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The posts saying that Trump would have to establish standing and a legal argument for overturning pardons, and that there's literally no law for doing so so it'd be basically impossible are correct... but part of me wonders if perhaps the Trump admin is going with the ballsiest possible approach. Consider a scenario where they find people who were imprisoned and set loose via these pardons, and grab them, no trial, and throw them back in the slammer to continue serving their time. The person imprisoned (or more likely some NGO) would sue for this, false imprisonment or something else adjacent. At this point, the federal govt would assert that the pardon wasn't real and wasn't made by the president as their defense, and they'd ride that baby all the way to the supreme court, at which point a ruling would be made, and I believe the SC would rule that a president actually has to be aware for it to be a presidential pardon lol. Personally, I don't believe this is anything more than something to generate MASSIVE negative PR against the dems and the Biden admin, but I suppose there could maybe be a realistic path for this.
 
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Nuns with guns said:
Accepting that Trump is baselessly claiming he can void the pardons by Biden because he didn't know about them or some shit (which is also easily dismissed, as Biden repeatedly said he was considering pardoning Liz Cheney, Fauci, and co) is not the same as agreeing with those pardons. I think they're morally reprehensible and that Biden cheated the system by pardoning them, but that doesn't mean I think the solution is for Trump to go to muddy waters and challenge the constitutional powers granted to the president.

Again the problem is not who signed them, and you can't suddenly say that Biden didn't know or didn't agree with them just because you also think they should have never happened. The problem is that Biden can easily say he did sign them and that trying to go after these pardons is going after the Constitution. The situation is retarded no matter how you cut it, and there are better ways to voice your grievances against those pardons than to suddenly cross your arms and say "nuh-uh these aren't valid."

But go ahead and call me a retard, because apparently disagreeing with Trump on this means I have TDS or something.
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You have your position. I disagree with it. I absolutely do have a problem with an unknown aide using his signature. I already had a problem with the idea that a walking dementia patient was being puppeteered to run this country. I'm sick of believing unelected bureaucrats are running everything, and this recent development doesn't help change my view on this.

No, this isn't really about the pardons to me. This is about people abusing power they weren't elected to wield. I'm fucking tired of this swamp/shadow government shit. I don't care who it is, if it's George Soros or some random twenty-something fresh out of college with a BA in lesbian linguistics: I want every one of these motherfuckers hijacking my country flushed out and nailed to a cross.
 
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mandatorylurk said:
I worry about the SpaceX capsule returning, who knows what kind of covert fags are at SpaceX, there could be trannies hitting stuff and loosening heat tiles, and fuck at this point some faggots like Canada Or Germany might try and shoot the capsule or ram one of their gay satellites into the capsule just out of retard anger.
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Don't worry about the return happening tomorrow, they are returning on the Crew 9 capsule which has been up there since September 28th, long before Elon Derangement Syndrome was set in.
 
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Chainsaw Juggler said:
I saw this on wikipedia regarding the autopen (yes I know, it is horribly biased on all things political).
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So Wiki is claiming
1) There may be originals out there signed by hand
2)There are photos that challenge the former staffer's claim of autopen

Does anyone know more about this? #2 in particular just sounds like political mushmouth that a picture of Biden signing a document technically exists, therefore staffer is wrong.
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Wikipedia sure churned this out quickly. Seems an awful lot like reporting the news. How could they possobly say any of this with the certainty of a encyclopedia?
 
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AspieNextDoor said:
I nooooooooticed that not a single leftist rag I follow reported on Trump talking about Biden's pardons yet. Not the Guardian, not the NYT, even on Reddit I saw only a single post with only 4k updoots. You would think it would be a pretty big news, but no, not a single peep.

Really makes the noggin' joggin', doesn't it?
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Dude it's crazy even FOX is ignoring it, and they all look nervous and sweaty stuttering through their re-heated takes on news from the weekend leading right up to this latest news. There's millions of Americans who get their news from legacy (((media))) that has no fucking clue this is happening.

UPDATE: CBS news devoted about 20 seconds to the story, then immediately went back to their round-the-clock reputation-laundering of foreign judges defending innocent gang members
 
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shekelshoah666 said:
Looking through the 50 pages since I went to sleep it's the usual "da pendulum will swing back!!!" shit god that is the most cringe shit.

There is nothing they can do they already didn't try and do during the last 4 years. They were raiding Trump supporters homes at 6 am and killing them, Importing millions of violent criminal illegals on purpose along with allowing tens of millions more in via open border and bringing in infinite indians/muslim/haitians and dumping bigger amounts into small towns then their local population, burning down cities due to nigger worship, all of the kung flu bullshit and then everything done against Trump in the courts etc there are 1000 other insane things done as well.

There is nowhere for the pendulum to swing back to, they already went as far as you can go without just mass killing people who support a different political party then you and they have openly begged for that to happen for almost a decade now.

Average liberal: "Fucking Nazis we want you all dead and your family dead" *firebombs a tesla*
Retard: "Woah we better go easy while we have power guys what would they do to us if they were in power?"
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Last night I just so happened to have been revisiting the first shows Rush Limbaugh gave after Trump was first elected in 2016. Rush was echoing what you're saying as so many Republicans were bemoaning Trump actually using his power after winning.
The right has been full of cowardly pussies forever. When the right wins, so many milquetoast handwringers start talking about reaching across the aisle, bipartisanship, making nice with the other side, etc. Fuck that.

Under Biden the left went for a total coup of the US government. The current Dems are all in on subverting American democracy. Either Trump tries to strike at the heart of the subversionists or the US is going to be controlled by the deep state. This is a war for the future of democracy.

Trump has shown that confident, assertive leadership is what wins elections, maintains popular support and gets results.
 
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harmacist said:
the disconnect here is that while trump calls all this out nothing will ever actually be done about it because those same people who used bidens autopen still hold power today. people here love to pretend that trump isnt a puppet faggot himself but thats the way our world is now. maybe its too demoralizing to admit its a waste of time. maybe its for entertainment purposes. who knows.
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If trump is a Puppet then the whole biden administration was a mess deliberately made so Trump can fix it up and look better. They went after him too much for that to not be the case.
 
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George Lucas said:
Congrats, you are the winner.

This is why all the retards here from the feature are so annoying. They preface their arguments with incorrect assumptions and it makes it infuriating to read and reply to them. To make it clear: Biden never authorized the pardons at all. We don't even know who actually authorized it and forged the signature, which implies a very serious crisis.
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I have to admit, its always fun watching the young accounts fall for your schtick. Hell, when I'm in speedread mode and barely notice usernames, I still fall for it, sometimes.

To the bait-biting newfags,
ya gotta lurk moar, niggas.
 
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This is a big issue, even I see it as an europoor.

The argument is that Biden's people used the autopen without Biden's knowledge and consent, in a matter where Biden could not legally delegate to them.

Hunter is safe, Biden would remember his son getting saved. But he can cpear this up by saying: Yes I pardoned Fauci and I gave the order to autopen.
 
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