The Abortion Debate Containment Thread - Put abortion sperging here.

[NoTimeToLose]

Yes, condoms suck and take a lot of the life out of sex.

Dude, it ain't that bad. The trade off is worth if you are not planning to conceive. Plus... almost no risk of HPV and other shitty STDs. Are you for fucking real?

This has to be the most infantile reason to not use Condoms.
Do you exercise self-control in something in your life?

 

[Gravityqueen4life]

Why didn't they take other precautions?

guess they were too horny at the moment to think of that.

 

[Osmosis Jones]

guess they were too horny at the moment to think of that.

This is the crux of so much of the issue. Sexual liberation has gone way too far to one side and there's a perpetual belief that pregnancy is a rare miracle as long as you use contraception. You should use your instincts and common sense to tell you that sex will unequivocally make a baby.

Sorry, not YOU you, just generally.

 

[Michael Pemulis]

Dude, it ain't that bad. The trade off is worth if you are not planning to conceive. Plus... almost no risk of HPV and other shitty STDs. Are you for fucking real?

This has to be the most infantile reason to not use Condoms.
Do you exercise self-control in something in your life?

I made it pretty clear that it was within a certain situation, thought you'd understand the implication that I meant "with a committed girlfriend who is on birth control". At that point you shouldn't be concerned about STDs, and it won't be nearly as big of a deal if you end up having the child as it would with some random bar slut.

Life is all about trade-offs, we make them every day. For me, having satisfying sex is worth accepting some level of risk. You going to have risk anyway, may as well choose your own from time to time.

 

[Agent Abe Caprine]

In keep hearing about Joe Rogan fighting some guy named Wade in the Supreme Court.
What is up with that?

He's fighting Wade on top of the building. Both will be going balls out. Tickets are 69 dollars.

 

[CAPTAIN HAPPY]

He's fighting Wade on top of the building. Both will be going balls out. Tickets are 69 dollars.

Winner either saves humanity or destroys it.

 

[Hotter Shoeonhead.]

???

Anti-lifers are the ones who constantly bring up rape and fetal abnormalities.

Once again conservatives should stop passing taliban type laws banning abortions even for rape babies.

Late term abortions are even rarer and usually reserved only for serious medical issues like threat to mother’s life and fetal abnormalities There are only five or so doctors who actively perform late term-abortions in the USA.

My point is that despite this you people can’t stop tardraging over late terms
abortions.

 

[gang weeder]

Once again conservatives should stop passing taliban type laws banning abortions even for rape babies.

Late term abortions are even rarer and usually reserved only for serious medical issues like threat to mother’s life and fetal abnormalities There are only five or so doctors who actively perform late term-abortions in the USA.

My point is that despite this you people can’t stop tardraging over late terms
abortions.

I don't think I've brought up late-term abortions once in this thread. Any mention of rape has been because anti-lifers robotically repeat "what about rape?" over and over and over, as if saying it enough times will somehow change the answer.

 

[Muh Vagina]

Jesus Christ you actual fucking psycho, that tard kid shouldn’t have died

That kid should have never been born in the first place. But you would rather see kids like that suffer because pro-lifers only have empathy for embryos.

 

[Kiwi & Cow]

i remember my mate and his now wife decided to have an abortion because they were not ready economically to support a child and were still to busy with work.

TBFH they should have practised abstinence. We've evolved past the animals who react and function on sexual impulses.

Yes, a *secondary* form of birth control. It's not being used because they're too lazy to use normal birth control, it's a failsafe.

What annoys me the most tho is that an abortion still costs money to undergo with no revenue out of it whatsoever and the possibility that something goes wrong during the process. Atleast if a baby is carried to term and then given to a foster family there's still the hypothetical that the baby will grow up to do a job like scientist or mathematician and even if he ends being a wage slave at a McDonalds, he's still making money for the economy.

Like I always say, abortions should be reserved for genetic diseases or if it threatens the woman's life. Any other reason is not a valid reason and although I can still sympathise with rape victims, I think they should put up the baby for adoption.


(Also the moralfagging from white Ethno-Nationalist Fundamentalists in this thread really makes my head ache.)

 

[Shidoen]

That kid should have never been born in the first place. But you would rather see kids like that suffer because pro-lifers only have empathy for embryos.

Yeah sorry I don’t have empathy for your sorry ass, must be because some tards just can’t function correctly socially. They need assistance from both parents and people, tards are just people who have less motor skills. So curse you, curse your mama, and curse your father you clump of shit. Rate me those top hats I’m justified in my rant.

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

No they aren't a "substitute", you moron. I just laid out that they are used when normal birth control fails. That's not a substitute, that's a second attempt.

The failure rates they have are individually very low for contraceptives, and pretty much infinitesimally low for simultaneous failure rates (0.2%). Thinking the majority of abortions are used because proper precautions failed is ludicrous.

It becomes more rare when you look at other factors. Miscarriage is not terribly uncommon at like 10%, but the average age of a woman getting an abortion is in her late 20's to begin with, where there's diminished fertility already (78%). That's not factoring in the male's fertility, assuming he's the same age his has dropped a bit too (can't find a statistic).

This is to say, even getting pregnant without contraceptives is far from guaranteed, and staying pregnant isn't either, so what are the odds your condom will break (2%) and the pill will fail (4%), and you'll get pregnant, and stay pregnant?

Practically speaking, I may as well ask how often you'll be hit by lightning. 25% of women will have an abortion, you think they were all hit by this "lightning"? There's like an average of something near a million abortions per year, to put that in perspective.

 

[Michael Pemulis]

so what are the odds your condom will break (2%) and the pill will fail (4%), and you'll get pregnant, and stay pregnant?

What exactly do you mean by these numbers? Per year, per fuck? Either way, they add up.

I know there is enough of a chance of failure for me to be concerned about this as a possibility.

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

What exactly do you mean by these numbers? Per year, per fuck? Either way, they add up.

Pretty sure they were per year, too lazy to check. Unless you're Hugh Hefner I don't think you have to worry about being over their averages.

I know there is enough of a chance of failure for me to be concerned about this as a possibility.

I never denied the possibility, but you originally implied that's the bulk of abortions, which isn't true.

 

[Sanshain]

That kid should have never been born in the first place. But you would rather see kids like that suffer because pro-lifers only have empathy for embryos.

Those kids were born because their mother is an insane attention-whore who saw them as nothing but a method of getting clout on social media, not because she didn't have access to abortion. Get your story straight, man.

 

[Michael Pemulis]

Pretty sure they were per year, too lazy to check. Unless you're Hugh Hefner I don't think you have to worry about being over their averages.

Over 10 years that would be a 40% chance with the pill, that is somewhat substantial (and as I've said, I'm not going to use condoms with a gf on the pill, that's lame).

I am not sure either way on that, that's why I opened this discussion with a question. If you have some statistics showing that most people who get abortions hadn't been using any birth control, I'd like to see them.

 

[Osmosis Jones]

Pretty sure they were per year, too lazy to check. Unless you're Hugh Hefner I don't think you have to worry about being over their averages.

The numbers I have on memory are that 1 in 1000 people who use birth control will have it completely fail and result in a pregnancy (0.1%). The same numbers were given for condoms, and slightly better rates for things like IUDs and Depo shots.

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

Over 10 years that would be a 40% chance with the pill, that is somewhat substantial (and as I've said, I'm not going to use condoms with a gf on the pill, that's lame).

I'm not a math guy but I'm pretty sure that's not how probability works. Also, it doesn't factor in your ages (fertility) or miscarriage.

Regardless, then I hope you also won't approve of abortion if you're not willing to maximize your preventative measures. Most people don't which is exactly why we're having this debate.

If you have some statistics showing that most people who get abortions hadn't been using any birth control, I'd like to see them.

I think that'd be redundant in light of the fact that proper, maximal contraceptive usage has a very low failure rate (again, on top of the fact you're far from guaranteed to become pregnant even without contraceptives).

Even if they did use some form of contraceptive, people don't always use them properly, or elect not to maximize their efforts in avoiding pregnancy. That's like slapping your seatbelt on halfway or not at all; and if you don't use it properly and install an airbag, then it's your fault if someone has to clean you off the road.

I'm not telling you to walk, just drive safely instead of retardedly.

 

[murph]

The only times abortion are really necessary these days is if a baby dies and would be otherwise stillborn, because a corpse baby is dangerous to the mother. Or if it's going to be born a tranny, or a nigger.

 

[Michael Pemulis]

I'm not a math guy but I'm pretty sure that's not how probability works. Also, it doesn't factor in your ages (fertility) or miscarriage.

Regardless, then I hope you also won't approve of abortion if you're not willing to maximize your preventative measures. Most people don't which is exactly why we're having this debate.


I think that'd be redundant in light of the fact that proper, maximal contraceptive usage has a very low failure rate (again, on top of the fact you're far from guaranteed to become pregnant even without contraceptives).

Even if they did use some form of contraceptive, people don't always use them properly, or elect not to maximize their efforts in avoiding pregnancy. That's like slapping your seatbelt on halfway or not at all; and if you don't use it properly and install an airbag, then it's your fault if someone has to clean you off the road.

I'm not telling you to walk, just drive safely instead of retardedly.

Well sorry but I am okay with people getting abortions. As for whether or not I personally would solicit one, I do not know. The fact that men don't have any direct control over the decision is a pretty influential thing in this issue. I think it's basically the correct view for us to be stoically prepared for either outcome.

You should note, by the way, that the "ideal usage" of condoms is pretty unrealistic. You have to preemptively put lube inside of the condom before putting it on, put it on in a very slow and careful way to keep air out of it, and change the condom every 15 minutes even if you haven't 'finished'. It goes without saying that this is quite a hassle when you're in the heat of the moment, but there was even one time where I tried to make a point of doing all that and it broke anyway, so shit happens.