursory examination it seems that it's mostly about assigning probation instead of incarceration. It feels unclear on probation in addition to incarceration.

I'm still betting that Heilberg is using the psychological tactic of getting Chris to sign the deal that's best for him with the "You get out of jail today if you sign this." line. Chris likes immediate rewards, and he could very well see it as one.

 

[LoveYouLongTime]

Chris will definitely be obnoxious in front of the judge if he feels he's being slighted, but depending on the sort of judge he gets they'll more than likely ignore him. He won't be the first or last mentally ill person to stand before them and I'm sure they've had worse outbursts. If he's too disruptive he'll be given a warning then removed if his behavior continues.

 

[King Kiwi]

He can talk about how great it was, sure.

Well Chris hasn't said anything all month, who knew it was possible to keep Lordchu quiet that long?

Of course it might be that Kengle and Chris aren't talking anymore.

 

[Pointless Sperg]

Chris will definitely be obnoxious in front of the judge if he feels he's being slighted, but depending on the sort of judge he gets they'll more than likely ignore him. He won't be the first or last mentally ill person to stand before them and I'm sure they've had worse outbursts. If he's too disruptive he'll be given a warning then removed if his behavior continues.

Oh hey, you're back!

Did you ever think Chris would reach the Terry Davis level of religious crazy he's hit now? It's so different from when he was arrested. His old pre-jail Merge babble seems normal and realistic in comparison.

I really think they won't even have him in the courtroom anymore, at least not unless it goes to Circuit Court, where he'll legally have to appear.

 

[Optimus Prime]

Well Chris hasn't said anything all month, who knew it was possible to keep Lordchu quiet that long?

Of course it might be that Kengle and Chris aren't talking anymore.

Might be something we could request @Spamton G. Spamton to ask given he's still on speaking terms with Chris.

 

[anti SJW]

If they add more serious charges, could they keep Chris for longer than a year from when He was put in jail? Even if it's just to figure out what to do with Him?

 

[Pointless Sperg]

If they add more serious charges, could they keep Chris for longer than a year from when He was put in jail? Even if it's just to figure out what to do with Him?

Yes, they can indict him on a felony and then keep him in remand in jail for up to 10 years, not that they'd ever let the case be unresolved for that long.

There's also the possibility that they could make the argument that it's *potentially* a felony and thus keep him in jail longer, and have Heilberg just go along with it for Chris' sake. Legally, though, Chris could just demand to be let out, since he hasn't actually been indicted.

I don't think that's their intent though as the length of the current continuance (almost 6 months) indicates that the prosecution is probably okay with wrapping things up at the one year mark. If they were intent on felony charges they would probably do it sooner, and object to the six month delay.

 

[Skitterways]

I mean "institution" like the ones they keep adult retards in...like the one that Ray lived in as played by Dustin Hoffman in Rain Man.

Rain Man was a Hollywood movie that came out in 1988. It's not real life. The state run mental institution is on it's deathbed.

More than half of Virginia's state-run mental hospitals are closing to new admissions - Virginia Mercury

More than half of Virginia’s state-run mental hospitals are immediately closing to new admissions, the Department of Behavioral Health and Developmental Services announced Friday. The abrupt order from DBHDS Commissioner Alison Land comes amid a workforce crisis that’s resulted in a “dangerous...

www.virginiamercury.com

July 9, 2021

https://www.wvtf.org/news/2021-10-19/state-psychiatric-hospitals-reopened-during-the-pandemic-but-are-still-full

October 19,2021

https://flathatnews.com/2021/12/06/hospitals-in-crisis-eastern-state-hospital-struggles-to-recover-from-bed-capacity-decrease/

December 6, 2021
"At a capacity of 242 patients, Eastern State can accept new admissions as other patients are discharged. However, a number of legal stipulations have limited admissions and kept the staff at Eastern State overwhelmed and the hospital in crisis mode."

https://dbhds.virginia.gov/about-dbhds/facilities/

tl;dr
Chris Chan doesn't qualify to be housed in a state mental hospital. He will be lucky to find placement in a group home or Section 8 housing.

 

[A-№1]

Chris is one of those autistics where its almost like god is using it as a restrictor plate on a monster.

If Chris hadn't been diagnosed with autism he would not have had the excuse to become as awful as he is today.

I really think they won't even have him in the courtroom anymore,

I suspect that as soon as the court finds a placement for him, they'll announce a plea deal and send him off to his new tard home. If things continue on until July 28th, then they're either REALLY having trouble placing him, or something else is going on that we're completely unaware of.

at least not unless it goes to Circuit Court, where he'll legally have to appear.

I still can't see the court giving themselves another six months to decide to kick him up. If they were going to up the charges, they'd have done so by now.

He will be lucky to find placement in a group home or Section 8 housing.

If the state wasn't required to put him somewhere, he'd have no chance.

 

[Kramer on the phone]

If Chris hadn't been diagnosed with autism he would not have had the excuse to become as awful as he is today.




I suspect that as soon as the court finds a placement for him, they'll announce a plea deal and send him off to his new tard home. If things continue on until July 28th, then they're either REALLY having trouble placing him, or something else is going on that we're completely unaware of.



I still can't see the court giving themselves another six months to decide to kick him up. If they were going to up the charges, they'd have done so by now.




If the state wasn't required to put him somewhere, he'd have no chance.

have you not seen the videos, just hearing him speak you know he's a tard. these is no way he doesn't get diagnosised, even if he was born to a native american tribe in the 1500s they'd still be like "oh he's a no spirit, his mother was cursed, stay away from him"

 

[Hepativore]

have you not seen the videos, just hearing him speak you know he's a tard. these is no way he doesn't get diagnosised, even if he was born to a native american tribe in the 1500s they'd still be like "oh he's a no spirit, his mother was cursed, stay away from him"

Actually, he would have probably been abandoned outside the village to die as a baby, which is what many hunter-gather societies did, as they saw no point in keeping around an extra mouth to feed who would never be able to contribute to the well-being of the tribe.

 

[Kramer on the phone]

Actually, he would have probably been abandoned outside the village to die as a baby, which is what many hunter-gather societies did, as they saw no point in keeping around an extra mouth to feed who would never be able to contribute to the well-being of the tribe.

hunter-gather societies stopped being a thing in the 1000s BCs and i spefically used an example from the 1500s AD but sure just keep imagining your own bullshit answers faggot

 

[Optimus Prime]

hunter-gather societies stopped being a thing in the 1000s BCs and i spefically used an example from the 1500s AD but sure just keep imagining your own bullshit answers faggot

"But back in the stone age..."

 

[Pointless Sperg]

hunter-gather societies stopped being a thing in the 1000s BCs and i spefically used an example from the 1500s AD but sure just keep imagining your own bullshit answers faggot

What are you talking about? There are still a few hunter-gatherer societies even today. Not everywhere got agriculture, and some groups actually lost it. Most of them were on tiny islands or something but the inuit stayed as hunter gatherers until very, very recently. (I guess they're still gatherers since they gather tax money).