Off-Topic Losing people to transgenderism support thread - Support group for trans widows and other people who lost loved ones to troonism

[Tovarisz]

I'm going for two potentially, kind of a fucked up situation, one of my friends from school days, real intelligent guy, very into math and IT (duh). Through a mutual I learned he's crossdressing, I thought, god damnit, I knew he's bisexual or claimed to be so no huge surprise but I really set off a red flag that he might get on "The Path".

Had a talk with our mutual, I no shit showed the mutual the SRS thread and we decided that should he ever even consider transitioning we'd need to beat that retarded idea out of his head.

Plot thickens, he recently got with a girl (real female) who's a psychologist, and guess what she does? She's a therapist for LGBT youth, I know her, we had a heated disagreement over the T shit and trans youth is her specialty, she generally comes off like she's a psychopath.

So yeah, now there's a psycho trans youth therapist who from what little I know about her*, seems to have a fetish for emasculating men, is with an old friend who's pretty vulnerable to this retarded shit (fits the stereotype for a potential troon, likely undiagnosed very high functioning autist of some description).

We've got a countdown going to when he cuts contact with us now. The dude isn't a fucking dumbass, I hope if we show him the SRS thread and the "Results" maybe he can have a moment of clarity.

God I can't wait for this T shit to collapse in on itself, I can see it's starting to but it's not going fast enough.

* - A little goes a long way, let's just say I know through various mutuals the state she leaves (or tries to, she's not that good at it, luckily) her exes in. I swear we'll find a way to get her license fucked.

 

[Baraadmirer]

I hope if we show him the SRS thread and the "Results" maybe he can have a moment of clarity.

Show him the first minute of this video (Warning: absolutely NSFL, do not eat while watching) and there's a pretty good chance he'll back out of it.

 

[Darkholme's Dungeon]

I swear we'll find a way to get her license fucked.

Good luck, considering how the APA and the ADA admins literally jaw dropped one they realized how much money they could make off this shit...

You need to slap some shit into your friend before he goes full retard.
Best you can do unfortunately without breaking laws is to remind him that the transgender club is a few friend circles down.


@Apis mellifera I got my friend to not transition for now. I think your notes helped quite a bit but we did get in a physical confrontation (She got angry and tried to fight me, knowing I can't really fight back cause cops always blame the man, the irony) over it. I guess I'll take that as a win? I seriously debate if I should keep this friend right now. I hate how there's so few sane people these days.
She got angry, tried to wrestle me into the ground (she's got no joint issues weight and muscle density) but failed since I dodged so she reverted to the age-old crotch kick so I just sidestep swept and thew her onto the wall. Pretty sure in a real fight as a "man" she'd be put down at the first try and not with the kid gloves like I did.

 

[Tovarisz]

Good luck, considering how the APA and the ADA admins literally jaw dropped one they realized how much money they could make off this shit...

We're trying to get the exes we know to testify in front of the appropriate board that she used her education to fuck with them which in our jurisdiction can get a psychologist's license pulled, we're not even going to try to touch the troon shit but it's hard to prove and they all know each other.

 

[Apis mellifera]

I got my friend to not transition for now. I think your notes helped quite a bit but we did get in a physical confrontation (She got angry and tried to fight me, knowing I can't really fight back cause cops always blame the man, the irony) over it. I guess I'll take that as a win? I seriously debate if I should keep this friend right now. I hate how there's so few sane people these days.
She got angry, tried to wrestle me into the ground (she's got better joint and muscle density) but failed since I doged so she reverted to the age-old crotch kick so I just sidestep swept and thew her onto the ground. Pretty sure in a real fight as a "man" she'd be put down at the first try and not with the kid gloves like I did.

Lol, fucking hell. I'm glad to hear your friend is holding off on making the same mistake I did. Testosterone made me more impulsive and competitive, and made negative emotions such as anger feel dialled up to "11"; since she's already so quick to jump to her primal instincts, that just sounds like a recipe for disaster.

No ADHD meds in my system, please forgive my rambling on the subject:

Spoiler

You are absolutely right about kid gloves coming off in confrontations when you are perceived as male; I used to be a lot more belligerent when I was perceived as just a regular butch woman, ironically, because my words would rarely, if ever, lead to me getting my ass kicked by the man I was challenging. On testosterone, I had to learn to be far more polite and reasonable, and to manage my anger, because now my challenges were matched and I could be easily beaten in a physical fight. It's funny, in "women's world", physical prowess just doesn't have much of a bearing on socialisation, and I reckon this was just some subconscious instinct activated by elevated testosterone, but when I sort of crossed that fence to the other gender, I was always automatically sizing up everyone I interacted with, to see if I could beat them in a fight. I also found that I felt more comfortable when teams were being lead by people who were physically stronger and fitter than I, and I had experienced strange moments of frustration where I would want to challenge a person giving me orders or instructions, if my lizard brain had determined they were weaker than I was.

It was all very strange, and I expressed as much at the time to a male friend of mine, it's apparently a regular thing experienced by some young men. It was all a very interesting look in how hormones affect psychology and personality.

I'm honestly rather grateful for the tough lessons I learned, hard as the road was and the mistakes that I made, it made me realise that my manners and words really do have consequences and social weight to them, and I still tend stick to my old habits of being reserved with my anger and "fighting words", resolving conflicts diplomatically, and always trying to approach social situations with kindness and respect. It's amusing to me, how roiding up ended turning me into this peaceful person. Oh, if 18 year old me could see me now, with her leather jacket and aggressive anti-authority ideology, she'd probably call me a "fucking pussy". lmao.

I think the world could be a much better place if social circles were more co-ed, so women might be exposed to the, if technically flawed, idea of "might making right", and learn to avoid making unnecessary verbal assaults on their peers. Similarly, I often find men who have co-ed friend groups, or female family members whom they are close to, are more empathetic towards women and avoid sexual harassing them, or falling into incel ideology pits of self-loathing and entitlement. Just as it made me a bit depressed for the state of our society when men in my life would see women as just a pretty body to fuck with an expiration date of 30, and a source for a son, it always made me sad to overhear women who dehumanise the men in their lives as free meal tickets or as being somehow incapable of feeling the full range of human emotion. What a novel idea, who would have thought that platonic socialisation with the opposite sex would lead to being better socially adjusted adults? (sarcasm).

My father always used to tell me, wonderful anti-war hippy he was: "violence is never the answer". It might piss your friend off again to tell her this, but I find it to be an accurate and helpful mantra to keep close to one's heart.

In regards to keeping your friend in your life, it depends on how much patience and energy you have to spare in rehabilitating them. I would not have gotten off of drugs, alcohol, and hormones, and into therapy, were it not for the unconditional support of my friend group. They pushed me to workout everyday, they made me eat right and learn how to properly cook for myself, they taught me how to reprogram my thoughts to not constantly insult and belittle myself, they encouraged me when the withdrawals and cravings were rotting my brain. I really, truly, could not have gotten where I am today without their help, and my gratitude is boundless. They helped me even when I was a wreck, without expectation of reward or thanks, when nobody else would, even doctors, because I hid my mental illness and addiction well and remained a "functional" addict. It was hard to help someone with a lifetime of mind-altering trauma, it was hard for them to help someone with dependencies on body-destroying substances, and they could have given up on me years ago, but despite it all they didn't. I can't ever really repay the favour, that human kindness I experienced first-hand, but I do my best by trying to help people in a rough spot mentally, even if it's tremendously difficult sometimes, even if it's frustrating and slow.

You have no real obligation to stand by a friend who is cruel and unruly, everyone is entitled to moderate their own experiences in life, but if you have the energy and the drive, and you want to help someone, just one friend can change a person's life around.

 

[Sarcastic sockpuppet]

You are absolutely right about kid gloves coming off in confrontations when you are perceived as male; I used to be a lot more belligerent when I was perceived as just a regular butch woman, ironically, because my words would rarely, if ever, lead to me getting my ass kicked by the man I was challenging. On testosterone, I had to learn to be far more polite and reasonable, and to manage my anger, because now my challenges were matched and I could be easily beaten in a physical fight.

I am sorry it sounds like it's very much a "you" kind of problem.

I'm honestly rather grateful for the tough lessons I learned, hard as the road was and the mistakes that I made, it made me realise that my manners and words really do have consequences and social weight to them,

Yeah, definitely a "you" kind of problem if you had to go through transition to learn that lesson.

It's amusing to me, how roiding up ended turning me into this peaceful person. Oh, if 18 year old me could see me now, with her leather jacket and aggressive anti-authority ideology, she'd probably call me a "fucking pussy". lmao.

I think the world could be a much better place if social circles were more co-ed, so women might be exposed to the, if technically flawed, idea of "might making right", and learn to avoid making unnecessary verbal assaults on their peers.

I don't know where you live, tbh, but where I live, it's mostly males who are verbally aggressive seemingly at the drop of a hat, and make threats based of the most slight, innocuous offense.

Women can be jackass, aggressive, retarded, but they are certainly more prone to de-escalading conflict, or less prone to public displays with strangers. Who's yelling insults at each others? Mostly men. Who's fighting in the streets and public transports ? Mostly men. Who's driving recklessly because some other driver did something they didn't like? Who's committing the lion's share of violent crimes? etc
It's a certain fraction of men, but... they have maleness in common.

What is true is that some of those retarded men are always ready to provoke other men in physical fights but less likely to do so when in conflict with women they don't know, so they will drop the tough act if their vaguely androgynous adversary turns out to be a woman. But if said women is a target for them for some reason, they will not be any less vicious (women are targets for thiefs and criminals)

I also think physical prowess seems to be a BIG socialization factor among women. Women who are not athletic being jealous of women who are, women who are athletic experiencing less insecurity in public spaces and maybe also less body insecurity ... Being good at sport makes life growing up easier for women too.

 

[Darkholme's Dungeon]

I am sorry it sounds like it's very much a "you" kind of problem.

It's also because the west has long pushed "WOMEN ARE JUST LIKE MEN BUT BETTER!!!" for a while. Now it is time for the snake to rear it's ugly face.

@Apis mellifera
TBH it's not my first time with this (Distant family member also had the whole "Women are equals tomboy retardation"). I just worry that they drag the police into this (It's always the guy's fault) and I end up getting shot.

I think the world could be a much better place if social circles were more co-ed, so women might be exposed to the, if technically flawed, idea of "might making right", and learn to avoid making unnecessary verbal assaults on their peers.

That doesn't work today. Because a woman screaming her lungs out will get a man drug out and arrested/canceled/etc.
And no, might does make right, it's why the civilians hate the government don't overthrow willy nilly is because the government can easily murder, rape and then hang your family and kids. It is a simple undeniable truth of this world. Only in civilized society do we try to put on this facade that is not the case. Might need not always be physical, if a bunch of women can make rape accusations and get people canceled/suicided, it absolutely is a form of power. It's just not as strong if they mess with the wrong guy who beats the brakes off them (Niggers) or decides to just put several bullets into their brain (Murder suicides).

Edit: My spellings.

 

[kittyfucker]

[please be gentle i have autism]

what in the everloving schizophrenic fuck are you on about?

 

[Florence]

Saw my kid cousin last week and I’ve got to say it’s not looking good. He used to be really outgoing and friendly, but his personality’s done a complete 180 — he was pretty quiet when we were there, but apparently he’s really nasty to his mom and brothers a lot of the time. He’s completely lost interest in his old hobbies as well, and to top it all off he dresses like something from out of the JCPenney hookerwear catalog.

 

[Insert Username Here]

Update on my friend, he's now obsessed with becoming a "cute skinny femboy with dyed blue hair". Good luck with that, the dudes overweight and looks masculine as fuck. Weirdly enough he still has his conservative beliefs and he's in total denial saying shit like "femboy is still better then being trans" but i'm afraid we've already lost him. He also admitted to finding furfag shit hot

 

[Azula]

Women can be jackass, aggressive, retarded, but they are certainly more prone to de-escalading conflict, or less prone to public displays with strangers. Who's yelling insults at each others? Mostly men. Who's fighting in the streets and public transports ? Mostly men. Who's driving recklessly because some other driver did something they didn't like? Who's committing the lion's share of violent crimes? etc
It's a certain fraction of men, but... they have maleness in common.

What is true is that some of those retarded men are always ready to provoke other men in physical fights but less likely to do so when in conflict with women they don't know, so they will drop the tough act if their vaguely androgynous adversary turns out to be a woman. But if said women is a target for them for some reason, they will not be any less vicious (women are targets for thiefs and criminals)

I just think it's funny that kiwis call women "nature's perfection" in that troon pasta but then they go back to bitching about women.

 

[LinkinParkxNaruto[AMV]]

Weirdly enough he still has his conservative beliefs

oh no, he fell down the trad catboy pipeline

 

[The Ugly One]

I just think it's funny that kiwis call women "nature's perfection" in that troon pasta but then they go back to bitching about women.

Nature makes a lot of annoying things perfectly, like mosquitoes, sleet, and Ohio State fans.

 

[Sarcastic sockpuppet]

I just think it's funny that kiwis call women "nature's perfection" in that troon pasta but then they go back to bitching about women.

I didn't write that pasta and never even shared it so I wonder why you attribute such opinion to me.

 

[DiscoRodeo]

I'm going for two potentially, kind of a fucked up situation, one of my friends from school days, real intelligent guy, very into math and IT (duh). Through a mutual I learned he's crossdressing, I thought, god damnit, I knew he's bisexual or claimed to be so no huge surprise but I really set off a red flag that he might get on "The Path".

Not going to get into what makes a "true trans" or false trans;

but pretty much all troons that are the worst examples of this phenomenom, they're transcels. Whenever I hear of an incel to trans pipeline, it just reinforces that notion, again, and again, and again.

I do respect and can tolerate or like trans people, not because theyre trans, but because they are good people who happen to be trans (thats ignoring some of the political blowback that many in the movement have either caused or enabled out of misplaced sympathy and "dieing on hills for trancels".

But when it comes to trancels though, Ive been super biased to be against them by default. Way too many of these sex pests start out as incels, hyper online people, autists, etc and just jump into the trans pipeline for god knows what.

If there is someone who is trans from youth, Im more sympathetic. If there is someone who is trans and wasn't hyper online before, even if it "surfaces" later on in life, I can buy that.

But when it comes to trancels, for the TiMs, never once. Theyre still incels at heart, and it honestly shows in basically every single interaction Ive ever seen with them. They have largely sunk the trans movement, and also ruined quite a lot of online spaces that once used to be pretty fun. If someone's trans story starts out with them "being a red pilled incel, etc" its the biggest red flag for this movement not to take that person's views on sex or sexuality seriously.

 

[Spangled Drongo]

Turns out another person I know (not very well, mind you) is identifying as a troon - I see her around campus a lot and she studies the same course as me, but we don't have any classes together, however I should have seen the warning signs because she has rainbows and the pastel pink/blue/white combo on everything she owns. This is a woman, probably slightly younger than me, who presents totally feminine, wears skirts with leggings, but... for some damn reason goes by "he/him" pronouns. Probably on the spectrum based on the way she acts, and a bit dumpy and awkward looking so one could assume she's gone the pronoun route as a way to be noticed. And the entire damn institution is told to go along with it. I try to be polite, smile, and say hello, but this pronoun shit just isn't something I'm ever going to abide by. That's a woman, nothing masculine about her.

 

[Super-Chevy454]

Show him the first minute of this video (Warning: absolutely NSFL, do not eat while watching) and there's a pretty good chance he'll back out of it.

I think that SJW then I mentioned in the Bogleech/Sckythemantis thread should see that video as well even from what I read on that post, that trans has way past the point of no return from what I saw on that status post. https://archive.ph/OgPFv

 

[teriyakiburns]

My nephew is still wearing skirts. Earrings as well, now. Every time he goes to his grandmother's place, he comes back just a little worse, and because I only see him every few weeks, I see the changes much more clearly. My brother and his wife are in complete denial about what she's doing at this point, either because they don't want to make waves (big gossip nexus in their church, very domineering, etc etc), or because they just can't conceive of it being anything other than "just a phase". Phases don't last for multiple years.

I also found out that a casual online acquaintance, who had claimed to be a lesbian from the day I encountered them, is actually a man. He suddenly started ranting about hormone injections in a chat and then started spamming pictures of his dick. Wish I'd archived it before he DFEd. So that's been my week so far...

 

[Cilleystring]

He also admitted to finding furfag shit hot

Then it's too late. Sorry my friend, but your friend is already gone.

 

[Neo-Nazi Rich Evans]

only person i lost to troonism was an internet friend. he was your typical internet autist, but overall a decent guy. he just eventually got way into the 4chan trap memes and from there started to dress as a trap and very quickly decided he is now trans and started taking HRT. it has been a few years at this point since i last talked to him. once he transitioned he only ever posted or talked about troon stuff and it became quite annoying so we drifted apart and i eventually left off talking to him altogether.

i never did confirm if he was incel, but all signs point to yes, so im going to chalk this up to another case of autistic incel to troon pipeline. he was posting some of those 'if you cant get a gf become the gf' memes.