Pokémon (Not-So) Griefing Thread - Scarlet and Violet Released with 10 Million Copies in First 3 Days in Buggy States

I asked this in the tabletop game thread but didn't really get a bite but is anyone here interested in joining a Pokemon Tabletop game?

We play an older version of Pokemon Tabletop Adventures with some homebrew/houserules which ends at Gen 7 Pokemon. Game time is 8ish pm EST on Tuesdays, Wednesdays or Thursdays and end around 12 or 1 am. We use Discord for VC and Roll20 for the tabletop. No experience with the game or even tabletop rpgs need, the current two players are pretty new as well.
 
I asked this in the tabletop game thread but didn't really get a bite but is anyone here interested in joining a Pokemon Tabletop game?

We play an older version of Pokemon Tabletop Adventures with some homebrew/houserules which ends at Gen 7 Pokemon. Game time is 8ish pm EST on Tuesdays, Wednesdays or Thursdays and end around 12 or 1 am. We use Discord for VC and Roll20 for the tabletop. No experience with the game or even tabletop rpgs need, the current two players are pretty new as well.
Sounds cool and all, but
Discord for VC and Roll20 for the tabletop
 
I asked this in the tabletop game thread but didn't really get a bite but is anyone here interested in joining a Pokemon Tabletop game?

We play an older version of Pokemon Tabletop Adventures with some homebrew/houserules which ends at Gen 7 Pokemon. Game time is 8ish pm EST on Tuesdays, Wednesdays or Thursdays and end around 12 or 1 am. We use Discord for VC and Roll20 for the tabletop. No experience with the game or even tabletop rpgs need, the current two players are pretty new as well.
I'm interested but I'm unlikely to play due to time zone.
 
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Poltchageist is going to replace both Sinistea nd Polteageist.
In what way literally ever? If a regional fake/variant is included in a region, GameFreak always put the original in its dex too just in case people want to transfer the originals in (or because they’re retarded idk). Hell, both Tentacool and Diglett are more than encounterable in Paldea’s dex, and the same goes for every single Hisuian mon that got something last game.

If you mean in terms of marketing, the take is equally-as stupid. GF is already pushing for comparison between Poltcha and Poltea as seen in its 20-second reveal trailer, where the literal only footage is a pan of Poltcha’s 3D model and then an in-game comparison between the two, very blatantly showing off that Poltea is returning.

If you mean in your ROM hack, ignore my sperging and continue. But in literally any other context, Poltcha isn’t replacing anything.
 
In what way literally ever? If a regional fake/variant is included in a region, GameFreak always put the original in its dex too just in case people want to transfer the originals in (or because they’re retarded idk). Hell, both Tentacool and Diglett are more than encounterable in Paldea’s dex, and the same goes for every single Hisuian mon that got something last game.

If you mean in terms of marketing, the take is equally-as stupid. GF is already pushing for comparison between Poltcha and Poltea as seen in its 20-second reveal trailer, where the literal only footage is a pan of Poltcha’s 3D model and then an in-game comparison between the two, very blatantly showing off that Poltea is returning.

If you mean in your ROM hack, ignore my sperging and continue. But in literally any other context, Poltcha isn’t replacing anything.
Tell me where I can find Tentacool in SV.
 
Tell me where I can find Tentacool in SV.
Is it not in the North Paldean Sea?

EDIT: What the fuck, it isn't. It's not even in the game. In that case, I'm lost. What hellish Mandela effect is this? What even is this logic?


And why did they make Diglett available but not fucking Tentacruel, which rocks?? Blasphemy!!
 
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Is it not in the North Paldean Sea?

EDIT: What the fuck, it isn't. It's not even in the game. In that case, I'm lost. What hellish Mandela effect is this? What even is this logic?


And why did they make Diglett available but not fucking Tentacruel, which rocks?? Blasphemy!!
They were in PLA, maybe thats what you remember.
 
In what way literally ever? If a regional fake/variant is included in a region, GameFreak always put the original in its dex too just in case people want to transfer the originals in (or because they’re retarded idk). Hell, both Tentacool and Diglett are more than encounterable in Paldea’s dex, and the same goes for every single Hisuian mon that got something last game.

If you mean in terms of marketing, the take is equally-as stupid. GF is already pushing for comparison between Poltcha and Poltea as seen in its 20-second reveal trailer, where the literal only footage is a pan of Poltcha’s 3D model and then an in-game comparison between the two, very blatantly showing off that Poltea is returning.

If you mean in your ROM hack, ignore my sperging and continue. But in literally any other context, Poltcha isn’t replacing anything.
Whoops. I pu that wrong.

By 'replace', I am referring in respec to the current region. Barring special trades or encounters, you normally find only the regional variant of a Pokémon. In Alola, Cubone always evolves into Alolan Marowak even if both Marowaks are programmed in the game and technically placed in the Pokédex; you only meet Kantonian Marowak if you battle a tourist. The same thing applies in Paldea: you encounter only Paldean Wooper natively, not Johtonian Wooper. The same thing applies with convergent formes (which are functionally regional variants, anyway): you encounter Toedscool, no Tentacool.

The important part is tha they tend to 'replace' one-to-one. Sometimes, they become the base of their specific evolutions: Obstagoon comes to mind. My theory is that Poltchageist is in reverse, meant o be both 'Paldean' Sinistea nd 'Paldean' Polteageist a the same time, since GameFreak is pushing comparisons between Poltchageist and Polteageist, bu the official material is comparing Poltchageist with Sinistea.
 
Whoops. I pu that wrong.

By 'replace', I am referring in respec to the current region. Barring special trades or encounters, you normally find only the regional variant of a Pokémon. In Alola, Cubone always evolves into Alolan Marowak even if both Marowaks are programmed in the game and technically placed in the Pokédex; you only meet Kantonian Marowak if you battle a tourist. The same thing applies in Paldea: you encounter only Paldean Wooper natively, not Johtonian Wooper. The same thing applies with convergent formes (which are functionally regional variants, anyway): you encounter Toedscool, no Tentacool.

The important part is tha they tend to 'replace' one-to-one. Sometimes, they become the base of their specific evolutions: Obstagoon comes to mind. My theory is that Poltchageist is in reverse, meant o be both 'Paldean' Sinistea nd 'Paldean' Polteageist a the same time, since GameFreak is pushing comparisons between Poltchageist and Polteageist, bu the official material is comparing Poltchageist with Sinistea.
in which case I will disagree, not only because of the comparison shot in the trailer but because regular wooper is encounterable in the DLC (as well as available in a trade in the base game) even though paldean supposedly "replaced" it for this game

it's also worth noting that the two "regional fakes" introduced so far are both based on two-stage families that still evolved into "regional fakes" of their original inspirations' evolved forms (instead of combining traits of either and/or not evolving "as replacement"). They're also both based on Kanto mon, though, so using them as evidence that there won't be changed might be misguided.
I don't think it is, though. The new Paradoxes still follow all "established Paradox rules" (dual typing, no evolution or prevolution even if its inspiration originally had one, more hair + eyeliner and yellow eyes for past or roboticization for future, etc) so I don't think the regional fakes will be an exception outside of expanding what species a regional fake can be based off of.
 
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in which case I will disagree, not only because of the comparison shot in the trailer but because regular wooper is encounterable in the DLC (as well as available in a trade in the base game)
...hence why I barred trades.

even though paldean supposedly "replaced" it for this game
I know that 'replace' is the wrong word. I just do not kno which word is the appropriate one.

it's also worth noting that the two "regional fakes" introduced so far are both based on two-stage families that still evolved into "regional fakes" of their original inspirations' evolved forms (instead of combining traits of either and/or not evolving "as replacement"). They're also both based on Kanto mon, though, so using them as evidence that there won't be changed might be misguided.
I do no think that would be misguided.
I am just confused on why the website said 'It may resemble Sinistea at a glance,' even though all other evidence and intuition points to Poltchageist being a 'regional fake' of Polteageist.
 
...hence why I barred trades.
Hence why I put it in parentheses
I know you barred trades, I just mentioned it anyways because not many people seem to know about that particular trade and I felt it was relevant to my point despite the rules of the dicussion

I know that 'replace' is the wrong word. I just do not kno which word is the appropriate one.
Fair enough; I won't argue if that's not really what you mean. I was operating under the assumption that you meant replace somewhat literally.

I am just confused on why the website said 'It may resemble Sinistea at a glance,' even though all other evidence and intuition points to Poltchageist being a 'regional fake' of Polteageist.
Exactly so that you know it's a regional fake, actually. A phrase similar to that one crops up a lot when TPCi refer to them- the first sentences in both Toedscool and Wiglett's Violet Pokedex entries are "Though it looks like Diglett/Tentacool", and Wiglett's description on the official site also speaks in similar terms.
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There should be an area programmed into the games where you could evolve your mons into their counterpart from their respective region.
Like you can't breed regular Weezing in Galar, your Koffing will always evolve into Doug Dimmadome.

In the older games you could at least transfer one version exclusive from a friend and then breed for the perfect Pokemon.
This problem not only affects regional variants. Clefable was a big player in Gen 8 OU, but you had to have Teleport on it to utilize Wish and get a favorable switch-in that outspeeds the opponent. Same with Kantonian Slowbro with Regenerator. But It only gets Teleport as a TM in Let's go.

You basically have to own every single game to make the perfect pokemon there, then transfer it over to the newest game via Pokemon Home and teach the additonal moves there, using ability capsules to get the ability you want.
I totally understand Wolfe and other competitive players hacking so much.
 
Hence why I put it in parentheses
I know you barred trades, I just mentioned it anyways because not many people seem to know about that particular trade and I felt it was relevant to my point despite the rules of the dicussion
Oops. Excuse my exceptionalism.

Exactly so that you know it's a regional fake, actually. A phrase similar to that one crops up a lot when TPCi refer to them- the first sentences in both Toedscool and Wiglett's Violet Pokedex entries are "Though it looks like Diglett/Tentacool", and Wiglett's description on the official site also speaks in similar terms.
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...a stock phrase, right?

Either way, if my theory is right, then I would only need to put Sinistea, Polteageist, and Poltchageist in my hack. I would have to move th Egg (which I planned recently on doing, anyway), bu they would occupy all remaining slots. Unless a new mon gets announced, my dex would be full. Also, there would be only one forme of Sinistea nd Polteageist, since the differences in forme do not matter, especially since th evolution method would be a Poison Stone, instead. (That would be a relation to deadly, poisioned tea, though the real reason is because I wanted to give the Poison Stone another use after I got rid of the Bellsprout line, whereas my still-theoretical hack already had a lot of Moon Stone users, anyway.

At leas the Moon Ball gets more use, now.)
 
Th is definitely wishful thinking, but I plan on doing a Pokemon SunMoon-style Championship Title Defence in my hack, especially since, if you lose, whoever beat you becomes the new Champion.
*reads*
The Champion Assessment could put a damper on that, though. Then again, I plan on a rechallengeabl Elite Four, though those plans involve replacing Larry in th Elite Fou rematches because I feel bad regarding him.

If I ever get an idea on how to implemen Title Defences in the story, then wha trainers would battle you in a Championship Title Challenge? I say Nemona (the former champion who is very eager in battling you) and Geeta (the Champion that you challenge canonically).
I am also thinking of having a few Kiwis here be cameos here in the hack, complete wi their own teams.
 
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I took part in Day One of GO Fest's global run, it wasn't too bad outside of the Shiny selections being a bit ass and many of them being available prior to the event. That said I did manage to get a grand total of 27 Shinies and 3 of the 5 new Shinies (6 out of 9 if you include the Shiny version of those craptastic costumed Pikachus they always introduce) introduced during the event.

Day 2 appears to be more of the same but with more emphasis on raiding since Mega Rayquaza becomes more widely available during this half. I'm seeing people on Twitter bitching about only getting 20 or so Shinies on Day 2 but if my experiences with past global Go Fest events is any indication that tends to be the norm, while there is an increased Shiny rate on Day 2 it's never as high as Day 1's (Day 1 tends to be set between the 1/25 odds for Community Days and the 1/64 odds certain rare Pokemon while Day 2 tends to be firmly set at 1/64 odds).
There should be an area programmed into the games where you could evolve your mons into their counterpart from their respective region.
Like you can't breed regular Weezing in Galar, your Koffing will always evolve into Doug Dimmadome.
Agreed, there's a lot that GF could do to fix regional Pokémon that evolve from a standardized basic form (I'm partial to the way they fixed Sylveon's requirements after they melded affection and happiness in Gen VIII). Thankfully it appears that GF is aware of the issue and plans on hopefully addressing it in future titles since they're pretty vocal about encountering Alolan Exeggutor in The Indigo Disk's Terarium area.
In the older games you could at least transfer one version exclusive from a friend and then breed for the perfect Pokemon.
This actually got a bit better in SV, all you have to do is use the Union Circle feature with the game version opposite of yours and that version's exclusive Pokémon will spawn in your game for as long as you stay connected to the opposite version, it even works in Area Zero and causes Past and Future Paradox Pokémon to spawn. You're kind of out of luck on Koraidon/Miraidon but that's always been the case for Legendaries if you don't factor in event giveaways.
This problem not only affects regional variants. Clefable was a big player in Gen 8 OU, but you had to have Teleport on it to utilize Wish and get a favorable switch-in that outspeeds the opponent. Same with Kantonian Slowbro with Regenerator. But It only gets Teleport as a TM in Let's go.
That was also addressed in SV (or PLA if we're being technical here) as well, but only in the sense that movesets don't transfer over between games. Pokémon HOME will remember the move sets each Pokémon had in any game it can be transferred to (with the move set displayed in HOME reflecting on the last game it was transferred from) but the move set will be always be reset on arrival to a new game.
You basically have to own every single game to make the perfect pokemon there, then transfer it over to the newest game via Pokemon Home and teach the additonal moves there, using ability capsules to get the ability you want.
That's always been the case in theory, I know that in order to have access to some specific builds you'd have to have games going as far back as Gen III since some moves were exclusive to either a spin-off title, Move Tutor, or an event from those past Gens.

Oh, and Abilities shouldn't be an issue anymore since HOME's 3.1.0 update will actually fix an issue where changed Abilites aren't carried over to other game.
I totally understand Wolfe and other competitive players hacking so much.
I can understand it to some extent but my sympathy kind of wavers when you hack certain Pokémon but forget to add in the necessary data to make it look like it was actually generated by the games in question. GF could always introduce better hack checks in the future, under those new hack checks that would flag the funky data and get competitors DQ'd from tournaments. And I think that bit about future hack checks is part of the reason why Kaphotics keeps posting his "tournaments in review" bit where he goes over the data of some of the competitors' teams and points out the various fuck-ups made when genning said Pokémon, he's trying to teach people how to hack responsibly but VGC competitors are too busy getting their panties in a twist to notice since he's basically airing out their DIRTY, CRAPPED BRIEFS for everyone to see.
 
There should be an area programmed into the games where you could evolve your mons into their counterpart from their respective region.
Like you can't breed regular Weezing in Galar, your Koffing will always evolve into Doug Dimmadome.

In the older games you could at least transfer one version exclusive from a friend and then breed for the perfect Pokemon.
This problem not only affects regional variants. Clefable was a big player in Gen 8 OU, but you had to have Teleport on it to utilize Wish and get a favorable switch-in that outspeeds the opponent. Same with Kantonian Slowbro with Regenerator. But It only gets Teleport as a TM in Let's go.

You basically have to own every single game to make the perfect pokemon there, then transfer it over to the newest game via Pokemon Home and teach the additonal moves there, using ability capsules to get the ability you want.
I totally understand Wolfe and other competitive players hacking so much.
They will make it Pokemon home only and add a subscription paywall to it.

It’s completely reasonable to hack in pokemon when GF makes it impossible to get them normally for offline PVE play. In the day and age of ai generated overworld maps, there’s no excuse for this.

S/V is a gen 8 game. They just jumped the gun for marketing. It’s not much of a difference from sw/sh and it’s like the small leap and larger amount of polishing from x/y to ORAS.
 
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