Off-Topic Losing people to transgenderism support thread - Support group for trans widows and other people who lost loved ones to troonism

[Hepativore]

Pritzker money, for one.
This canary in the coalmine of a book highlights another part of how it essentially crept up. Dreger describes her own efforts to campaign for sexual minorities of all stripes, in particular the intersex, and to reverse incredibly harmful treatments being done to children. All of the sudden, things shift and she finds herself beset by once-allies without much in the way of recourse, effectively finding a lot of money pointing a campaign straight at her position as a professor.

Spoiler: tin-foil sperging

Academia is a bureaucracy more concerned with the endless profits of research-milling and drawing in the widest potential base of fat pigeons possible. The push towards using that research to reflect reality, to help people, to affect change has been subjugated in order to better grow Universities' coffers. What comes out of Academia tends to represent the upper crust of society - only something like 36% of US adults have degrees, and how many members of the upper 36% of the income scale do you think are going to forego getting a degree?

Donate to a bunch of universities in wildly large amounts and tell them that setting up a department on gender studies will be something they can advertise with for good PR and to attract more easy cash. Get some people staffed through your connections who don't really otherwise have any skills or anything to do, so they can focus exclusively on policing how the university talks and acts - which is still fine, since it's a small price to pay for all that donation money. Then dump a bunch of money into young-adult watering holes, like shitty pop-culture rags. Get them to employ more affluent kids who really can't cut it anywhere else, since they'll say whatever you want so long as you pat their ass and give them a paycheck. More importantly, they'll signal-boost something that you can then feed to the modern version of a "journalist": someone who watches twitter all day.

Viola, you've now got a system that becomes self-reinforcing. A massive generational shift that veers wildly in one direction, being led by the wealthiest and most powerful caste in any given country. Universities don't want to lose out on easy money, because they are the greediest motherfuckers more than willing to consign countless students to debt-prisons just so long as they can pay their upper 10% of administration massive bonuses year-on-year. Media outlets are obsessed with social media and twitter because their main forms of competition are there, and so they don't want to do the slightest little thing which could cause them to receive backlash. Smaller companies aren't really sure how to handle massive internet backlashes, or even what effect that might have on their business, so they're wary. Larger companies have PR departments, which tend to be soft targets that you can easily push around through conjuring up a shitstorm on social media apropos of nothing. You get your pieces into position, you get them the message, you bankroll the entire operation, and you create something that has its own momentum - rocketeering forward on the backs of neets and minors who don't know any better and live mostly in a world of fantasy.

The comical undertone to it all is that the shrewder elements of the elite are more than aware of this project, and more than willing to provide it a helping hand just so long as it allows them to have a get-out-of-jail-free card. Massive banks that provide funding to PMCs and have dubious connections to companies that force children to work in mines riddled with lead? That all gets hidden away under the balm of "we made our bathrooms gender-neutral." Human rights abuses, animal abuse, supporting war criminals in order for access to rare earth minerals; there is no crime so great that you can't hide it away underneath the paint of "trans rights." You've got a young generation that was very, very enthusiastic for an openly socialist candidate - and even in his abject failure, that generation coming into power might be more restrictive to corporate profits than previous ones. So why not rob them of all their momentum by just supporting this massive, divisive thing whose self-obsession ensures that the attention will always be on them, and never be on where you capital is going?

Is there also anything to the conspiracy theory that pharmaceutical companies and plastic surgeons are also pushing troonery simply because of the money that they make selling troons expensive surgical procedures and the fact that troons will need to be on hormone treatments for the rest of their lives?

 

[DenseDeerFather]

Oh sweet, a thread for making fun of troons.

I got two stories.

Spoiler: Story one

Someone I met over discord. He was a nice enough person, a little sensitive and effeminate but nice enough. But after six months of chatting with him, he suddenly decided that he was a trans woman. "Okay," I thought but didn't pay it any further attention because he was still himself.

But that would not last because then he decided that he was a "nonbinary female" which makes no fucking sense. Not only that but beyond going by she/her and they/them, he now went by fae/faer whatever the fuck that means.

I could bear it because he was still the same person until he wasn't. He was always a little stereotypically leftist but went full-on retard mode. I remember having a conversation with him about shoes and I am someone with big feet so I buy men's shoes and I made a joke about me being a man minus the penis and he had a fit about how transphobic I was because "uwuwuwu not every man has a penis. Saying otherwise is trans erasure"

FFS, it was a joke.

He spouted similar nonsense when I was making fun of incels. He cared far more about the implication that women naturally have vaginas rather than the fact someone casually thinks of women as fleshlights and nothing more and then wonders why no woman wants anything to do with them.

As it is with fucking every troon over the internet, he has cute anime girls as a profile pic. He's also gotten creepily obsessive with everything feminine and lewd. He's polyamorous because of course he is. He often talks about what a slut he is uwu. He has stated that he sees lesbian context in everything and he exclusively watches content created by women on the internet. Naturally, he buys into the idea that every gamer is a fragile white nazi male.
Oh and he hates cisgendered people.

He has stated on numerous occasions that cis gay men don't deserve to be in the lgbt because they are getting accepted and are letting that acceptance get to their heads.

He's also so full of himself that he thinks Chris Chan will reflect poorly on him personally in regards to his parents. Guy lives in Mexico and his parents don't use the internet.

Spoiler: Story two

The second story is about someone I know IRL. I met her in high school when she was just bisexual. She later came out as a trans male and I fully supported her.

Now what makes her annoying is her talking about how gay and trans she is oh but she¨s asexual, it¨s important to mention that every time. Her entire existence is about how trans she is. She even sat me down and made me watch The Danish Girl, a movie about the first trans to go through surgery. Unsurprisingly they died.

She's wise enough to understand that bottom surgery is a faulty procedure so there's that at least.

Oh and most annoyingly. She has lowkey ruined the Flash for me. When she transitioned, she took the name of Barry Allen. I always had a weird discomfort for people who apply fiction to their real lives. So naturally, I struggle with not feeling awkward by calling her Barry because she made it apparent that she took the name because of him - when not lowkey cumming over how uwu smexy he is. I thought this bitch was asexual.

Now, since I know her IRL, you may wonder how she looks. Incredibly generic. She's fat, she got fatter. She doesn't shower. There's usually a three month gap between her showers so her hair is insanely greasy. She wears typical hipster glasses and she doesn't really do anything with her hair. it's just slicked back with grease so she can look like another fictional character. No flannel or anything but instead, it's hoodies with DC Comics and anime. She got a cat too so on top of being a trans media hype beast, she's turning into a trans version of a crazy cat lady since she can speak for hours about her being a "cat daddy"

At least we can agree on the fact that nonbinary-ness is a load of horseshit.

Wow, this was cathartic.

 

[Ser Prize]

Oh sweet, a thread for making fun of troons.

I got two stories.

Spoiler: Story one

Someone I met over discord. He was a nice enough person, a little sensitive and effeminate but nice enough. But after six months of chatting with him, he suddenly decided that he was a trans woman. "Okay," I thought but didn't pay it any further attention because he was still himself.

But that would not last because then he decided that he was a "nonbinary female" which makes no fucking sense. Not only that but beyond going by she/her and they/them, he now went by fae/faer whatever the fuck that means.

I could bear it because he was still the same person until he wasn't. He was always a little stereotypically leftist but went full-on retard mode. I remember having a conversation with him about shoes and I am someone with big feet so I buy men's shoes and I made a joke about me being a man minus the penis and he had a fit about how transphobic I was because "uwuwuwu not every man has a penis. Saying otherwise is trans erasure"

FFS, it was a joke.

He spouted similar nonsense when I was making fun of incels. He cared far more about the implication that women naturally have vaginas rather than the fact someone casually thinks of women as fleshlights and nothing more and then wonders why no woman wants anything to do with them.

As it is with fucking every troon over the internet, he has cute anime girls as a profile pic. He's also gotten creepily obsessive with everything feminine and lewd. He's polyamorous because of course he is. He often talks about what a slut he is uwu. He has stated that he sees lesbian context in everything and he exclusively watches content created by women on the internet. Naturally, he buys into the idea that every gamer is a fragile white nazi male.
Oh and he hates cisgendered people.

He has stated on numerous occasions that cis gay men don't deserve to be in the lgbt because they are getting accepted and are letting that acceptance get to their heads.

He's also so full of himself that he thinks Chris Chan will reflect poorly on him personally in regards to his parents. Guy lives in Mexico and his parents don't use the internet.

Spoiler: Story two

The second story is about someone I know IRL. I met her in high school when she was just bisexual. She later came out as a trans male and I fully supported her.

Now what makes her annoying is her talking about how gay and trans she is oh but she¨s asexual, it¨s important to mention that every time. Her entire existence is about how trans she is. She even sat me down and made me watch The Danish Girl, a movie about the first trans to go through surgery. Unsurprisingly they died.

She's wise enough to understand that bottom surgery is a faulty procedure so there's that at least.

Oh and most annoyingly. She has lowkey ruined the Flash for me. When she transitioned, she took the name of Barry Allen. I always had a weird discomfort for people who apply fiction to their real lives. So naturally, I struggle with not feeling awkward by calling her Barry because she made it apparent that she took the name because of him - when not lowkey cumming over how uwu smexy he is. I thought this bitch was asexual.

Now, since I know her IRL, you may wonder how she looks. Incredibly generic. She's fat, she got fatter. She doesn't shower. There's usually a three month gap between her showers so her hair is insanely greasy. She wears typical hipster glasses and she doesn't really do anything with her hair. it's just slicked back with grease so she can look like another fictional character. No flannel or anything but instead, it's hoodies with DC Comics and anime. She got a cat too so on top of being a trans media hype beast, she's turning into a trans version of a crazy cat lady since she can speak for hours about her being a "cat daddy"

At least we can agree on the fact that nonbinary-ness is a load of horseshit.

Wow, this was cathartic.

Have you considered not playing along with their bullshit? Especially the IRL friend. Taking on a weird fictional identity from a show is fucking nutty.

 

[DenseDeerFather]

Have you considered not playing along with their bullshit? Especially the IRL friend. Taking on a weird fictional identity from a show is fucking nutty.

As a matter of fact, I sorta have. I've slowly distanced myself from these people and tend to just mute or zone whenever one rants about the evils of gay cis men or when the other goes on about her totally asexual boner for Barry Allen.

I tend to not refer to her by name at all and it's been quite a while since I've spoken to her. Probably powerlevel here but we had a new years party together with mutuals and she refused to let me sleep there because she was worried about her cat.

So that added another one to the loon troon bucket. My discomfort around her grew after she trooned out and just kinda flowed over with the cat thing.

Edit: Her also saying that sex with animals is okay also added to that

 

[Nypical Haterade Comment]

Another update on my friend. We were talking about the Texas ban and I told him that I kinda agreed about the puberty blockers because of how bad they wrecked your bones. He simply said "I'd much rather have shitty bones than a repressed mental illness."

I described to him how it's not just shitty bones. How you can end up in a wheelchair. How a cough or sneeze can hurt you. How Bending over can hurt you. How wheelchair life is quite terrible and how it can never be fixed.

D, that bitch, stepped in and stopped the conversation and deleted it. How silly of these discord things. It's like they hate having a mirror shown to their faces that shows the end result of their actions. All the time online, they delete, they block, they hide.

I'm the server owner and I technically could fight over this small thing but is it worth dividing a community and potentially driving me out? No. Will it save my friend? No. Are they probably talking about me in some silly dm? Will my friend eventually die from suicide or a heart complication due to the estrogen affecting his heart if things continue? Yes. Can I stop it? Maybe. But I have to be around in order to save my friend. But even then I see myself slipping further and further away from him and it worries me. It's quite silly of myself to be so worked up over an internet friend but I've known them for nearly a decade so unfortunately I've grown to care for him.

The funny thing is that I don't even call myself a terf. I simply understand that being transgender is a mental condition and the treatments we are giving out aren't making them happy. Their overall wellness never improves for long. It's in short bursts and then it goes back to normal. And people think I'm insane for seeing their lives and going "Wow, their lives aren't happy." I have never met a single troon that was okay and had a fulfilling life and good friends and family they can count on.

In my life, I've seen:

• an insane ftm that abused people
• an anorexic mtf that immediately went to sex work (most likely due to sexual abuse)
• an autistic mtf that basically has transgenderism as a hyperfixation and won't stop talking about it or vaginas
• an mtf that severely lacks true love in their life
• another mtf that has severe functioning issues due to their mental illness
• And D, the manipulative person that I mentioned here today that would probably start a cult if they had the power

None of them have good lives. They're all suffering in different ways.

Have you tried talking to your friend in a private DM away from D? If you can talk with him in a neutral environment without D’s influence, maybe you might get though to him.

 

[Aunt Carol]

So that added another one to the loon troon bucket. My discomfort around her grew after she trooned out and just kinda flowed over with the cat thing.

This is what troons don't understand: a lot of the concern over "transgender" is how these days it overlaps with so many other dysfunctions. Pervs and pedos, attention whores, suicide baiters, crybullies and even just the thin-skinned fun ruiners.

Add "trans" to your self-description and it's a shield from criticism and consequences--but it's also a big red flag, for the exact same reason.

Edit: Her also saying that sex with animals is okay also added to that

Haha, holy shit, no wonder she was worried about the cat.

 

[Kung Pow Cream]

Is there also anything to the conspiracy theory that pharmaceutical companies and plastic surgeons are also pushing troonery simply because of the money that they make selling troons expensive surgical procedures and the fact that troons will need to be on hormone treatments for the rest of their lives?

How is that a conspiracy? That's simply American healthcare. That's very common knowledge. Anything that makes money and basically goes through the nation like a wave. Again, go back to lobotomies. The common procedure was created by a man who wanted to make money in 1945. He proceeded to drive around the nation, lobotomizing patients for money while assuring his customers that it was helpful to the mental facilities and the patients' families. It harmed patients and affected their wellness and at best left them essentially in a child like state. In the early 1950s, it began to be banned in nations like Germany and Japan and Russia. America was still doing it.

In 1954, psych meds are finally created and the wave died down because they actually worked but even then people still kept doing it. In total, roughly 40,000 people were lobotomized in the US.

Big pharma has its hands everywhere in the US healthcare. You have doctors always prescribing pills when behavioral changes can simply be made (Hormones). You have prices of medications and hospital visits being high because big pharma is always trying to figure out how to get money out of you (Surgeries upon surgeries upon surgeries to become your idealized gendered self which will never happen). Companies are always trying to see if their pills or medications can be used for other things it's not actually intended for (think of the puberty blockers that were actually cancer drugs that were only supposed to be used for a limited amount of time but they're pumping it into children for multiple years and wrecking their bones).

I once saw someone try to make an app for trans people so they could get a slice of that transitioning money.

 

[Kung Pow Cream]

Apologies for the double post

Have you tried talking to your friend in a private DM away from D? If you can talk with him in a neutral environment without D’s influence, maybe you might get though to him.

I have, he still wanted to go with the hormone treatment. And to be honest, his memory is jacked up from his mental illness so he's most likely forgotten what I've said. The only way I could possibly change him is getting him away from Twitter and all social media and around humans again. However he lives quite far away and I'm just a regular person with a regular job.

 

[Hepativore]

Wait until public schools have mandatory "trans-screening", similar to lice and hearing screening in which children in grade school and high school are periodically required to stand in line while they are called one by one to sit on a chair in a small room under a hot lamp while they are interrogated by an inquisitor-like troon to look for signs of being "trans" and has the legal authority to require a child's parents to start them on the path of "transitioning" if the transquisitor does determine a child is "trans".

 

[Baraadmirer]

On Grindr where I am at least. There is rarely any women on, but the number of troons are getting high.
I wish they were thrown out, as they have nothing to do there. If we're going by woke standards. They are women and since they like men, they are straight and Grindr is an app for fags. So it is transphobic of them to even be on Grindr.
I just puked a lil bit writing that.

With my filters I see some troons, but not many; I have a higher chance of seeing crossdressers or tranny/crossdresser chasers where I am. Still, I block them so that they don't take up my precious squares.

He has stated on numerous occasions that cis gay men don't deserve to be in the lgbt because they are getting accepted and are letting that acceptance get to their heads.

All of my whats. If cis gay men aren't supposed to be part of the LGBT, does that mean the community has become the true bacon lettuce tomato sandwich it has always been?

 

[Ser Prize]

As a matter of fact, I sorta have. I've slowly distanced myself from these people and tend to just mute or zone whenever one rants about the evils of gay cis men or when the other goes on about her totally asexual boner for Barry Allen.

I tend to not refer to her by name at all and it's been quite a while since I've spoken to her. Probably powerlevel here but we had a new years party together with mutuals and she refused to let me sleep there because she was worried about her cat.

So that added another one to the loon troon bucket. My discomfort around her grew after she trooned out and just kinda flowed over with the cat thing.

Edit: Her also saying that sex with animals is okay also added to that

Wait she refused to let you sleep at her house because of her cat? Was she worried you'd grab it by the pussy or something?

 

[DenseDeerFather]

This is what troons don't understand: a lot of the concern over "transgender" is how these days it overlaps with so many other dysfunctions. Pervs and pedos, attention whores, suicide baiters, crybullies and even just the thin-skinned fun ruiners.

I really want to believe that there are decent Trans people out there but unfortunately I meet more degenerates than boring normal people. Even irl.

Had a college mate that came out as nonbinary, then chopped her tits off and now posts pictures of herself in leather harnesses.

Note she never did any of that shit before she decided to go nonbinary.

Haha, holy shit, no wonder she was worried about the cat.

It's even weirder when you consider she got a tomcat. Her reasoning for actual beastiality was "animals have their own ways of giving consent and as long as it doesn't hurt the animal, it's totally okay"

Now.... I'm pretty sure that it's been established that there's some dangerous bacteria and infection risks with fucking the family dog and other animals.

Wait she refused to let you sleep at her house because of her cat? Was she worried you'd grab it by the pussy or something?

Yes... It's fucking retarded and I still laugh about it with other friends. Her reasoning was "fireworks stressed out my cat and I'm worried about him"

It was a kitten at the time.

She lives in a two room apartment and the cat sleeps in her bedroom so I don't understand what the big deal is if I crashed on the couch.

I'd have far more respect for her if she just said she didn't want the patriarch of deers crashing there instead of this "muh poor kitty" bullshit.

It's a cat ffs, not a newborn baby.

But with the way she talks about cats, saying that "cats are the most intelligent creatures on earth, and they could take over the world if they wanted to" and other shit, she probably sniffed too much catnip that night. And every other night.

 

[PinstripeLuns]

Her name is Amanda.

 

[frozenrunner]

So literally all we need to do is figure out how to cure them and then it'll go away.

Laughing at them and handing them free rope will work.

 

[Wallace]

He has stated on numerous occasions that cis gay men don't deserve to be in the lgbt because they are getting accepted and are letting that acceptance get to their heads.

Just goes to show you that the spaces built by gay people, for gay people, are being overtaken by genderhipsters who want the status of being edgy and oppressed outsiders.

 

[Sergeant Major Buzzkill]

I really want to believe that there are decent Trans people out there but unfortunately I meet more degenerates than boring normal people. Even irl.

You have to be pretty skewed in the head to consider transitioning imo. Wouldn't call the non-degenerates normal, either.

 

[Hepativore]

Just goes to show you that the spaces built by gay people, for gay people, are being overtaken by genderhipsters who want the status of being edgy and oppressed outsiders.

Are they also trying to push out lesbian ciswomen?

By the way, no offense to the LGB people, but I always thought that the "Q" in the alphabet acronym was redundant, as I thought that "queer" and gay/lesbian mean the same thing, and there are so many letters in the acronym now, that it has become confusing and unwieldy.

 

[cybertoaster]

If I could just place him on a farm where the nearest town is 30 minutes for a month, he might start being functional.

The problem here is internet access, you would've to keep him away from that and now 30min outside of even an african city you can still get internet access. Don't know maybe it would be better to have him downtown but without a phone or computer so he has to go out and interact with people. Wants to see a movie? no netflix, go to the theater. Wants some comedy? no youtube compilations, go see some standup or something.

But more importantly: wants to talk to people? no discord, go meet actual people.

Another update on my friend. We were talking about the Texas ban and I told him that I kinda agreed about the puberty blockers because of how bad they wrecked your bones. He simply said "I'd much rather have shitty bones than a repressed mental illness."

I described to him how it's not just shitty bones. How you can end up in a wheelchair. How a cough or sneeze can hurt you. How Bending over can hurt you. How wheelchair life is quite terrible and how it can never be fixed.

D, that bitch, stepped in and stopped the conversation and deleted it. How silly of these discord things. It's like they hate having a mirror shown to their faces that shows the end result of their actions. All the time online, they delete, they block, they hide.

I'm the server owner and I technically could fight over this small thing but is it worth dividing a community and potentially driving me out? No. Will it save my friend? No. Are they probably talking about me in some silly dm? Will my friend eventually die from suicide or a heart complication due to the estrogen affecting his heart if things continue? Yes. Can I stop it? Maybe. But I have to be around in order to save my friend. But even then I see myself slipping further and further away from him and it worries me. It's quite silly of myself to be so worked up over an internet friend but I've known them for nearly a decade so unfortunately I've grown to care for him.

The funny thing is that I don't even call myself a terf. I simply understand that being transgender is a mental condition and the treatments we are giving out aren't making them happy. Their overall wellness never improves for long. It's in short bursts and then it goes back to normal. And people think I'm insane for seeing their lives and going "Wow, their lives aren't happy." I have never met a single troon that was okay and had a fulfilling life and good friends and family they can count on.

In my life, I've seen:

• an insane ftm that abused people
• an anorexic mtf that immediately went to sex work (most likely due to sexual abuse)
• an autistic mtf that basically has transgenderism as a hyperfixation and won't stop talking about it or vaginas
• an mtf that severely lacks true love in their life
• another mtf that has severe functioning issues due to their mental illness
• And D, the manipulative person that I mentioned here today that would probably start a cult if they had the power

None of them have good lives. They're all suffering in different ways.

You are the first woman who I seen is actually worried about what this is doing to men.

Has there been any sign at all of pushback from the mental health community in terms of attempting to unpack people's issues with their gender identity to see if they really have gender dysphoria rather than labelling everybody as "trans" and encouraging self-destructive and irreversible medical treatments and procedures?

Got some friends and relatives working in that field and from what they tell me I would say nope: the oldest ones are counting the days until retirement so they don't have to deal with this shit anymore. The ones that are still a couple decades away from that are keeping quiet because any talks about gender issues in psychology that go against the narrative have been banned since around the mid 90's and disobeying the narrative its punished with banishment.

None of them are rich so they need their jobs, and I doubt any of them could pull a Jordan Peterson.

 

[Sergeant Major Buzzkill]

Are they also trying to push out lesbian ciswomen?

By the way, no offense to the LGB people, but I always thought that the "Q" in the alphabet acronym was redundant, as I thought that "queer" and gay/lesbian mean the same thing, and there are so many letters in the acronym now, that it has become confusing and unwieldy.

From the likes of it, yeah. They won't fuck 'em, so into the oppressor category they go. Never mind that a 'girldick' will still be a dick.

I think the "queer" shit ties into gender fluidity, from what people have told me. Doesn't help me or other people outside of your circle understand what the fuck you're even talking about when you call yourself "queer".

 

[Wallace]

I think the "queer" shit ties into gender fluidity, from what people have told me. Doesn't help me or other people outside of your circle understand what the fuck you're even talking about when you call yourself "queer".

Back in my day, queer was just a synonym for gay. Maybe it meant a certain subset of gay, I honestly don't remember. Just another part of gay culture that's been colonized, or perhaps gentrified might be a better term.