Sony hate thread

[xXx: State of the Union]

So Nintendo has a valuable platform because of a large stable of exclusive franchises, but Microsoft shouldn't attempt to develop their own stable of exclusive franchises because their platform isn't valuable.

Sure. Makes perfect sense to me.

You're the type of guy who thinks Sega should have doubled down on the Dreamcast, huh?

Therefore it would be bad for other platforms to emulate their success?

Microsoft isn't in a position to try and emulate Nintendos business model.

Jesus Christ, are you really this blind?

 

[Vyse Inglebard]

Therefore it would be bad for other platforms to emulate their success?

Sony and Microsoft are not doing that though. That's what @xXx: State of the Union is trying to say.

 

[Ibanez RG 350EX]

You're the type of guy who thinks Sega should have doubled down on the Dreamcast, huh?

I think you're starting from the assumption that Xbox is dead no matter what and I'm starting from the assumption "how would Microsoft make the Xbox successful if they wanted to?"

 

[xXx: State of the Union]

I think you're starting from the assumption that Xbox is dead no matter what and I'm starting from the assumption "how would Microsoft make the Xbox successful if they wanted to?"

I'm starting from the fact that Xbox has just spent 69 billion on Call of Duty and Microsoft are saying "where's the fucking money?"

My assumption is that Xbox is wanting out of the console space, sees absolutely no value in being console producers, and would rather be a publisher.

It's not 2010 anymore. The traditional console business model doesn't work with AAA(A) gaming which Microsoft and Sony are all in on.

 

[Vyse Inglebard]

"how would Microsoft make the Xbox successful if they wanted to?"

you might as well ask "how would Sony make the PS5 successful if they wanted to?" spoiler alert: they don't. This entire generation has been Sony-rats and Micromice going "MY TABLE SCRAPS ARE FAR MORE FILLING THAN YOUR TABLE SCRAPS!" while the Nintendo and PC kings feast on a 5-star gourmet buffet of every game ever made (PC), and Nintendo's exclusives.

 

[Ibanez RG 350EX]

My assumption is that Xbox is wanting out of the console space, sees absolutely no value in being console producers, and would rather be a publisher.

Sure, that's fine. Hell, I wish Sony and Nintendo would do the same.

 

[xXx: State of the Union]

Sure, that's fine. Hell, I wish Sony and Nintendo would do the same.

I think Sony is trying to pivot, but they've always been a company about tech and hardware. Microsoft has been making the pivot for almost a decade now, ever since the start of Gamepass. If cloud gaming or game streaming became viable tomorrow, they'd be all in on it and say fuck Xbox consoles I think.

Nintendo would need a massive massive failure to reach the point of abandoning their hardware I think, because at the end of the day they are still a toy company at heart.

 

[Vyse Inglebard]

It's not 2010 anymore. The traditional console business model doesn't work with AAA(A) gaming which Microsoft and Sony are all in on.

Sure, that's fine. Hell, I wish Sony and Nintendo would do the same.

I am of the opinion that if Nintendo closes up shop, it'd be the end of the market entirely. To elaborate on @xXx: State of the Union's point: Sony and Microsoft are the types to burn the candle at both ends. Always have been. I dunno if it’s always been true, but at least as of the Xbox 360, the Xbox brand has never been profitable. Not even once. The strategy was always to sell hardware at a loss and make up for that in software. They do that because they charge developers to print discs.

But now the physical market is going away. And guys like Sony and Microsoft are trying to pivot to a subscription model where as long as you give them the total cost of one or two games a year, then that’s good enough for them. But that is incredibly toxic to the market, and we’re already seeing that with Microsoft’s shift in perspective where they just aren’t putting out a lot of big, exciting, great games. Game Pass is our “Netflix for Games”, including all of the parts that make Netflix suck. And see my screed about Nintendo being the only ones who are profitable right now earlier. So if Nintendo turns off the lights, that’s the end of the industry. Period. It'll still keep going on the PC, since PC being an open platform seems to give it some immunity, but console gaming will be well and fully dead at that point.

 

[Shao Khan]

And what is this "no ads" garbage?

the entire fucking home screen is just a big add for the story and plus

 

[Ibanez RG 350EX]

So if Nintendo turns off the lights, that’s the end of the industry. Period. It'll still keep going on the PC, since PC being an open platform seems to give it some immunity, but console gaming will be well and fully dead at that point.

Good.

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

Can Sony or Microsoft persuade 3rd parties to make games that would be unplayable on Switch 2?

That probably depends on how well Switch 2 sells.

Console makers do not alway have common sense. The 3d part of the 3DS went out of the window and money was wasted on it that brought up the price.

It brought up the price but wasn't why it was so expensive, Nintendo just greedily overpriced the thing to begin with. 3D was a neat gimmick that intrigued people, but not at their initial price point.

3D was absolutely a selling point in the first few years of the 3DS’s life, just like how motion control was a selling point for the first few years of the Wii’s life.

I wouldn't say it was "just like" Wii's motion controls as a selling point, there was definitely more hype around Wii's gimmick, it was ubiquitous. 3D was very interesting to a lot of people, but not to the same degree, and maybe part of that is there was never a proper Wii Sports equivalent in the sense that it really shows off what 3D brings to the table (plus Wii Sports being packed in helped).

 

[The Un-Clit]

That probably depends on how well Switch 2 sells.


It brought up the price but wasn't why it was so expensive, Nintendo just greedily overpriced the thing to begin with. 3D was a neat gimmick that intrigued people, but not at their initial price point.


I wouldn't say it was "just like" Wii's motion controls as a selling point, there was definitely more hype around Wii's gimmick, it was ubiquitous. 3D was very interesting to a lot of people, but not to the same degree, and maybe part of that is there was never a proper Wii Sports equivalent in the sense that it really shows off what 3D brings to the table (plus Wii Sports being packed in helped).

Wii Sports and especially the Trauma Centre series REALLY made the motion control worth the investment. Hell the Trauma games (especially Trauma Team) and the Zelda shooting game that came with the 'crossbow' gun mod got insane amounts of gametime in the UnClit household with a wife and two preteen girls taking up as much or more of the gametime then I did.

If Ninty can lock in a gimmick like that for the next generation (unlike the failed tab of the WiiU) they will utterly END Sony's last remaining vestiges of domination and relegate Microsoft to the Sega position of bowing out of consoles entirely.

 

[TrinityReformed]

Not sure if it was linked or not, but apparently someone made an ASMR of soyny fanboys raging over the PS5 Pro

 

[Edgy But Dull]

People in 2007 were not playing games primarily via Steam. That was still when you'd buy physical games on disc for PC. For reference, Xbox Live reported 4 million total users in 2007. World of Warcraft, a PC-only game that you had to pay a subscription for, already had more than 10 million subscribers in the same year.

WoW was a juggernaut in its time but its playerbase decline post WoTLK into Cata was around 2013, which is the year of GTAV's release as OP mentioned. Additionally the Xbox 360 and PS3 and both sold 80 million consoles at that point in time. The console market of this era grew enormously because the "bro gamers" coming in for stuff like Halo, CoD, and <INSERT GENERIC SPORTS GAME HERE>.

Good times and good games. C&C, Battle for Middle Earth, Star Wars Empire at War, Supreme Commander, etc...

As shit as the game was, I enjoyed AvP Extinction

But now the physical market is going away. And guys like Sony and Microsoft are trying to pivot to a subscription model where as long as you give them the total cost of one or two games a year, then that’s good enough for them. But that is incredibly toxic to the market, and we’re already seeing that with Microsoft’s shift in perspective where they just aren’t putting out a lot of big, exciting, great games. Game Pass is our “Netflix for Games”, including all of the parts that make Netflix suck. And see my screed about Nintendo being the only ones who are profitable right now earlier. So if Nintendo turns off the lights, that’s the end of the industry. Period. It'll still keep going on the PC, since PC being an open platform seems to give it some immunity, but console gaming will be well and fully dead at that point.

The console market likely won't ever die. At worst, the console market will just hobble around as the low effort platform for literal retards and children. There's too much money to be made off of retards buying 2K and whatever normie shit they play. Idiots will buy the new yearly FIFA, drop hundreds on microtransactions to get a better team, and then do it all over again next year for the newest edition. Sony made $1.5 BILLION off their platform cut from CoD in 2021. Consolefags are dwindling but the money is always there to be reaped.

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

i dont think we will see a ps6 before 2030, with how things are in the world right now.

If they're smart, yeah. PS5 Pro suggests they're not smart. We'll probably see it in 2026 at the earliest, no later than 2028.

That was also before Microsoft decided to cuck themselves and keep COD on PlayStation after the Activision deal went thru, and now they're slowly putting all their Xbox games on the Switch and PS5 because no one is buying their console anymore.

It's more profitable to put CoD in other platforms though, at least short-term. If they don't make CoD a console exclusive for their next-gen launch then they're well and truly retarded. That would absolutely gut PS6. Imagine a launch with CoD and TES6 as exclusives while Sony tried resurrecting Concord and supporting Fairgame$, it'd be fucking over.

Wii Sports and especially the Trauma Centre series REALLY made the motion control worth the investment. Hell the Trauma games (especially Trauma Team) and the Zelda shooting game got insane amounts of gametime in the UnClit household with a wife and two preteen girls taking up as much or more of the gametime then I did.

If Ninty can lock in a gimmick like that for the next generation (unlike the failed tab of the WiiU) they will utterly END Sony's last remaining vestiges of domination and relegate Microsoft to the Sega position of bowing out of consoles entirely.

Nintendo could do it, dual screens and motion controls really captivated audiences because they were done right. 3D probably could've done the same if they played their cards better. Same for Wii U's tablet, but that's a bit of a stretch, admittedly.

I think their best bet is to evolve the stuff they did with Switch. Keep the main focus on being a hybrid, double down on the single-Switch portable multiplayer concept, and dip their toe deeper into VR.

 

[LifeAlert]

this is just in, get ready to seethe!

Report: PlayStation 6 Chip Contract Landed by AMD, Sony Prioritizing PS5 Backwards Compatibility

The ride truly never ends, folks. They have the nerve, the cheek, the audacity to assume that people will pay close to $1,000 for a slight upgrade for a neutered not-PC that has absolutely no games (except a Mario Odyssey ripoff that will come to PC within a year) and is currently being mocked by a significant amount of gamers, while actively working on the successor and not even trying to hide it? Any graphicsfags that were on the fence about the Pro just saved $1,000. Between this, Concord, and that recent statement about "not raising, just changing the price of the PS5" I seriously think they are trying to kill the brand for good. By the end of this year, they are going to make 1980's Atari look like Valve

 

[00R-Gundam]

You know i get that having a dedicated electronic just for games without having to bother with anything else, like i get it. That said if they are willing to pay 700+taxes at the minimun, i dont get why they dont just save up a little extra and theyll have a pc that can play most games smoothly and also have more tools. It boggles my mind that they are seeing sony be greedy fucks and like the niggercattle they are, they just say "Yes God-Console King Sony"

God i hate mindless consumerism like that, its almost cult-like

 

[Freelance Police]

you might as well ask "how would Sony make the PS5 successful if they wanted to?"

That would involve making games, in which Sony has zero interest in doing.

this is just in, get ready to seethe!

Report: PlayStation 6 Chip Contract Landed by AMD, Sony Prioritizing PS5 Backwards Compatibility

Here's to hoping the next console reveal is open casket!

 

[Adash]

There's too much money to be made off of retards buying 2K and whatever normie shit they play.

Y'know, I thought the same too, until the PS5 Pro released, and normies were also absolutely dumbfounded at the price. Most of said normies still play on last gen. Truth is, they only care about two things: If it's cheap, and it has all the popular shit. PS4 still has a bunch of cross gen stuff out right now (although i'm not sure if 2K and FIFA is on PS4 and Xbox One still)

That probably depends on how well Switch 2 sells.

Depends on the first party launch titles. I'd assume Nintendo would have something cooking for launch.

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

Depends on the first party launch titles. I'd assume Nintendo would have something cooking for launch

Probably. It's gonna be a Saturn moment if Switch 2 doesn't have 3D Mario there day 1. I know they can't flood the market with heavy hitters all at once, but it better be a packed launch year. I'll be really disappointed if there's no 3D Zelda too, and no, Tears of the DLC doesn't count as the true latest 3D Zelda.