US US Politics General 2 - Discussion of President Trump and other politicians

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Should be a wild four years.

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[ghastlyretard]

The U.S. Navy's entire original purpose and charter was specifically to fight pirates that were fucking with our merchant ships while demanding tribute.

Specifically MUZZIE pirates, if memory serves.

 

[Not 6 Foot]

Trump overruled Biden's pardons.
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Unless there's direct proof that Biden didn't issue those pardons, himself (and not just a rumor or feeling, even though it's pretty obvious the dude was mentally gone), this won't hold up. It's also just going to become a slap fight between every new president canceling the pardons of the last president using this as precedent, no matter what's found.

 

[Xarpho's Return]

This is a political move. The pardons will hold up but what this does is let Trump's DOJ lay out in detail all the crimes these people committed and then force the Dems to not only defend them but argue these people must be allowed to get away with it while shining a big spotlight on Biden's mental fitness during the last year.

Pardons will hold if Biden accepts it. If Biden confirms it he'll look like a vindictive asshole and drags those questions into the light, even if the pardons stay.

Funnier option would be if Biden denied it. It would personally make him look more sympathetic, that he didn't do pre-emptive pardons after all (and imply that he was just as much a victim), while also potentially voiding those pardons.

 

[( ◠‿◠ )]

My minimum is Fauci sentenced to having the blood eagle cut into him on national television.

I always knew you were soft on crime

 

[Collections Agent]

It's also just going to become a slap fight between every new president canceling the pardons of the last president using this as precedent, no matter what's found.

There's evidence Biden was not even involved with signing a lot of his documents, so this is objectively false.

Trump LOVES cameras and basically makes him signing every document into a massive media event, you'd have to have both brain damage and be blind to claim Trump didn't sign things

 

[Useful_Mistake]

The feature is entirely misleading. There is not one line here that indicates there are "criminal investigations" being launched. If you are going to make up and feature retarded bullshit then why not just say that Hillary's been shipped off to Gitmo like that one qoomer site does?

Even dogs can be taught to put things into context. I don't assume Trump revoked pardons just to investigate whether the recipients deserved a cone of ice cream, particularly when he accused the recipients (in the same post) of committing federal crimes.

 

[Not 6 Foot]

There's evidence Biden was not even involved with signing a lot of his documents, so this is objectively false.

It's US politics. They're going to use it as precedent and it's going to hold up because Trump did it. Stating otherwise is just naive.

 

[Collections Agent]

It's US politics. They're going to use it as precedent and it's going to hold up because Trump did it. Stating otherwise is just naive.

Ok when Trump signs 1 trumpillion pardons off camera using an automated signing machine I will feel the same way then, but that's just not what's been happening with him ever

 

[Achimadriel]

Former Trump voter here. There is no plan. Trump is just insane. He’s tearing up alliances to help support Putin, his supporters have this insane idea that protesting at a Tesla station is terrorism, and the economy is collapsing while innocent citizens are getting disappeared in foreign nations without due process because they’re just brown.

For anyone saying "he's not overturning them, he's nullifying them" it doesn't matter, there is literally no avenue anywhere in any of our foundational documents that allows for anything to happen to a presidential pardon once it has been executed. Nothing can be done to it.

There is absolutely no law on this subject. It would need to literally be built de novo, from the ground up. One would need to establish standing to even challenge something, let along nullify it. Just the issue of standing to even bring a challenge of a presidential pardon would need to be established, and ultimately the SCOTUS would likely have to take it up and decide if standing could be established. If standing could be established, to have even the slightest chance to challenge a presidential pardon one would need to prove that the president didn't actually grant the pardon. You'd need evidence "beyond a reasonable doubt" of a massive conspiracy to issue pardon's that were not granted by the president. Evidence that rises to that level just isn't likely to exist. People don't seem to understand that when a legal pathway doesn't exist you can't just will it into existence. Even the president can't do that. There is an entire process that needs to occur.

This is hilarious

This is probably was it felt like being a redditor listening to chuck shumer slobbering on the cr bill.

What office chair are you using, glowie.

 

[Jace on ice]

Unless there's direct proof that Biden didn't issue those pardons, himself (and not just a rumor or feeling, even though it's pretty obvious the dude was mentally gone), this won't hold up. It's also just going to become a slap fight between every new president canceling the pardons of the last president using this as precedent, no matter what's found.

I've heard that allegedly Biden was not present when the pardons were allegedly signed but who knows of that's true.

 

[FieldPiece]

He should arrest them and get them on a flight to El Salvador immediately. Judge says something about it and "aww geez dood Bukeles not co-operating. What a shame"

 

[Gog & Magog]

I don't assume Trump revoked pardons just to investigate whether the recipients deserved a cone of ice cream,

But what if he did?

 

[FILTH Tourist]

Ok when Trump signs 1 trumpillion pardons off camera using an automated signing machine I will feel the same way then, but that's just not what's been happening with him ever

A better comparison would be giving Elon a Trump Autopen and letting him go to town. All that shadow president shit the left is accusing Elon of being is literally what happened with Biden.

 

[he who has thus come/gone]

other nations should patrol their local coastlines instead of waiting for America to send carrier groups a gorillion miles away forever.

Piracy is focused in a few areas, none of which have the capacity or willpower to execute scum pirates. Those areas, generally, are off the coast of Colombia and in the Caribbean, off the coast of Ecuador/Peru, off the Guinea coast, the Horn of Africa, and the straits of Malacca. There have been some increasing concerns about the Indian Ocean as well. If our navy did nothing but spend money on executing pirates around the world, it would be worth every penny.

Yes, every country should be doing it as well. But you seem to be okay with inbred boat people, many of whom are pedophile worshippers, taking other people's stuff and kidnapping and killing people because it happens far away. It's such a navel gazing perspective on reality. Pirates aren't funny Johnny Depp people drinking rum and having a good time while sticking it to the man. They're violent thugs and rapists who steal other people's things, directly affecting prices and commerce in our country, who should be killed on sight. They would have no second thoughts about killing you, raping your family, and stealing your stuff if you were in their sights. Even if no other country did anything, it would still be righteous and worthwhile to kill them on our own.

 

[#lurker]

The fact that we have people out there, some even on this forum, STILL defending Fauci is absolutely baffling. You either don't know the bare minimum (in which case you shouldn't be talking about politics at all), or you gladly defend a career criminal.

 

[Collections Agent]

I will say if anyone investigated Fauci and had ironclad evidence he knowingly unleashed a pandemic on the world (I know there's already evidence but I mean like, undeniable evidence) it literally will not matter if he's pardoned or not, dude is going to live in a fallout bunker for the rest of his days

 

[The Last Stand]

Even dogs can be taught to put things into context. I don't assume Trump revoked pardons just to investigate whether the recipients deserved a cone of ice cream, particularly when he accused the recipients (in the same post) of committing federal crimes.

Theoretically speaking, I could be a staffer in the Trump admin, make a bill declaring Gloria Swanson's birthday a national holiday, use autopen to "forge" Trump's signature and it'd be okay since I work for him?

 

[kickingstones]

There is an argument to be made that the thick stack of pardons that were issued during the last stretch of the Biden administration are null and void if all were machine signed without Biden's knowledge, let alone his presence of body and mind. Biden is a dementia ridden meat puppet, whoever was making executive decisions, it wasn't him. The guy was barely coherent by the end of his term to the point even the MSM had to admit it. Any documents signed with an autopen under those circumstances are no better than documents with forged signatures.

Anthony Fauci deserves to rot behind bars, but even if that doesn't happen at the very least I would like to see his image and legacy completely destroyed and for him to be remembered not as a noble figure but as the lying scum he is. He was the key player in the development of the gain of function research that led to the COVID outbreak and also was responsible for the policies that informed the global lockdown mandates that ruined the lives of countless millions around the world. In my eyes he is no different to someone that has committed crimes against humanity.

Fauci deserves to be tied to the back of a horse dragged thru the streets, then have his limbs tied to 4 separate horses and have every sinew in his body ripped apart, like they used to do in olden times and that would still be too good for Fauci.


Ultimately for the crimes Fauci committed only a universal cosmic God can give Fauci the justice he deserves.

 

[Not 6 Foot]

Ok when Trump signs 1 trumpillion pardons off camera using an automated signing machine I will feel the same way then, but that's just not what's been happening with him ever

Listen, I agree with you, I'm just saying that this isn't what happens in US Politics whenever Trump is involved. The man wakes up to take a piss and people accuse him of holding his dick with the wrong hand. Anything he does is going to be used as precedent and painted in a much worse light than it really is in order to convince people to allow the precedent to stand.

 

[mindlessobserver]

This is unprecedented. The Crystal Meatball has predicted not only good news, but lulzy news at that. God speed, ya crazy orange bastard. Go for the (metaphorical) jugular.

In this case this isn't metaphorical at all. No going back if he pushes ahead with this.

Hail Donaldus MAGAnus. The Patricians shall be brought to heel. Or they will stab him. One or the other really.