Debate user "Sage In All Fields" on if men should want to fuck 14-year-olds

[frap]

Thank you! Pedos always bring up this cope of teenage girls being the most fertile, when they have much higher risks of serious pregnancy complications than a woman in her twenties. Also the only people who married kids in ye olden days were nobles and they only did it to secure alliances, not because they thought 12 year olds were so sexy and fertile. The average age for marriage was always 20s.

The one example I can think of where a noble girl was married off and immediately impregnated by her new husband was Margaret Beaufort, mother of Henry VII of England. She was about 11 or 12 and I think her husband was in his 20s and desperate to secure her lands. This would have been sometime in the fifteenth century, and even by contemporary standards it was considered pretty bad. He died of plague or something while she was pregnant and the birth almost killed her. She was never able to carry another child. I can't even imagine how terrified she must have been and the injuries she endured.

But creepy OP thinks menarche = safe pregnancy. Plenty of girls haven't even started menstruating by his proposed age of 14.

 

[Sage In All Fields]

@Sage In All Fields Why are you writing a collage essay with graphs like this is Childfucking Justification 201: Advanced Arguments?

So I can respond to comments like these with 'refer to section 1.2'.

None of the arguments he has presented actually speak to the idea that adult/minor relationships are healthier or better. There has been nothing materially shown that proves that there is any benefit to fucking a 14 year old over someone more age appropriate.
If this moron is actually trying to argue that there is no difference between a 14 and 18 year old, then why can’t you just be okay with dating the 18 year old? He is quite literally betraying his fetish by focusing on the 14 year old here.

I'm not arguing that they're healthier or better, the only thing I'm arguing against is the intense opposition to it. If people were arguing that mesophilia, crurophilia or podophilia were wrong with the same intensity I would do the same thing, and I would have more of a personal incentive to do so.

A preference based on...? Fantasy or experience or what?

The typical hypothesis is that it's based on a biological need for resources and competency etc

This would have been sometime in the fifteenth century, and even by contemporary standards it was considered pretty bad. He died of plague or something while she was pregnant and the birth almost killed her. She was never able to carry another child. I can't even imagine how terrified she must have been and the injuries she endured.

Yes, immense suffering during pregnancy and childbirth was quite normal for the era. As was your husband dying of plague or the flu.

 

[TayandYou]

So I can respond to comments like these with 'refer to section 1.2'.

Nobody cares about your pedo essay. You should kill yourself now before you have a daughter.

 

[Illuminati Order Official]

If people were arguing that mesophilia, crurophilia or podophilia were wrong with the same intensity I would do the same thing, and I would have more of a personal incentive to do so.

The difference is that neither of those preferences \ fetishes messes up a kid's head. Feet fetishists get some well deserved mockery but that's it.

The typical hypothesis is that it's based on a biological need for resources and competency etc

Hypothesis without being proven and therefore turned into a thesis is scientifically insignificant, it's nothing more than "I suspect that...".

 

[BirdUp]

i think its a bit strange to want to fuck children

 

[Xolanite]

Man shall not lay with kids.

 

[draggs]

So I can respond to comments like these with 'refer to section 1.2'.


I'm not arguing that they're healthier or better, the only thing I'm arguing against is the intense opposition to it. If people were arguing that mesophilia, crurophilia or podophilia were wrong with the same intensity I would do the same thing, and I would have more of a personal incentive to do so.


The typical hypothesis is that it's based on a biological need for resources and competency etc


Yes, immense suffering during pregnancy and childbirth was quite normal for the era. As was your husband dying of plague or the flu.

Stop trying to sound smart when you pull out completely retarded lines like "the only thing I'm arguing against is the intense opposition to it"

 

[TayandYou]

Stop trying to sound smart when you pull out completely retarded lines like "the only thing I'm arguing against is the intense opposition to it"

The pedo really thinks he can facts and logic his way into justifying his desire to fuck 14-year-olds by destroying us in the marketplace of ideas lmao.

 

[Spiral Architect]

I was about to write quite a long post here about why we shouldn't fuck kids, but in the middle of it i realized i'm writing about why water is wet, it's so obvious why it's bad i'm refusing to participate in this pointless "discussion". So i deleted everything and i'll just say that yes, SOME 14 years old girls can be quite attractive, and especially nowadays, because i have no idea what they feed these kids but they look way older than they used to, not to mention make-up can hide age even more. I'm willing to bet quite a few men would say the same thing if they wouldn't be afraid to admit it. And god damn, sometimes they are afraid to the point they lie even to themselves. You shouldn't feel bad about this. You are a thinking man, you know physical attraction is not everything, animal instincts won't control you, and most importantly you know that you'd be hurting the poor kid, both physically and mentally so there's nothing wrong with you. Unless you don't and actually want to fuck kids, then if i caught you trying it i'd gladly strangle you, end of story, have a nice day!

 

[Sage In All Fields]

The difference is that neither of those preferences \ fetishes messes up a kid's head. Feet fetishists get some well deserved mockery but that's it.

The key problem here is your a priori assertion that the people we're talking about are 'kids'.

Hypothesis without being proven and therefore turned into a thesis is scientifically insignificant, it's nothing more than "I suspect that...".

Well yeah but that's basically the nature of 90% of psychology. If you wanna reject the entirety of psychology you can go right ahead, I won't stop you, but then you can't also oppose anything I suggest on the basis of psychology.

Stop trying to sound smart when you pull out completely retarded lines like "the only thing I'm arguing against is the intense opposition to it"

Maybe I'm not 'trying to sound smart', maybe you're just kinda dumb. If I'm not overly concerned with making myself understood I just write in the way that's most enjoyable for me.

Nobody cares about your pedo essay. You should kill yourself now before you have a daughter.

I care, therefore somebody cares. Also, by this logic you must think incest is acceptable as long as your daughter is over the age of 18 (although then again I've heard people make this case unironically, so maybe that's what you believe).

 

[Illuminati Order Official]

The key problem here is your a priori assertion that the people we're talking about are 'kids'.

Because people who are 14 are kids.

Well yeah but that's basically the nature of 90% of psychology. If you wanna reject the entirety of psychology you can go right ahead, I won't stop you, but then you can't also oppose anything I suggest on the basis of psychology.

That's incorrect. Proper scientific method is: hypothesis -> experiment -> thesis. Modern psychology is based on empirical knowledge obtained through experiments, interviews, document analysis and data analysis.

 

[Sage In All Fields]

Because people who are 14 are kids.

I disagree, you stop being a kid after menarche or spermarche depending on whether you're a woman or a man respectively. I see no reason to accept your definition.

That's incorrect. Proper scientific method is: hypothesis -> experiment -> thesis. Modern psychology is based on empirical knowledge obtained through experiments, interviews, document analysis and data analysis.

Yes that's 'proper scientific method', the degree to which this can actually be applied to a discipline like psychology is very fuzzy. There is certainly an empirical component, we can for example observe that women do in fact overwhelmingly express this preference even cross-culturally, the reasoning however is almost necessarily speculative.

 

[Illuminati Order Official]

I disagree, you stop being a kid after menarche or spermarche depending on whether you're a woman or a man respectively. I see no reason to accept your definition.

Then you either never interacted with a 14-years-old or suffer from some cognitive deficiency. It takes 5 minutes of talking to someone this age to realize they are a kid and every adult who wants to have sex or a quasi-romantic relationship with them is a disgusting pedophile and groomer.

There is certainly an empirical component, we can for example observe that women do in fact overwhelmingly express this preference even cross-culturally, the reasoning however is almost necessarily speculative.

What preference? To be groomed by pedophiles? No, they don't.

 

[Sage In All Fields]

What preference? To be groomed by pedophiles? No, they don't.

If you're unable to even keep track of the discussion I don't understand why you would even invest the time arguing. Feel free to tag team someone whose more competent than you and who will actually give me something more substantial to discuss, instead of the random electrical signals firing in your brain.

 

[Illuminati Order Official]

If you're unable to even keep track of the discussion I don't understand why you would even invest the time arguing. Feel free to tag team someone whose more competent than you and who will actually give me something more substantial to discuss, instead of the random electrical signals firing in your brain.

You said that women have a preference for older men. Then you equated it to your fantasy that girls have a preference for disgusting pedophile groomers. I believe that my response was following the discussion adequately.

 

[Null]

This line of conversation is really pushing the "no pedophiles on the site" rule. This guy's either a sperg or just a freak.

 

[Sage In All Fields]

This line of conversation is really pushing the "no pedophiles on the site" rule. This guy's either a sperg or just a freak.

I prefer 'sperg' to 'freak', but I'm partial to either so it's up to you really.

 

[TayandYou]

I care, therefore somebody cares. Also, by this logic you must think incest is acceptable as long as your daughter is over the age of 18 (although then again I've heard people make this case unironically, so maybe that's what you believe).

I hope you don't have a daughter so you don't turn a blind eye when she gets groomed by a discord pervert or even worse, encourage it or allow her to be in unsafe situations because "she's 14 and can consent". Who the fuck mentioned incest? Why was incest the first thing that came to your mind? That's just pure projection from you.

That's incorrect. Proper scientific method is: hypothesis -> experiment -> thesis. Modern psychology is based on empirical knowledge obtained through experiments, interviews, document analysis and data analysis.

You don't have to address the pedo's argument seriously, all the facts and logic in the world would not protect him from getting his ass beat if he spouts this in public. He doesn't understand that other than chomos, nobody cares about the "science" behind why it's okay to rape children.

This line of conversation is really pushing the "no pedophiles on the site" rule. This guy's either a sperg or just a freak.

I think the conversation is well into pedo apologist territory, from the OP this dude has been heavily invested in trying to justify fucking 14-year-olds since middle school, this is his life's work.

 

[Illuminati Order Official]

You don't have to address the pedo's argument seriously, all the facts and logic in the world would not protect him from getting his ass beat if he spouts this in public. He doesn't understand that other than chomos, nobody cares about the "science" behind why it's okay to rape children.

I made a pedo apologist drop his intellectual charade and resort to primitive ad personam, doesn't it count for something?

 

[Sage In All Fields]

I hope you don't have a daughter so you don't turn a blind eye when she gets groomed by a discord pervert or even worse, encourage it or allow her to be in unsafe situations because "she's 14 and can consent". Who the fuck mentioned incest? Why was incest the first thing that came to your mind? That's just pure projection from you.

Ah I see where the disconnect is. My daughter won't be having any relationships with men outside of marriage, and she'll only marry men I find acceptable. This is the case whether she's 14 or 28 (necessarily subject to the laws of the country I'm in of course).

You don't have to address the pedo's argument seriously, all the facts and logic in the world would not protect him from getting his ass beat if he spouts this in public.

I'm not really the kind of person who gets his ass beat, this is a nice power fantasy though.

He doesn't understand that other than chomos, nobody cares about the "science" behind why it's okay to rape children.

Oh no, I completely understand that, I just find the squirming entertaining and it gives me good prompts so I can finally write things up.