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Autopens have been used by presidents for a long time. Obama famously used an autopen to extend the Bush tax cuts. There is long precedent for autopens to be valid. Not sure why Trump is being a retard about this.
Again it's not the Autopen it's the fact that someone else could have been signing the Pardons instead of Joe, and that Joe may not have even known about them at the time of signing.
 
You spelled Sweetie wrong.

Also the argument is Biden didn't know about them when they were signed and was only told about them during his press conference about it. The man literally reads anything off a teleprompter so It wouldn't surprise me if they used that to get him to say he did it.
How would the president not remember signing something? Are you retarded?
 
But if the pardons were issued without Biden's knowing or approval then they are pretty much a forgery. The President has the power of pardon, not random staffers with an autopen.
How could you prove that? Braindead biden and his family can simply lie and say he was aware of these pardons and come with some excuse in the courts, the trump administration just has to push harder and force biden into cognitive test.
 
Claiming a president’s signature doesn’t count because he autosigned it is Darrell Brooks tier legal reasoning.
I’m not a big Biden fan but this is ridiculous. It’s like claiming a court is not legitimate because the American flag has yellow trim, making it an admiralty court.
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I'm sorry but it's been declared you are now legally required to wear a burger suit.

Proof? Joe Biden did an executive order declaring it forever ago, we just found it, here's the signature.
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Yes I could have just forged his signature with a machine thousands of miles away from him but that doesn't matter, it's his signature, so by your logic: Get in the suit.
 
I heard somewhere that most of Biden's signings were done with autopen. Not just pardons, everything.

Does that mean somewhere around 80% of Biden's presidency is invalid?
he had obvious mental competency issues for at least half his presidency. we watched him go behind the podium and struggle to coherently speak / form sentences while his administration lied and said there was nothing wrong. it was clear as day that he wasnt able to be president but he was kept there for a reason. people, institutions, whatever, used his autopen signature to do whatever they wanted because he was too far gone. he wasnt our president and thats why we felt such a disconnect as a country because he was literally a wet mop.

the disconnect here is that while trump calls all this out nothing will ever actually be done about it because those same people who used bidens autopen still hold power today. people here love to pretend that trump isnt a puppet faggot himself but thats the way our world is now. maybe its too demoralizing to admit its a waste of time. maybe its for entertainment purposes. who knows.
 
All they need to do is to get Biden to announce that he did have those pardons signed under his authority and the entire case disappears. How much money do you think Biden would take to do so? We all know he takes bribes.


I think you are right. It will get squashed in the first day it hits the courts. But until then, the prosecutors have an excuse to investigate, collect evidence, announce what facts they have found to the public, submit charging documents to the court.

This will be a media circus that nobody can help rubbernecking.

As they say, sometimes the process is the punishment.

Win or lose, Trump wins.
This is where the fun begins. There is already 17 states conducting a shared investigation of the covid crimes. Is the evidence discovered allowed to be used by them? It's going to be a clusterfuck no matter the answer.

Then consider other countries may be interesting in using the evidence as well. Does that pardon protect from extradition for the same crimes if they effected other countries?
 
How would the president not remember signing something? Are you retarded?
Man literally has dementia and has had multiple on film instances of him forgetting shit that he shouldn't be forgetting. His not signing something and then being told that he did is not a hard thing to get away with. If you've interacted with any old person with dementia or Alzheimer, it's very easy to convince them that they did something that they didn't.
 
Again it's not the Autopen it's the fact that someone else could have been signing the Pardons instead of Joe, and that Joe may not have even known about them at the time of signing.
It's crazy but Professor Donger has swayed me on this debate. After having seen the first 2024 presidential debate, I do honestly agree that Joe was 100% being run by a cabal of people we didn't vote for. He was like one of those Chinese child emperors where the advisors actually run everything. And so if he didn't physically touch these pardons and also never heard about them... maybe throw them out?
 
It's crazy but Professor Donger has swayed me on this debate. After having seen the first 2024 presidential debate, I do honestly agree that Joe was 100% being run by a cabal of people we didn't vote for. He was like one of those Chinese child emperors where the advisors actually run everything. And so if he didn't physically touch these pardons and also never heard about them... maybe throw them out?
It's wild to me that people don't seem to understand that Joe Biden wasn't mentally there for at least the last year of his presidency. You can see it every fucking time he talks
 
You niggers arguing that an unelected theater kid with access to an auto-pen with Biden's signature is a-okay are the same fucks who'd scream constitutional crisis and end of democracy if it was a fucking Trump aide doing the same shit under the current administration. You TDS faggots are some of the worst, most disingenuous scum bags I've ever had the displeasure of associating with, even with something as trivial as just being members of the same forum. Sincerely, and whole-heartedly: eat a bullet. I genuinely despise you. Your kind are the reason I can hardly ever engage in good-faith arguments anymore. All you ever want to do is win, regardless of how retarded your position may be. There's no reasoning to be had with you, so do the rest of us a favor and suck-start a thirty-aught-six.
 
Man literally has dementia and has had multiple on film instances of him forgetting shit that he shouldn't be forgetting. His not signing something and then being told that he did is not a hard thing to get away with. If you've interacted with any old person with dementia or Alzheimer, it's very easy to convince them that they did something that they didn't.
So just because you have 'dementia or Alzheimer' (which hasn't even been proven to be true), means you're actions as president are invalid? Seriously?
 
It's pretty clear to me and at least 60%+ of Americans that Joe Biden was not president for 4 years.

Some shadow junta of Democratic staffers was running the show. $50 says Biden can't use the bathroom unaided.
It doesn't even have to be a shadow junta, it could be the same shit that happened with Wilson after his stroke where his wife was effectively the President. I could see Jill signing shit with autopen in Joes name to try and keep it "above board" and then gaslighting her husband while he's smearing ice cream and shitting himself that he signed the pardons.
 
Former Trump voter here. There is no plan. Trump is just insane. He’s tearing up alliances to help support Putin, his supporters have this insane idea that protesting at a Tesla station is terrorism, and the economy is collapsing while innocent citizens are getting disappeared in foreign nations without due process because they’re just brown.
Not gonna lie, former Trump voter here. This is fucking hilarious watching Trump crash and burn. But in all seriousness we can't let this guy get the nuclear codes.
 
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