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President Joe Biden on Tuesday said that the United States will impose sanctions “far beyond” the ones that the United States imposed in 2014 following the annexation of the Crimean peninsula.

“This is the beginning of a Russian invasion of Ukraine,” Biden said in a White House speech, signaling a shift in his administration’s position. “We will continue to escalate sanctions if Russia escalates,” he added.

Russian elites and their family members will also soon face sanctions, Biden said, adding that “Russia will pay an even steeper price” if Moscow decides to push forward into Ukraine. Two Russian banks and Russian sovereign debt will also be sanctioned, he said.

Also in his speech, Biden said he would send more U.S. troops to the Baltic states as a defensive measure to strengthen NATO’s position in the area.

Russia shares a border with Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania.

A day earlier, Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered troops to go into the separatist Donetsk and Lugansk regions in eastern Ukraine after a lengthy speech in which he recognized the two regions’ independence.

Western powers decried the move and began to slap sanctions on certain Russian individuals, while Germany announced it would halt plans to go ahead with the Russia-to-Germany Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

At home, Biden is facing bipartisan pressure to take more extensive actions against Russia following Putin’s decision. However, a recent poll showed that a majority of Americans believe that sending troops to Ukraine is a “bad idea,” and a slim minority believes it’s a good one.

All 27 European Union countries unanimously agreed on an initial list of sanctions targeting Russian authorities, said French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian, and EU foreign affairs head Josep Borell claimed the package “will hurt Russia … a lot.”

Earlier Tuesday, Borell asserted that Russian troops have already entered the Donbas region, which comprises Donetsk and Lugansk, which are under the control of pro-Russia groups since 2014.

And on Tuesday, the Russian Parliament approved a Putin-back plan to use military force outside of Russia’s borders as Putin further said that Russia confirmed it would recognize the expanded borders of Lugansk and Donetsk.

“We recognized the states,” the Russian president said. “That means we recognized all of their fundamental documents, including the constitution, where it is written that their [borders] are the territories at the time the two regions were part of Ukraine.”

Speaking to reporters on Tuesday, Putin said that Ukraine is “not interested in peaceful solutions” and that “every day, they are amassing troops in the Donbas.”

Meanwhile, Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky on Tuesday morning again downplayed the prospect of a Russian invasion and proclaimed: “There will be no war.”

“There will not be an all-out war against Ukraine, and there will not be a broad escalation from Russia. If there is, then we will put Ukraine on a war footing,” he said in a televised address.

The White House began to signal that they would shift their own position on whether it’s the start of an invasion.

“We think this is, yes, the beginning of an invasion, Russia’s latest invasion into Ukraine,” said Jon Finer, the White House deputy national security adviser in public remarks. “An invasion is an invasion and that is what is underway.”

For weeks, Western governments have been claiming Moscow would invade its neighbor after Russia gathered some 150,000 troops along the countries’ borders. They alleged that the Kremlin would attempt to come up with a pretext to attack, while some officials on Monday said Putin’s speech recognizing the two regions was just that.

But Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin told reporters Tuesday that Russia’s “latest invasion” of Ukraine is threatening stability in the region, but he asserted that Putin can “still avoid a full blown, tragic war of choice.”

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Can i told more about it? So you can go offtopic even more instead of simply acknowledging that germany is no threat and no union is needed to prevent their expansion?
No, I'm just curious from what source you are thinking that are in Germany more than 25 milion Turks.

Are Ukrainian troops overunning Russian territory and closing in on Moscow right now?
Yes, after annexation of Donbas and two other regions the war is mainly in territory of Russia.
Yes, a simple google search would have helped you.
And on which pic I can find polls from 1978 about why an average citizen of Austria was against nuclear power?
 
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Not after what happened in 2014. After that, Ukraine realized they had to shape up, or they will lose more land like they lost Crimea. So it's not that surprising they whipped themselves up into shape, while Russia got fat, lazy, and incompetent due to people being easily frightened by their size.
Russia is fat and I would not have sex with it. And to Ukraine's credit they're doing a pretty good job of not getting sucked into one of those fat rolls.
Must be surreal. Being a Russian conscript charging over a battlefield littered with your own dead in various stages of decomp
And people like to say the Russian hordes urrah charging at the Germans is a Western myth...
One thing which is becoming clear is that whatever about Thales tank night vision or aiming systems, boots,, socks, briefs, vests, buttons, no 4 uniform seem to be beyond the capacities of alleged superpower Russia. This was partly an issue in uncle Joe's days but with a touch of Lend-Lease and ripping of Westetn patents and / or designs they overcame those issues, and that was not remotely a concern for Brezchnev. Putin's neo Soviet with a sprinkle of Tsarism empire seems now to have failed tier capabilities. It makes the squeaky lying fag Dave Smith seem even more silly.
Russia's issue is that the West was able to simply out-tech them to the point Russia would have had to steal the tech we used to build the tech, and then somehow steal the educated, trained workforce necessary to operate it. There's no way Russia would be able to produce DU ammo in the quantity the USA has simply because one dumbass machinist later and their entire factory and everything inside succumbs to a heavy metal dust fire.

At this point, I'm just ignoring what Nikocado Pumpkincado and the other dude have to say due to my own sanity.
 
1. Some people in this thread are forgetting that all of Eastern Europe was under Russian occupation during all or part of the time between World War II and the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1989. Putin was part of that occupying force in East Germany doing KGB shit during a chunk of this time. Anyone over 40 who lived in East Germany, Poland, the Czech Republic, Slovakia, Hungary, Romania, and Bulgaria remembers Soviet control over their country and has direct empathy for the people of Ukraine because having Russian tanks roll into your country blows goats.


2. Acting like anyone who is anti-nuclear is a crazy person is pretty disingenuous. There were nasty accidents in 1979, 1986, and 2011. I'm more familiar with nukes in California than I am with nukes anywhere else and let's just say that building them right on a very seismically active coastline is a shitty idea.


The greens were very anti-nuclear all through the 20th century and a lot of them are still anti-nuclear.

I personally think that nukes are the least worst option for generating a shitton of cheap baseload energy, but that means accepting that we're probably going to have meltdowns on a regular basis.
 
I remain neutral when it comes to the Ukraine/Russia war because I can tell both sides are manipulating information to such a degree that it is impossible to determine with exactitude what is going on the battlefield.

You're not sitting on a fence, you're burying your head in the sand and acting like one of the fence posts.

Nobody wins in a war, everybody lose.

That's one of the most bullshit, empty, faux-wise sounding platitudes about the subject of war.

War sucks for all involved. But there absolutely are winners and losers. Particularly in fights for survival.
 
1. Some people in this thread are forgetting that all of Eastern Europe was under Russian occupation during all or part of the time between World War II and the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1989. Putin was part of that occupying force in East Germany doing KGB shit during a chunk of this time. Anyone over 40 who lived in East Germany, Poland, the Czech Republic, Slovakia, Hungary, Romania, and Bulgaria remembers Soviet control over their country and has direct empathy for the people of Ukraine because having Russian tanks roll into your country blows goats.


2. Acting like anyone who is anti-nuclear is a crazy person is pretty disingenuous. There were nasty accidents in 1979, 1986, and 2011. I'm more familiar with nukes in California than I am with nukes anywhere else and let's just say that building them right on a very seismically active coastline is a shitty idea.


The greens were very anti-nuclear all through the 20th century and a lot of them are still anti-nuclear.

I personally think that nukes are the least worst option for generating a shitton of cheap baseload energy, but that means accepting that we're probably going to have meltdowns on a regular basis.
1) Many keyboard warriors today who simp for Russia are young. They don't have memories of Soviet tanks driving through their streets.

2) As for energy, there's always Ethanol. And maybe we can toss more capital at developing and further refining solar power.
 
Anyone over 40 who lived in East Germany, Poland, the Czech Republic, Slovakia, Hungary, Romania, and Bulgaria remembers Soviet control over their country and has direct empathy for the people of Ukraine because having Russian tanks roll into your country blows goats.
I've met a couple Czech guys (talked of how work life was in the 80's) that seemed more disgusted than anything about the Ukrainian refugees in their country and complained about them putting up Ukrainian flags and so on.

Lot of people really do not give a shit about their plight.
 

RFE/RL on Ukrainian troops shelling Russian forces in the Donbas using self propelled artillery. Crews fire, then move to avoid being spotted. One notes that the Russians aren't accurate in their fire but have more shells so it matters less for them. One artillery man says that Russian opted for civilian targets on 10th October (presumably he's also referred to the bridge response).


Turkish channel video in robo-voiced English claiming 25,000 Russians have surrendered recently. Strangely it changed from knitting to these sort of videos.


Estonian soldier Artur Rehi asks whether Belarus might invade, or at least Russian will try invade again from the north with six battalions, Russians leaving Crimea again en-masse, the missile terror strikes, and also discusses progress on different fronts. I think he underestimates UA forces at 500,000. There are around 700,000 both mobilised and professional forces, including National Guard, border troops, Ukrainian Ground Forces, Territorial Defence Forces, Air Assault, Marines and that makes up the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
 
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Afghanistan, let's see the footage of that evacuation too. Wait....how much hardware did the US leave behind again? But you just left right.....after losing.
Whenever Vatniks bring up how the US lost in Afghanistan I laugh because Russia lost there too and they keep failing to acknowledge that for some reason. In fact, the situation in Afghanistan, its constant state of war and the destruction of its society, was directly Russia's fault after exporting Communism there and destroying the tribal system that kept peace in that region for a century.
 
1) Many keyboard warriors today who simp for Russia are young. They don't have memories of Soviet tanks driving through their streets.
Those are the same shit for brains morons that insist East Germany was the better or True Germany. Anyone I spoke to that lived through the DDR has no wish to return to it. Not to mention that for all the shit modern Germany gets for being cucked, their most cucked, liberal and pro rapefugee politicians hailed from East Germany. Granted West Germany had it's scandals but the DDR was a fucking self hating guilt cult.

Whenever Vatniks bring up how the US lost in Afghanistan I laugh because Russia lost there too and they keep failing to acknowledge that for some reason. In fact, the situation in Afghanistan, its constant state of war and the destruction of its society, was directly Russia's fault after exporting Communism there and destroying the tribal system that kept peace in that region for a century.
I really hate how the USSR's final operation in Afghanistan doesn't get brought up as much as it does as they took constant harassment from the Mujahedeen and sustained heavy losses as they withdrew under pressure.


This dialog between the USSR and a CIA glowie seems relevant to the modern situation.
Botshan-Kharchenko: You must understand, Mr. Buurdon, that these attacks against our troops as they withdraw must stop.

Bearden: And if they don't?

Botshan-Kharchenko: Then perhaps we will halt our withdrawal. Then what will you do?

Bearden: It is not what I will do, Counselor; it is what the Afghans will do. And I think they will simply keep on fighting and killing your soldiers until you finally just go home.

Botshan-Kharchenko: But you have some control over such matters.

Bearden: No one has control over such matters, Counselor, except the Soviet Union.

Botshan-Kharchenko: Mr. Buurdon, you must still understand that there will be consequences if these attacks continue.

Bearden: I am sure there will be, Counselor.
 
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Vietnam was a war that never should have been fought. The US should have told the cheese-eating surrender monkeys in Frogance to suck it, backed Ho Chi Minh as the legitimate elected authority, and he'd have never sidled up with the Soviets.
absurd optimism, bordeline delusional
ho chi minh spent like 20 years of his life as a full time communist activist/politician/ideologist, first in france, then in the ussr and china, before returning to vietnam.
he was always 100% going to align the country with communism.
 
absurd optimism, bordeline delusional
ho chi minh spent like 20 years of his life as a full time communist activist/politician/ideologist, first in france, then in the ussr and china, before returning to vietnam.
he was always 100% going to align the country with communism.
He appealed to the US for support against the French starting in 1919, and continued to do so up through Truman. He was known as an admirer of the rhetoric of the American founding documents. If the US hadn't needed to avoid hurting the frogs' pwecious wittle fee-fees over their fading colonial empire, we might well have supported him.
 
Apparently there was some confusion about the announcement months ago regarding the Switchblade 600 loitering munition that was supposed to be sent to Ukraine, Because we knew almost nothing about them other than it had a 25 mile range and a warhead comparable to a javelin when the initial announcement was made most people assumed it was some secret expediated project that flopped as there was no indication of them ever being used successfully.

We now know it was a major project that was in the final testing/fine tuning phase before the war started that is only now finished and being produced, and that production will massively ramp up in the near future. They say its possible to produce 2,000 of them annually as of now and potentially at a rate 3x faster in the coming months. Several nations including France are immediately planning or looking into procuring it.

Ukraine will be the first to field them, they'll supposedly get a batch in a month or so.
 
He appealed to the US for support against the French starting in 1919, and continued to do so up through Truman. He was known as an admirer of the rhetoric of the American founding documents. If the US hadn't needed to avoid hurting the frogs' pwecious wittle fee-fees over their fading colonial empire, we might well have supported him.
Ironically enough, Vietnam is shifting to be more like America than the USSR. The American soldiers who died there are probably spinning in their graves as Vietnamese sweatshop workers spend 9-5 making toys for Yankee children.

Those are the same shit for brains morons that insist East Germany was the better or True Germany. Anyone I spoke to that lived through the DDR has no wish to return to it. Not to mention that for all the shit modern Germany gets for being cucked, their most cucked, liberal and pro rapefugee politicians hailed from East Germany. Granted West Germany had it's scandals but the DDR was a fucking self hating guilt cult.
So basically, part of why Germany is so pozzed and leftist is because they reunified with East Germany and all the East German Commie intelligentsia who were brainwashed by the Russians managed to poison West Germany with all their bullshit.

I really hate how the USSR's final operation in Afghanistan doesn't get brought up as much as it does as they took constant harassment from the Mujahedeen and sustained heavy losses as they withdrew under pressure.

It's mostly due to Russiaboos online downplaying Russia's flaws and exaggerating its strengths, so they can't talk about what a shitshow their foray into Afghanistan was.

When really, the last time Russia projected the image of strength was under the Tsardom, for three reasons:

1) They created a centralized state and bureaucracy that answered to one man, modeled after Imperial Rome, back in the age when empires all over Europe were trying to emulate Roman power or expansionism in their own monarchies or republics. The Tsars made sure that the boyars, the businessmen, and everyone else knew who wore the pants in the relationship. This centralized empire gave the world the illusion that Russia was a strong, powerful empire, since from afar, it looked like something similar to Louis XIV's France, or Philip II's Spain.

2) They cooperated with western powers like the United States, France, and Great Britain. This gave them legitimacy and support from other global empires, which gave them a strong support base outside of Russia. Royal relations with other great houses like the Hanoverian Dynasty in Britain meant that the Russian leadership had familial allies outside of their own nation.

3) There was less corruption and prison bitch culture in the Russian military, and in most cases prior to the 1900s, the Tsars picked their wars carefully. The Ottomans would've fallen to them if it wasn't for the French and British propping them up, and helping the Austrians regain control of Hungary gave them more support from abroad. This meant that the Russian Tsars were able to maintain the illusion that their military was a mighty force, an illusion that would remain until the Russo-Japanese War.

Compare that to Putin's Russia, and it's night and day:

1) The Russian state looks strong and centralized under Putin, but it's keked to hell and back by oligarchs who have taken over the Russian economy. Instead of putting the oligarchs down and bringing in a free-market capitalist system to encourage innovation and competition, Putin married the state to the oligarchs, helping them enforce their monopolies and allowing their corruption to go unabated, ensuring that the Russian economy would remain backwards at a time when economics and technology are becoming more dominant in people's lives.

2) Putin's Russia sees the West as enemies, and cooperates more with tinpot dictatorships like Syria, China, and Iran. This ensures that Russia has little, if any support in the West, and it ensures that outside of Russia, they have little influence or power.

3) The modern Russian military is dominated by corruption and prison bitch culture. If it isn't officers hazing and raping new recruits, it's people in charge of military supplies selling off the military assets they're guarding for money. And of course, Ukraine proves that they don't pick their battles wisely, which means that their weaknesses are laid bare for the entire world to see. This means that you have a weak military staffed by rapists, rape victims, and corrupt officials selling supplies for money. Which explains why a determined foe like Ukraine is deflowering them on the field, and the most they can do to strike back is launch missiles against civilians which changes nothing about the war outside of making everyone hate them more.

It's quite obvious that any legitimate Russian polity died with the Tsar. The Communists, capitalist oligarchs, and KGB spooks who replaced them turned the country into a slave state that bitches and whines at the world to be taken seriously, while their people continue to lag behind the rest of the world in terms of living standards. Granted, the latter also happened under the Tsars, but at least the Tsars had many friends abroad to make up for it. Russian culture, its way of life, its soul, died with the monarchy, and we're just left dealing with a zombie state that trudges on with blind, purposeless hate.
 
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When you say that a currency is "tied to" something else, like a commodity, that means that the value of the currency tracks the value of that commodity (or other currency). You stated that the $USD is tied to oil, which is not true. You appear to be confusing the $ with the petrodollar, which is a settlement system, not the backing for a currency. You dumb zigger.
Zigger has a nice ring to it.
Because they never tried to go for Kiev, it was a feint attack and retreat so the real force could push through in the south and get mariupol.
The 40 mile convoy says otherwise. They were going for a decapitating strike and failed. Their intention was to occupy all of Ukraine in less than a week.
 

RFE/RL on Ukrainian troops shelling Russian forces in the Donbas using self propelled artillery. Crews fire, then move to avoid being spotted. One notes that the Russians aren't accurate in their fire but have more shells so it matters less for them. One artillery man says that Russian opted for civilian targets on 10th October (presumably he's also referred to the bridge response).
The Ukrainian laughing about Russians going out & shooting without hitting a target isn't just talking shit; the funny part is it's a cannon-cocker saying it, and he probably remembers when things were different.

Even without the fancy guided munitions, the improvements in observation & real-time spotting alone have made it so much deadlier, for anything with wheels or tracks. Then add in the nutty CEPs they're getting from guided shit and, well....

Sucks to be Russian lol.
I think he underestimates UA forces at 500,000. There are around 700,000 both mobilised and professional forces, including National Guard, border troops, Ukrainian Ground Forces, Territorial Defence Forces, Air Assault, Marines and that makes up the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
I really wonder about the numbers for volunteers on both sides, but those probably won't be known until well after, if ever. Though no doubt when the reddit brigades come home, the first thing they'll do is start dickfighting about their k/d ratios.

I'm just waiting for all those flash drives & memory cards that'll come back as well; probably no other war has been so minutely recorded.
 
I really hate how the USSR's final operation in Afghanistan doesn't get brought up as much as it does as they took constant harassment from the Mujahedeen and sustained heavy losses as they withdrew under pressure.

Which reminds me... I just unearthed this book again, that I picked up on Sand Hill back in '03. Even outdated as it was then, it made a lot better reading than my handbook or bible.
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And it's far more interesting reading now.
 
Yeah, 2 trillion and 2 decades over a country that, as you said, the US had no real geopolitical interests involved.
Imagine how much blood, time and treasure is gonna be spent on burning Russia to the ground and building it back up? Because the white house hasn't learned its fucking lesson after the middle east. Do I have to bring up the infamous billions sent to gender studies programs in Pakistan? Its a waste of resources trying to westernize the rest of the world but they'll spend it anyway.

Unless of course that gender program wasn't a huge scam designed to funnel taxpayer money into certain pockets. But that would be just as bad really.
"Russia is gonna get not merely defeated and kicked out of Ukraine but razed to the ashes but globohomo is gonna go broke so it's all good"
 
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