Greta Gustava Martela / Kjel Anderson & Nina Chaubal / Niraj Chaubal - Stole $350k+ from Trans Lifeline, kill count of 2+ from negligence, Founders of Sisterwood/La Zorra.

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How much are you willing to bet that as soon as the feds will be looking at those, Greta will skip town with the treasure and leave Nina alone ?

Well considering the fact that marriage is a sham and that nina is the chairperson and director of operations. Its pretty safe to say that greta has already made preparations for just such an occasion.
 
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Perhaps "Nicole" shouldn't of broken the law.

"...encouraged to fight for her life..."

Funny, I thought trannies were all about fighting for their lives, and given how so many of them like to talk tough you'd think they'd be okay with having to fight it out.
 
As a slacker and underachiever myself I know how scary success can be. That's why I thought Greta was purposefully trying to get Nina deported. The Lifeline is getting recognition and it's making Greta uncomfortable. But shutting down a suicide hotline because you get lazy isn't gonna fly, and in addition Nina was probably riding his ass (or not) about legalizing the marriage, which annoyed the slacker in him immensly. Driving through one of the toughest states on immigrant? Getting that close to the border? Loudly denouncing Nina as a foreigner? Arranging a harrasment campaign instead of getting an on-location lawyer??? C'mon. Any way I look this is benificial for Greta. He rids himself of responsibilities and gets sympathy instead. And no one can blame him because the gubbermint kills the hotline itself because it just won't allow poor Nina to stay!
 
As a slacker and underachiever myself I know how scary success can be. That's why I thought Greta was purposefully trying to get Nina deported. The Lifeline is getting recognition and it's making Greta uncomfortable. But shutting down a suicide hotline because you get lazy isn't gonna fly, and in addition Nina was probably riding his ass (or not) about legalizing the marriage, which annoyed the slacker in him immensely. Driving through one of the toughest states on immigrant? Getting that close to the border? Loudly denouncing Nina as a foreigner? Arranging a harassment campaign instead of getting an on-location lawyer??? C'mon. Any way I look this is beneficial for Greta. He rids himself of responsibilities and gets sympathy instead. And no one can blame him because the gubbermint kills the hotline itself because it just won't allow poor Nina to stay!

Either that or this is a ploy to get more attention and money. The only reason the sucide thing didn't work was @Manapan demolished greta every time greta even mentioned it and when greta sicced people like phil and others like him @Manapan simply got louder and that's when greta realized the he needs another saga, to ring in the donations. Nina vs ICE saga is the just another saga to bilk the morons. However when that's done, greta will simply set up another saga. Greta intentions can be summed up in one sentence: How can I make this work for me?
 
Alright not much on the activity front today, except the tll gang is taking a Scientology type stance against therapists.

No, greta if Martin Luther was alive today you guys would call him a coon.
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In addition I noticed that the message answer rate was changed, on the tll page.
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Oh hey, the respond to DMs now. Trying to hide something, Greta?

Also, fucking "capatlism" :story:
 
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Okay, I finally had a chance to go through the thread and respond to various things. I also have a couple of additional things to say about the wiki and related matters.

Something I've noticed both within this thread and when tracking down the original source of various evidence is, there is a tendency not to archive something with archive.is, especially Twitter threads. It would be helpful if we got more habituated into doing that and linking to it in posts. Archived copies of a webpage are direct copies of the source material and the URL, so they are just as credible as the original source. They also persist even after the person deletes it (Greta seems to have not bothered deleting more than a couple of things, thankfully). Screenshots are useful as well and sometimes that is the only means of documenting something. However, they are subject to a defense of fabrication by the target. Of course, this very rarely happens and lolcows do plenty of stupid shit so there's no need to fabricate anything, but it's still a plausible defense the target can invoke, and some people who are investigating will raise this possibility.

I archived all of the recent FB posts by Greta, and also many of the important and pertinent Twitter and FB threads and comments. It would be helpful in the future if others did this first. Also, if anyone has an archive of the infamous FB post from her on 9 August where she brags about going to Null's house and going to war with us, that would be great to have. I'm also seeking TLL posts promoting the fundraiser for Nina's post-arrest legal expenses, if any exist.

In the course of creating the new wiki article, a few things were particularly noteworthy to me.

Greta is an incredibly combative and reactive person who gives little thought to the ramifications of her actions. She openly bragged about starting a war with us and going to Null's house, and later on she used no restraint when responding to people as TLL on Twitter. The ill-fated journey across the Mexican/American border is another example. She then wonders why organizations don't seem eager to embrace hers.

TLL has given contradictory statistics and statements on numerous occasions, and what they proclaim and what they achieve as an organization are incongruent. Even as late as this month, their response rate is minimal despite November being a windfall for them and them asserting they could train a bunch of new operators very soon after they met and exceeded their goals.

There seemed to be a decline in standards and effort by the founders after the middle of 2015. While their various flaws were still present, they at least were taking time to create a report and the lengthy documentation for operators to be indoctrinated with, and ~50% of calls were being answered. They just seemed to give up after that point, and a lack of leadership and willingness at the lower echelons meant there was no one maintaining and ensuring the core functions of the organization- training operators and answering calls. It just really went to shit in late 2015 and especially 2016, especially combined with Greta's impetuosity and scrutiny from us. Very tragic. They could have done some good despite their flaws if they maintained their early 2015 efforts.

On to responses. Since there are so many of them I've placed them in two spoilered categories.

I don't have it or a link handy to demonstrate, but the language was they expressed a desire to speak to the families, and NOT that they already had.

I have a link to present now. https://archive.is/fDnj4

We are reaching out to the families to offer support and condolences.

This language seems ambiguous to me. The meaning can range from "We are actively contacting the families of the deceased." to "We are extending sympathies to the families in general and offer to talk to them if they happen to see this and choose to respond.". It's not definitive enough to accuse them of misrepresentation. Also, what they were repeating was extremely plausible, and 8 suicides on 9 November actually seemed low to me. I was surprised to hear it didn't happen at all.

Geth has, but it's much harder than you think to summarise all that is wrong with TLL in a relatively short post and to back it up with evidence.

I keep hearing about Geth. Do you have a link to his submission? Also, how well known is he?

They supposedly have four/five staff in total, each on $30k would basically account for all their cash.

They asserted last November that they have three full-time staff rather than the 5 they planned in their projected 2016 budget. There's no telling how much of what was donated has and will go to their stupid traveling and other unnecessary crap.

Should the wiki page list the board, or no?

There's a link to an archive of the staff page back when it was still up. Listing the board members prominently might be better, though in reality it seems Greta and Nina are the two who are actually in charge.

This is public info all charities are supposed to list I think.

Yes, it is. I noted in the wiki that they removed this information.

If the deportation issue comes up don't forget to mention the article where Nina says India isn't hell on earth for trannies

Does someone actually have this article I've repeatedly seen people allude to?

- Lizzie Waite/Claims of suicide caused by KF, this may come up (juicy story) so best to cite members donated and we're providing more support to Amanda than the TLL.

I should probably make a secondary article on that general affair when I get a chance. This would be one defense of KF I would use. The other would be that only a very small number of people here heard of her before her suicide, so it was impossible for there to have been a campaign of harassment from us. I didn't read her suicide note/manifesto, but apparently she didn't allude to any abuse in it. The post-suicide trolling seems to have been confirmed to have come from 4chan. The narrative we were responsible for abuse before and after her death is a myth.

1) TLL starting another charity (TAP?) Which freely gives out money, no questions asked besides "what do you need". So there is zero way of tracking where it is actually going.

Ahh, yes, I came across that a while back. I wonder if a major reason TLL is getting so little attention is they've been focused on establishing and expanding Trans Assistance Project.

I've been keeping up with your edits through the page history RSS feed. Let us know here when you're done refining it, as you mention and I'll be happy to give it a second revision and run it by you.

Oh, cool. Thanks for the interest! I don't know for sure when I'll finish refining the main article. I hope to do that by this evening or at least by the weekend, but that doesn't include the secondary articles, or the items which will be in there after I finish scanning the thread.

Yeah most of my complaints right now are just how citations are intermixed with content. I'll groom through it in a bit and wikisperg it.

That's the first wiki article I've ever done, and I really didn't know what the prevailing sentiment was on such things as using <ref> tags versus just linking to something directly, and what you mentioned.


I love that assertion he made. I just spent an extraordinary amount of time ensuring that everything in our wiki was accurate rather than just adding everything people alleged. They won't expend even 1/20th of the time I spent doing any research on us or the TLL saga, and most of the shit we're pouncing on came directly from Greta, Nina, and TLL, but somehow we're the ones who are totally amoral.

Another humble traveller detained for by ICE for having a cock!

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I've noticed they seem to care a great deal about LGBT immigration issues now that Nina's had to deal with the system on that end. While the concerns and objections they have raised are legitimate, they are the worst candidates for this sort of advocacy for various reasons.

And some people are just plain ol' re.tarded.

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If you never try to fully present as the gender that you feel you are aren't you just a crossdresser?

That post and their stances on what is trans actually don't deviate from those of the mainstream transgender movement. The transsexual subset probably is the largest and that's what the average person envisions when they hear about transgender people. However, the standard trans definition also includes the various non-binary and non-conforming types. So, those that don't actually try to pass as the other gender but have taken other steps to feminize- the crossdressers/femboys and the like- also count as trans. Whether or not one agrees with such a lifestyle or the broadness of this definition, TLL is not deviating from the trans community in general on this issue.

Is it A-logging to declare that I really want to shoot Greta in the face?...A lot?...Until I've reloaded twice and emptied the third magazine?

It is, but the circumstances here are extraordinary and thus I and most other Kiwis who gave a rating pardoned your A-logging and instead rated it Feels.

Alright not much on the activity front today, except the tll gang is taking a Scientology type stance against therapists.

To be fair to them, a lot of therapists are not suited for that profession. Some are just generally incompetent, some lack the temperament and empathy for that job, and some just don't have a treatment orientation or personality which is compatible with a prospective client. The intensive college training and internship don't actually mean very much ultimately. The beliefs on LGBT matters which the mainstream professional organizations adopt and espouse don't automatically become those of all of its members, so a few are going to be perceivably anti-gay/trans anyway. People who blithely go with whoever is at the top of the list and don't vet the therapist are setting themselves up for failure.

All of that being said...

However, I think these people don't like them because a therapist will tell them just what is wrong with them and what they need to do to change that.
But that takes self reflection and hard work.
And many of these people seem to get off on being perpetual victims.

This is why a lot of these people will not succeed with or without the help of a therapist. They don't have the capacity or willingness to see themselves as part of the problem, and they don't have a self-reformist attitude. Psychotherapy is supposed to enable and facilitate progress and recovery, but it's easier just to complain about all the mean people keeping them down than to actually improve. Those who cannot recognize when and how they contribute to problems, will not benefit from therapy much. Those who see themselves and their behaviors as contributing massively to their sickness, they have a higher chance of recovery.

They're paying the man for feelgood meds and hormones.

Those are psychiatrists, medical doctors with a specialty in psychiatry/psychology. Usually a therapist isn't also a psychiatrist since the two paths are very divergent, so they'd likely be seeing someone else for medication.
 
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The reason supermarket chains are forced to offer trans-inclusive health benefits is because that's the only place trans people can find jobs, especially insane troons who have no skills or work ethics. They are forced to cater to the segment if they want a healthy workforce and hope not be slammed with lawsuits by every trans cashier trying to get a bonus besides their minimum-wage paychecks.

It is generally a good thing, as that DC writer will soon discover if he tries to pull a "being trans is my job security and I don't have to work anymore" like the TLL people do. DC may be getting low but it isn't a scam like Greta's vacation budget NGO and needs to sell comics if they hope to continue existing. No effort means a productive Walmart career in his future.
 
I was very surprised at how mild Dick's reaction was to having an over 6 feet tall ex-marine or something drive halfway across the country on his NGO's dollars to make threats at someone's mother. I don't think that was a good interview at all or that Dick is a good host when you compare him to someone like Art Bell who would make even the craziest person sound interesting and worth listening to, even if he himself was convinced the guy was a total nut job.

This is the only episode of the show I've listened to so I know I could be wrong - it could be a lack of chemistry between him and Null (:heart-empty:) or just a bad day overall. Anyway, Null, KF and this thread deserve a better interview than that in my opinion. I guess everyone here would agree we're more than a hive of villainy, harassing innocent people as Dick painted us to be - especially, when it comes to TLL, Greta and friends. Even if, admittedly, we're not much more than a bunch of autistic people talking about other autistic people either.
 
I've never been a particularly large fan of Milo simply because he's obviously more of a merchant than a personality.
You do have a point there, he knows exactly what he's doing and sells it exactly as he needs to.
Alex Jones? Or actually, if you had the free choice to do a roundtable discussion with any person/personality, is there one you'd enjoy most?
 
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