Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

[King Dead]

The movie looks like shit, it sounds like shit, it even smells like shit and its not even an adaptation of the thing its rebooting or even remotely following. Just a shitty parody and pseudo-sequel to Roger Rabbit that's absolutely terrible on all fronts while disgracing everything Richard Williams stood for, yet the moronic consoomer crowd love it to bits because of the plethora of Family Guy-level references rather than because of the actual content. They don't even seem to get that the movie for all its awfulness is ribbing nostalgiafags.

Nostalgia addicts really don't care about quality, all they care about is triggering the right endorphin sequence that will make them think that they're little kids or babies again (most of the responses to the movie I've seen is crap like this "OMG its like I'm 4 years old again! X3"). Its pretty much why Filoni gets a pass for anything no matter how contrived, dull or formulaic it is. They just want to think they're kids again in the 90s or early 2000s regardless if it means willingly eating a spoonful of shit. And the Ugly Sonic jokes ffs.
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Also this movie is an example of something I've been dreading would be coming. The 90s were full of awkward 60s and early 70s nostalgiawank reboots and forced or unfaithful sequels (like the Brady Bunch movie, new Fantasy Island, Green Acres movie, Car 54, Wild Wild West etc), the 2000s was an overload of 70s and early 80s reboot milking (Starsky & Hutch, Fat Albert, Alvin, Knight Rider, Dukes of Hazzard, etc), 2010s were mostly 80s and early 90s (with some 70s) milking, now the 2020s are looking to be nothing but endless 90s and early 2000s milking and reboots. Holy fuck next up is the plethora of new Shrek sequels and Thrawn milking.

It's been said that pop culture is on a thirty-year time loop (decent article when it doesn't go full Orange Man Bad, and also climate change for some reason), where it takes about thirty years for people who were fans of something at a particular time to get into a position where they can then create their own works based on their nostalgia. Thus, the 2020s are going to be primarily focused on 90s reboots, much like the 2010s were where we had 80s nostalgia overload. This isn't an exact science or anything, which is why we saw some 90s remakes in the 10s, or things like the Transformers movies beginning in the mid-aughties, but it's a general pattern.

I think it's something that we notice more and more due to the nature of the studios today, constantly taking the safest bets and never trying anything new. It could be a function of there being less media out there in the past, but it seems a lot of older creators would produce media based on things they were nostalgic for without flat-out remaking them. George Lucas initially wanted to do a Flash Gordon movie because he had been inspired by those old serials when he was younger, but when he couldn't get the rights, he worked to develop his own take on similar ideas, and that's how we got Star Wars. Modern studios care solely about having a recognizable brand to market to consoomers, and they'll throw any hack director at the project to get asses in theaters or devices to stream.

I worry about what these trends mean for the future of pop culture. What is there to be inspired by with these soulless corporate cash grabs? Older, quality works still exist, of course, but what kid is going to go look for them, especially if they're not on streaming services (do kids even know what DVDs are anymore)? And even if they do, what hope do they have of getting an ambitious new idea out there when studios won't give them the time of day without a brand to sell to the masses? Will we just be in a continued slide down of ever-degrading reference-bait and nostalgia wanking, drowning in a sea of memberberries?

Sorry to be a downer, I just think about this stuff sometimes.

 

[Sneed F91]

Dave Filoni

 

[Sneeds_Sniggerly]

been awhile since this video made an appearance:

What special edition is this from?

I hate controlled op Alex Jones, but it's fucking insane he gets the plot of the movies better than so many "film critics". It almost makes me wonder if acting like the overall plot makes no sense is a psyop so people don't figure this is how things really work lol.

Just found a new video interviewing Hayden, Ewan, and the strong female from Kenobi

This basically confirms the "rumors". If the show is suppose to be about Obi, why have this nobody Black be in so many interviews? I hope we see Vader kill her. It will be funny lol.

Seeing Hayden all over the place for this show makes me wonder how much he's gonna be in this shit. I know he's gonna be in the Vader suit, but James Earl Jones is his voice, and we all know what he sounds like now

Sad how he sounds now. I rather they do what many of the video games have done and just hire someone that sounds a lot like him. But knowing Disney when he dies they'll use a computer for his voice. I hate (((Hollywood)))

I also found a interesting interview with Hayden talking about the making of AOTC for the 20th anniversary here. Apparently he played Anakin as "whinny" as he did in AOTC because George told him to.

I mean, no shit? I get people finding it odd or funny, but he IS playing a guy that was a child slave, taken from his mother at a young age, the first Jedi he met that was going to train him was killed, raised to never use his emotions, and is conflicted with love then traumatized by the fate of his mom. It's not a secret George is not the best at directing actors, he's said so himself, but people acting like Anakin's character makes no sense are retarded.

 

[Adamska]

Intentional bad delivery by design from the director IMO is more insulting than just if Hayden screwed up the delivery. Intentional shit is still shit, only more frustrating.

 

[HeyYou]

Intentional bad delivery by design from the director IMO is more insulting than just if Hayden screwed up the delivery. Intentional shit is still shit, only more frustrating.

I don't think it's intentional "bad" delivery, it's that George fully intended Anakin to sound stilted and constrained by Jedi training that's barely holding back his anger. It's just that type of acting is very, very difficult to pull off and he was not the director for it.

 

[Sneeds_Sniggerly]

Do I even need to say more?!

It is funny that they made this video and others like it, but liked the last Spider-Man movie which is all about "remember this old Spider-Man meme?"

I'm not the least bit shocked. I have to wonder who they'll replace the tardquisitor with for the next season though (since you know they're going to milk this). And you can bet your ass that no matter how bad this is, idiots will lap it up solely for the OT and Filoni Wars nostalgia berries and the pointless prequel throwback on Mustafar... again. That and power level obsessed retards like those on the vs wiki who want to see Darth Vader go full Goku to satisfy their battle fetish.

I just think it's funny that Vader kills her. I hope we see it and it's kind of cool. It's like them accidently getting rid of their own bullshit lol. It just seems like the show is the biggest waste of time. I wonder if the plot was different when they first started working on it. I'm so sick of Filoni now. He's done more harm than good with all these fucking shows.

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Why does Disney put the oddest Blacks in Star Wars? Like the "dey herre" Black in The Last Jedi lol.

 

[Sneed F91]

I never realized how many ANH chads there were in this thread. Everyone says Empire is the best, but ANH just does it for me in a way that none of the other films do. That, and it's completely standalone which I appreciate.

I don't think it's intentional "bad" delivery, it's that George fully intended Anakin to sound stilted and constrained by Jedi training that's barely holding back his anger. It's just that type of acting is very, very difficult to pull off and he was not the director for it.

But the problem comes when everyone sounds like Anakin. Anakin is supposed to be portrayed a certain way and I guess the Jedi are supposed to be emotionally reserved too. I'm not saying every character needs to be Han Solo like some morons (JJ Abrams) fans but I guess they wanted them to have more "humanity" to their performances if that makes sense. George directed ANH and everyone in that movie sounded normal for the most part, but then the PT is completely different.

It's been said that pop culture is on a thirty-year time loop (decent article when it doesn't go full Orange Man Bad, and also climate change for some reason), where it takes about thirty years for people who were fans of something at a particular time to get into a position where they can then create their own works based on their nostalgia. Thus, the 2020s are going to be primarily focused on 90s reboots, much like the 2010s were where we had 80s nostalgia overload. This isn't an exact science or anything, which is why we saw some 90s remakes in the 10s, or things like the Transformers movies beginning in the mid-aughties, but it's a general pattern.

I think it's something that we notice more and more due to the nature of the studios today, constantly taking the safest bets and never trying anything new. It could be a function of there being less media out there in the past, but it seems a lot of older creators would produce media based on things they were nostalgic for without flat-out remaking them. George Lucas initially wanted to do a Flash Gordon movie because he had been inspired by those old serials when he was younger, but when he couldn't get the rights, he worked to develop his own take on similar ideas, and that's how we got Star Wars. Modern studios care solely about having a recognizable brand to market to consoomers, and they'll throw any hack director at the project to get asses in theaters or devices to stream.

I worry about what these trends mean for the future of pop culture. What is there to be inspired by with these soulless corporate cash grabs? Older, quality works still exist, of course, but what kid is going to go look for them, especially if they're not on streaming services (do kids even know what DVDs are anymore)? And even if they do, what hope do they have of getting an ambitious new idea out there when studios won't give them the time of day without a brand to sell to the masses? Will we just be in a continued slide down of ever-degrading reference-bait and nostalgia wanking, drowning in a sea of memberberries?

Sorry to be a downer, I just think about this stuff sometimes.

Personally I'd say it's more like 20 years than 30. In the 70s it was 50s nostalgia (American Graffiti), in the 80s it was the 60s, in the 90s it was the 70s, in the 2000s it was the 80s, but the weird thing is the 80s nostalgia never went away. Now we're moving into 90s and 2000s nostalgia but with 80s nostalgia still being a thing. I think it has something to do with pop culture just splinting off in so many different directions due to the internet and most things just not having any cultural staying power anymore.

I would count the OT as part of the 80s nostalgia wave, which is why The Force Awakens for example was made to pander to Gen Xers the way it was. It's kind of sad how we're still so dependent on IPs from the 20th century for most of our entertainment. Not saying new things that are also good don't get made (I just saw a good original film in theaters last week) but they just kind of come and go now unfortunately.

Also this movie is an example of something I've been dreading would be coming. The 90s were full of awkward 60s and early 70s nostalgiawank reboots and forced or unfaithful sequels (like the Brady Bunch movie, new Fantasy Island, Green Acres movie, Car 54, Wild Wild West etc), the 2000s was an overload of 70s and early 80s reboot milking (Starsky & Hutch, Fat Albert, Alvin, Knight Rider, Dukes of Hazzard, etc), 2010s were mostly 80s and early 90s (with some 70s) milking, now the 2020s are looking to be nothing but endless 90s and early 2000s milking and reboots. Holy fuck next up is the plethora of new Shrek sequels and Thrawn milking.

Holy shit I totally forgot about those movies. They were all over the place back then. People act like Chip and Dale is such a new thing when the only thing new about it is the IPs getting wanked, then compare it to Roger Rabbit as if it's anywhere close to that movie's level. The plot reminds of me of the first live action Scooby Doo. Kind of like people who act as if TLJ is new and original because they can't recognize plot points lifted wholesale from ROTJ. Just another ironic revival of a TV show from the 80s that makes fun of how hokey and dumb the TV show was that everybody will forget about in a few weeks. It is impossible for Hollywood to play these sorts of things straight.

I was watching Rick Worley's video on the Whills and I think I just found the most batshit absurd 'Rey in TFA becoming a Jedi master in a day makes sense' cope I've ever seen. Be warned it's long.

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[Screamer]

I was watching Rick Worley's video on the Whills and I think I just found the most batshit absurd 'Rey in TFA becoming a Jedi master in a day makes sense' cope I've ever seen. Be warned it's long.

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There's something weird with the sequel shills. They can't accept the films didn't follow a plan and were a mess.

People can admit that Leia wasn't Luke's sister until ROTJ was written. Excuse away flaws and changes. Yet the sequel shills have to bend over backwards to pretend the films work and make sense.

 

[Uranus Pink]

The 50ies and 60ies nostalgia still have not gone away and probably won't until the last boomer is dead. Moreso with radio as most "classic rock" stations will only play the same literal handful of songs from the same handful of singers and bands from the 60ies, 70ies and 80ies.

 

[HeyYou]

I was watching Rick Worley's video on the Whills and I think I just found the most batshit absurd 'Rey in TFA becoming a Jedi master in a day makes sense' cope I've ever seen. Be warned it's long.

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This dude's just straight up making up bullshit. Neither Qui-Gon nor Obi-Wan ever say "nope, our reflexes aren't fast enough to race pods, only Anakin has that ability." Obi-Wan was guarding the ship and Qui-Gon lets Anakin race the pod because he built it and offers to do it, and then we learn later that Qui-Gon also plans on betting on Anakin's freedom as well. Then Shmi mentions something about it being Anakin's destiny to do it and that's that.

 

[King Dead]

Personally I'd say it's more like 20 years than 30. In the 70s it was 50s nostalgia (American Graffiti), in the 80s it was the 60s, in the 90s it was the 70s, in the 2000s it was the 80s, but the weird thing is the 80s nostalgia never went away. Now we're moving into 90s and 2000s nostalgia but with 80s nostalgia still being a thing. I think it has something to do with pop culture just splinting off in so many different directions due to the internet and most things just not having any cultural staying power anymore.

I would count the OT as part of the 80s nostalgia wave, which is why The Force Awakens for example was made to pander to Gen Xers the way it was. It's kind of said how we're still so dependent on IPs from the 20th century for most of our entertainment. Not saying new things that are also good don't get made (I just saw a good original film in theaters last week) but they just kind of come and go now unfortunately.

That's why I said it wasn't exact. The article itself lists instances of remakes anywhere from 20 to 40 years apart. The key is that it takes about thirty years for the critical mass of enough creators who all have nostalgia for a particular time period to be able to get together and make things that are inspired by that nostalgia, which is when you then start seeing it pop up everywhere. You started getting some 80s nostalgia in the aughties (like the Transformers movies I mentioned), but it wasn't until the 10s that you started seeing it everywhere, not just in remakes but also in things inspired by the 80s, like vaporwave/synthwave music or 80s-style slasher movies like It Follows. The peak could be said to be Stranger Things, which took all those 80s nostalgia beats and mashed them together into one show set in the 80s.

Similarly, we've already started seeing some 90s nostalgia projects (The Lion King remake was in 2019, for example), but the bulk of that trend probably won't crest until a few years from now. Slowly they'll ebb out as those nostalgic for the aughties begin to work their way in, and we'll see that ramp up over the 30s. And the cycle continues, on and on. There'll be the occasional oddball that bucks the trend (and 80s nostalgia is damn persistent in sticking around), but that's why this is a trend and not a hard rule set in stone.

This could also be why recent Star Wars projects haven't hit as well as Disney wanted to. They've missed the boat on the peak of OT nostalgia, which going by the trend would've been during the late aughties/early teens. Conversely, they're far too early for PT nostalgia, which won't really exist in spades for another decade or so. They keep trying to force things out when one group of fans is too old while the other is too young, so while there's some nostalgia there, it isn't as strong as it would be if these projects came out at a different time. I mean, it doesn't hurt that they're also being made by incompetent morons who don't understand it, but that could also be explained by their lack of nostalgia. Without having any passion for Star Wars because neither trilogy came out when they were kids, they don't really care about it beyond the paycheck, and so they also don't care what they do to the series because it has no meaning to them.

I'm just autistic rambling again, so I'll end by saying that culture is complicated, and while trends are fun to analyze, they're never the end-all-be-all.

 

[Hot Dog]

I'm fucking stupid, lazy, and have finally been convinced through reviews to give the Clone Wars TV show a shot. Does anyone have a good guide on hand?

 

[Creep3r]

I'm fucking stupid, lazy, and have finally been convinced through reviews to give the Clone Wars TV show a shot. Does anyone have a good guide on hand?

All you need.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6-yclEOgR4&list=PL6V-0qYZezjGVHxVWT08DWjZad3ms6w_6&index=1

 

[The Decimator]

I got that new LEGO game last week. I don’t know if I just got a bad copy of it, but the game is extremely buggy and unpredictable. Here are just some of the problems I’ve found:

• There are some parts where you need this card to gain access to the next part of the level. If you die while carrying it, the card can sometimes disappear for good.
• The voice clips keep stuttering in the flying levels.
• Sometimes the game freezes during loading screens, requiring you to restart the system.
• While I was doing the second level of The Force Awakens, the game randomly locked up and went back to the system menu. I had to do that level all over again.
• The most annoying thing I’ve had to deal with is that C-3PO and other protocol droids have the ability to disassemble themselves by pressing A. It doesn’t sound so bad, except for the fact that the A button is also the button they use to activate panels. So, when you want 3PO to activate a panel, he breaks apart instead, unless you stand in a certain spot.

 

[Calandrino]

People can admit that Leia wasn't Luke's sister until ROTJ was written.

That was intended from the beginning as a setup for the originally planned episodes 7-12. It was inspired by Arthurian legend, in which King Arthur fathers a son named Mordred with his sister Morgana. After establishing a Jedi "round table" in Space-Camelot, Luke would have fathered an inbred sith lord bastard son by Leia, which would have proven his undoing. However, George Lucas was advised that the world wasn't ready for such a plot. This is heavily foreshadowed in the OT, and my uncle works at Lucasfilm.

 

[Mr. 0]

After establishing a Jedi "round table" in Space-Camelot, Luke would have fathered an inbred sith lord bastard son by Leia, which would have proven his undoing.

No...
Leia would've been the father

 

[Sex Cannon Lupa]

I was watching Rick Worley's video on the Whills and I think I just found the most batshit absurd 'Rey in TFA becoming a Jedi master in a day makes sense' cope I've ever seen. Be warned it's long.

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All that explanation when the novelization or something says she downloaded her Force knowledge from Kylo when he was in her brain. (Should been in that sweet cherry ass but he gay I guess.)

 

[Sneed F91]

I'm fucking stupid, lazy, and have finally been convinced through reviews to give the Clone Wars TV show a shot. Does anyone have a good guide on hand?

Speaking of which, if a show requires multiple guides to explain which episodes to watch and which ones to skip throughout its multiple seasons, is it really a good show?

Collin Cantwell, the man who designed the X-Wing and many other spaceship concepts for Star Wars, passed away at age 90 last weekend.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/colin-cantwell-dead-star-wars-spacecraft-concept-artist-1235152043/

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Colin Cantwell, the concept artist who designed iconic Star Wars spacecraft, including the X-wing Starfighter, TIE fighter and Death Star, died Saturday at his Colorado home, Sierra Dall, his longtime partner, told The Hollywood Reporter. He was 90.

Cantwell’s film credits included special photographic effects for 2001: A Space Odyssey (196, technical dialogue for Close Encounters of the Third Kind (1977) and computer graphics design for WarGames (1983). Yet he was most renowned for his work with George Lucas on Star Wars, designing and constructing the prototypes for the X-wing, TIE fighter, Star Destroyer and the Death Star, among others.
“Leaving behind a powerful legacy, Cantwell blended art, science, and design in ways that impacted not just Star Wars, but the world around him. Thank you, Colin, for sharing your creative spirit with us,” read a Monday tribute to Cantwell on StarWars.com.

Born in San Francisco in 1932, Cantwell was diagnosed with tuberculosis as well as a partial retinal detachment in his youth. The cure, he said during a Reddit “Ask Me Anything” interview in 2016, was to be confined to a dark room with a heavy vest across his chest to prevent coughing fits. “I spent nearly two years of my childhood immobilized in this dark room. Suffice to say, nothing else could slow me down after that!” he said.

Cantwell graduated from UCLA with a degree in animation before being personally invited by Frank Lloyd Wright to attend his School of Architecture.

Before he made his way to Hollywood, Cantwell had already had an extraordinary career, as he detailed on his website bio. During the historic ’60s space race between the U.S. and Russia, he worked at the Jet Propulsion Laboratory and NASA, creating educational programs for the public to better understand the flights.

That work culminated in Cantwell being a resource for the legendary Walter Cronkite during his historic moon landing broadcast in 1969. It was Cantwell who was on the communications line between NASA and the astronauts getting updates that he fed to the newsman, who in return broadcast that information to the world on live TV.

His love of architecture and fascination with space provided the perfect combination for Cantwell to make serious moves in Tinseltown, working on several space projects, his initial credited work being 2001: A Space Odyssey. “I worked closely with Stanley Kubrick and persuaded him not to start the movie with a 20-minute conference table discussion,” he said during his AMA. It was Cantwell who created the dramatic space opening that followed the dawn of man and bone thrown into the air.
It was Cantwell’s work on WarGames — programming the Hewlett Packard monitors to depict the dramatic bomb scenes on NORAD screens as the WOPR (War Operation Plan Response) computer nearly launched nuclear weapons — that led him to programming software that took the actual Hewlett Packard from just a few colors to 5,000.

In addition to his film work, Cantwell wrote two science fiction novels, CoreFires 1 and CoreFires 2.

Cantwell is survived by Dall, his partner of 24 years.

Apparently he was active on Instagram and interacted with the fans there and other places online often up until his final days. I personally had no idea. It's hard to remember that the OT is so old at this point that the people who worked on them and made it what it is are starting to pass away. RIP

 

[Raoul_Duke]

Collin Cantwell, the man who designed the X-Wing and many other spaceship concepts for Star Wars, passed away at age 90 last weekend.
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https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/colin-cantwell-dead-star-wars-spacecraft-concept-artist-1235152043/

Apparently he was active on Instagram and interacted with the fans there and other places online often up until his final days. I personally had no idea. It's hard to remember that the OT is so old at this point that the people who worked on them and made it what it is are starting to pass away. RIP

God. It's sad that their legacy, the work of guys like him, are being wasted by corporates like Disney.

 

[Screamer]

I'm fucking stupid, lazy, and have finally been convinced through reviews to give the Clone Wars TV show a shot. Does anyone have a good guide on hand?

I am slowly watching it. Somewhere in s3. Haven't watched an episode for about 10 months.

While not needed, I chose to do a chronological order because for some stupid reason the early seasons aren't in chronological order.