Russian Invasion of Ukraine Megathread

How well is the war this going for Russia?

  • ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ Blyatskrieg

    Votes: 249 10.6%
  • ⭐⭐⭐⭐ I ain't afraid of no Ghost of Kiev

    Votes: 278 11.8%
  • ⭐⭐⭐ Competent attack with some upsets

    Votes: 796 33.7%
  • ⭐⭐ Stalemate

    Votes: 659 27.9%
  • ⭐ Ukraine takes back Crimea 2022

    Votes: 378 16.0%

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If Ukraine counter attacks. It's going to be around Kherson, not the Donbass. The entire Russian force in that theater would be fucked if the forces in Odessa could break through behind them and cut the supply line back to crimea
I was more thinking along the lines of "Russia isn't making much progress advancing in the Donbass region to actually encircle Ukrainian troops there". But if Ukraine somehow (though I feel it's very unlikely) takes Kherson back, the cope and excuses made up to say "Kherson was a feint too!" really will be glorious.
 
It's more like calling progressives genocidal because they think every group of light-skinned people with a distinct language, history, and common heritage should be stripped of a national identity and dissolved into a common, universal humanity so that formerly ethnic terms, like "French," refer solely to a person who lives on a certain patch of ground under the jurisdiction of a particular UN-recognized government.
The irony of this is that Ukraine is fighting to be a part of the bloc which promotes total homogenization and which will given enough time completely subsume whatever unique Ukrainian identity exists.
 
Can you quote one of my posts where I said anything like that? I don't think I've ever written or typed "globohomo" in my life, I actually like the homo part.

My general position is this: the war could have been prevented if you and Ukraine extended the principle of self-determination to DPR, LPR and Crimea. Zelensky knew all along that NATO and EU wouldn't let him join.

Zelensky and his backers want to maintain control and continue embezzling my tax money. Ukrainian nationalists want to Ukrainize the multi-ethnic, multilingual state by force, and eventually destroy Russia. Both feel entitled to support from Western elites who also want to embezzle money and destroy Russia.

I'm not encouraging anyone to go get themselves killed. You are, but you won't go help them even though Zelensky invited you.
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I was more thinking along the lines of "Russia isn't making much progress advancing in the Donbass region to actually encircle Ukrainian troops there". But if Ukraine somehow (though I feel it's very unlikely) takes Kherson back, the cope and excuses made up to say "Kherson was a feint too!" really will be glorious.
For weeks I've been trying to distill some coherent, consistent principle or premise behind support for the Ukrainian government.

You guys just hate Russia, and you regard Ukrainians as expendable to that end, right?
 
For weeks I've been trying to distill some coherent, consistent principle or premise behind support for the Ukrainian government.

You guys just hate Russia, and you regard Ukrainians as expendable to that end, right?
I don't like the Ukrainian Government, but I also don't like Russia and believe them to be worse. I'm convinced Russia wants to annex Ukraine or at least put up a puppet government tied so closely with Russia it might as well be a part of Russia. It's a lesser of two evils deal for me, and at the end of the day it's the Ukrainians being bombed, shelled, and occupied.
 
- the official russian position, as stated by putin himself, is to categorically deny ukraines nationhood
The incumbent authorities in Ukraine like to refer to Western experience, seeing it as a model to follow. Just have a look at how Austria and Germany, the USA and Canada live next to each other. Close in ethnic composition, culture, in fact sharing one language, they remain sovereign states with their own interests, with their own foreign policy. But this does not prevent them from the closest integration or allied relations. They have very conditional, transparent borders. And when crossing them the citizens feel at home. They create families, study, work, do business. Incidentally, so do millions of those born in Ukraine who now live in Russia. We see them as our own close people.

Russia is open to dialogue with Ukraine and ready to discuss the most complex issues. But it is important for us to understand that our partner is defending its national interests but not serving someone else's, and is not a tool in someone else's hands to fight against us.

We respect the Ukrainian language and traditions. We respect Ukrainians' desire to see their country free, safe and prosperous.

I am confident that true sovereignty of Ukraine is possible only in partnership with Russia. Our spiritual, human and civilizational ties formed for centuries and have their origins in the same sources, they have been hardened by common trials, achievements and victories. Our kinship has been transmitted from generation to generation. It is in the hearts and the memory of people living in modern Russia and Ukraine, in the blood ties that unite millions of our families. Together we have always been and will be many times stronger and more successful. For we are one people.

Today, these words may be perceived by some people with hostility. They can be interpreted in many possible ways. Yet, many people will hear me. And I will say one thing – Russia has never been and will never be “anti-Ukraine”. And what Ukraine will be – it is banan.

V.Putin MonKEEVich
This is what that meme manifesto nobody read but everybody references says, lol. It's all muh Rus brotherhood shit, that he says was subverted by some parentheses elements of the globo and homo variety, though he calls it "anti-Russia project". Which is sorta accurate.
- russian sources routinely paint everybody who opposes them as a nazi (not even limited to ukraine, they do this with poland and baltics too)
- russian sources also routinely describe how they are enthusiastically looking forward to annihilate all nazis and nationalists, how they intend to give no quarter, take no prisoners, etc
Funnily enough, in this instance they are more accurate than wrong. US glowies ended up empowering ultranationalists so much after maidan that jew in chief has to kiss Bandera's ring in interviews. Unironic galician neon yahtzees dictated ukranian culture for the last 8 years while oligarchs were fucking around in the west. The type that says "ukrianians are 100% different people, russians are mongols, we white", despite both being the same gene of gopnik. But, they were aggressively anti-russian and militant too, so they were the best tool for glowies.

By the time Zelensky got elected, it turned out if he so much as tried to mediate Donbass, the ultranationalists were just gonna fuck his shit up. If you want to know why he's so defiant, well, he's more afraid of what the ukies will do to him than the russians. And it's not just over meme militia like Azov. They're just larpers. Normal army itself is varying degrees of ultranationalist/has those views.
-russia has a rich history of genociding/cleansing/deporting unruly ethnic minorities. notable examples include the circassians, the chechens, and the ukrainians
Tsarist and Soviet yes, Russian Federation is cuck multiculti shit, read the above words of Senor Monke. They blew up Grozny and instead of wiping chechens out they pay billions to them so Kadyrov can buy golden toilets for updoots on insta. If they were as real mofos as you claimed, RF would be uyghuring instead of payola. Russian Federation successfully got ethnic russians cleansed out of the caucasus.
-soviet russia also had a history of aggressively forcing russification onto its subjects, including ukraine, which included not just pushing russian language on them but also large scale resettlement of ethnic russians into ukrainian territory
Russification is a tsarist thing, Soviet Union was some retarded bullshit where everyone's a republic with their own (grorious sovyet) culture but the overall lingua franca is russian like how english is today in the US vassal zone, but also entire ethinicites and religions(mostly orthodox russians) get deported to random places because fuck you so now all the ethnicities are all over the place. History started in 1917, Lenin created the world, name your kids Lamp and Tractor, soviet future is the culture. And then WW2 happened and Stalin was also a napoleonic-boo so old history/culture was reinstated for continuity and to create patriotism.

The ukranian issue for example goes straight back to old tsarist shit with "novorossiya". Chief Banan says as much in his manifesto and reading inbetween the lines, says Khokholistan is malorossiya, and that's fine, but novorossiya banan is not malorossiya's banan. He's mostly a Three Ruses larper otherwise, so he does want Ukranny to exist, only without all the banan he claims belongs to Ruskiye.
 
If significant progress regarding encircling the Donbass Ukrainian army isn't made within the next week or two, I have to wonder what will be next goalpost for the "It's all going according to the plan" people will become. I used to find the Ghost Of 'Kyiv' people to be the most entertaining clowns, but at this point the people convinced that it's impossible for Russia to suffer a strategic defeat have taken that title.

This op-ed in the nytimes from a week ago essentially captures what a plan B Russian success could look like.


Most relevant part -

Suppose for a moment that Putin never intended to conquer all of Ukraine: that, from the beginning, his real targets were the energy riches of Ukraine’s east, which contain Europe’s second-largest known reserves of natural gas (after Norway’s).

Combine that with Russia’s previous territorial seizures in Crimea (which has huge offshore energy fields) and the eastern provinces of Luhansk and Donetsk (which contain part of an enormous shale-gas field), as well as Putin’s bid to control most or all of Ukraine’s coastline, and the shape of Putin’s ambitions become clear. He’s less interested in reuniting the Russian-speaking world than he is in securing Russia’s energy dominance.

“Under the guise of an invasion, Putin is executing an enormous heist,” said Canadian energy expert David Knight Legg. As for what’s left of a mostly landlocked Ukraine, it will likely become a welfare case for the West, which will help pick up the tab for resettling Ukraine’s refugees to new homes outside of Russian control. In time, a Viktor Orban-like figure could take Ukraine’s presidency, imitating the strongman-style of politics that Putin prefers in his neighbors.

I know there's a lot of cope involved since Putin obviously wanted a puppet of his choosing in Kiev, but if the Russians dig in and hold on to the oil while leaving Ukraine landlocked, it'd be a problem for the West.
 
I don't like the Ukrainian Government, but I also don't like Russia and believe them to be worse. I'm convinced Russia wants to annex Ukraine or at least put up a puppet government tied so closely with Russia it might as well be a part of Russia. It's a lesser of two evils deal for me, and at the end of the day it's the Ukrainians being bombed, shelled, and occupied.
I don't think that's coherent or consistent. You're defending the principle of Ukraine's secession and self-determination from the Russian Empire/USSR, but Ukraine won't let the Donbass republics go.

Secession from communist empires is ok, but state borders derived from those of erstwhile administrative units of said communist empires are sacred?
 
Burgers are pushing to get russia out of the UN Human rights council.
U.S. pushes to suspend Russia from U.N. human rights body (reuters article)
" BUCHAREST, April 4 (Reuters) - The United States will ask the U.N. General Assembly to suspend Russia from the Human Rights Council, the U.S. ambassador to the United Nations said on Monday, after Ukraine accused Russian troops of killing dozens of civilians in the town of Bucha.
A two-thirds majority vote by the 193-member assembly in New York can suspend a state for persistently committing gross and systematic violations of human rights."
"Russia's participation on the Human Rights Council is a farce," U.S. Ambassador Linda Thomas-Greenfield said on a visit to Romania."
"And it is wrong, which is why we believe it is time the UN General Assembly vote to remove them."
Ukraine said that it will use all "available UN mechanisms" to collect evidence on Russia's crimes in the country.
"No place for Russia on the UN Human Rights Council," Ukraine's Foreign Minister Dmytro Kuleba said.
Thomas-Greenfield said she wants to have the vote this week."

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The UN human rights council is kind of a joke, i wonder if they would have the balls to do this but in the defense council instead.
 
-soviet russia also had a history of aggressively forcing russification onto its subjects, including ukraine, which included not just pushing russian language on them but also large scale resettlement of ethnic russians into ukrainian territory

all of these support the russians genocidal intent towards ukrainians
In 2012 the Yanukovych government passed a law that allowed local governments and media to serve the public in local languages, like Russian.

Ukrainian nationalists staged a mass hunger strike in Maidan Square.
 
For weeks I've been trying to distill some coherent, consistent principle or premise behind support for the Ukrainian government.

You guys just hate Russia, and you regard Ukrainians as expendable to that end, right?
I have no particular love for the government of Ukraine, but Russia did the invading. I want Ukraine to beat back Russia to give pause to the PRC about the ROC.
 
Burgers are pushing to get russia out of the UN Human rights council.
U.S. pushes to suspend Russia from U.N. human rights body (reuters article)
" BUCHAREST, April 4 (Reuters) - The United States will ask the U.N. General Assembly to suspend Russia from the Human Rights Council, the U.S. ambassador to the United Nations said on Monday, after Ukraine accused Russian troops of killing dozens of civilians in the town of Bucha.
A two-thirds majority vote by the 193-member assembly in New York can suspend a state for persistently committing gross and systematic violations of human rights."
"Russia's participation on the Human Rights Council is a farce," U.S. Ambassador Linda Thomas-Greenfield said on a visit to Romania."
"And it is wrong, which is why we believe it is time the UN General Assembly vote to remove them."
Ukraine said that it will use all "available UN mechanisms" to collect evidence on Russia's crimes in the country.
"No place for Russia on the UN Human Rights Council," Ukraine's Foreign Minister Dmytro Kuleba said.
Thomas-Greenfield said she wants to have the vote this week."

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The UN human rights council is kind of a joke, i wonder if they would have the balls to do this but in the defense council instead.
I'm not entirely certain you can remove someone from the security council, at least not without more or less destroying the UN. China would never go for it, unless the replacement was a complete Chinese puppet. As for the human rights council....yeah it's a total joke given who's been on it in the past.
 
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I have no particular love for the government of Ukraine, but Russia did the invading. I want Ukraine to beat back Russia to give pause to the PRC about the ROC.
This isn't consistent. The USA and allies have invaded, overthrown or attacked numerous sovereign states just in the last couple of decades.

On the other hand, Vietnam invaded Cambodia and deposed the Khmer Rouge. Is that ok with you?
 
It's more like calling progressives genocidal because they think every group of light-skinned people with a distinct language, history, and common heritage should be stripped of a national identity and dissolved into a common, universal humanity so that formerly ethnic terms, like "French," refer solely to a person who lives on a certain patch of ground under the jurisdiction of a particular UN-recognized government.
Actually in France that has been law since 1872, everyone is legally just "French".
 
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"Any seasoned drone operators interested in doing drone recon on front lines? I have been so far but I’m wearing too many hats and need to delegate a couple of them"
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"... on front lines"

Edit - Unrelated but interesting to share:
A Chinese AR-165 assault drone armed with a Type 95 rifle.
I think it's safe to assume that both sides have similar drones.
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I wouldn't be surprised if both sides have jerry rigged something similar. One thing I saw suggested on youtube was that the cope cages we've seen on some vehicles may have been intended to deflect grenades dropped from drones like that, which Russia apparently encountered in Syria.
 
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