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President Joe Biden on Tuesday said that the United States will impose sanctions “far beyond” the ones that the United States imposed in 2014 following the annexation of the Crimean peninsula.

“This is the beginning of a Russian invasion of Ukraine,” Biden said in a White House speech, signaling a shift in his administration’s position. “We will continue to escalate sanctions if Russia escalates,” he added.

Russian elites and their family members will also soon face sanctions, Biden said, adding that “Russia will pay an even steeper price” if Moscow decides to push forward into Ukraine. Two Russian banks and Russian sovereign debt will also be sanctioned, he said.

Also in his speech, Biden said he would send more U.S. troops to the Baltic states as a defensive measure to strengthen NATO’s position in the area.

Russia shares a border with Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania.

A day earlier, Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered troops to go into the separatist Donetsk and Lugansk regions in eastern Ukraine after a lengthy speech in which he recognized the two regions’ independence.

Western powers decried the move and began to slap sanctions on certain Russian individuals, while Germany announced it would halt plans to go ahead with the Russia-to-Germany Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

At home, Biden is facing bipartisan pressure to take more extensive actions against Russia following Putin’s decision. However, a recent poll showed that a majority of Americans believe that sending troops to Ukraine is a “bad idea,” and a slim minority believes it’s a good one.

All 27 European Union countries unanimously agreed on an initial list of sanctions targeting Russian authorities, said French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian, and EU foreign affairs head Josep Borell claimed the package “will hurt Russia … a lot.”

Earlier Tuesday, Borell asserted that Russian troops have already entered the Donbas region, which comprises Donetsk and Lugansk, which are under the control of pro-Russia groups since 2014.

And on Tuesday, the Russian Parliament approved a Putin-back plan to use military force outside of Russia’s borders as Putin further said that Russia confirmed it would recognize the expanded borders of Lugansk and Donetsk.

“We recognized the states,” the Russian president said. “That means we recognized all of their fundamental documents, including the constitution, where it is written that their [borders] are the territories at the time the two regions were part of Ukraine.”

Speaking to reporters on Tuesday, Putin said that Ukraine is “not interested in peaceful solutions” and that “every day, they are amassing troops in the Donbas.”

Meanwhile, Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky on Tuesday morning again downplayed the prospect of a Russian invasion and proclaimed: “There will be no war.”

“There will not be an all-out war against Ukraine, and there will not be a broad escalation from Russia. If there is, then we will put Ukraine on a war footing,” he said in a televised address.

The White House began to signal that they would shift their own position on whether it’s the start of an invasion.

“We think this is, yes, the beginning of an invasion, Russia’s latest invasion into Ukraine,” said Jon Finer, the White House deputy national security adviser in public remarks. “An invasion is an invasion and that is what is underway.”

For weeks, Western governments have been claiming Moscow would invade its neighbor after Russia gathered some 150,000 troops along the countries’ borders. They alleged that the Kremlin would attempt to come up with a pretext to attack, while some officials on Monday said Putin’s speech recognizing the two regions was just that.

But Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin told reporters Tuesday that Russia’s “latest invasion” of Ukraine is threatening stability in the region, but he asserted that Putin can “still avoid a full blown, tragic war of choice.”

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[RodgerDodger]

Nope she was still Royal Navy even with the ice cream maker as it was there to keep the Yankees abroad happy. As they weren't allowed alcohol as per USN regulations. And if she was an USN vessel the English crew almost surely would've mutiny as they will lose their rum and beer rations as the USN is dry country.

I think I remember reading that they let the ship keep the Ice Cream Maker when they gave her back, with the Nations Thanks. The Ice Cream Makers in the US Pacific Fleet were only on the Capital Ships. So Carriers and Battleships.(plus Subs, it was a special perk) But they served an important role for the entire fleet. The Carriers had enough production capacity that they could set aside 10 or 25 gallons for any ships which rescue and return downed pilots. The Destroyers fought tooth and nail over who could bring back the most pilots. Just to get extra rations of Ice Cream. In the hot humid climate of the South Pacific, Ice Cream was worth more than Beer to the crews at sea. War can be funny.

 

[Mr E. Grifter]

Don't forget, too, the F117 would have been rushed into combat and, against Slavjank AA systems would have been black magic. The Soviets would literally have no answer for that thing. I'm aware the Serbs shot one down, but it had nothing to do with slavjank and everything to do with an overconfident pilot and bad, bad mission planning.

Let's not forget amazing tactics by that Serb commander who actually shot one down, and hit another the following day with a AA battery from the 60s. He had observed Iraqi tactics in 1991 and watched them get annihilated, adjusted accordingly.

I'd say 1979-1980 was the absolute apex of Russian military power and the sheer mass of men and materiel they could've thrown at NATO (as well as the fact that a lot of it was on par or outright superior to its NATO contemporaries) would still have been fearsome as hell to face down even in hindsight. That being said looking back I have serious questions as to whether or not Soviet logistics were even up to the task and I'm beginning to doubt the Soviets could've sustained a massive thrust into West Germany for longer than a week or so, though. Needless to say NATO not only caught up fast throughout the 80s but started to rapidly surpass the Soviets conventionally as the PGM revolution started to make NATO war planners believe blunting a Soviet offensive without nukes was well within the realm of possibility and the USSR shat itself to death trying to keep up. Now? I'm barely exaggerating when I say that I think a handful of brigade combat teams with air support could turn the entire Russian invasion force into the Republican Guard circa 1991.

In a sense we saw what would have happened if NATO and the USSR had faced off at the end of the cold war in microcosm during the 1991 Gulf War.

See, Russia to this day knows it can't win in the air so it employs air defense to try and dent Western freedom of movement in the sky. As a result tens - maybe hundreds - of billions was spent in the 80s developing tactics and weapons to counter air defense systems Iraq, which had probably the most advanced air defense system in the world at that time, yet it was picked apart by the US and their allies in a matter of days.

Notably, Russian SEAD still isn't up to what the West had in 1990.

 

[MarvinTheParanoidAndroid]

It sounds so much like those weenies back in the early 2000s and the Vietnam War who were one step away from being apologists for the enemy.

Modern Russia is no better than Saddam or the Viet Cong. In many ways, they're even worse. Especially once you see how Russians live and how they're conditioned to be slaves to the state, especially in the army where conscripts are raped and tortured (dedovschchina) into being loyal patsies of the state.

Imma stop you right here and remind you that the inciting event of Vietnam was a false flag event and 9/11 was allowed to happen. The Cuban Missile crises almost ended with the U.S. government bombing Florida so they could justify putting boots on Cuban soil.

Why shouldn't we Americans be skeptical of a government that feels inclined to Pearl Harbor itself every time it feels like going to war? Allowing it and buying into it every time just proves that murdering your own civilians will work because your populace are stupid sheep who deserve to die for being so stupid as to believe you anyway, so why not?

This situation is one in which the United States has literally no skin in, and in fact risk losing more by getting involved personally. Sending Ukrainian artillery to shoot at Russians is fine, putting our own troops on Ukrainian soil is a no-sale.

I fail to see how russian soldiers raping Ukrainian women in front of their children is conducive to this goal.
You people are fucking deranged. You're vicariously living out your insane fantasies through Putin and his goblin army like some goddamn cucks.

This entire war has honestly been a very enlightening experience for me regarding who really thinks what thing.

Your emotional outbursts aside, what Russia does has zero effect on me, while Zelensky's handlers are the same assholes responsible for the slow and steady erosion of American liberty and culture over the last twenty years.

Fuck you and your faux morality, the USSR was the biggest globohomo op of its time, and modern day Russia is filled with the very same people who ran the USSR and they very much want their globohomo back, hence the sodomy of their own men. I don't even know how you can come to the conclusion that these people are against globohomo when their soldiers are raping children as young as nine and under.

I'm guessing it doesn't count when it's Ukrainian kids getting raped? Can't really tell me that you're diametrically opposed to a globalist cabal that wants child rape while simping for a has-been globalist cabal that wants child rape.

Then tell the Russians to gtfo, or we'll do it again. Escalate to de-escalate as the Russians call it - and they know our involvement would lead to a catastrophic defeat. Sitting idly by like this is going to be criticised for years to come, how is this just being allowed to happen?

Nuclear bombs. That's it, really.

I've seen pro-Putin shills be all like "what are you a woman, stop being so emotional, it's war, of course people will die" when presented with evidence of civilian death when you can't claim it as fake or false flag anymore, I don't take them seriously because those same people would get outraged over those unconfirmed vids of POWs getting kneecapped who may or may not have been artillerymen responsible for those very civilian shellings.

Almost everybody who's an A&H regular has been a total hypocrite about this, old users who disappeared for years coming back just to shill for Putin included. I wouldn't be surprised if the Americans shilling for Putin were actually just Russians pretending to be other nationalities.

 

[RodgerDodger]

IIRC during the Cold War the Red Navy expected about a third of a ship's systems to be non-functioning or otherwise ineffective thanks to poor maintenance. I doubt things have gotten better if the state of the Russian Army is anything to go by.

At least they're stealing practical shit for their families like tools and spare parts instead of Air Jordans. Hell, considering how expensive good tools are there's every chance those families are getting several times more financial worth than a bunch of joggers looting a Nike store.

I'd say 1983 was when things irreversibly turned in favor of the West. The leadup to Able Archer 83 with stuff like FleetEx 83 showed a ton of vulnerabilities in Soviet defenses. As to land forces the first Western composite-armored tanks such as the Abrams and Challenger began showing up that could resist hits by the latest Soviet weapons, and the air was... the F-15 would have creamed the Red Air Force and the F-16 and A-10 their armor. The hardliners all finally died off in 1985 and Gorbachev took power, and began immediately doing his best to reform the USSR into something other than an uber-militarized Stalinist hellhole of a country. And that was that for the USSR, because it could not survive as anything else.

What year was it the they suffered a massive series of Missile Explosions at Severomorsk? It wiped out over a third of their deployable nuclear missiles. Damaged The Black Sea fleet horribly, and everyone in the area thought WW3 was on.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Severomorsk_Disaster

 

[Vince McMahon]

Globohomo, also known as corporate wokeness, corporate virtue signaling, or neoliberalism

Globohomo cannot be but a cultural definition, a cultural definition and a political, free-market capitalism movement.

See, that's the thing with fringe rightoids. You like to educate people in shit and the drive in itself is commendable but you create completely detached from the reality axis of coordinates and expect that people will accept it without question.

Let's try again (and an invitation to all Russia shills) - define "globohomo" for me.

 

[Mr E. Grifter]

Nuclear bombs. That's it, really.

Hard doubt on that when this wouldn't be an invasion of Russia itself.

Seriously, why would anyone opt to invade that disgusting shit tip anyway. Noone wants that rust bucket full of rapists, the world has moved on from retarded empires to used to wank off the egos of rulers. Russia is just stuck in the 1800s in terms of that mindset.

 

[Vince McMahon]

I wouldn't be surprised if the Americans shilling for Putin were actually just Russians pretending to be other nationalities.

4chan and other Angloid niche spaces are extensively populated by an outlier Slav contingent. We are "different" Slavs, as we've acquired an advanced knowledge of English and we wanted to break the mundanity of our "local" content and attach to the "source" of the memes. We mostly don't have our own Internet culture and all the memes we produce are either fermentation of ideas from the West or localization of Western memes.

The former USSR thoughtspace used to be dominated by Russian content and Russian users. The fact that you see advanced English users unmask reflects that idea. "Different" Russians (as we call them) are different only because they wish to have a slightly more liberal czar but they are flesh and blood of the Russian nation as a whole. Very few can resist the call of their blood to be what they are, a mongoloid horde.

 

[nosemouth]

Sorry i dont speak Child Rapist, you fucking Russian fucks.

Tantrum more, I still don't give a fuck what Russia does as long as they keep it outside my country's borders; I'm still going to cheer when the globohomo that *has* infested my country sees their economic terrorism utterly defeated

 

[Vince McMahon]

Tantrum more, I still don't give a fuck what Russia does as long as they keep it outside my country's borders; I'm still going to cheer when the globohomo that *has* infested my country sees their economic terrorism utterly defeated

Define "globohomo" for me.

 

[MarvinTheParanoidAndroid]

Fucking Russia simps!!!. Their were plenty photos of the massacres in this very thread. What peices of shits.

"If I don't see it on this very page, it doesn't exist and if I do see it, it's not real and a Ukie false flag."

 

[Astro Galactic Megalul]

Tantrum more, I still don't give a fuck what Russia does as long as they keep it outside my country's borders; I'm still going to cheer when the globohomo that *has* infested my country sees their economic terrorism utterly defeated

They'd still be ruling over you, so what you're doing is essentially coping. Well, don't forget to dilate while you're at it.

 

[Iceland Heavy]

Tantrum more, I still don't give a fuck what Russia does as long as they keep it outside my country's borders; I'm still going to cheer when the globohomo that *has* infested my country sees their economic terrorism utterly defeated

Putin's monke chimpout has done a lot more to strengthen globohomo than it has to weaken it. It's bolstered NATO and the EU far beyond any point in the past few decades and pulled off the seemingly impossible task of making Biden appear to be a lucid and minimally competent statesman.
>b-but it's gonna be the end of the petrodollar any day now, Xi and his mini-me Putin are going to rise and destroy save the west
Cope.

 

[MarvinTheParanoidAndroid]

I pray the Ukrainians come out victorious in this upcoming battle. They deserve it especially after they proved so many people including myself wrong about them. As I originally thought they would fall in two days. They proved me wrong.

I hope they advance into Russia and take Moscow.

we are on the last point, as McMahon posted earlier today, Russian newspapers already rant about completely erasing national identity anyone who is against restoring old times.

FYI, four years ago, Putin signed an order re-creating political officers in RF armed forces. In the days of the Soviet Union they were responsible about moral and political agenda of the communist party within the ranks. I have no idea what kind of bullshit they brainwash now.

Woah, are we about to see Russia become a hermit nation like North Korea? I was previously of the opinion that Russia would simply come out of this situation a broken 3rd world craphole, but it never occurred to me that they could become North Korea 2: Electric Boogaloo until now. It's a perfectly logical step in light of failure, Russia just recedes into itself and it keeps Russo-nationalism on life support by constantly pumping out lies to their populace.

I find it funny how putin suckers act like the Russian news outlets aren't all completely controlled by the Russian government and are approved by the Russian government itself. Russia doesn't really have a free press. Also alot of the Russian news stories all clearly bullshit. Yet the retards get butthurt if you point to the flaws of the stories

These same people will tell you that every other nation has state-controlled media, but the same logic doesn't follow for Russia itself for some reason, when it would logically be the most prone to it.

 

[bread n circuses]

Putin's monke chimpout has done a lot more to strengthen globohomo than it has to weaken it. It's bolstered NATO and the EU far beyond any point in the past few decades and pulled off the seemingly impossible task of making Biden appear to be a lucid and minimally competent statesman.
>b-but it's gonna be the end of the petrodollar any day now, Xi and his mini-me Putin are going to rise and destroy save the west
Cope.

This is some delusional shit. Biden is more unpopular than Trump was, Macron is on the verge of losing to fucking Le Pen, and the NATO countries in general face massive domestic problems that will cripple their ability to keep the pressure up on Russia(people are already losing interest).

America can’t get anybody but its core allies to do shit to Russia, the reaction to the war and america begging for sanctions was an indifferent shrug from most countries outside of the west.

Cope, amerimutt.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

Imma stop you right here and remind you that the inciting event of Vietnam was a false flag event and 9/11 was allowed to happen. The Cuban Missile crises almost ended with the U.S. government bombing Florida so they could justify putting boots on Cuban soil.

Why shouldn't we Americans be skeptical of a government that feels inclined to Pearl Harbor itself every time it feels like going to war? Allowing it and buying into it every time just proves that murdering your own civilians will work because your populace are stupid sheep who deserve to die for being so stupid as to believe you anyway, so why not?

Care to provide any proof that doesn't come from conspiracy theorists? 9/11 was due to the incompetence of the FBI and CIA (they were rival organizations that fought each other for more money and support, and thus, did not share files on Bin Laden with each other) and we went into Vietnam to stop Communism from spreading, the same reason we went to Korea. They even had an anti-communist south and a communist north, same as Korea.

This situation is one in which the United States has literally no skin in, and in fact risk losing more by getting involved personally. Sending Ukrainian artillery to shoot at Russians is fine, putting our own troops on Ukrainian soil is a no-sale.

There are already American soldiers who went to Ukraine to fight for Ukraine. Listening to them talk, it's a far more worthy cause than firebombing Afghanistan and Iraq.

The most I would do, however, is give Ukraine an extra check so they can "hire" American mercenaries like Blackwater/Academi, and then have some experienced US marines and special forces volunteers join said merc bands.

Putin's monke chimpout has done a lot more to strengthen globohomo than it has to weaken it. It's bolstered NATO and the EU far beyond any point in the past few decades and pulled off the seemingly impossible task of making Biden appear to be a lucid and minimally competent statesman.
>b-but it's gonna be the end of the petrodollar any day now, Xi and his mini-me Putin are going to rise and destroy save the west
Cope.

Exactly. This little invasion made the Left seem somewhat competent. Now, the next time the election rolls around, the Left will attack the Right for the fact that many of the right's leading figures were chummy with Putin, while the Left will coast on the fact that Biden provided support for Ukraine.

This is some delusional shit. Biden is more unpopular than Trump was, Macron is on the verge of losing to fucking Le Pen, and the NATO countries in general face massive domestic problems that will cripple their ability to keep the pressure up on Russia(people are already losing interest).

And? The NATO countries are nowhere near as fucked as Russia, and the populace are still very much invested in seeing Putin fall.

America can’t get anybody but its core allies to do shit to Russia, the reaction to the war outside of the West and america begging for sanctions was an indifferent shrug.

Their core allies are enough; everyone else is irrelevant to this conflict.

Tantrum more, I still don't give a fuck what Russia does as long as they keep it outside my country's borders; I'm still going to cheer when the globohomo that *has* infested my country sees their economic terrorism utterly defeated

"Globohomo" is becoming stronger BECAUSE of Russia. Now they have global support and more reasons to lock up right-wingers.

Next time they decide to throw right-wing idiots like you into the can, they'll just say that you're a Russia supporter, and that will be enough for the cops.

 

[MarvinTheParanoidAndroid]

Care to provide any proof that doesn't come from conspiracy theorists? 9/11 was due to the incompetence of the FBI and CIA (they were rival organizations that fought each other for more money and support, and thus, did not share files on Bin Laden with each other)

https://kiwifarms.st/threads/nyt-secure-server-leak.74777/

I haven't taken out time to read the relevant PDFs but skimming the thread, other Kiwis have confirmed the documents say that the relevant powers knew about it and stepped back to let it happen.

There are already American soldiers who went to Ukraine to fight for Ukraine. Listening to them talk, it's a far more worthy cause than firebombing Afghanistan and Iraq.

Are these soldiers actually deployed by the U.S. military or are they acting as mercenaries?

 

[bread n circuses]

Care to provide any proof that doesn't come from conspiracy theorists? 9/11 was due to the incompetence of the FBI and CIA (they were rival organizations that fought each other for more money and support, and thus, did not share files on Bin Laden with each other) and we went into Vietnam to stop Communism from spreading, the same reason we went to Korea. They even had an anti-communist south and a communist north.


There are already American soldiers who went to Ukraine to fight for Ukraine. Listening to them talk, it's a far more worthy cause than firebombing Afghanistan and Iraq.


Exactly. This little invasion made the Left seem somewhat competent. Now, the next time the election rolls around, the Left will attack the Right for the fact that many of the right's leading figures were chummy with Putin, while the Left will coast on the fact that Biden provided support for Ukraine.


And? The NATO countries are nowhere near as fucked as Russia, and the populace are still very much invested in seeing Putin fall.


Their core allies are enough; everyone else is irrelevant to this conflict.


"Globohomo" is becoming stronger BECAUSE of Russia. Now they have global support and more reasons to lock up right-wingers.

Next time they decide to throw right-wing idiots like you into the can, they'll just say that you're a Russia supporter, and that will be enough for the cops.

China, India, and Central Asia sanctioning Russia would bring it to its knees. They aren’t irrelevant.

If you would take a glance at the polling for left wing parties in the west it’s pretty shit right now, you’re just asserting stuff without any basis in reality. Most people aren’t hysterical shitlibs and care far more about the fact that their quality of life is eroding than they do about a war on the other side of the planet.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

China, India, and Central Asia sanctioning Russia would bring it to its knees. They aren’t irrelevant.

If you would take a glance at the polling for left wing parties in the west it’s pretty shit right now, you’re just asserting stuff without any basis in reality. Most people aren’t hysterical shitlibs and care far more about the fact that their quality of life is eroding than they do about a war on the other side of the planet.

China is falling apart by the seams, India is preparing for a war with China, and Central Asia is barely even a matter.

As it stands right now, most people in the West vote for the Left to get free welfare shit. That's why Western Europe is openly leftist. The same left that throws weapons at Ukraine is giving them free shit. It's usually the right that votes against welfare, ensuring that most of the Third Estate will never side with them.

https://kiwifarms.st/threads/nyt-secure-server-leak.74777/

I haven't taken out time to read the relevant PDFs but skimming the thread, other Kiwis have confirmed the documents say that the relevant powers knew about it and stepped back to let it happen.

Care to point me to the relevant post? I don't have all the time in the world. Also, Vietnam happened because the Communist North threatened to overtake the non-Communist South, and we intervened.

Are these soldiers actually deployed by the U.S. military or are they acting as mercenaries?

Mercs. Hence why I said that we should let Ukraine hire more western mercs. Give them money to hire western merc bands, and pay experienced military volunteers to join said merc bands.

Hey, if it worked for the Wagner Group, it should work for us, too.

 

[Vince McMahon]

China, India, and Central Asia sanctioning Russia would bring it to its knees.

China doesn't intend to pay Russia a fair market price, India receives Russian oil at a huge decrease in price and Central Asia is irrelevant.

Most people aren’t hysterical shitlibs and care far more about the fact that their quality of life is eroding than they do about a war on the other side of the planet.

They care about kulturkampf even less. Most people do not understand your obsession with branding everything as "globohomo", just like they don't understand the tranny story hour. Except left promises social policies to uplift the poor, what you derisively call "gibs".

What does the Right offer?

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

China doesn't intend to pay Russia a fair market price, India receives Russian oil at a huge decrease in price and Central Asia is irrelevant.

So basically, they're parasites that are causing Russia even more grief.

They care about kulturkampf even less. Most people do not understand your obsession with branding everything as "globohomo", just like they don't understand the tranny story hour. Except left promises social policies to uplift the poor, what you derisively call "gibs".

What does the Right offer?

The Right offers nothing but whining about tradition, which at this point, isn't even good enough to attract votes. At least the Left is willing to give the average prole some bread and circuses.