Pokémon (Not-So) Griefing Thread - Scarlet and Violet Released with 10 Million Copies in First 3 Days in Buggy States

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related: where’d you get that screenshot from?

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[Archeops]

Looks like news outlets in Japan got to try out the DLC, we've got a small amount of new info.

Spoiler

New TMs are in being introduced in the DLC with Grassy Glide, Burning Jealousy, Lash Out, Poltergeist, and Toxic being shown via Famitsu.

More apparel, hairstyles, picnic supplies are available in the Kitakami Center. For some weird reason it was pointed out that you can now rearrange the chairs when you set up a picnic.

The Ogre Oustin' mini-game can also provide Tera Shards alongside the previously revealed EV-boosting/resetting mochi. There are three levels of difficulty (Beginner, Intermediate, and Advanced) and you can have friends play alongside you to complete it.

New items are introduced and the EXP Charm from SWSH's DLC returns.

The Roto-Stick that allows you to take better in-game selfies with your Pokémon can also play music that your Pokémon can react to. You can also share photos with friends via the Union Circle feature.

We're a week plus a day away from The Teal Mask's drop date so I wouldn't be surprised if more news comes out between now and then.

 

[Anonitolia]

More apparel, hairstyles, picnic supplies are available in the Kitakami Center.

“give us money to use a feature that used to be free and included within the base games of previous gens” is becoming one of my least favorite recurring patterns

For some weird reason it was pointed out that you can now rearrange the chairs when you set up a picnic.

they literally have nothing else to show lol the rest of the demo talks about extremely minor shit like getting your Pokémon to notice you in photo mode and very basic difficulty-select modes for the recycled Arceus bike races

remember: they want $35 dollars for this

 

[GigantorUnitron]

So question. Is there anything in these game's coding that make it so they can't have a skin tone slider? You'd think with how they've been embracing the global market since the 3ds era that they would put that in.

 

[Lucille Bluth]

With the 10th anniversary of Gen 6's release, I hope we'll get more information on the Draconid tribe of Hoenn. In OR/AS, they seem to be one of the first peoples of the Hoenn region and worship Rayquaza. Though who knows. Maybe they're like Legends: Arceus where many people in Sinnoh aren't native to Sinnoh, but descendants of immigrants from all over the Pokemon world.

So question. Is there anything in these game's coding that make it so they can't have a skin tone slider? You'd think with how they've been embracing the global market since the 3ds era that they would put that in.

I don't think so, but perhaps someone else would have a better answer. There's a lot of details that you'd think would be in the games by now but aren't. It did take until gen 6 to have real trainer customization, and even then, that was supposed to be a gimmick unique to Kalos until popularity brought it back to some extent.

 

[AnotherPleb]

Personally I feel like the Ursaluna variant is just worse. It has the hammer variant, but it's missing a few things that the regular Ursaluna has. For one, Normal/Ground is arguably defensively better. You trade a water and grass weakness for a quad fighting weakness, a ground weakness, and a fire weakness. Don't forget the meta's dominated by Great Tusk in general, and Steel is just really hurt by being paired with normal. Offensively, Steel is a pretty bad STAB compared to ground... and then there's the big one. The new variant lacks Guts, and Flame Orb Guts Facade is what makes Ursaluna offensively. Intimidate's still nice... but there's still the quad fighting weakness in a meta prepared for Kingambit so it is not placed defensively at all.

I'm not saying it's bad - the raw defensive profile is still wild. It's still weaker thanks to the really bad typing. I think it might have a home in the lower tiers, but the new Ursaluna is most hurt by the fact that the Hisuian variant acts as a check thanks to headlong rush. High UU for sure, but I don't think it has a spot in OU.

 

[UCT]

So question. Is there anything in these game's coding that make it so they can't have a skin tone slider? You'd think with how they've been embracing the global market since the 3ds era that they would put that in.

Honestly without knowing the inner workings of all the companies attached, my only reasoning is that Game Freak are just bad developers. I mean people want to complain how much worse they are now, but I’ll contend that they have always been bad at their jobs since day one.

I mean from what I can tell the best parts of S/V we’re the Pokémon models which I believe was handle by Creatures Inc. then just look back at the history of the franchise and see how broken their games were, getting away with it mainly because they were on a handheld system.

Like being frank I actually do enjoy S/V in spite of how badly programmed and designed they are. I just think like any other developer within Nintendo could make a better game than GF ever could. Because you can’t use the Switch is weak line, when Monolith was able to make Xenoblade X on the Wii U. A game with a much bigger world, with more going on, with better and more varied movement options on the Wii U of all consoles.

 

[Inafune Fanfiction]

Honestly without knowing the inner workings of all the companies attached, my only reasoning is that Game Freak are just bad developers. I mean people want to complain how much worse they are now, but I’ll contend that they have always been bad at their jobs since day one.

I mean from what I can tell the best parts of S/V we’re the Pokémon models which I believe was handle by Creatures Inc. then just look back at the history of the franchise and see how broken their games were, getting away with it mainly because they were on a handheld system.

Like being frank I actually do enjoy S/V in spite of how badly programmed and designed they are. I just think like any other developer within Nintendo could make a better game than GF ever could. Because you can’t use the Switch is weak line, when Monolith was able to make Xenoblade X on the Wii U. A game with a much bigger world, with more going on, with better and more varied movement options on the Wii U of all consoles.

Pokemon only got as big as it did because of Satoru Iwata fixing their shit to make them look good. Throw in that most Japanese artists want to do nothing but draw porn all day and you have modern game freak and no decent original pokemon since sun/moon.

The series would be better if they stopped with the stupid generational gimmicks no one cares about and went back to more new pokemon with each generation and longer postgames.

 

[UCT]

Pokemon only got as big as it did because of Satoru Iwata fixing their shit to make them look good. Throw in that most Japanese artists want to do nothing but draw porn all day and you have modern game freak and no decent original pokemon since sun/moon.

The series would be better if they stopped with the stupid generational gimmicks no one cares about and went back to more new pokemon with each generation and longer postgames.

I mean that’s a 100% prove able untrue statement, Iwata is only on record as helping with Gold and Silver but your just a liar if you don’t think Pokémon wasn’t already bigger than Jesus with the first games. So no they succeeded on their own merits, the issue was their own merits weren’t even good considering how fucking busted all the gen 1 games were.

Also I’ll extra disagree because I think almost no Pokémon except for maybe Rowlets line look good from Sun/Moon and that whole line of games is ass just for having the shitty SOS feature. Also it’s just your opinion on the Pokémon designs which is fair but I think S/V have more designs I liked then most of the games since Black/White. Except for that fucking gay pink gremlin, whole line is shit and I assume your a tranny if you like Tinkatink or whatever.

 

[NerdShamer]

Alrighty, what are you guys arguing about th--

Pokemon only got as big as it did because of Satoru Iwata fixing their shit to make them look good. Throw in that most Japanese artists want to do nothing but draw porn all day

Is there something in the water that's making you guys sperg out about the company's failings from around 30 years ago?

 

[Catgirl Tyranid]

Is there something in the water that's making you guys sperg out about the company's failings from around 30 years ago?

They can't fix modern Gamefreak so some take to complaining about past Gamefreak. The process is natural and doomed. Looking for the source of a problem in the hopes that a solution will reveal itself, but the problem and any potential solution is so far removed due the corporate structure that people get stuck in a loop eternally evaluating the failings of every era of the series.

 

[Kuchisabishii]

Very boring take, but while I find that some features being gatekept behind DLC is less than ideal, I still prefer it over having to beat the "same" game with some small tweaks twice like they used to do with third versions. Ultra S/M taught me that lesson the hard way. At least this way you get the new content on the same save.

Is there something in the water that's making you guys sperg out about the company's failings from around 30 years ago?

All us Pokespergs wish it has always been better than it actually is, but can't ever quite get the blame just right. Some say it's always been bad, some say it's always been good, the truth is somewhere on the spectrum between that and one's own rose-colored glasses.

 

[UCT]

I’m just saying Game Freak has always been a kinda of shitty developer with very visible issues from the start. That’s really it, I mean im not doom and glooming because I still enjoy the games. They have huge problems that have no reason to be there that most developers would’ve fixed by now but I still enjoy their products.

 

[NerdShamer]

but the problem and any potential solution is so far removed due the corporate structure that people get stuck in a loop eternally evaluating the failings of every era of the series

Which is why I just crack open an cold one and watch the franchise burn, nowadays

 

[The Ultimate Ramotith]

Which is why I just crack open an cold one and watch the franchise burn, nowadays

 

[BlazikenLover]

I’m just saying Game Freak has always been a kinda of shitty developer with very visible issues from the start. That’s really it, I mean im not doom and glooming because I still enjoy the games. They have huge problems that have no reason to be there that most developers would’ve fixed by now but I still enjoy their products.

I agree, people go on and on about gen 1 being busted but the truth is subsequent gens had bugged or broken mechanics that they never fixed in the third versions, gen 5 is the one gen where no bugs come to mind and most mechanics function as intended.
I am no game dev (just a regular dev) but from what I could gather through data mining of gen 7 and 8 game done by fans, gamefreak strikes me as using very outdated practices and being generally shitty at coding.
Mind you, I enjoyed SV, I liked it much more than sun and moon (the last mainline games i played before SV) simply because of how truly open it is: you have a short intro at school then you are introduced to the three "main quests and you're good to go. I feel like this time they truly tried something new and the execution wasn't awful

 

[Archeops]

Centro's getting his shit DMCA'd by NoA so there's a chance some the stuff that was previously posted (I have a feeling that it's more to do with him reporting on the new Nintendo console's specs) was legit.

I’m just saying Game Freak has always been a kinda of shitty developer with very visible issues from the start. That’s really it, I mean im not doom and glooming because I still enjoy the games. They have huge problems that have no reason to be there that most developers would’ve fixed by now but I still enjoy their products.

I think the reasons why GF hasn't been putting out bangers lately is because they still haven't gotten over the growing pains of switching from 2D games to 3D games and poor management of its developers, I remember reading something that said GF was prioritizing original projects over Pokémon-related projects.

That said I think the issues with SV had more to do with the pandemic (I can feel you groaning and eye-rolling from here) and it forcing several developers to move to a “work from home” environment, I know the Smash Bros. Dev team was forced to do that during the development of its second set of DLC characters and it’s part of the reason why Steve is busted.

Mind you, I enjoyed SV, I liked it much more than sun and moon (the last mainline games i played before SV) simply because of how truly open it is: you have a short intro at school then you are introduced to the three "main quests and you're good to go. I feel like this time they truly tried something new and the execution wasn't awful

Eh, I take issue to the “three quests” thing, while it is true you’re allowed to do it in any order the levels of each area’s Pokémon still follow a very clear order.

 

[Anonitolia]

I think the reasons why GF hasn't been putting out bangers lately is because they still haven't gotten over the growing pains of switching from 2D games to 3D games and poor management of its developers,

I think it’s just poor management of the devs and outright incompetence. Even when they were putting out bangers, you could always see cracks in the facade in one form or another (gen 3 removing day/night visibility despite there still being day/night features + Altering Cave, gen 4’s atrocious engine alongside its release-date delay and terrible balancing, gen 5’s removal of several features alongside it reusing old sprites for animating almost every old Pokémon). I don’t think a studio of their size was ever fit to handle such a gargantuan marketing machine as this- especially not the primary cog keeping the whole thing chugging along.

I remember reading something that said GF was prioritizing original projects over Pokémon-related projects.

That’s from an interview with Masuda in 2014-15ish, I think. I remember it from being around there because I know it was right after ORAS released.
Point is, it’s been nearly a decade since then and I’ve got no clue how well that holds up. I think GF has released 2 non-Pokémon games in the last half-decade, if I’m right? Pocket Jocky (that horse/card mobile game) and Little Town Hero, the latter of which bombed spectacularly and probably hurt the studio greatly. I’m guessing after that disaster they’ve concentrated more resources on Pokémon because they switched to a DLC model that would require constant, active development throughout every generation’s lifespan and wouldn’t give nearly enough time for original projects to be worth risking. It would explain why both DLC packs had totally different teams working on them compared to the main games, and I don’t know how Legends would exist without it being a Team B (formerly Gearworks) project.

Take my speculation with a grain of salt, of course; I’m no expert on a private company halfway across the world lol

 

[UCT]

Ehhhh I wont give them much hate for not doing anything with Altering Cave. I mean even the best devs have tried to add things only for something to get in the way of things. Also the other game was some platformer where you play a Elephant that I thought was the definition of mid lol.

I think the reasons why GF hasn't been putting out bangers lately is because they still haven't gotten over the growing pains of switching from 2D games to 3D games and poor management of its developers, I remember reading something that said GF was prioritizing original projects over Pokémon-related projects.

That said I think the issues with SV had more to do with the pandemic (I can feel you groaning and eye-rolling from here) and it forcing several developers to move to a “work from home” environment, I know the Smash Bros. Dev team was forced to do that during the development of its second set of DLC characters and it’s part of the reason why Steve is busted.

That’s all pretty reasonable, like I said I wasn’t too disappointed with S/V besides a few things here and there and most of my problems came from the technical side of things. Honestly if you’ve seen the concept art that came out a few weeks ago I think they need to start doing that. A main line Pokémon game with the aesthetics of Ni no kuni and Wind Waker, would be *chefs kiss*. Though that’s just my opinion, I know there’s some people that want more realism and etc from the games.

 

[Anonitolia]

Ehhhh I wont give them much hate for not doing anything with Altering Cave. I mean even the best devs have tried to add things only for something to get in the way of things.

No hate towards them lol, I just thought it was significant since gen 1/2 didn’t have much like that. When gen 4 had something similar happen with the Azure Flute it definitely seemed to be continuing on from Altering Cave, anyways.

Honestly if you’ve seen the concept art that came out a few weeks ago I think they need to start doing that.

I have no idea what you’re talking about and now I’m interested. I know it’ll make me even more disappointed in the state of the franchise… but I’m curious, damn it! Let me see so that I can realize its better parts through another extremely autistic fan project of mine!