Off-Topic Losing people to transgenderism support thread - Support group for trans widows and other people who lost loved ones to troonism

[sheepworldvizor]

Within the past few years she’s had 3 operations due to breast cancer:

This is the reason he’s trooned imo.
Men are 7 times more likely to leave a sick partner.

The men who leave their spouses when they have a life-threatening illness | Women | The Guardian

When relationships are hit by serious illness, it can bring existing gender inequalities shockingly to the surface

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And while she was busy almost dying he would have been secretly watching tranny porn sissy shit.
Then he thinks, I wanna dump her but I need a solid reason other than ‘you smell of chemo’. Bingo: troon

As you say, complete narcissism. Maybe your mom can give on some details of trans widows sites. There is support out there.

 

[Fapcop]

Was housed with a gay for a few months once. The first time we met he felt the need to apologize to me "If his anxiety made me uncomfortable while I was moving in." I hadn't noticed but in hindsight it was nice of him to wave a giant red flag in my face my first day there.

I got to know him and he was a real "seringe-inseminated, girl name, two moms, hundred partner, feminized body with hair and sweat gland mods, 'every stereotype is true we just lie about it' " type and so were all his friends. Very informative.

I used to be a “well why not let gay people adopt, what’s the harm?!”

Until I started running into the kids adopted/born into “queer families”.

Without exception, they’re terminal basketcases, ranging from self hating people with severe depression/anxiety issues to straight up narc psychopaths and textbook BPD cases ruining everyone around them.

The ones with lesbian moms tend to be the worst for whatever reason.

She cries on the phone to my mother, asking her what she did wrong in her marriage. If she wasn’t affectionate enough or gave him enough sex, hideous things no wife in a decades long marriage should ever have to think about. My mother doesn’t know how to console her, has no idea what to tell her other than it isn’t her fault. She said something along the lines of: what do you even tell someone in a situation like this? You’re now a woman after 30 years of marriage, as your wife struggles with complications of breast cancer, auto immune diseases, etc? Are you serious? She told her husband that he broke her heart. Troonery is inherently selfish and I'm really hurting for her.

Tell your mom/moms friend that there are a lot of hidden online ressources available for trans widows, even if it’s something they can’t really advertise on places like Reddit.

And get that $$. Find some Rottweiler, radfem, lesbian divorce attorney to bleed the dude of everything he’s got.

Any man who treats his wife and kids like that for a fetish deserves to go to the grave as a pauper.

 

[Ser Prize]

Welp, I've had a frayed relationship with one of my online friends for a fair while now. He went to college and came out a radical leftie, we've had spats and fights that almost ended our friendship.

He's super autistic and big into RP, where he RPs exclusively female characters. That was the big tell and I kinda knew something was up. Now he's come out as 'trans' and I'm looking at that friendship circle I built with this guy evaporating because of this. Apparently it's enough 'for now' that I refer to him with gender neutral pronouns, but won't always be, I suspect.

Another semi friend also recently went from He/They/She pronouns to 'trying out' exclusively female pronouns.

I can't avoid this shit anywhere and it is really killing me.

Edit: I am so close to saying some shit.

 

[teriyakiburns]

Edit: I am so close to saying some shit.

SO this is the latest magical thinking they've come up with? The brain has a separate hormone pipeline than the rest of the body? Fucking amazing.

Say your shit. He needs to hear it, even if he won't listen. Who knows? He might thank you if he snaps out of it.

 

[Ser Prize]

SO this is the latest magical thinking they've come up with? The brain has a separate hormone pipeline than the rest of the body? Fucking amazing.

Say your shit. He needs to hear it, even if he won't listen. Who knows? He might thank you if he snaps out of it.

That's the cope they've had for nigh on a decade. "Akshully the brain is more like a female brain" totally disregarding that they've lived 26 years AS A MAN, WITH MALE HORMONES SHAPING THE BRAIN'S DEVELOPMENT.

Unfortunately there's no point in saying anything to him. He's so very deep all it'll do is make me look like an asshole to our mutual friend.

 

[behindyourightnow]

Welp, I've had a frayed relationship with one of my online friends for a fair while now. He went to college and came out a radical leftie, we've had spats and fights that almost ended our friendship.

He's super autistic and big into RP, where he RPs exclusively female characters. That was the big tell and I kinda knew something was up. Now he's come out as 'trans' and I'm looking at that friendship circle I built with this guy evaporating because of this. Apparently it's enough 'for now' that I refer to him with gender neutral pronouns, but won't always be, I suspect.

Another semi friend also recently went from He/They/She pronouns to 'trying out' exclusively female pronouns.

I can't avoid this shit anywhere and it is really killing me.

Edit: I am so close to saying some shit. View attachment 4918441

That makes zero sense. Steroid sex hormones like testosterone cross the blood-brain barrier by simple diffusion. How could a release of sex hormones affect the body but not the brain?

 

[Corn Flakes]

That makes zero sense. Steroid sex hormones like testosterone cross the blood-brain barrier by simple diffusion. How could a release of sex hormones affect the body but not the brain?

Through the raw, combined power of ideology and coom, of course. He wants the dress to go spinny so hard he's willing himself a different brain chemistry.

Remember: empirical reality doesn't matter to these people. If it did, they'd know men cannot be women and vice-versa. All that matters is that which makes their peepee hard.

 

[Ser Prize]

Through the raw, combined power of ideology and coom, of course. He wants the dress to go spinny so hard he's willing himself a different brain chemistry.

Remember: empirical reality doesn't matter to these people. If it did, they'd know men cannot be women and vice-versa. All that matters is that which makes their peepee hard.

That makes zero sense. Steroid sex hormones like testosterone cross the blood-brain barrier by simple diffusion. How could a release of sex hormones affect the body but not the brain?

I don't even think he's that into it from an AGP angle. He's on the less sexual side from what I know. Dude just seems to really want to be a spunky anime girl.

 

[Leakage Current]

Dude just seems to really want to be a spunky anime girl.

Don't we all? Except people usually go play a RPG for that.

 

[Fapcop]

That's the cope they've had for nigh on a decade. "Akshully the brain is more like a female brain" totally disregarding that they've lived 26 years AS A MAN, WITH MALE HORMONES SHAPING THE BRAIN'S DEVELOPMENT.

Yeah that’s a real marriage between wishful thinking and retardation there.

Sure, there could be some gendered differences between the brain of men and of women, that we’re not fully aware of yet.

But ffs, what does the brain of a fetus have to do with anything?!

If he’s the super autistic logical type, maybe you should approach it with logic: He will never be a woman, will never look like a woman, and the best he has to hope for, is people politely playing along.

Best of luck fellow Kiwi!

 

[Ser Prize]

Don't we all? Except people usually go play a RPG for that.

Maybe I'm the weirdo but I have never had any desire to be a spunky anime girl and it is distressing how common it actually is.

 

[Leakage Current]

Maybe I'm the weirdo but I have never had any desire to be a spunky anime girl and it is distressing how common it actually is.

It's a pretty common fantasy (or maybe people just want to stare at anime girl butt) but having fantasies about the unachievable is extremely normal.

 

[Aunt Carol]

It's a pretty common fantasy (or maybe people just want to stare at anime girl butt) but having fantasies about the unachievable is extremely normal.

Being a spunky anime anything sounds exhausting. I could handle being Totoro.

 

[Stoicism Is For Losers]

A close relative of mine was groomed on a forum in the late 00's to troon out, he suffered horribly from it. He stopped going to school and is almost 30 now and only have finished grade 9.
But a few months ago, he finally realized it was all bullshit and he is a man after all, luckily he never got his dick chopped off but he did go through HRT so now he will need breast reduction surgery.
But the mental damage is already done and he is socially crippled and cant even stand being seen by other people and hasn't been out of the direct vicinity of the house in 10 years. The self-harm behavior and inability to go out made him into a total ball and chain for the ones he lives with who cant leave him to his own devices for more than a few hours before risking him slitting his wrists open and he will never accompany anyone, not even for something as simple as going to the store.

Even if you dont get your dick turned inside out you'll still suffer long lasting damage. Never troon out.

 

[2525ABC]

Top hat me, I’m seething and cannot cope.

All the feels, that's fucking awful.
If she's at all open to online support networks, direct her to the Mumsnet trans widows escape committee ( Latest installment).
It can be a weird community, but if she posts her story to that thread she will get instant massive support from everyone (they hate AGPs) and specific tactical help from women who've been there.

ETA: if you're not familiar it's a normie mum space but it's anon so terfery thrives. It's a safe comfy hangout for the nicest of middle aged ladies, the front-page can get a bit bitchy but the support threads are closely guarded without being hugboxes.

 

[Lindy64]

Is there any way I could help someone? Like, legitimate question here. I know the farms is probably the last place I'd go for actual advice buttt I don't know where else I can ask this type of shit so here goes nothing

Basically there's some girl I once talked to on Discord, a friend from a couple years ago, she's like, 18 now, I think? Autistic too I believe. Anyway I'm pretty sure she's identified as a guy for like, at least a year and a half now, or something. I dunno. But, it legitimately concerns me, because I had saw a message from her from december saying she was going to get on hormones on January 4th, aka, this year. I'm not close to this person really that much at all, but I'm still concerned and I don't want someone to be lost to that kind of thing. Is there anything I could do to persuade them before it's too late or would that be a hopeless case? Like, any studies, or tactics I could use? I'm really not looking to antagonize them, just help, even if they don't necessarily ask for it.

 

[LinkinParkxNaruto[AMV]]

. Is there anything I could do to persuade them before it's too late or would that be a hopeless case?

Honestly i don't think so. You can try speaking your mind in the kindest way possible but you should be fully prepared for either them quietly distancing or for it to turn into an open conflict. Either way your name will now be on their shit list . I think it still might be worth it in case they eventually exhaust their cicle and if they finally sober up they might remember the people who were honest with them from the start, but don't hold your breath. Knowing what i know now i'd just deal with my own feeling about it on my own and stay clear of the person.

Almost every instance of someone drinking the troonshine involves them burning every bridge. Not even family and intimate friends have too much power over a manic person with fragile ego, maybe if society as a whole would wrangle them better but if they find doctors and support groups and online communities validating then off they go, not coming down from that cloud in a while.

No matter how much sense you make and how good your intentions are they will see you as an antagonist thats being toxic and will feel like scratching you from their lives will be better so they can start their new self with their new family of retards who validate their insanity and hype them up. You are now the fake friend who doesn't support them in their blossoming, how could you do this, you must not want them to be happy, you monster, and so on.

 

[Kiwi No.4989]

Is there anything I could do to persuade them

Unlikely. I'm trying to do this myself. The "debate" is still ongoing. (Her only arguments are "transphobia!" and "that's not true!" and "you're not respecting me!" - braindead takes so prepare your notes accordingly.)

Then the farms reminded me how retarded of a move that was - like trying to convince a drug addict that drugs are bad. Except the rest of society is giving them asspats for being so brave! You're not gonna save them. They're never gonna come back a few months later and tell you "you were right." They can really only realize it for themselves if what they've done was right for their life.

The only hope you have is hopefully they still values your friendship enough to not just cut you off immediately and you seed enough doubt to keep them away from surgery.

I'm kinda angry right now. Fucking tiktok.

 

[monstrous bubo]

Is there any way I could help someone?

Just my two bits worth… this girl is in a cult. Nothing you say to persuade her out of it will work at this point. What she needs is someone gently leading her to question this herself. Being told she’s wrong will just make her defensive.

What can help is listening and asking respectful questions. That way you show you’re not a threat (so she won’t get defensive and cut you off) but you can sow some seeds of doubt.

So she says she’s really a man. Ask gently what that feels like. If you’re male, you can gently respond that that’s interesting, as you never really thought of those as just male things, because you know girls like that. Or that you never really think about gender, because there are so many ways to be a girl or boy.

You want to gently probe this rigid thinking, but not with an attitude of ”you’re wrong” - keep it more like „that’s so interesting, i just have never felt / encountered that because…[insert reality, but pitched as your experience]”.

Another tactic used by cult experts is talking about other cults. If you and her can agree that it’s so crazy the way Nexium kept control over people, or the way those people over there have rigid gender roles, she might start to see parallels with her own hugbox.

Good luck!

 

[Fapcop]

Is there any way I could help someone? Like, legitimate question here. I know the farms is probably the last place I'd go for actual advice buttt I don't know where else I can ask this type of shit so here goes nothing

Basically there's some girl I once talked to on Discord, a friend from a couple years ago, she's like, 18 now, I think? Autistic too I believe. Anyway I'm pretty sure she's identified as a guy for like, at least a year and a half now, or something. I dunno. But, it legitimately concerns me, because I had saw a message from her from december saying she was going to get on hormones on January 4th, aka, this year. I'm not close to this person really that much at all, but I'm still concerned and I don't want someone to be lost to that kind of thing. Is there anything I could do to persuade them before it's too late or would that be a hopeless case? Like, any studies, or tactics I could use? I'm really not looking to antagonize them, just help, even if they don't necessarily ask for it.

I’d just ask her if she considered that she will never have a functioning penis, that people will only refer to her as male out of politeness, that she never had a male upbringing nor experienced genuine male masculinization of her body, and that men will never think of her as a fellow man.

But all that shit is unlikely to help. Cults program their members against critical thinking.

Maybe gently ask about whether her “dysphoria” is gone (it isn’t) or whether she’s happier (she isn’t) and gently push her towards a realization?