Philosophy Tube / Oliver Lennard / Oliver "Olly" Thorn / Abigail Thorn - Breadtube's Patrick Bateman.

[CatharticShitHead]

When I was a kid, my retarded ass wanted to name my future children Sonic and Mario. Kids don't fucking know shit. Olly can take his bullshit and join the other 40%

 

[frap]

The NHS doesn’t have the resources for literal life-saving care at the moment, so Ollie can go fuck himself with his because it makes people happy crap. The NHS doesn’t exist to make people happy, it’s to provide healthcare.

That said, there would be the silver lining of seeing him morph into Keffals or LFJ if he gets what he wants. He’s already got alleged consent accidents and a huge masculine jaw to rival the latter.

 

[Johan Hulth]

Look who popped up on a youtoob ad:


Nigga look like hobgoblin

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[Drunk Chipmunk]

Look who popped up on a youtoob ad:
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It doesn’t give him dysphoria to shill for a company called Pipedrive?

 

[Excited Eraser]

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Whatever "Prima Facie" is, it seems to be more preferred/popular than Olly's play. (RIP non-binary Joan of Arc)

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On the other hand Mary Malone might win best supporting actor, it looks neck-and-neck.

I haven't seen the play, but Jodie Comer is excellent in anything she does.

 

[frap]

Does a YouTuber with a Patreon and a handful of bit parts really need an entertainment industry specialist accountant? This seems more a case of excess money wasted on vanity and narcissism than anything else.


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[CatharticShitHead]

The NHS doesn’t have the resources for literal life-saving care at the moment, so Ollie can go fuck himself with his because it makes people happy crap. The NHS doesn’t exist to make people happy, it’s to provide healthcare.

That's where yuor wrung m8, gender affermin ealth care IS savyn lyves, innit?

If we go by Olly's video logic, every time you don't spend the exorbitant amount of money to troon them out, you're basically killing them. Why are you so evil? Why won't you spend the $70,000 or more?

 

[scathefire]

Thanks @Tombigbee for the cliff notes. I tried watching it for myself but I'm going to be honest, Olly feels more like a horrorcow than a lolcow to me purely for his dogshit beliefs surrounding kids transitioning. I can't stomach more than the initial video. Him being unscripted and having this theatre kid energy makes me click off. Second hand embarrassment is a bitch.

As for what he says, I am now convinced that the video is exactly what I thought it was. That being, excuse for the 4chan levels of autism, basically trans propaganda telling people that

1. Kids need to transition. (soften your hearts? Fuck off you two bit plastic hussy.)
2. Trans people are victims of society. (In a way, kinda? Trans people bully each other so much it's fucking amazing. Recently a woman who tried transitioning during her teenage years made a video showing off how bad it went. She's balding, her voice is fucked and she regrets it so she's going to detransition. Here's that video if you're interested, and afterwards she got fuckin blasted by troons online. So in their own mentally ill society, yeah they're constantly both the villains and the victims)

I think the only stance that Olly has that thoroughly confuses me is that gender dysphoria or at least the medical definition is fake. What the fuck else are we going to call it? I think it is unfair to say that every tranny is just a melodramatic person who decides to just fuck themselves up and turn their body into the opposite sex (visually. There is no such thing as a neo vagina or neo cock. It's just gross). But like I've said, I've talked to some trans people and they seem very reasonable. They talked about how their parents were supportive, how their doctor asked them to think about it, and that they took all their feelings into consideration and decided, "Yeah I want to be this". You know what made them think that? Dysphoria. They didn't feel like a man or a woman, and as soon as they were 18, they went ahead and did it.

But hey if Gender Dysphoria doesn't exist, Oliver then why do so many troons neck themselves? Genuinely I am asking why. If we believe Oliver's bullshit stance that Gender Dysphoria is just something the doctors made up to impede trannies then doesn't that paint a picture that every troon that has deleted their save file prematurely is just a whiny, melodramatic, mentally ill person?

Yeah, I used to find him a mostly harmless inept concentration of pure narcissism and that's why I found it fun to mock him, but I'm really starting to genuinely hate him at this point. Fuck this piece of shit, even as a trans activist he represents the very worst with his obsession with taking away literally every single safety block and regulation that may prevent literal children from ruining their lives. I'm even mad at him from a truscum POV since he just shits all over the deep seated mental anguish that comes with dysphoria in favour of his tee-hee skirt go spinny horseshit. He's really just utterly malignant and representative of the true nature of the trans movement.

Olly, we already have a large number of detransitioners who are dealing with massive health issues and the emotional anguish that comes with having put themselves through major, unnecessary medical procedures at a very young age that has irrevocably damaged their bodies because they were mislead into thinking that there was something truly wrong with their bodies that could be fixed by said procedures. If you keep up this pro-youth transition activist garbage with less oversight than any reasonable medical professional, even those that would be considered hyper woke honestly, would willing sign off on then you are going to be complicit in terrible miscarriages of public health all in the name of your own bastardized concept of self actualization. You'll have a hand in some of the worst medical scandals since lobotomies, thalidomide and the opiate epidemic. I hope you never you succeed in pushing this kind of garbage, and if you do I hope you find it impossible to ignore the real world harm this will bring after a few years.

Jesus I'm actually livid about this, if there's any person who deserves to have the most public and humiliating fall from grace its fucking Philosophy Tube, allow me to indulge his gender identity one time and call him a genuine fucking cunt.

I'd be more mad at him specifically, but these are just the opinions of every average trans activist so I guess I'm thus not more mad at him specifically. He's just clarifying what most twitter troons already want.

I was going to ask if he thinks cis children have "every right to control their bodies" by independently making medical decisions and he answered it for me. He thinks children can consent. The follow up is to ask if he believes doctors should be forced to "treat" children who want a medical procedure for any reason if the parent opposes. Obviously he will point to these two examples he used specifically to blur the distinction between elective cosmetic procedures and necessary emergency procedures and argue, yes, because putting a kid on puberty blockers for years who does not have precocious puberty is equivalent life-saving care (else they'll kill themselves as proven by absolutely nothing) so the doctor's (required by law, no gatekeeping pls) judgement of saving the life overrules the parents judgement as the child's guardian. Now you simply use the law to mandate that trooning out kids is necessarily life saving so no parent can object and no doctor can object without losing their ability to practice and tada...

I kinda fudged this up a bit on the details because I wanted to speak in ways that would both apply in the UK and the US. It's essentially the same plan though, leverage the "consensus" of the medical industry to force the insurer to cover it as life-saving care to take it out of the hands of anyone who can object because you can point to it being classified as life-saving care as proof. Use the doctors to pressure the parents and if the parents still refuse well that's proof they're denying their child necessary medical care and therefore unfit.

I don't know UK history that well so I can't speak to it but this logic might seem familiar to Americans because it's essentially the same for the mandatory taking away of kids and forced sterilization of "unfit" social outcasts during the eugenics period. "Everyone" knew they were "mentally enfeebled" (just look at how uncouth they live and have a bunch of kids despite being poor and uncouth) and the "consensus" had the perfect scientific solution. (Yes, the lobotomy craze was similar too.)

I always say that this very easily ties into pedo shit, i.e. children can consent and should be liberated from their parents. The comparison is too conspicuous to ignore, it literally sounds like the talking points of NAMBLA.

 

[Second-Hand Boat Supplies]

I made it through the whole thing and it's kind of fascinating honestly. The first half is entirely unbearable. I genuinely cannot understand who out there can watch the highschool theater kid level of fake emotion performance combined with the post-production camera shake effect for emphasis and not be just creeped out. Combine that with the indignance at customer service attitude in the context of an unraveling system that people put their trust in to provide the nation's healthcare and it's really rather stomach turning. The claims about all the people who've died without evidence are clearly there to shield from the rightful criticism for insane entitlement.

I will be entirely fair and say that the second half, (after the disconcerting shift to the unmistakable contrapoints shot framing ripoff,) raised interesting points; it would have been a far stronger video if the excruciating Catch-22 skit was trimmed to 5 minutes to set up for the end. I don't necessarily agree with the argument, but it is one worth making a video about. The diagnostic questions were genuinely surprising and it's an interesting, actually philosophical, question to ask to what extent medical professionals should gatekeep procedures even if they are solely a matter of taste.

It also flipped a lightswitch for me and made me realize a critical part of the equation entirely absent from any sort of trans debate. The discussion about doctors or systems being too willing or too unwilling to say someone is trans always examines it as if it is trans identity entirely in isolation is the question. This is true for both sides as trans groups frame it solely as failure to validate identity and the "anti-groomer pretect the children" side always frames it in terms of regret if it turns out they aren't really trans. The huge omission here is that the patient does not present with transgender symptoms, they present with a deep, persistent feeling of distress. The doctor's job is to determine what is causing that and the question should be what the source of that distress is. In having people wait, a proper doctor is ruling out other explanations, not directly testing for transgenderness. A doctor who makes a patient wait is not refusing to believe the patient, they are accepting that the patient is really experiencing a deep distress and are doing their due diligence to find the source. Using Olly's argument about the harm of waiting for medical care , treating transgenderness for years while failing to identify the underlying issue as anxiety or other mental issues would be unjust to them. Here's a, you know, philosophy question: if you don't know the underlying source of distress why is it more unjust to rule out anxiety or something else before trying transitioning than it would be to test transitioning before trying to treat anxiety when that doesn't work?

Spoiler: Semi-related political doomer sperging

I have a lot of sympathy for transgender people honestly. I don't buy their reasoning but I think the truth is that we can all feel it in our bones that we're in the end times and people are trying anything they can to cope. If you wake up everyday to a feeling of deep-unease and listlessness, (which is a natural reaction to a subconscious feeling that things will continue to slowly get worse as we all run out of room to make economic growth continue,) it's not hard to see why hitting a hard reset on your life to just try again would be attractive. To that extent, I do buy into a mild transgender and related conspiracy where TPTB are very happy to embrace any alternative explanation to the general disquiet more and more people feel. It's similar to 'fat acceptance' movements and other things. People are distressed because they occupy positions in society where they don't have time or energy to be active and lack the money and time to eat anything but shit. If people start to respond to that by saying "the source of my distress is that people are rude to me." Nabisco is more than happy to let it take hold.

I think that this also explains why younger people are transitioning at higher rates. The later you were born, the more obvious it is to you that things are on the decline. The number of vocations that are simultaneously satisfying, (not even fun, just doing something actually productive instead of 'marketing' bullshit,) while paying enough to afford a family and home eventually are ever diminishing. More and more things will turn into precarious gig-work. Outside of work, people are forging fewer and fewer social bonds and failing to craft meaningful identities within any community. Faced with that feeling that everything is wrong, I don't think you have to be a pervert to entertain the idea that the problem might be that you're in the wrong body or something.

I don't think that there's any cabal pushing transness to soy-ify people or anything like that, but I do think that it's a convenient alternative focus for people's discontentment based on their material conditions.

Oh, and the way Olly's skin wrinkles so weirdly between the plastics in his cheek and jaw is rally disconcerting lol

 

[Shotgun Badger]

I mean yeah, logically if a child can consent to extensive, damaging medical procedures to intrude on their body's natural processes as it regards things like puberty and they can override their parents and doctors and don't even need a diagnosis of Dysphoria then logically the sky's the limit, the very concept of the children being unable to consent has lost all meaning. If Olly was consistent he should be arguing for abolishing the age of consent and all laws that prevent the sale of things like cigarettes and alcohol to kids too.

 

[AfghanBlue]

put Oil's new video on.

immediately had to stop to note that his fake humble jaunty first few lines at the start remind me (yet again this show) of a League of Gentlemen sketch, this time shit would-be actress Pam Doove

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[NationalBolshevik]

But the funniest thing to me is the whole military aesthetic he was doing. I know he doesn't say it outright but the dramatic editing and his little military outfit really makes it seem like he's trying to just say "I'm at WAR with the NHS".

Just in case you don't know. It's a direct reference to Joseph Heller's seminal novel 'Catch-22' about members of the air corp stuck in a system that will kill them but there's no logical way out.

Where the 'enemy' is not the Axis powers trying to shoot them down but the commanders who make them fly.

 

[White-Kettle Shufflepunk]

immediately had to stop to note that his fake humble jaunty first few lines at the start remind me (yet again this show) of a League of Gentlemen sketch, this time shit would-be actress Pam Doove

Oh, British troons hate that fucking show. Which is kind of funny, given the trans taxi driver is probably the sanest, nicest person in town. But you know, they depict him as a probably unwell dude in a dress with a deep voice, which is nothing like any actual trans woman!

 

[fax machine]

And again, maybe I’m nitpicking, but it’s striking how he’s howling with laughter and exuberant even though the purpose of the stream is to address the video about the alleged tranny holocaust or whatever. He starts talking about how this video shot up to his top ten videos for viewership or something like that. I can’t recall exactly. But again, how gauche to immediately discuss craven topics like view counts when it’s allegedly about such a serious issue.

lol. The wildest part of this was when he claimed he made the video with no care at all for views:

7:59 - I honestly thought this video wasn't going to go very well. And I was like, oh, okay, this one's a curiosity [not ambition] one; I'm not gonna try to do numbers; I'm not gonna try and like, you know, do a big trending topic or anything. I'm gonna talk about something that I care about and I'm gonna try to do it really well. So I was actually very very surprised that the video blew up. YouTube gives you a countdown of how well the video has done based on your previous ten, and it immediately shot to number one. I think it's had — I'm checking here — it's had 820,000 views in a week. Which by my standards is pretty good... by my standards, it's the best video I've done in ages. So I'm really really happy about that.

This just weeks after openly workshopping clickbait hooks on Twitter:



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I understand that there's a difference between choosing your subject for clickbait purposes and giving a subject of personal interest clickbait trappings to extend reach... but still, "I'm not gonna try to do numbers" is a ridiculous claim. He clearly tried to do numbers. The tweet's right there. It would have been the easiest thing in the world for him to say something along the lines of "this subject is important to me; I gave it a catchy title because I wasn't sure if it would attract the attention it deserves; I'm glad it worked!" Instead he does those big starry eyes as if any success is a shock to him. Like it would diminish him somehow to admit that he consciously tried to game the system and pulled it off.

He's also been trying to make #NHSTransHealthScandal trend, but the wagon's looking pretty empty.



I'm not gonna try to do numbers; I'm not gonna try and like, you know, do a big trending topic or anything... it's amazing to watch him fudge the smallest, most trivial details.

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In other Chubiverse news, Devon's mum now identifies as nonbinary.



As in her son, her nonbinariness manifests so deeply within the soul that it doesn't at all affect her physicality.



Also it seems she tried to get a primary school teacher fired for disagreeing with her beliefs.



A very special family.

 

[Swimminglanes]

What a bog standard boring family, made so much more exciting by having a predictably pretentious Identity. I bet dad's getting a new shed to hide in from the pretentious twats. And the pathetic bullies want someone sacked for laughing at their stupidity.

Cross dressing mental cases might be protected because they are mental but dull as fuck teachers fit in perfectly with the rest of the school staff.

 

[Shotgun Badger]

The entire constellation of people surrounding Chube just proves that a bunch of boring ass people latch onto transness in a desperate effort to make themselves more interesting.

 

[Tombigbee]

If only he had listened….

 

[AirdropShitposts]

The huge omission here is that the patient does not present with transgender symptoms, they present with a deep, persistent feeling of distress. The doctor's job is to determine what is causing that and the question should be what the source of that distress is. In having people wait, a proper doctor is ruling out other explanations, not directly testing for transgenderness. A doctor who makes a patient wait is not refusing to believe the patient, they are accepting that the patient is really experiencing a deep distress and are doing their due diligence to find the source. Using Olly's argument about the harm of waiting for medical care , treating transgenderness for years while failing to identify the underlying issue as anxiety or other mental issues would be unjust to them. Here's a, you know, philosophy question: if you don't know the underlying source of distress why is it more unjust to rule out anxiety or something else before trying transitioning than it would be to test transitioning before trying to treat anxiety when that doesn't work?

This is why they're insistent that the only medically proven solution (despite zero studies) is transition and doing anything else but affirming will literally kill the patient. They want to short circuit the entire mental health care process and get to what they want: free cosmetic surgery. This is also the same reason these types go against gatekeeping in everything and claim self-diagnosis in all aspects of mental health (and health in general) should always take priority and the patient should be affirmed in their self-diagnosis. You want to be autistic and have PTSD too? Okay, time to "treat" you immediately with the miracle drugs you're demanding. It's the entire narcissistic ideology. If some bigot doctor can just say you don't actually have something then guess who is no longer in charge of reality.

This is part of why they have to go hardcore on the kids, the underlying doctrine in the ideology is not allowed to have any flaws in the patient's seeking at any point, the patient always knows exactly what they need and any delay by anyone will result in death.

 

[White-Kettle Shufflepunk]

This is part of why they have to go hardcore on the kids, the underlying doctrine in the ideology is not allowed to have any flaws at any point, the patient always knows exactly what they need and any delay by anyone will result in death.

And yet, this raises another question. Most people who transition (historically, for now, God help us) have been very settled adult men. So apparently those guys were able to survive childhood and young adulthood without necking themselves, and remember, in this worldview, you're trans from birth, to the point where even referring to say, Bruce Jenner during his Olympics career by male pronouns is profoundly evil and innaccurate. But apparently if these kids are allowed to so much as grow a pube as God intended, they're doomed.

 

[Stanley Ipkiss]

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This is like the "Many people are saying.............." thing Trump does.
Or when Derrick Rose said "People are calling us the superteam" back in 2016.

You can say any stupid thing if you put the burden of having said it on some "other" unidentified person/group.

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(This is Oliver’s bestie, ‘Alice.’)

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He thinks this is funny, but at this point he just comes off as pathetic. All of his followers must be thinking "Jesus Christ just let it go!!!!" It always amazes me he's not treated as a laughing stock.

In other Chubiverse news, Devon's mum now identifies as nonbinary.

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As in her son, her nonbinariness manifests so deeply within the soul that it doesn't at all affect her physicality.

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Also it seems she tried to get a primary school teacher fired for disagreeing with her beliefs.

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A very special family.

In my first ever post on the farms, I mentioned how boring I find Devon. There isn't a more textbook example of "my gender is my entire identity". I still do not understand why people care what he says.