Russian Invasion of Ukraine (2022): Thread 1 - Ukrainian Liars vs Russian Liars with Air and Artillery Superiority

[Mr Bunny]

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Looking for a job and what the actual fuck

Say you'll butcher the meat like how the Russians are butchering Ukarine.

 

[ColtWalker1847]

Calm the fuck down, you goddamn idiot. I never once, NOT ONE FUCKING TIME claimed starvation. I tried to explain that the price would go up. Never claimed we'd run out, all i said was the price would go up and that would drive the price of our stuff upwards. You are dumb, or you are dishonest, you don't seem to grasp the very basic ideas of economics. if the supply goes down, the price goes up. This shit is very interesting to me, I openly admit you seem to know more about it, but your conclusions are just wrong. I can't see how you can claim the prices aren't gonan go up when they have been.

You jackasses try to put words in my mouth and then argue against the dumb shit you said i said. Your flailing around acting like because you did something that apparently you are the only one qualified to speak about it amuses me to a point. I don't have to drive a truck for 50 years to know the route from chicago to st louis. I don't have to have a 10 thousand acre farm to know that if you have to pay extra for what you need that it's gonna make the total cost a bit higher. I don't have to spend 20 years working at a group home for retards to know one when i see one.

Here is a couple of sources saying the same things I am

https://www.wlfi.com/news/farmers-f...cle_01a222ab-0d01-5f82-9992-30f22494adfa.html

https://farmpolicynews.illinois.edu...isruptions-as-grains-extend-blistering-rally/

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/v...up_1000_a_month_due_to_fertilizer_prices.html

And I am saying you are doomer. Soil and crops are more diversified than that. They don't need every bit of everything RIGHT NOW to function. There will be no significant fertilizer shortage. They will just adjust their gameplan based on prices and move ahead. There will be no significant crop shortfall because of it. It's a business. It is what they do.

If things do go sideways price wise it is because of crazy hyped up market speculation driving the commodities market wild. Not anything on the production end. It is fine.

It was that, not some shortage of food, that drove shit like the food costs of Arab Spring. Ignorant speculation by people like YOU. You are the cause of it. Markets and prices are driven by what people feel and how that drives shit like futures prices. Not the reality on the ground. The ground is fine. It doesn't need fucking potash.

Anyone remember the buying and selling of non existent oil and crop futures in 2008 when the market crashed? I do. I also remember oil and crop production being totally normal with no shortages and the whole thing being driven by hysterical dumbasses throwing their money into commodities because retards on the TV and internet told them it was "safe" and that we were at "peak" whatever shit-your-pants time. Turns out it was not safe and we were not peaking. It only caused another huge bubble that burst and caused a bunch of other negative fallout. Arab Spring.

Don't listen to doomers kids. They don't know what they are talking about.

 

[MrJokerRager]

FIFA banning Russia is top kek lol in hindsight,

There are only 5 teams that everyone uses in FIFA which are:

• Real Madrid
• Barcelona
• Bayern Munich
• Manchester United/City
• Juventus

The rest are all cannon fodder or decorations and no one plays them unless they want to be some manager larper

 

[LaxerBRO]

I'm really fucking done with you idiots. Syria General, Geopolitics General and /pol/ in general has rotted your fucking brains. The group think here is stupid. You are stupid. And I refuse to be a part of it. Neg rate me all you fucking want.

Right now people are being killed. They aren't being killed due to the Machinations of some Jewish plot. They aren't being killed because of globohomo. They are being killed because one man, Putin, is raging against the tide of history and instead of adapting to it he is letting his country be swept away.

This war is a fucking disgrace. On every level. The Russian Army is a disgrace. It has proven itself incapable of a land invasion on its own fucking borders. It's having to resort to WW2 total war against Gopnik gangs while ducking Turkish made drones and pretending those same Gopniks didn't just wipe out an entire brigade of air assault troops.

Worse, putin has committed Russia to a full on conventional war with a peer power without any of the respect for what that requires. The invasion of Georgia, a country 1/8th the size of Ukraine was famously messed up and assurances were made the same mistakes would not be repeated. But they ARE!

WORSE

Putin has committed to a land war in fucking February! It's still winter! And as the ground thaws the Steppe turns into a muddy swamp! You can't do conventional maneuver in this environment! You have to stick to the roads! And the roads are predictable and under constant attack! Which means you need to rely on Light Infantry, which is where Ukraine has the advantage! I didn't believe Russia would invade before at least late March for this very reason!

And I know exactly what "carpet bombing" means and that is precisely what the Russians are doing to their "compatriots" in Kharkiv. Kharkiv you see has done the unforgivable in that they refused to get out of the way. And for that they must be made to suffer. All those platitudes about common fraternity matter for NOTHING when the clock is ticking as tens of thousands of civilians are being turned into soldiers around Lviv.

TL;DR

Fuck you, and fuck putin shills. You all wanted a war and now you get what you fucking deserve.

So now that we are done emoting, can we talk about the inevitable conclusion.

Spoiler

Ukraine loses.

Yes, its wrong. Putin is bad. Putin has brought war to Europe and the people of a sovereign nation will suffer. Its all horrible. So what are you going to do about it? If you want to donate to charities or sponsor a family; more power to you. You are better than me.

However, the truth is that the BEST was to prevent needless deaths is to surrender. Feel free to disagree if you want but I want to prevent needless suffering as opposed to fighting a lost cause.

 

[Disheveled Human]

Seeing as people keep accusing this thread as having a bias, I had an idea.

Let's wargame out some strategies for the Ukraine that don't involve magical thinking (NATO intervening, Ukraine managing to indefinitely conventionally repulse the Russian offense, Russia just giving up apropos of nothing).

I'll start: If I was commanding Ukraine, I'd accept that the west and NATO will not be able to seriously help or make any real impact. So, instead I'd go max scorched earth, Iraqi Army style. As the situation looks bleaker, I'd start blowing the pipelines and igniting the natural gas wells. The Russians and the west would both panic in chaos at the action, and it could result in some interesting political outcomes on both ends. If nothing else, it would be a nice "Fuck you" to Russia even as they succeed in their takeover.

Otherwise, I'd start caching weapons and supplies and organizing militia and guerilla elements to conduct irregular warfare Afgani-style, rather than continue to fight conventionally where the loss is practically guaranteed.

What strategies does everyone else have?

The only way Russia comes out ahead on this is if they nuke the world creating a stalemate. Otherwise they will have this burnt down patch of land that they will have a hard time repairing and optimizing. Woo we got more natural resources now that we can't move because the entire west does not want to do business with child killers.

 

[76LD910]

That April '21 announcement was supposed to make Russia think we'd go to war to defend Ukraine, but ol' Vlad called our bluff.

What bluff ? The few thousand personnel that participated in that drill ?

At the time that particular drill was going on an annual Russian/Belorussian exercise with over 200,000 personnel was just wrapping up. Those units remained deployed and before long is when the warnings of immanent war started along side constant reiteration of the fact that Ukraine will not be defended.

Both the US and other NATO members conduct exercises with the participation of non-NATO nations all over Europe, all the time. Ranging anywhere from Russia aligned nations like Armenia and Serbia to nations with ambitions that clash with Russian foreign policy like Azerbaijan, which lost multiple drones to Russian aircraft over Armenia in 2020, and Georgia which has Russian occupied territories recognized by practically all of NATO as belonging to Georgia, just like Ukraine.

You can't possibly believe that was supposed to some kind of threat, that's asinine and both Russian and NATO leadership knows it.

 

[Mussi]

So now that we are done emoting, can we talk about the inevitable conclusion.

Spoiler

Ukraine loses.

Yes, its wrong. Putin is bad. Putin has brought war to Europe and the people of a sovereign nation will suffer. Its all horrible. So what are you going to do about it? If you want to donate to charities or sponsor a family; more power to you. You are better than me.

However, the truth is that the BEST was to prevent needless deaths is to surrender. Feel free to disagree if you want but I want to prevent needless suffering as opposed to fighting a lost cause.

You're going to look so stupid in four weeks when Ukraine finishes training its six million riflemen.

 

[Fraiser crane]

Say you'll butcher the meat like how the Russians are butchering Ukarine.

Tbh I'd fucking love being a butcher
500 a week

 

[bread n circuses]

Putin was pushed into jack shit. He's never been happy about the breakup of the Soviet Union. He's multiple times engaged in wars to secure former Soviet territory and/or prop up his popularity in Russia. This was just more of the same. He thought he could grab Ukraine any time after he grabbed Crimea so easily back in 2014, and decided now would be a good time. Unfortunately for him, he underestimated how little interest most of Ukraine had in being absorbed by Russia, how much progress Ukraine had made towards not getting easily beaten like they did in 2014, and how successful they'd be at screaming for the rest of the world to do something.

If he hadn't invaded, nothing would have happened. Ukraine's disputed territory would make it easy for NATO to deny it membership. It joining the EU would be dragged out for years. Status quo continues in the region until Putin dies of old age.


I'm fairly sure "worse than they disclose, better than their opponent claims" goes for both sides in this. Ukraine and Russia are both claiming they've killed more than they have, while pretending they haven't lost as many as they have.

The problem with this post is that it doesn’t mention America or NATO as actual actors. It’s as if you’re literally only looking at Russia and assuming everything outside of it stays static. This is a two-sided security struggle in Eastern Europe, it’s been getting escalated by both sides, and frankly Ukraine was slipping out of Russia’s hands culturally and economically, the idea that the status quo would continue forever is just wrong.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

The only way Russia comes out ahead on this is if they nuke the world creating a stalemate. Otherwise they will have this burnt down patch of land that they will have a hard time repairing and optimizing. Woo we got more natural resources now that we can't move because the entire west does not want to do business with child killers.

I think that's the point. Russia wants a neutralized buffer state, it can become a literal Fallout wasteland for all they care, I mean Chernobyl already got the ball rolling, they just want to finish the job.

 

[Shittus Maximus]

Seeing as people keep accusing this thread as having a bias, I had an idea.

Let's wargame out some strategies for the Ukraine that don't involve magical thinking (NATO intervening, Ukraine managing to indefinitely conventionally repulse the Russian offense, Russia just giving up apropos of nothing).

I'll start: If I was commanding Ukraine, I'd accept that the west and NATO will not be able to seriously help or make any real impact. So, instead I'd go max scorched earth, Iraqi Army style. As the situation looks bleaker, I'd start blowing the pipelines and igniting the natural gas wells. The Russians and the west would both panic in chaos at the action, and it could result in some interesting political outcomes on both ends. If nothing else, it would be a nice "Fuck you" to Russia even as they succeed in their takeover.

Otherwise, I'd start caching weapons and supplies and organizing militia and guerilla elements to conduct irregular warfare Afgani-style, rather than continue to fight conventionally where the loss is practically guaranteed.

What strategies does everyone else have?

A freighter filled with McVeigh's special ingredient flying a false flag and false cargo and properly timed detonator can cause havoc at a port.

 

[Happy Fish]

because the entire west does not want to do business with child killers.

Is this the first war you've paid attention to?

 

[MeltyTW]

Seeing as people keep accusing this thread as having a bias, I had an idea.

Let's wargame out some strategies for the Ukraine that don't involve magical thinking (NATO intervening, Ukraine managing to indefinitely conventionally repulse the Russian offense, Russia just giving up apropos of nothing).

I'll start: If I was commanding Ukraine, I'd accept that the west and NATO will not be able to seriously help or make any real impact. So, instead I'd go max scorched earth, Iraqi Army style. As the situation looks bleaker, I'd start blowing the pipelines and igniting the natural gas wells. The Russians and the west would both panic in chaos at the action, and it could result in some interesting political outcomes on both ends. If nothing else, it would be a nice "Fuck you" to Russia even as they succeed in their takeover.

Otherwise, I'd start caching weapons and supplies and organizing militia and guerilla elements to conduct irregular warfare Afgani-style, rather than continue to fight conventionally where the loss is practically guaranteed.

What strategies does everyone else have?

ah the werwolf route, personally i say lure russia into sending out as much resources as possible then nuke your own country to set off ww3 so indecisive nato and russia both die with me, might as well not going to end well anyway.

So now that we are done emoting, can we talk about the inevitable conclusion.

Spoiler

Ukraine loses.

Yes, its wrong. Putin is bad. Putin has brought war to Europe and the people of a sovereign nation will suffer. Its all horrible. So what are you going to do about it? If you want to donate to charities or sponsor a family; more power to you. You are better than me.

However, the truth is that the BEST was to prevent needless deaths is to surrender. Feel free to disagree if you want but I want to prevent needless suffering as opposed to fighting a lost cause.

nah russia needs tons of deaths and suffering from this, this being a crimea where he can waltz in and get claps from the public cant happen if you want to prevent russians from taking, its what they do, them being fucked on all sectors here is good for that AND more importantly it fuels my anti soviet anti russian hate boner to the point im actually even kinda disgusted at the left going full mccarthay russian internment.

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Is this the first war you've paid attention to?

he means of supposedly white people not sand dwellers or SEA jungle monkies.

 

[Shittus Maximus]

The only way Russia comes out ahead on this is if they nuke the world creating a stalemate. Otherwise they will have this burnt down patch of land that they will have a hard time repairing and optimizing. Woo we got more natural resources now that we can't move because the entire west does not want to do business with child killers.

Keep telling yourself that sunshine.

 

[Socrates]

Hey guys I hate to admit it but I'm actually Vladdy P himself. Sorry to bother you guys, I really only started this war to threaten @Disheveled Human and his family with nuclear war because lol fuck it. Anyways I've gotta get back to losing my mind over the war lasting more than 10 days, see you guys in that selectively edited CNN video you'll see on twitter later.

 

[The Foldless Brain]

Otherwise, I'd start caching weapons and supplies and organizing militia and guerilla elements to conduct irregular warfare Afgani-style, rather than continue to fight conventionally where the loss is practically guaranteed.

What strategies does everyone else have?

Ukraine's best move is to stop coping, seething and dilating and capitulate.

Alternatively, as a 5-star armchair general with over 10000 hours in Duck Hunt I don't see things going well for them, even with the reservists included if they don't get their people out of the major encirclement on the Eastern front. Focusing on how Kiev or Kharkov haven't moved are spooks, most major activity has been in the south and around Donetsk and Lugansk.

 

[Disheveled Human]

I think that's the point. Russia wants a neutralized buffer state, it can become a literal Fallout wasteland for all they care, I mean Chernobyl already got the ball rolling, they just want to finish the job.

I think its fine to declare war. I am a big proponent of Independence wars for example, if you want to fight you should be able too. My issue is pressing an offensive war and then when things are not going swimmingly threaten to use nukes against everyone. I lost mad respect to the Putin regime for that. Someone like that should not be in power because as far as I am concerned this is not an acceptable outcome. Nukes should be used defensively like your country is being invaded not the other way around.

 

[George Lucas]

https://www.rt.com/russia/551269-russia-declares-ceasefire-ukraine/

War’s over retards. Go home.

 

[SCSI]

This seems like it ought to be preserved.

Here you go. (Twitter archive)

I'll jyst leave this here. Its Psaki being grilled by reporters over a recording of Victoria Nuland and another state department employee discussing who to put in the new Ukraine Government.
Victoria Nuland of the Trump impeachment.

FUCK NOT BEING ABLE TO PAST THE URL.

On YouTube titled
"This is what you cook for Ukraine? State Dept Psaki grilled over leaked tape"

This the video you want?

Bonus Content -- Here's a copy of the Nuland phone call itself, along with a transcript. (Archive) (RT article / Archive for completeness.)

 

[JambledUpWords]

Nukes should be used defensively like your country is being invaded not the other way around.

So does that mean we can give nukes to Ukraine and have them go off in Moscow?