Ukrainian Defensive War against the Russian Invasion - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

[The Mass Shooter Ron Soye]

US to send Patriot missile systems and tanks to Ukraine faster than originally planned

https://www.cnn.com/2023/03/21/politics/us-patriots-ukraine/index.html

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[AgendaPoster]

Gentlemen, we are now the official center for retooling and reintegrating folks that have been infected with the vatnik pathogen. Our help and expertise in derussification will be sought by desperate individuals at the end of their rope.
Let's all act with kindness and compassion towards our lost brethren.

 

[Ghostse]

What boggles my mind about these people is that they can look at the map of the frontlines and somehow still think Russia is winning.
Like its been an entire year into the conflict, the army that was supposedly the second-strongest army in the world can barely push the frontline more than 100 miles from territory it already controlled.
If Russia is winning so fucking hard, then why is it failing to make any significant gain?

Well see its because Russia is trying to minimize loss of life and destruction of propety.
*drops 19,000 artillery shells on apartment blocks, targets civilian electrical grid in the middle of winter*

Though I don't figure Ukraine itself will be in the business of (officially) selling battlefield wreckage or equipment, unless it's for the pure scrap value; although they will probably do something like an official commemorative victory coin made from T-72 steel.

I'd buy some Ukrainian tank-steel money.

Why would the Russians bring Kaliburs to Crimea?

Doesn't make sense unless it's to rearm the Black Sea Fleet. Even then, given how precious they are, using other Black Sea facilities make more sense

They are very likely looking to arm the BSF; I saw wonkinating I agree with that said that their activation of a troop landing ship & submarine escorts was seeing how feasible keeping Crimea supplied by sea would be if the northern routes are cut.
Additionally, they have the shipping to land a mechanized or armored division - while nearly suicidal, especially with US observation access in the area, if Ukraine starts wilding and is about to isolate Crimea, sacrificing a mechanized division to hit Odessa (or whatever coastal target) to force Ukraine to redeploy forces to buy time is better than losing Crimea.

But the more likely scenario is they want those missiles Danger-close to hit any massing Ukrainian formations + use as defensive weapons if Ukraine starts wildin' in the south like they're expected.

 

[Melmac_Knight]

What boggles my mind about these people is that they can look at the map of the frontlines and somehow still think Russia is winning.

Russia is winning because before the war they didn't have that land and now Putin can visit Mariopol and be greeted and thanked by civilians at 2 fucking AM, (because you know that's totally normal) also he can drive a car there unlike in Moscow where he has a designated driver

I'm really surpised the Ukr Military hasn't auctioned off Russian aircraft fragments with roundels and tail number stencils. War junkies would buy that crap at a premium.

found some shit on Etsy, but don't know how legit this is. I'm not gonna pay 60$ to a Chink or a Romanian gypsy profiteering of this war

T 72 Keychain - Etsy

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also there is bunch of junk on eBay

 

[Jewthulhu]

One thing I don't think gets brought up often enough is the effects of the "convertodox" trend from the past half decade or so. I remember there being a fad for Western edgelords to covert to le b-b-based tradodoxy, especially around 2015-2017. And it was invariably a Russian-flavored version too, not that le pozzed Constantinople crap. For a lot of these terminally-online Ordodogs guys, Russia-worship and the belief that Russia is the savior of Christendom became an article of religion. I remember them going on about it incessantly years ago. I'd wager that ROCOR played no small part (deliberately or otherwise) in contributing to a fifth column in the West.

Of course, the huge irony is that Ukraine is a much more religiously Orthodox (and Catholic for that matter) place than Russia, but this shit was never supposed to make sense.

Most political converts are worse than atheists IMO. They have no real love for God, they just see Orthodoxy as a political tool against liberalism. No different than the Jews who thought the savior was to establish an earthly kingdom. They hold disgust for the Truth, and fall for false prophets preaching heresies that appeal to them. That's why Russia appeals to the trad larpers online. They preach a schismatic heresy that appeals to "culture warriors," and attack those who wish to follow the word without needlessly attacking others.

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As an aside, here are the statements of various Patriarchs condemning Russia's invasion of Ukraine. Didn't include the ones not issuing specific denunciations.(Constantinople, Alexandria, Georgia, Romania, Bulgaria, Cyprus, Greece, Poland, America).

I get there's controversy over the autocephaly of Ukraine, but Kirill has more than proved himself a heretic.

 

[mindlessobserver]

Gentlemen, we are now the official center for retooling and reintegrating folks that have been infected with the vatnik pathogen. Our help and expertise in derussification will be sought by desperate individuals at the end of their rope.
Let's all act with kindness and compassion towards our lost brethren.
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God bless them they really don't know what's about happen, do they. The US and Europe have been retooling their military industrial complexes for at least 6 months now. Millions of Shells have been put on order, including Soviet standard calibers. Several hundred main battle tanks are either already in Ukraine or on the way.

If Russia could barely make any head way now...

 

[Blatant hypocrite]

Gentlemen, we are now the official center for retooling and reintegrating folks that have been infected with the vatnik pathogen. Our help and expertise in derussification will be sought by desperate individuals at the end of their rope.
Let's all act with kindness and compassion towards our lost brethren.
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Please tell me she got laughed at for saying that

 

[Bunny Wigglesworth]

More Monkey Ooks coming from the Kremlin about "unspecified consequences" due to Britain sending Depleted Uranium ammunition along with their challenger tanks.

https://www.nationalworld.com/news/world/vladimir-putin-british-plan-send-ammunition-depleted-uranium-ukraine-will-trigger-russian-response-4073702

Its like Putin thinks its still 2014 and he can just get by with unspecified threats. Even though he's literally pushed this mess as far up the escalation ladder as he can. What is he going to do if Britain does not back down? Start a War?

*Be Putin
*Use Depleted Uranium rounds in your own tanks & tout how effective they are in your own State Media outlets.
*Hope oblivious retards in the West don’t notice (they won’t)
*Posture about UK giving Ukraine depleted uranium
*Upload OMGNucularMaterials.exe to Vatnigger NPCs
*Hope nobody knows DU is 100 times less radioactive than Scott Ritter at a Kids Choice Award show

 

[RodgerDodger]

Is anyone else seeing conflicting messaging from Prighozin and Wagner. Like they have fully conquored Bakhmut, but the Uke's have cut them off and will slaughter them all, because they have no support from the Russian Military.

Is Shoigu finally hanging Wagner out to dry?

 

[Clownish]

New Combat footage of Bakhmut by the 3rd Brigade Azov.

 

[GoPro]

What's the Russian pilpul for why this hasn't happened yet? Six gorillion black NATO tranny nazi mercenaries secretly backing up the Ukrainians in Bakhmut?

NATO troops and foreign mercenaries have been the go to cope since fall offensives.

Of course, the huge irony is that Ukraine is a much more religiously Orthodox (and Catholic for that matter) place than Russia, but this shit was never supposed to make sense.

That and Russian population is 10-15% Muslim. At least double the percentage that countries like France and Sweden have to deal with. Muslim birthrate in Russia is at 2.3, the highest in the country, while that of ethnic Russians is below replacement level. Lots of migrants coming to Russia are Muslims from central Asia too. All of this means that the Muslim slice of the Russian population pie will keep growing while others shrink. So much for the savior of Christendom.

Late thanks to the farms being down on the clearnet, but in my experience the people that live most rent free in the minds of Russians (or at least Pro-Russian Telegram and Twitter) are the Baltic countries judging by how much they talk about them.

Why exactly they do this is of course up for debate, but in my armchair psychology opinion it's because they managed to free themselves from being directly a part of the USSR after being occupied by them in part thanks to Hitler and Stalin playing buddy buddy in '39 and '40, so when they started demanding independence and Gorbachev was reluctant to roll out the tanks, and the fact the Berlin wall fell, and many of the Warsaw Pact countries managed to free themselves, it made all these Warsaw Pact countries that were on the fence due to fears of retaliation and some of the SSRs that were sick of answering to Moscow realize they finally had a chance at kicking the Commies out.

It's why Poland causes almost as much seethe as the Baltics, because those four countries are not afraid to constantly call a near half century long occupation a near half century long occupation.

That's exactly why. Baltics are the best advertisement for why choosing the West in the 90s was better than sticking with Russia. Three small countries (in land and population) with little natural resources and industry somehow became places where average person lives much better than in Russia. It's especially bad as Baltic states had little experience in self-governance and unlike Czechoslovakia or Poland they were part of the USSR. They stand in contrast to Belarus and Ukraine who decided to stick with Russia and lagged behind everyone west of them ever since.
Security is another benefit. Russia did not invade any Baltic country once they established relations with the West. Later, Russia had no problem attacking its long time allies soon after they started having talks with the west about increased cooperation. CSTO is straight up useless. It can't guarantee safety from outside aggressors as Armenia is learning the hard way.

 

[No bullying allowed]

God bless them they really don't know what's about happen, do they. The US and Europe have been retooling their military industrial complexes for at least 6 months now. Millions of Shells have been put on order, including Soviet standard calibers. Several hundred main battle tanks are either already in Ukraine or on the way.

If Russia could barely make any head way now...

This is all good and well but I want to be factual and point out that the artillery shells promised by the EU is 'only' 50% of what Ukraine actually needs (per year), they'll still be operating at a significant artillery disadvantage, albeit a smaller one. They still need the other half. Western tanks are good but they're still liable to being destroyed, and you can burn through tanks at a worrying pace during offensive actions, as we have seen.

With that said, everything still improves the situation in Ukraine but they need more. Basic infantry training especially needs to be vastly expanded, Ukraine needs trained ground troops.

Edit: If I recall correctly Ukraine is firing approx 6000 shells per day, while Russia is about double or triple of that, but my memory is a little bit fuzzy on the exact details, someone else might know.

 

[GatorAids]

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Russia has gone from weaponizing dolphins to whales now. How will NATO ever recover?

 

[prolapsed_cranium]

God bless them they really don't know what's about happen, do they. The US and Europe have been retooling their military industrial complexes for at least 6 months now. Millions of Shells have been put on order, including Soviet standard calibers. Several hundred main battle tanks are either already in Ukraine or on the way.

If Russia could barely make any head way now...

Ordered is far from shipped out. How long until they start making them?

 

[MS Paint Gigachad]

Ordered is far from shipped out. How long until they start making them?

It can't be that long, considering that every army has to use some bullets in training exercises - they'd be produced semi-regularly at least, I'd think

 

[Pocket Dragoon]

FPV drones with directional anti-personel mines, the MON-50. Basically flying claymores.
Terrifying.

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Plus FPV pilot training, and a field-expedient RCWS; all courtesy of vidya & the Russians.

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[Snekposter]

The "Kalina" fire-control system of a captured T-90M was analyzed & found to contain mostly parts of foreign manufacture; including the French "Catherine FC" thermal optic.
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- from the General Staff of Ukraine
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I bet the French are pissed that all of this stuff is getting publicized. Hard to make arms deals when the most common thing people think about it is "Didn't it get blown up in Ukraine?"

Also, to quote from an anon:

>25 months into the US invasion of Mexico
>Forces bogged down in trench warfare in Monterrey
>The US's latest fighting tank is the M60A9E2 2020 upgrade
>The Abrams is rumored to be in production but hasn't been seen since two of four broke down on parade in Washington

That really just sums it all up.

The need for globohomo institutions to stick their dicks into this mess has been annoying. The IMF, the WEF, the UN, the ICC, the ICJ, every single one of them has been absolutely impotent to deal with what's been going on. Russias aggression is being countered by Ukrainian Blood, NATO steel, and American treasure. Not the endless platitudes and strongly worded statements of International NGOs.

Reminds me of one of the final missions of The Division, where the hostile PMC you fight has taken over the UN building and as part of the actual briefing you're told to evict them because the UN isn't around to issue a harshly worded letter.

Is the violation just from firing, or is it something where the tribunal isn't violated if you can prove "the hospital is serving as a makeshift barracks, and the soldiers there are perfectly healthy", or "this apartment building is doubling as a makeshift barracks" or "this school is housing weapons in the cafeteria, and the gym is used for military drills."?

You're not allowed to be indiscriminate with fire in civilian areas. The USA is actually fairly scrupulous about that, but less for humanitarian reasons and more because a shell that hits a random apartment instead of a barracks is one that's wasted. While there are massive loopholes as @mindlessobserver pointed out, you still need to at least pretend you're targeting a specific military item instead of just its general area, and unfortunately for the Russians incompetence isn't really an excuse when it comes to artillery barrages since if you know your troops will just hit random spots around the target instead of it you are technically engaging in willful targeting of civilian areas. Obviously the PGM's aren't subject to the same requirements because "Whoops, they're just that shit and we're honestly trying our best" is a mea culpa since even if you're missing, you're still at least trying to directly hit something.

JFC even the Iranian parliament are kicking off about the supply of Iranian drones to Russia.

Jesus, you know you've fucked up when even the Iranians are siding with The Great Satan instead of you.

Perhaps the US should annex Canada under the same pretenses.

*Canada isn't even a real country
*They kind of act like Americans
*The Chinese are trying to encroach on the US via Canada
*We need a land bridge to Alaska
*Justin Trudeau is a Chinese puppet

Actally this is kind of tempting. Someone in the Pentagon better contract me to type up an O-Plan.

Time to dust off War Plan Red. I know Techpriest already mentioned it, but I thought I'd post a link to it.

Lol. Anything that isn't "Get a modern ATGM and pray you're a good shot" is pure cope.

Even then, good luck. The British may suck ass at making MBT's, but they make excellent fortifications to the point they've figured out how to put hardened bunkers on tracks. Granted the mobility is shit and it breaks down a fair bit, but everyone knows the British prefer to advance at a stately pace anyways so they can find time for a proper afternoon tea.

Probably either a zoomer drone operator, or one of those groups that lets randos essentially superchat dumbshit/messages onto drones and munitons to raise funds.

Best just answer the phone when they call about your car's extended warranty before they switch to a 155mm shell...

Lol fat

She clearly wants Greater Romania so she can put it on a sandwich.

I'd buy some Ukrainian tank-steel money.

They better watch out. The UK only has enough cannon bronze in inventory for another 85 Victoria Crosses at most. Only a matter of time until the British decide to replenish those stocks, and with actual metal from Sevastopol this time instead of the Chinese guns they've been using. And we all know notoriously light-fingered the British are...

It can't be that long, considering that every army has to use some bullets in training exercises - they'd be produced semi-regularly at least, I'd think

Not in the necessary quantities. It takes time to ramp up production along the entire supply chain from steel and explosives plants to the actual shell factories opening or expanding lines, which is why militaries have stockpiles so they can buy time. Right now the West's stockpiles are going to Ukraine, which would be bad if not for the fact a reason of their existence was just in case the Russians tried something. Considering the state of the Bundeswehr I don't think anyone in Europe was expecting to be shooting at the Germans again, after all.

And now, news:
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1637869043884384297.html
https://archive.md/LBNZs

1/ Moscow students are reportedly being handed mobilisation orders along with their diplomas, literally at the very minute that their exemption from military service expires. This is happening at the same time that Russia is reportedly seeking 400,000 new soldiers.

About to graduate from the Moscow Aviation Institute as an engineer? Better speak to this enlistment officer about your patriotic duty first.

https://news.yahoo.com/russias-former-president-suggested-firing-141720010.html
https://archive.md/A0WBN

Russia's former president suggested firing a hypersonic missile at The Hague after Putin's ICC arrest warrant: 'Look carefully into the sky'​

He's not wrong that we wouldn't give a shit, but for reasons other than being afraid of Russia. Mostly that we don't give a shit about the ICC in the first place.

https://english.nv.ua/nation/slovakia-to-double-artillery-shell-production-news-50311006.html
https://archive.md/aL93J

Slovakia to double artillery shell production – again​

Relatively old, but I didn't see it posted here. Europe really is rearming fast, and while Slovakia probably doesn't have all that much to contribute, well every little bit helps.

https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2023/03/21/7394435/
https://archive.md/Ud3Gg

Japan’s PM visits Bucha: I feel great anger at atrocities committed here​

Japs mad. And I don't mean that ironically. If you've pissed off Asians enough to the point they're admitting it, you have really pissed them off considering the circumlocutions normally involved in any sort of expression of emotion.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/mar/20/eu-deal-supply-ukraine-ammunition
https://archive.md/LSvWj

EU seals deal to supply Ukraine with a million rounds of shells

That will last about a week, tops.

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/...rs-patriot-missile-training-oklahoma-00088166
https://archive.md/ZwjBa

‘Absolutely a quick study’: Ukrainians master Patriot system faster than expected​

I'd say they have more than a little prior experience running AD operations, which naturally means they're going grasp certain aspects rather quickly. Especially since Ukraine sent us their best so they can train the rest. Gotta love that senior citizen there somehow pulling his weight despite being old enough to retire. Can't exactly fault him for wanting to fight though, what with being born when Khrushchev was still in power and not wanting any of that to return to his country.

https://www.defense.gov/News/Releas...s-additional-security-assistance-for-ukraine/
https://archive.md/e6NIP

DOD Announces Additional Security Assistance for Ukraine​

Just the latest list of new supplies. Fuel trucks, spare parts, mortar rounds, riverine boats...

https://www.barrons.com/news/uk-ukr...-deal-to-aid-post-war-reconstruction-ebbc4b72
https://archive.md/xtaCY

UK, Ukraine Sign Digital Trade Deal To Aid Post-war Reconstruction​

Let nobody say the British have ever been ones to pass up an opportunity...


What's that? Russia changing conscription requirements? That's never backfired before at all!

 

[prolapsed_cranium]

It can't be that long, considering that every army has to use some bullets in training exercises - they'd be produced semi-regularly at least, I'd think

Except those countries just gave most of their stocks away (training included.l)

The US is really hurting for 155 and will never catch up at current rates given the training expenditures.

 

[Snekposter]

Except those countries just gave most of their stocks away (training included.l)

The US is really hurting for 155 and will never catch up at current rates given the training expenditures.

Which of course is why everyone in the West is doing their best to ramp up production. Funny, that.

 

[MS Paint Gigachad]

Except those countries just gave most of their stocks away (training included.l)

The US is really hurting for 155 and will never catch up at current rates given the training expenditures.

My point was basically that there's a difference between "ah fuck, i need an arms industrey and I need it YESTERDAY" and "ahhh well, let's increase to wartime rates of production".

Besides, this day was coming since approximately june last year. I'd have expected them to at least made up a plan on what to do if they needed to increase shell production