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Is this like when another neo-nazi does a mass shooting and every pol refugee in A&H starts screeching "GLOW OP"?
Debate Vtuber simps about being pedophiles
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Your "side" could've been something completely mundane like collecting stamps and people would have still been making fun of you discord spergs because of how autistically defensive you all get when someone makes fun of your hobby, fetish and idols. Like if you had just ignored the baitposts, reported them or just gave them a disagree sticker, no one would have even been aware of what you guys were up to, but instead you got insanely mad at anyone who did, including your fellow vtuber fans (which is how this mess got started by them outing you because you were so triggered that you had to make a discord for it), or even got mad when someone was making fun of your favorite e-celeb outside the thread to the point where you had to go running to their defense like a white knighting sperg. And even when the jannies did all they could to tolerate and even support you, you thank them by still finding reasons to get mad at them and running off to a discord safespace to whine about how everyone was mean to you all and that the jannies are evil despite how much they helped and tolerated you. I know our lolcow-in-chief can have a short fuse and be ban-happy now and then, but for all the stuff you guys pulled he's been in the most lenient mood I've ever seen him in and the worst he did was make a few comments in your thread now and then reminding you not to post little shark-kitty girls, but despite this even when others started harping on the vtuber thread even when you all were unhappy with him, he still defended the thread by reminding us that the better users there helped to dox real pedophiles and that kiwifarms users should live in harmony with each other, but I guess that wasn't good enough for the discordfags who weren't happy with the state of the thread.
Null was helping you for kiwi's sake and you still wanted to find reasons to harp on the guy and undo the trust he put in you by forming a discord schism.
What kind of reaction did you expect on kiwifarms, a controversial place that gets its kicks from laughing at weirdos with victimhood complexes who get violently angry? Its less about your hobby being weird (which it is since some of you guys seem to have a weird parasocial fixation with that 4,000 year old shark kid who looks like she's 9) and more about the hilarious reactions of you discordfags who felt victimized because kiwifarmers were acting like kiwifarmers. The creepy loli shit and the adamant defense you have for it was just icing on the cake and made people more eager to troll you discordfags. All you had to do was just ignore the baitposts, the people making comments about your favorite idols outside the thread and not post weird porn, and no one would've cared you existed. Hell just not posting weird loli porn would've been enough since that's what put the spotlight on you discord pedos in the end.
Also if anyone from the vtuber thread is here who doesn't agree with the discord faggotry and loli shit, the best thing you can do is just avoid discord faggotry, avoid baitposts, avoid posting loli crap, and just learn to get along with your fellow vtuber posters and kiwifarmer or just ignore each other if you disagree in order to avoid autistic schisms and drama like this again, and if our lolcow-in-chief says something you don't like just let it fucking go because it will only get worse.
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no it's bc we don't like pedophiles
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You can search the thread and find out for yourself I'm just stating I'm in there about once a day minimum and I've never seen either of the two tards who are making pro-lolicon arguments in that thread as active participants. Maybe they lurk it idk but I don't see them talking.
As for the vtubing thing two of the objectively best/my favorite vtubers are Japanese women who are actually older than me so eh this debate feels irrelevant from my perspective.
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liking vtubers is like dating a prostitute.
You give money to them for artificial affection, however all they have to do is make a pubescent anime voice.
You give money to them for artificial affection, however all they have to do is make a pubescent anime voice.
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See what I mean? and this isnt "fanart" its the official art in the official yt channel
If it wasnt pedobait then it would be a more grownup looking character, or less sexualized and with more minor-oriented content
Come to think of it, are there any vtubers actually geared for kids? like those yt channels for children but with a vtuber character instead of some dude in bright clothes (or a camgirl dressed as elsa...)
I dont look at loli shit let alone CP to know if it looks the same but regular hentai anatomy its bullshit, these niggers cant draw a woman with real proportions even when they try to, its always impossibly-big impossibly-firm natural tits, wombs that look like a baloon, like did they never get sex-ed at school?
Then again these are the retards that believe jizzing in a bitch makes her cum, thats not how reality works, women cant even tell if you cum inside which is how many kids were born
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I have never watched a vtuber stream.
The closest I got was watching a compilation where they say nigga a lot. I'm nothing but a fraud.
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Evidently the people who are actually in the vtuber thread know better than to indulge in internet slapfights.
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The way this thread has spiraled out of control so quickly is a testament to the pedophilic Vtuber-fan’s boundless autism. These people are so blinded by their lust for children and are so terminally online that their reality is warped by their fetishes. They really don’t get why people have an issue with a depiction of a 10 year old girl talking about sucking a subscriber’s dick.
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Annoying Orange
Also I think Ryansworld has some vtube type-thing going on?
Also, I was willing to give vtube fags the benefit of the doubt in that they just have shit taste in entertainment, but the faggots here literally defending loli makes me not want to.
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It's a variation of a comment left by Reddit user Unidan, who was an environmental /animal facts niche reddit e-celeb (read: insufferable faggot) who got outed for vote manipulation after sperging out about animal classifications.
Re: the core of the thread. There is nobody who watches vtubers and masturbates to Loli that is a sexually healthy individual. Whether they're "traditional" pedophiles or people on a downward degenerate cycle memed into it, it isn't normal or a good thing. I hesitate to paint them all as pedophiles as I believe that's the most serious label that can be attached to someone and they're worthy of being killed on sight, but we have to acknowledge large segments of that audience are attracted to children.
Anyone arguing otherwise is embarrassing themselves and being part of the reason some people sperg out regarding anything to do with Japanese animation. Can these people not even be honest with themselves? If they really had the ideals and beliefs they claim, it would be reflected in their choice of entertainment and the market's choice of offerings. Where are the big titty streamers voiced by these same women, and why are they not popular?
Come on. It's all so tiresome. Why can't young people nowadays watch a Japanese cartoon every now and then while being productive members of society? I blame these "communities". Degeneracy is infectious and the downward spiral rapid.
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I'm fully aware the purpose of faggots like you is to deliberately argue in favor of the most profane and destructive things in the name of free speech in order to turn people against it.
I dunno which glowkike agency is paying you fuckers to keep this up but people like you and your employers have done more damage to free speech than any public institution has in the past 20 years.
Defending pedophiles has never in the history of free speech done a single thing in service of it. The people who want free speech destroyed have absolutely no problem with pedophilia whatsoever. Infact they want to see it legalized. This pattern repeats itself endlessly. You see political positions and actual critical thought censored because its "hate speech", yet the pedos and their apologists always remain untouched. Like everything else pedos attach themselves too, its a legitimate issue they're trying to piggyback off of to increase their own power. They don't give a single fuck about the free speech rights of their critics or their victims, and they certainly don't mind being used as a tool to destroy the rights of others so long as their remain intact.
These people are not being oppressed. Infact they are freer than ever to express their point of view. The entire internet has bent over backwards to cater them. Discord is a platform that is openly sympathetic to the trade of actual child pornography and has been deliberately designed to facilitate it. Open pedophiles are beyond criticism on major media platforms, especially Twitter. Their continued existence is a flat reminder that the acceptance of pedophilia and its sympathizers is actually the exact opposite of free speech. The free speech of the public at large is taken away in order to allow these people to flourish and freely prey upon our society without consequence.
You are not a free speech advocate. You are the exact opposite. You are a fucking shill.
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I find it funny how the argument is always “what about petite women with flat chests??? Hmmm??? You just can’t accept other people’s preferences!!!”
Sure, women with baby-face syndrome obviously shouldn’t be treated like children. And I won’t judge the anime art style in itself because Western cartoons are stylised in a similar way. But my brother in Christ, we all know what athletic/slender/skinny body types look like. A huge chunk of the population is attracted to them. Loli artwork is very, very clearly not supposed to look like that, because there are plenty more differences between grown women and little girls than just chest size. Plus this argument COMPLETELY falls flat once it’s applied to shotacon. Unless you think that short/skinny men are totes identical to tiny young boys, I guess.
Sure, women with baby-face syndrome obviously shouldn’t be treated like children. And I won’t judge the anime art style in itself because Western cartoons are stylised in a similar way. But my brother in Christ, we all know what athletic/slender/skinny body types look like. A huge chunk of the population is attracted to them. Loli artwork is very, very clearly not supposed to look like that, because there are plenty more differences between grown women and little girls than just chest size. Plus this argument COMPLETELY falls flat once it’s applied to shotacon. Unless you think that short/skinny men are totes identical to tiny young boys, I guess.
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>Japanese citizens
>having anything related to sex
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With Allah as my witness anyone with an anime avatar is literally a pedophile and must be made to walk to the gallows for their crimes. We must declare Sharia law on kiwi and purge anyone who commits the ultimate sin of liking cartoon girls. However, as the good book the Quran says, it's fine to have sex with actual minors, so be sure that they are cartoon females which is haram, and not real children which is of course fine.
Look, I know that you armchair warriors want to feel like you're doing something about the rampant pedophillia on the internet, but coming for our anime pfp's isn't ACTUALLY doing anything. I know it's hard to actually find real things to actually do so you've set your sights to the lowest hanging fruit, but let's be real for just a moment here. To the normies, being a kiwi is an equivalent sin to being a nazi, so you arn't going to win any good boy points for virtue signaling in their eyes by rallying against anime.
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Look, I'm going to say this in simple terms so that the people on the slow bus can understand too. Frankly you made your choices when you decided you were going to be a regular on Kiwifarms. To the internet at large we are all considered literal rapist pedophile nazis. If you look around you, you will find vtuber simps, conspiracy nuts, people only here to see leaked retard nudes to fap to, actual edgy 12 year olds, and unsavory of all types. If you are looking out to your neighbors and wondering 'why am I surrounded by weirdos?' You have no self-awareness, because it's not them who are in the wrong place.
Are vtube simps cringe? Yeah they are cringe, but you're a fucking kiwifarm user. You're cringe, and all of us are in the same boat. When we are all judged on the basis of being here, they won't be saying "All kiwifarms users are Nazi's but not the ones who hate vtubers, they are cool I guess."
Look, I know that you armchair warriors want to feel like you're doing something about the rampant pedophillia on the internet, but coming for our anime pfp's isn't ACTUALLY doing anything. I know it's hard to actually find real things to actually do so you've set your sights to the lowest hanging fruit, but let's be real for just a moment here. To the normies, being a kiwi is an equivalent sin to being a nazi, so you arn't going to win any good boy points for virtue signaling in their eyes by rallying against anime.
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Look, I'm going to say this in simple terms so that the people on the slow bus can understand too. Frankly you made your choices when you decided you were going to be a regular on Kiwifarms. To the internet at large we are all considered literal rapist pedophile nazis. If you look around you, you will find vtuber simps, conspiracy nuts, people only here to see leaked retard nudes to fap to, actual edgy 12 year olds, and unsavory of all types. If you are looking out to your neighbors and wondering 'why am I surrounded by weirdos?' You have no self-awareness, because it's not them who are in the wrong place.
Are vtube simps cringe? Yeah they are cringe, but you're a fucking kiwifarm user. You're cringe, and all of us are in the same boat. When we are all judged on the basis of being here, they won't be saying "All kiwifarms users are Nazi's but not the ones who hate vtubers, they are cool I guess."
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I agree with you but I also want to hit you with a blunt object.
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Putting me out of my misery is the morally correct thing to do.
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Because this has been screaming at the back of my mind for quite some time and after doom-scrolling through two threads, I have finally come to the decision of bringing actual discussion and actual debate concerning this debacle.
But first of all, I have to defend myself and bring context unto this cherry-picked "filth".
You have magnificently cherry-picked one of my posts to throw dirt on me. Nice one. Unfortunately, you did not look further into the context of why I made that post in the first place. So let me show you where that discussion originated and the posts that followed:
I was criticizing Twitter faggotry, a phenomenon called the Anti-Loli/Shota Crusade. Those folks vehemently attack people who are, you guessed it, alleged "pedophiles". They go after artists, Vtubers, and lolicon/shotacon creeps because they are harming children and are committing thoughtcrimes. The end result is that usually these crusaders are outed as hypocrites themselves at best and actual groomers and pedophiles at worst.
I despise pedophiles just as much as the next guy. If yer a lolicon/shotacon, I won't give a flying fuck as long as you keep it to yourself, stay away from kids, and don't diddle children.
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I was criticizing Twitter faggotry, a phenomenon called the Anti-Loli/Shota Crusade. Those folks vehemently attack people who are, you guessed it, alleged "pedophiles". They go after artists, Vtubers, and lolicon/shotacon creeps because they are harming children and are committing thoughtcrimes. The end result is that usually these crusaders are outed as hypocrites themselves at best and actual groomers and pedophiles at worst.
I despise pedophiles just as much as the next guy. If yer a lolicon/shotacon, I won't give a flying fuck as long as you keep it to yourself, stay away from kids, and don't diddle children.
Moving on, I'll be answering the question of whether or not Vtuber simps are actually pedophiles.
First of all, we have to know what a pedophile actually is. But I don't think parroting the same ol thing we already know is gonna help this discussion so I'll assume you already get the gist of it.
Pedophiles do not get off of stylized illustrations of lolicon/shotacon bait. Pedophiles do not get off of UwU anime shark girl because she sounds and acts like a fucking child. No. Pedophiles get off of the real thing. Absolute lolicon/shotacon degenerates will only get off of loli/shota Vtuber bait. Pedophiles don't. Because they want to experience, see, feel, and know what it feels like to exploit, manipulate, and destroy a real, actual child. They won't care about the person behind the loli/shota bait Vtuber avatar. Let alone care about the avatar itself. If the person behind the avatar is an actual minor/child, they might care. But I've never heard of such cases being documented since the existence of the Vtuber thread. Sure there might be some underaged Vtubers out there. But who in their right mind would deliberately pander to coomers and lolicons/shotacons especially if they are not of age yet?
This case is not representative of all Vtubers out there. The same goes for this one which I documented myself.
(https://kiwifarms.net/threads/virtual-youtubers.69525/page-4070#post-11167183)
Otohime Saki AKA Ivan Parero is a sex pest who managed to groom a minor in a Discord server while posing behind a Vtuber avatar. Even way before this degenerate scumbag took the Vtuber path, he was already known for sexually harassing and assaulting teenagers and adults in the cosplaying scene. Notice how his victims are real people. He didn't go after loli bait as far as I know. He actually went after teenage girls and adult women. I don't know what has become of this lowlife. But I hope he's been brought to justice already. Or lynched in the streets with a healthy dose of stabbings.
With that out of the way. It is time to answer this question. Do we deserve to be lined up against a wall and become subjected to indiscriminate machinegun fire?
The answer is a resounding yes.
You can accuse us of being degenerates. But you cannot blatantly accuse us of being pedophiles just because the Vtubing sphere is anime-adjacent.
Pedophiles do not get off of stylized illustrations of lolicon/shotacon bait. Pedophiles do not get off of UwU anime shark girl because she sounds and acts like a fucking child. No. Pedophiles get off of the real thing. Absolute lolicon/shotacon degenerates will only get off of loli/shota Vtuber bait. Pedophiles don't. Because they want to experience, see, feel, and know what it feels like to exploit, manipulate, and destroy a real, actual child. They won't care about the person behind the loli/shota bait Vtuber avatar. Let alone care about the avatar itself. If the person behind the avatar is an actual minor/child, they might care. But I've never heard of such cases being documented since the existence of the Vtuber thread. Sure there might be some underaged Vtubers out there. But who in their right mind would deliberately pander to coomers and lolicons/shotacons especially if they are not of age yet?
Only a lolcow-tier retard would do shit like this. This is only one case. I don't know if there's many more out there. But if there were many more, the Vtuber thread would've already been filled to the brim with posts documenting pedophile Vtubers until it would be incinerated by Null himself. Thank God this is the only case so far. Retards like them are easily stomped on and kicked out by Vtuber fans and other Vtubers as well because that would attract a massive amount of ire and will definitely kill off the Vtubing sphere.
This case is not representative of all Vtubers out there. The same goes for this one which I documented myself.
(https://kiwifarms.net/threads/virtual-youtubers.69525/page-4070#post-11167183)
Otohime Saki AKA Ivan Parero is a sex pest who managed to groom a minor in a Discord server while posing behind a Vtuber avatar. Even way before this degenerate scumbag took the Vtuber path, he was already known for sexually harassing and assaulting teenagers and adults in the cosplaying scene. Notice how his victims are real people. He didn't go after loli bait as far as I know. He actually went after teenage girls and adult women. I don't know what has become of this lowlife. But I hope he's been brought to justice already. Or lynched in the streets with a healthy dose of stabbings.
With that out of the way. It is time to answer this question. Do we deserve to be lined up against a wall and become subjected to indiscriminate machinegun fire?
The answer is a resounding yes.
You can accuse us of being degenerates. But you cannot blatantly accuse us of being pedophiles just because the Vtubing sphere is anime-adjacent.
After all that jazz, I'll move on to criticizing this thread and why it should've been more than just circle-jerking.
Oh well. Here we are. It would've been funnier if all this was just an elaborate shitpost. Imagine my shock when I found out that this became a circle-jerking thread instead of consisting sensible discussion and sensible debate. I never thought that I'd see Twitter faggotry here of all places. This is an absolute embarrassment and disrespect to the true spirit of sensible and rational discussion and debate.
There's no debate when your convictions are already set in stone. There's no convincing a stubborn ox to move over to the next pasture. Yes of course you are entitled to your own opinions and sentiments. But in a proper debate, you must hear out the other side and offer discussion and actual rebuttals instead of spewing out the same ol song and dance from the two threads I doom-scrolled through.
There is no defense to be made when the premise is already loaded and heavily falls in your favor. Lolicon/shotacon is already hard to defend. Let alone pedophilia. WHICH SHOULD NOT BE DEFENDED. I'll say again that I don't care if you whack it off to some lolicon/shotacon doujinshi as long as you DO NOT DIDDLE ACTUAL CHILDREN. I understand why Null doesn't want loliposting in his forum because it has led to the eventual degradation and downfall of 8chan and 9chan. Null is justified with his reasons which should not have been contested by some people in the Vtuber thread in the first place. But to use his experiences, opinions, and sentiments as a justification to instigate internet slapfights and circle-jerking is downright spineless. Our faggotry alone should not be the sole reason why this thread exists.
There's no debate when your convictions are already set in stone. There's no convincing a stubborn ox to move over to the next pasture. Yes of course you are entitled to your own opinions and sentiments. But in a proper debate, you must hear out the other side and offer discussion and actual rebuttals instead of spewing out the same ol song and dance from the two threads I doom-scrolled through.
There is no defense to be made when the premise is already loaded and heavily falls in your favor. Lolicon/shotacon is already hard to defend. Let alone pedophilia. WHICH SHOULD NOT BE DEFENDED. I'll say again that I don't care if you whack it off to some lolicon/shotacon doujinshi as long as you DO NOT DIDDLE ACTUAL CHILDREN. I understand why Null doesn't want loliposting in his forum because it has led to the eventual degradation and downfall of 8chan and 9chan. Null is justified with his reasons which should not have been contested by some people in the Vtuber thread in the first place. But to use his experiences, opinions, and sentiments as a justification to instigate internet slapfights and circle-jerking is downright spineless. Our faggotry alone should not be the sole reason why this thread exists.
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Yeah yeah I get it. Maybe it would've been better if I didn't respond at all. But it didn't sit in well with me so here it is. I give mad props to @Big Scumfuck and especially @Saffronette who not only had to endure the brunt of neg-ratings but also ad hominem just because she made valid points. Also, you should've upped your OPSEC because some petty idiots are more than happy to use outward appearances and cherry-picked posts as ammunition in a debate.
Please return to English classes OP. And learn how to make an actual debate. And lurk moar newfag because two threads correlating to this question have already been made way before you even made this God-awful dumpster fire of a thread. Read through all of these threads:
(https://kiwifarms.net/threads/should-lolicon-shotacon-be-considered-drawn-child-pornography.36306)
(https://kiwifarms.net/threads/the-twitter-pedo-hunter-loli-crusader-community.64404)
And especially read this post: (https://kiwifarms.net/threads/shoul...child-pornography.36306/page-48#post-12185708)
Please return to English classes OP. And learn how to make an actual debate. And lurk moar newfag because two threads correlating to this question have already been made way before you even made this God-awful dumpster fire of a thread. Read through all of these threads:
(https://kiwifarms.net/threads/should-lolicon-shotacon-be-considered-drawn-child-pornography.36306)
(https://kiwifarms.net/threads/the-twitter-pedo-hunter-loli-crusader-community.64404)
And especially read this post: (https://kiwifarms.net/threads/shoul...child-pornography.36306/page-48#post-12185708)
If you expect retaliation from snide remarks following this post, I will not give you the satisfaction of it.
I will achieve nothing and neither will you.