Warhammer 40k

[IAmNotAlpharius]

The Asterians from Firefight from Mantic had the right idea and their bootleg Eldar don't fight directly but through drones. But GW has always been retarded when writting long lived races in decline. High elves died im droves yet could keep multiple theaters of war. Wood Elves at least stuck to their tree and Harlequins rarely act directly (or at least used to be the case), but the High and Eldar are always there face first.

When they first launched I appreciated the thought they put into the asterians. Using drones for almost everyone means they don’t have to risk taking actual losses. Something a long lived, low reproducing, and endangered race should really strive to do. I remember they had a few units like their commanders and space wood elves that would actually be on the field, but it made sense to reduce the risk to their species.

Reminds of a retard from a 40k chat group (don't know why I stick there...) that would constantly post "look what I got". There was no way in hell he was even building stuff at any rate to cover how much shit he bought. Guy was also functionally retarded, played one game of 9th with him and I swore never again, I knew his rules better than him and I didn't play that much 9th either.

Some of the biggest whales never play. And could probably open a store with their backlog.

To get my miniatute fix I focus in other games. Played some KoW today after a long time without doing it and it's still great.

I haven’t played third edition KoW but I enjoyed first and second. I even got their historical book, which was more based on pop history films than anything else. My friend and I had a lot of fun mixing historical with fantasy lists for the hell of it.

Mantics minis have gotten better over the years. I got their elves, undead, and their og dwarves… the undead were alright but the elves have not held up at all.

I backed first edition of dead zone. Never played it though. I found some of their resin more annoying than failcast so I haven’t purchased anything from dead zone recently but I have been looking at their guard equivalent and their halo game.

 

[AncientPhosphur]

The people who spew on social media about their "insane WH purchases" honestly probably do not even own anything. Because if they actually owned $20K worth of WH Fantasy and 40K miniatures each year they'd literally never have to leave their home with the amount of assembling and painting they would need to be doing day and night.

Some also just use it for kit bashing or dioramas or just to have a bit box as well.

 

[ShitLurker]

Speaking of the Alpha Legion

When they first launched I appreciated the thought they put into the asterians. Using drones for almost everyone means they don’t have to risk taking actual losses. Something a long lived, low reproducing, and endangered race should really strive to do. I remember they had a few units like their commanders and space wood elves that would actually be on the field, but it made sense to reduce the risk to their species.

It just makes sense, you either fight smart or die off. Eldar should realistically be mostly composed of spectral guard and their handlers and focus all their efforts in making then more responsive.

I haven’t played third edition KoW but I enjoyed first and second. I even got their historical book, which was more based on pop history films than anything else. My friend and I had a lot of fun mixing historical with fantasy lists for the hell of it.

I haven't played 1 or 2, but KoW is definitely the best thing I'm playing now. OPR Grimdark is more an excuse to collect resin Eldar though I do enjoy playing it when I do thanks to how quick it is. I used to love warmachine till it killed itself and Malifaux before it got too bloated for me, KoW is a nice mix of simple to play but with depth. And KoW really lets the imagination flow with how mini agnostic it is.

Mantics minis have gotten better over the years. I got their elves, undead, and their og dwarves… the undead were alright but the elves have not held up at all.

Though yeah, they have improved a lot. I'd say from the Abyssal Dwarf release onward everything is very solid and their new plastics are absolute ace. The dwarfs on crow kits are fantastic and have enough extra bits to make another 2 out of a box of 2 if you manage to build extra bodies by sculpting or cloning with blue stuff or whatever.

I backed first edition of dead zone. Never played it though. I found some of their resin more annoying than failcast so I haven’t purchased anything from dead zone recently but I have been looking at their guard equivalent and their halo game.

Heard a lot of good things about Deadzone but haven't tried it yet. Honestly, the firefight line I find very lacking visually, hoping the new Asterian kits will be a stark improvement. Only the enforcer line seems alright and I already have too much dwarf like stuff to go with Forgefathers.

And yeah, the Mantic resin is... very detailed yet feels like if you breathe on it, it will explode. Built the Riftforged orc manticore riders, beautiful models but they had a few bubbles and feel very delicate. Thankfully mantic vault opens a lot of options to print stuff with better resins.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

Don't confuse boycott with apathy. One is fueled by anger, the other is just nothingness.

Both GW and Disney have been fucking with their consumer base for years. As far back as 2017 for Disney, and even longer in the case of GW, around 30 years at this point. It's just that the latter is less affected than the former.

Disney WISHES they had fans as "loyal" and profitable as GW's.

 

[Sargon's wife's son]

I have an idea, name the thing you hate most about current 40K lore.

I hate sapient Necrons, they ruined the unstoppable eldritch horror aspect of old school necrons who just wake up and kill shit until they're killed in kind. Now they have allegiances and can be reasoned with & negotiated with, arguably more so than the Eldar.

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heven though it stated several times he was a teacher of commissar that it doesn't have an overall effect on how they act towards there units that are in charge of I mean if he is supposedly one of the greatest heroes of the imperium then people should want to emulate him and his style of leadership rather than continue on with ineffective tactics.

Also I know they just wanna keep selling me the same tank models but seriously the imperium should have tanks that don't look like chunk of the asset mixtures of World War 2 and World War One tanks
the only people who get newer futuristic looking tanks of the adeptus custodies and now they're all lesbian looking ball dakes.

There's nothing wrong with having tanks that look like real world tanks but with the futuristic warhammer twist also what is with then forgetting the idea that man portable missile launchers exist for anti aircraft use.

Long range ballistic missiles apparently those just stopped existing in the grim darkness of the 44th Millennium I mean I know they have some models that have them but you should be able to blow up the space communists from across the map with ballistic missiles.

Also hate how they change that you can't have people who will have half elf because that could have created an extremely cool chapter of space marines that are all half space elves who have extremely potent psychic abilities and are somewhat tolerated by the inquisition.


I know xenophobia funny and all but seriously the imperium used to be a lot more reasonable when it came to diplomacy in the old editions.

and if they wanted to make female space marines you can make one of the missing primarchs female and having all female legion.

there's not a space marine chapter who specializes in support

make them work very closely with the Astra militarum and the imperial Navy and for a bonus you could give them all psychic abilities that allow them to use the psychic powers to heal people .
and just state that this is the only female space marine legion and none of the other ones are capable of allowing women.
Read out some ******** how all the other primarchs mikes wouldn't stop being overly protective of that primarchs cause she's the youngest and something something male instinct.
Hell you can even justify the idea of then referring to them as brother as something which has more to do with battle brother and the concept of brotherhood rather than the other meaning of it .

Also make the legion have extreme empathy for children and wanna protect them make them extremely effeminate that would really **** everyone off

 

[Felis Meanis]

It's curious to see the braindead takes in the tune of "we need to gatekeep11!".

What hope could your autistic ass possibly have of gatekeeping an IP not in your keeping?

Let this be a lesson of the folly of consooming.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

It's curious to see the braindead takes in the tune of "we need to gatekeep11!".

What hope could your autistic ass possibly have of gatekeeping an IP not in your keeping?

Let this be a lesson of the folly of consooming.

Well, it's not like these people honestly believe they can gatekeep an IP that isn't theirs. They just want to get clicks by preaching to the crowd.

If they were actually serious, they'd try to convince right-leaning billionaires to buy a controlling stock in GW, and with that, they could actually gatekeep something that their allies actually own. They don't. It's all ''WARHAMMER IS GOING WOKE, IT'S BOYCOTT TIME'' without having an actual plan to win or force GW to heel. This ''boycott'' will fail like every other time they tried it over GW's shenanigans, and people will forget about it just like they forgot about GW's past actions like hiking up the price tag and the lore rape with the Primaris Marines.

 

[Humble Architect]

Well, it's not like these people honestly believe they can gatekeep an IP that isn't theirs. They just want to get clicks by preaching to the crowd.

If they were actually serious, they'd try to convince right-leaning billionaires to buy a controlling stock in GW, and with that, they could actually gatekeep something that their allies actually own. They don't. It's all ''WARHAMMER IS GOING WOKE, IT'S BOYCOTT TIME'' without having an actual plan to win or force GW to heel. This ''boycott'' will fail like every other time they tried it over GW's shenanigans, and people will forget about it just like they forgot about GW's past actions like hiking up the price tag and the lore rape with the Primaris Marines.

This, laugh at gay shit (homo marines) where necessary but the fags who are outraged and grandstanding their LARP by a minor, shitty faction getting messed with can kindly and preferably quietly fuck off.

You ain’t taking a stand, your boycott means dick and you aren’t hot shit for the brave choice of not buying plastic army men.

It’s gonna have been a week soon, get over it, if you weren’t leaving when actually important shit was happening (price hikes) then you aren’t leaving now.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

This, laugh at gay shit (homo marines) where necessary but the fags who are outraged by a minor, shitty faction getting messed with can kindly and preferably quietly fuck off.

You ain’t taking a stand, your boycott means dick and you aren’t hot shit for the brave choice of not buying plastic army men.

It’s gonna have been a week soon, get over it, if you weren’t leaving when actually important shit was happening (price hikes) then you aren’t leaving now.

It's basically the right-wing equivalent of left-wing slacktivism at this point. Yes, we'll all stand together, yes, we'll boycott big bad GW, but then the next box set gets sold out and the scalpers are selling it for 2-3 times the original selling price on Ebay, and even they're going to be sold out eventually.

The price hikes alone should've caused these fans to turn away. That's more important than lore-rape with the Primaris Marines or the Fem-Custodes. That actually impacts people in real life instead of a fictional lore. But they sucked it up back then despite complaining about it. So the idea that GW's consumers will leave over this minor lore rape when GW has been raping the lore and jacking up prices for decades is laughable.

 

[CryptoHermit]

Nah some of the best 40k fiction in recent years has come out of the Necrons retcon, Infinite and the Divine and the Twice Dead King books come to mind.

They're alot more interesting than rip off terminator "Chaos Androids". Necrons are my favourite 40k faction by far though so I'm biased.

The thing I dislike about modern 40k the most is how they handle Chaos, they're beaten constantly in the lore but still somehow advance their goals all the time through some shadowy side objective or something, just let them have some proper wins ffs.

They've been edging people with what the Dark Mechanicum have been cooking up in the Eye of Terror for 20 years now and all we got were the venomcrawler and vex machinator along with negavolt cultists in the Blackstone Fortress game that kinda stalled out. I would have thought they would have gone balls deep with daemon engines considering how much of a centrepiece they could be. The Defiler was always cool asf to see. Same with these things. I've been keeping an eye on Necromunda releases for a while now. Nobody here in my area plays it but I do like their designs. The Delaque make great fodder for Chaos Kill Team kitbashing.

 

[Sargon's wife's son]

They've been edging people with what the Dark Mechanicum have been cooking up in the Eye of Terror for 20 years now and all we got were the venomcrawler and vex machinator along with negavolt cultists in the Blackstone Fortress game that kinda stalled out. I would have thought they would have gone balls deep with daemon engines considering how much of a centrepiece they could be. The Defiler was always cool asf to see. Same with these things. I've been keeping an eye on Necromunda releases for a while now. Nobody here in my area plays it but I do like their designs. The Delaque make great fodder for Chaos Kill Team kitbashing.

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the dark mechanicum has a lot of cool lore robotic killing machines that can create weapons
also why can't we get a branch of the mechanicus especially the adeptus biologists who focus on improving the bodies rather than replacing them that would be actually a good idea but no all tech the mechanicus have to look like cyberpunk dystopian weirdos because reasons

also you can't do experimentation because that would require GW to actually think about new ideas to create for the imperium of man

also it's annoying as **** how they completely stopped supporting battle fleet gothic can't have massive space battles because reasons

my friend has a bunch of old battle fleet gothic miniatures and you literally won't let me touch them because he says the what like 10 grand the only reason they're worth that much is because they refuse to print new ones because apparently no one ever wants to play giant space battles or you could have a multi layered game where you play battle fleet gothic depending on who gets the most fleet victories determines who has more points on the ground but that would be too complicated for GW to actually pull off because the concern with people buying plastic rather than creating a good rules set

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

also why can't we get a branch of the mechanicus especially the adeptus biologists who focus on improving the bodies rather than replacing them that would be actually a good idea but no all tech the mechanicus have to look like cyberpunk dystopian weirdos because reasons

also you can't do experimentation because that would require GW to actually think about new ideas to create for the imperium of man

Because that would actually reverse the dystopia of the Imperium. Imagine if they roll out biological improvements that make the average worker self-heal and be as strong as a Space Marine. All of a sudden living in an industrial shithole while working a factory job for 18-hour shifts isn't so bad because your body has been augmented to survive worse and you only need two hours of sleep.

Not to mention all soldiers will be superhuman, not just the Astartes, Custodes, or Sororitas. Everyone in the IG will be wading into battle with bolters and power armor while wielding power swords or thunder hammers. Goodbye grimdark universe, hello brutal capeshit. Fighting Orks who can tear Space Marines in half won't be so daunting if there's endless trillions of Space Marines waiting to be deployed.

 

[Abella]

I have an idea, name the thing you hate most about current 40K lore.

I hate sapient Necrons, they ruined the unstoppable eldritch horror aspect of old school necrons who just wake up and kill shit until they're killed in kind. Now they have allegiances and can be reasoned with & negotiated with, arguably more so than the Eldar.

Make drukhari dark eldar again.

 

[Mikoyan]

a multi layered game where you play battle fleet gothic depending on who gets the most fleet victories determines who has more points on the ground

Battlecruiser 40,000AD would be pretty interesting, yes.

Battlefleet Gothic's complete lack of interest (seemingly) has puzzled me for a long time.

 

[Humble Architect]

I never got their insistence on pointless, waste of money side games (Legiones Imperialis, Titanicus, Aeronautica) when Battlefleet (with support) could make a wonderful companion to 40k

Make /yourdudes/ flagship and fleet/iconic vessels, include parts like god marks and parts for CSM, battle damage parts, imbedded boarding pods and transfers galore.

I’d love to recreate /mydudes/ warship, “The Favoured Son” as a mini.

 

[That Chris Guy]

I have an idea, name the thing you hate most about current 40K lore.

I hate sapient Necrons, they ruined the unstoppable eldritch horror aspect of old school necrons who just wake up and kill shit until they're killed in kind. Now they have allegiances and can be reasoned with & negotiated with, arguably more so than the Eldar.

I hated it too. The C'Tan were pretty interesting to me, but now they're just fucking useless. There's no horror to modern Necrons for me - it's like the Replicators in Stargate: SG-1 all over again.

Not sure if it's my most hated part of 40K lore though. I don't like how Ghazghkull can't seem to get a definitive win on anything. He's been hamstrung fighting an old man for however-long and can't even be given the outright W for it, and then he gets decapitated by Space Marine #17893521.

 

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Anyone remember that faggot bitshammer bitching at the warhammer twitter a few years ago about a 4chan post claiming to be an executive or something at GW?

I remember the post basically said 'so long as I am here there will never be female marines' if we take that as true, that means until now this person has been able to stop the faggotory because it's all been in house however he wouldn't be able to do shit with investors willing to do anything for amazon bucks, if this above post is true then fem custodes was likely a concession.

I'm very wary of anything from 4chan, but I can see this being a distinct possibility.

 

[mindlessobserver]

It's the exact opposite. The lore chuds who are screaming to high hell over these changes typically haven't played a game or assembled an army for years.

In defense of Lore Chuds like myself, I am proud to say I have not given Game Workshop a solitary dollar on their minis. I have however bought some of the books and video games. Which made me think about the investment in an actual army of the minis.

But now....

 

[Iron Father]

I have however bought some of the books...

The shit you can read for free?

 

[mindlessobserver]

The shit you can read for free?

I like books I can put on a shelf.