The new American right is worthless and is a failure by its own design.

[BULLY HUNTER_77]

The internet is no longer free speech however. Weeding out retarded ideas=/= big tech giants removing all ideas they disagree with. Most normies agree with censoring those they disagree with via the claims of hate speech, or harmful disinformation. In fact, by the same logic a large majority of the youth are now becoming anti-free speech, was free speech weeded out as a "retarded idea" then by that logic? It's because nobody enforced an even ground that those who conspired to destroy that even ground succeeded.

We agree in concept - however, your observations indicate a steady, consistent infringement of the 1st amendment. I would argue this is exactly why we're seeing the Internet fracture into several region-specific internets. The keystone of any global Internet is freedom of speech. The globohomo clings to ideas that are so retarded that they would be laughed off a truly open marketplace of ideas. The normies and youth are only becoming increasingly retarded (like being anti-free speech) because alternative ideas are being increasingly suppressed. 2016 should be all the evidence you need to know that being able to reach normies has the power to change elections.

Even in a "wild" setting there is always a ruler and leader position despite what people want to believe, and those people set the rules for how interactions happen, and now the left has major control of that and the left has won the culture war which is evident with what's happening in society. Should people openly express their desires to molest children and encourage other groomers to usurp the rule of law, or should something overlook and stop those who would commit such nefarious actions?

Yes. It helps society to know who wants to groom children, which helps both prosecutors looking for evidence of a history of behavior and parents so they know who to keep their kids away from. This speech shouldn't be overlooked but should absolutely be allowed.

We both know that pedos never "just stop" at saying they want to groom children - there is no such thing as a NOMAP. This is a very powerful idea because it's based in reality. The reason it's not in the cultural zeitgeist isn't because it can't sway normies - it's being actively suppressed by the globohomo under the thinnest of pretenses that it's transphobic/homophobic.

The whole point of even ground is to expect your opposition to play by the rules in organized fashion but what happens when your opposition doesn't play by the rules and undermines the rules to destroy that balance, what then?

The 1st Amendment infringements shouldn't ever be on the table for the ruling party du jour, this public-private partnership to circumvent the courts quashing this obviously illegal action is gay as hell.

Some ideals as proven are too dangerous for society and especially picked up by normies. The justice system is now corrupted, the institutions are corrupted and became groomerville and you think maybe some ideas shouldn't be silenced? I dunno man, it sounds like a cope to push a misguided ideology and ignore the shortcomings of it.

If you truly believe pedophilia is so inherently appealing to normies in an open marketplace of ideals, your only hope for salvation is earth getting the Sodom & Gomorrah treatment very soon.

In the alternative, perhaps the counter idea of "all pedos should be lined up against the wall" is a more powerful idea that resonates with normies better, especially parents.

 

[gang weeder]

This post pretty much proves OPs point my dude - you absolutely come off as a mindless contrarian. You're okay with the DOJ spying on journalists as long as they're not journalists on "your side." You don't want to fix the problem - you just want to see the roles reversed.

The Internet is centralized in America because of the 1st amendment - there is soft power in allowing people to speak their minds and competition weeds out retarded ideas. If your first instinct is to silence your opposition, maybe you need to do some self-reflection on how robust your own ideals are.

I do want to fix the problem, I just have a different understanding of it from you. I don't necessarily want to ban lItErAlLy AnYtHiNg that disagrees with me, because yes, being *too* heavy-handed and overt in censorship often backfires. This is why I say that subversive ideologies should be suppressed by the most effective means possible, which may include overt censorship at times, but often will not.

The left understands this distinction while people like you are often unable to think in any terms other than this weird white-black all-or-nothing dichotomy where there's either no blowback whatsoever to a certain idea because "muh free speech" or it's off to the gulags with whoever posted the wrongthink, as if there's nothing in between those two points. Think about how successfully the enemy has been able to suppress certain ideas about race, WW2, etc., without having to ever actually make those views illegal to hold (in the US at least).

At the end of the day there will necessarily be a trade-off between "free speech absolutism" i.e. truly allowing people to say anything with no consequences, even including really vile or insane shit, vs having a more well-ordered society. When choosing between those I value the latter. You have been subverted to value the former thus undermining your ability to advocate openly for your own interests, you've been made too pre-occupied trying to be gracious and fair to the people who want you dead.

 

[Mewtwo_Rain]

We agree in concept - however, your observations indicate a steady, consistent infringement of the 1st amendment. I would argue this is exactly why we're seeing the Internet fracture into several region-specific internets. The keystone of any global Internet is freedom of speech. The globohomo clings to ideas that are so retarded that they would be laughed off a truly open marketplace of ideas. The normies and youth are only becoming increasingly retarded (like being anti-free speech) because alternative ideas are being increasingly suppressed. 2016 should be all the evidence you need to know that being able to reach normies has the power to change elections.

Yes. It helps society to know who wants to groom children, which helps both prosecutors looking for evidence of a history of behavior and parents so they know who to keep their kids away from. This speech shouldn't be overlooked but should absolutely be allowed.

We both know that pedos never "just stop" at saying they want to groom children - there is no such thing as a NOMAP. This is a very powerful idea because it's based in reality. The reason it's not in the cultural zeitgeist isn't because it can't sway normies - it's being actively suppressed by the globohomo under the thinnest of pretenses that it's transphobic/homophobic.

The 1st Amendment infringements shouldn't ever be on the table for the ruling party du jour, this public-private partnership to circumvent the courts quashing this obviously illegal action is gay as hell.

If you truly believe pedophilia is so inherently appealing to normies in an open marketplace of ideals, your only hope for salvation is earth getting the Sodom & Gomorrah treatment very soon.

In the alternative, perhaps the counter idea of "all pedos should be lined up against the wall" is a more powerful idea that resonates with normies better, especially parents.

To be fair I see freedom of speech no different than I see capitalism. (True capitalism none of that corporatism bullshit.) True capitalism would be a black-market with sex slavery and general slavery on the market with basically no government regulation. The truth is nobody wants "true unlimited capitalism" due to the immorality of it. So most would or basically want "True capitalism" with minute government regulation. Therefore you get all kinds of great free enterprise and trade without the immoral things of a truly unregulated market.

In a similar vain it compares to freedom of speech. There's two kinds of "free speech absolutionist." Those who think we should be allowed to say anything and those who think we can say it but will still face punishment depending on what we say (IE: Call someone's mother a whore get knocked the fuck out: Freedom of speech=/=freedom of consequence mentality)

It's not the fact that normies will just adopt immoral traits, it's the fact if we allow brainwashing and grooming of the children it could one day become the majority of a nation or society at large, and might be what Darwin described as a species hitting the wall.

Instead of pedophilia, let's say "Anti-free speech" pushes. Should people be punished for advocating for a removal of free speech? Yes. Those using force of power should stop and prevent those from using it because it's easy to create emotional manipulations to remove such a system or if not fought back against (such as currently) allow one party to take over what is and isn't allowed and removing free speech altogether while the majority of society becomes complacent. All it took is one generation of right wingers to do nothing for evil to have succeeded and it has, and continued too.


This is why those pushing the brainwashing are trying to hold out against the last two generations since Millennials and onward are almost complacent with whatever brainwashing is pushed at them and one day will become the moral fabric of society to everyone's detriment.

To protect freedom one must be intolerant to those who would destroy tolerance or intolerance will reign supreme over all facets of society and not just of the "oath keepers"

 

[Ser Prize]

Well the first problem with the right is they want to meet in the middle with whatever retarded demands the left makes.

The second problem is they want their kids to be cogs, they have pride in their kids being cheap labor for corporations which hate them at the cost of their future, and particularly trad wives are proud of limiting screentime which is the equivalent of taking your kids books away so they don't learn how to read. Essentially, they've surrendered technology, and education to the left due to personal values which led to further loss of ground and loss of opportunity.

I wouldn't say it's totally surrendering when it comes to academia. Academia was infiltrated over the span of decades and has been outright hostile to ring wing beliefs for a long time. They act as brainwashing factories for impressionable youths, turning them into marxist NPCs with the correct programming.

Secondly I'm not so sure limiting screentime is a bad thing. Kids need actual social interaction and physical play with other kids; helps them develop problem solving skills. That and the internet and phones can be super addictive to even adults, must be hell for kids.

 

[Toolbox]

Others have noticed it too. This comes in handy.
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Do I even need to bring up your history of coming into random threads to be a contrarian just to bait?

 

[big ups liquid richard]

Do I even need to bring up your history of coming into random threads to be a contrarian just to bait?

Please do. I am fascinated at how much time I occupy in your brain. I don't even know who you are. And being "contrarian" is usually just having a disagreement on kiwi farms.

 

[Toolbox]

Please do. I am fascinated at how much time I occupy in your brain.

You instantly replied lol.

 

[big ups liquid richard]

You instantly replied lol.

And now you just did too.

Notifications.

 

[byuu]

Do I even need to bring up your history of coming into random threads to be a contrarian just to bait?

It's one thing to be contrarian for shitposting, it's another to base your whole political ideology and worldview on being contrarian.

 

[Toolbox]

It's one thing to be contrarian for shitposting, it's another to base your whole political ideology and worldview on being contrarian.

Big Ups is another of the group to do the exact same thing, not just in his posting but how he seems to react to anything "the right" says. It's like the modern autism that gen z calls "irony" when it isn't.

 

[big ups liquid richard]

It's one thing to be contrarian for shitposting, it's another to base your whole political ideology and worldview on being contrarian.

I'm not even being contrarian, there are people who always agree with me in almost every thread I post in. I just have a habit of making the spergier people seethe by challenging their autism because they were presented with a different perspective. I can't help that. Anyway, I doubt people are here to discuss me.

 

[Demonslayer1776]

Politics in America have been boiled down to their absolute lowest common denominator forms. We have reached the absolute parity that is red team vs blue team. You are born red or blue, you vote red or blue, you dont read, question or expand on your vote. Many people don't even know who they are voting for, and the most alphabetical priotized name wins whenever there is no one up for re-election.

This is the end result of expanding the ability to vote without any standards. There are a lot of stupid people out there and it's much easier to change their minds than someone who has done actual research to come to an opinion or philosophy. It's much easier to win over retard number 100 with a blanket emotional appeal than to make a compelling argument to sway someone who has an actual backing to their stance. You can similarly keep the hyper partisan retards in place because they'll never sway anyways. Throw them a slight bone to motivate them to come out and their vote is secured. If there was an actual standard that required people to look into topics it would weed out thus issue, but it's too late at this point and would just end up with partisan question put in place by whoever was in charge.

 

[Frozen in time]

I hate how within the last 7 years or so instead of realizing the party shit is dogshit doodoo everyone nowgoes"UHH RIGHT/LEFT GUYIZ BAD!!!" It's fucking horrible and I hate it all. I don't mean this in the way people frame it as "taking sides and commiting to anything dumb" because what people do here is because it seems people nowadays have thrown away their prior individuality and free will for the sake of towing whatever political team they think is the "good guys" these days. At theend of the day none of them aregonna hire my NEET ass for actual money so maybe that's got a factor in how I haven't been swallowed by this beast of right/left shit. People ask me my standing on a fucking political compass test chart and I'm like "why the fuck does that even matter lmao". The human identity should not be boiled down to fucking politics team, skin color, and gender pronoun tickbox shit.

So things have been like this sense 2015 wow

 

[BULLY HUNTER_77]

I do want to fix the problem, I just have a different understanding of it from you. I don't necessarily want to ban lItErAlLy AnYtHiNg that disagrees with me, because yes, being *too* heavy-handed and overt in censorship often backfires. This is why I say that subversive ideologies should be suppressed by the most effective means possible, which may include overt censorship at times, but often will not.

The left understands this distinction while people like you are often unable to think in any terms other than this weird white-black all-or-nothing dichotomy where there's either no blowback whatsoever to a certain idea because "muh free speech" or it's off to the gulags with whoever posted the wrongthink, as if there's nothing in between those two points. Think about how successfully the enemy has been able to suppress certain ideas about race, WW2, etc., without having to ever actually make those views illegal to hold (in the US at least).

At the end of the day there will necessarily be a trade-off between "free speech absolutism" i.e. truly allowing people to say anything with no consequences, even including really vile or insane shit, vs having a more well-ordered society. When choosing between those I value the latter. You have been subverted to value the former thus undermining your ability to advocate openly for your own interests, you've been made too pre-occupied trying to be gracious and fair to the people who want you dead.

Lol, you're thinking like a European or Canadian.

America is a country created by terrorists, for terrorists. You should brush up on your history because Thomas Jefferson was printing the most vile shit about John Adams, while Jefferson was Adams' vice president. The original intent of the 1st amendment was so the cartel boss of the day with the most money and somewhat reasonable ideas was always virtually guaranteed to win elections. The issue today is the local cartel boss (the globohomo) has so much money that it thinks it doesn't need to worry about being reasonable in the slightest - which is looking like a mistake (IMO).

The happy side-effect of the 1st amendment was the free marketplace of ideas which allows good ideas to spread and retarded ideas to get shit on. Darwinism of ideas. Americans are retarded but they're the most difficult citizens to corral on earth. Retarded ideas are like diseases, you need them floating around in your society for your people to build up herd immunity. If you embrace the European or Canadian system of banning ideas for the good of your own citizens, you get weak, docile sheep for a citizenry - ripe for demoralization. Sure, you get a more orderly society (in the short term) but your orderly society is built on a house of cards.

 

[Sicklick]

This is probably the most high IQ post I've ever read on here. It's so high IQ I rarely hear it just in general but ignorance affects us.

 

[gang weeder]

America is a country created by terrorists, for terrorists. You should brush up on your history because Thomas Jefferson was printing the most vile shit about John Adams, while Jefferson was Adams' vice president. The original intent of the 1st amendment was so the cartel boss of the day with the most money and somewhat reasonable ideas was always virtually guaranteed to win elections. The issue today is the local cartel boss (the globohomo) has so much money that it thinks it doesn't need to worry about being reasonable in the slightest - which is looking like a mistake (IMO).

Wowzers they said mean things about each other that means they were literal terrorists! Oy vey!! That's a pretty funny line. Anyways, no, I do not think that Mean Things need to be censored, I wouldn't exactly be posting on kiwifarms if I was that type of pearl-clutcher. You're pretty far off the mark with that shit. I'm talking about post-modernism and all of its fruits, stuff designed to subvert the concept of morality itself. We should draw a line in the sand, put it on the other side of that line, and then ban it out of existence. Just like what was done with Nazism.

The suggestion that the person with "somewhat reasonable ideas was virtually guaranteed to win elections" is so naive it's not even funny. If our current situation hasn't yet disabused you of the notion that "having somewhat reasonable ideas" matters in the context of modern politics, I don't what to tell you. You're hopeless.

The happy side-effect of the 1st amendment was the free marketplace of ideas which allows good ideas to spread and retarded ideas to get shit on. Darwinism of ideas. Americans are retarded but they're the most difficult citizens to corral on earth. Retarded ideas are like diseases, you need them floating around in your society for your people to build up herd immunity. If you embrace the European or Canadian system of banning ideas for the good of your own citizens, you get weak, docile sheep for a citizenry - ripe for demoralization. Sure, you get a more orderly society (in the short term) but your orderly society is built on a house of cards.

Again, this idea of a "Darwinism of ideas" is just so obviously wrong it's not even funny. How can you sit here and shill that line in a timeline where troons rule popular discourse with a dilating fist while people such as yourself are relegated to anonymous Internet forums as the only means by which to engage in any meaningful form of "free speech?" That's almost as delusional as being a troon yourself. Again, if the current state of things isn't enough to convince you that "the right ideas" do *not* necessarily win out, then nothing ever will.

 

[BULLY HUNTER_77]

Again, this idea of a "Darwinism of ideas" is just so obviously wrong it's not even funny. How can you sit here and shill that line in a timeline where troons rule popular discourse with a dilating fist while people such as yourself are relegated to anonymous Internet forums as the only means by which to engage in any meaningful form of "free speech?" That's almost as delusional as being a troon yourself. Again, if the current state of things isn't enough to convince you that "the right ideas" do *not* necessarily win out, then nothing ever will.

It's not the fact that normies will just adopt immoral traits, it's the fact if we allow brainwashing and grooming of the children it could one day become the majority of a nation or society at large, and might be what Darwin described as a species hitting the wall.

You can think whatever you want but Darwinism of ideas is an evolutionary pressure to make people less susceptible to demoralization. If you try to restrict the ideas your citizens are exposed to, your ideas get weaker and the demoralizing ideas get stronger.

Take a look at this picture:

Now, you tell me if the globohomo trans agenda is winning the hearts and minds of the normies. They have tried and failed to regulate this discussion to the darkest corners of the Internet. It's now being discussed on television and the radio. It's called the Streisand Effect.

 

[Mewtwo_Rain]

You can think whatever you want but Darwinism of ideas is an evolutionary pressure to make people less susceptible to demoralization. If you try to restrict the ideas your citizens are exposed to, your ideas get weaker and the demoralizing ideas get stronger.

Take a look at this picture:
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Now, you tell me if the globohomo trans agenda is winning the hearts and minds of the normies. They have tried and failed to regulate this discussion to the darkest corners of the Internet. It's now being discussed on television and the radio. It's called the Streisand Effect.

The problem with your comparison is it doesn't factor in brainwashing and subliminal messaging intended to change people's opinion. Ever notice how the Overton window is shifting ever further left, by that logic what is the point of the right wing if the Overton window is going continuously left, almost like either A) Brainwashing works and subliminal message and deceptive reasoning (emotional please) or B) Right wing rhetoric is retarded and getting phased out slowly but surely.

You tell me.

There's a difference between even (even level) exposure of ideas and force handed and manipulated ideas, that which Darwinism of ideas will not help the only way to stop brainwashing is to prevent it in the first place before the manipulation takes place.

George Orwell wrote many books like 1984 warning of dystopian futures and of socialism, yet was a profound socialist, because brainwashed ideas DO NOT fade away in someone's mind. It's that simple.

 

[stupid orc]

deep thought really is the retard containment board huh

 

[Zbk3VmLfujjzjxBd43tL]

How so? I've been consistently pro-Trump in the past.

Maybe that's part of the problem. Maybe you're just mad at Trump for something, I dunno. You figure it out instead of posting a rant of pure willful ignorance. You accuse everyone of being "contrarians" but have you ever considered that being contrarian to the media narrative of the day is actually just common sense, even if you don't actually understand why you're opposing it? I mean I'm not a right-winger and can construct a good argument why Ukraine are the real bad guys in this scenario, but you don't have to understand geopolitics or the 80+ year history of Ukraine-West relations to know that when the media says "Ukraine good" they're lying their ass off and should be opposed.

Yes, the Right has people who are NPCs, shocking discovery I know. But yet the NPCs on the Right are closer to reality than the NPCs on the Left and far less destructive to have around when the Leftist NPC does not know how many genders there are, supports burning American cities in the name of racial justice, and wants a nuclear war with Russia (granted some Rightist NPCs probably do now too thanks to neocon fags like Sean Hannity).

Lefty & Co. systematically blocked his every single attempt to fix those problems. Absolutely every move he ever made was shut down by activists at every turn. How is that his fault?

Because he was too afraid to get into direct confrontations with his political opponents and utilize his supporters like Andrew Jackson did. I bring up Jackson because Jackson also faced down big, powerful interests in the name of the common man and because Trump directly compared himself to Jackson REPEATEDLY. Yet in the end, Trump just handed it off to someone else and passed the blame to "RINOs", never mind that Trump mostly just golfed and let Kushner (a RINO) handle most of the shit.

This post pretty much proves OPs point my dude - you absolutely come off as a mindless contrarian. You're okay with the DOJ spying on journalists as long as they're not journalists on "your side." You don't want to fix the problem - you just want to see the roles reversed.

The Internet is centralized in America because of the 1st amendment - there is soft power in allowing people to speak their minds and competition weeds out retarded ideas. If your first instinct is to silence your opposition, maybe you need to do some self-reflection on how robust your own ideals are.

The Left (and to a degree the Right, especially neocons) have constructed an awesome model for the sort of authoritarian society we as humans probably need (since let's face it, the majority of people are unthinking sheep, NPCs, hylics, whatever you want to call them). The sort of inverted totalitarianism, a "free" society like America has been since arguably the post-9/11 era, would be unironically great to have if some decent people (i.e. not the modern Left) were in charge of it. So yes, I am okay with the DOJ spying on journalists if they were doing it to persecute anti-American, anti-human journalists like the slime at Vox, WaPo, etc.