US US Politics General 2 - Discussion of President Trump and other politicians

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Should be a wild four years.

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Current members of the House of Representatives
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Members of the Trump Administration
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[Potatoherder]

There some divisions between Rudy Giuliani and MAGA.

No, there are divisions between MAGA and Kash/Bondi. They have been given more than enough time and keep making 'mistakes' that help the deepstate. Loomer has been bailing them out by pointing out how bad their picks are.

 

[SpergioLeonne]

No, he has a valid point about pasting in AI answers. They're not reliable and will make something up if they don't know. An article or verified list of "largest X in the world" is fine but "my AI says this list is right," is something people are correct to be sceptical of. I had one get some maths wrong the other day.

Is it a better idea to do whatever you want to come up with an alternative list and say “whoa haha buddy, you’re wrong and this is how,” or to make an argument that IS a logical fallacy because in this case my list is correct, so you’re attacking a strawman hypothetical?

How do you get them to quit whatever it is they're doing now to feed themselves? There simply aren't millions of Americans waiting for that call to go work at a factory and there won't be until the economy becomes catastrophically worse.

Tell them that the median wage in manufacturing is $8/hour higher than retail, gives you the same shift consistently, plus paid vacation and employer sponsored healthcare, and a lot of the time you can sit down while you do it

 

[Celebrate Nite]

Could someone please ask BigJoey to refund the $1.50 he earned from yesterday's CCP shilling? I'm guessing the Chinese government is gonna need every penny they can get.

>implying China can even pay for shills at this point

 

[WelperHelper99]

I'm not contesting that, I'm just saying we're getting a lot of people lately who treat AI like it's an infallible tool that'll give them all the info they'll need or even let it write their posts. At that point why even have people post? We can just have grok run all our accounts.

AI scarry and will take your pencil neck job, got it

 

[Hey Johnny Bravo]

Most White male gamers could be trained in a technical cert in months.

Most gamers in general are incapable of getting through the day without saying the nigger word.

Also, we tried this "train the country to have jobs" thing before. It was called the Great Society program and it failed. It's a chicken or the egg argument. Which comes first: the trained workers or the jobs?

I do agree that the economy will likely improve when the Boomers finally croak and stop holding onto every single upper-management position until they're 90 years old.

 

[SaidNoOneEver]

Tell them that the median wage in manufacturing is $8/hour higher than retail, gives you the same shift consistently, plus paid vacation and employer sponsored healthcare, and a lot of the time you can sit down while you do it

The plan is to lie to them?

None of those things can be true if reshoring is to make economic sense.

 

[SpergioLeonne]

AI scarry and will take your pencil neck job, got it

These niggers are terrified of factories for some reason

 

[WelperHelper99]

Most gamers in general are incapable of getting through the day without saying the nigger word.

That is the trades in a nutshell lmao. They'll be fine.

 

[SpergioLeonne]

The plan is to lie to them?

None of those things can be true if reshoring is to make economic sense.

Median manufacturing wage in the US is $24/hour, almost exactly the overall median wage. The median retail wage is $16/ hour

retail further fucks with people by giving people 32, 35 hour schedules, whatever is necessary to call it part time. In a lot of cases like fast food, you have to be a manager to get full time but then it comes as salary, so you’ll be expected to work 50+ hours a week

Why do you hate factories

@Hey Johnny Bravo my place right now hires fat retards off the street for $21/hour and full benefits, then makes me train them from scratch.

Sure they’ll be useless for a couple years, but well not entirely. I’ll just have to fix it when they’re making scrap

 

[TrinityReformed]

Why do you hate factories

Because factories = sweatshops in their eyes. That's sadly the image they carry, despite it not being the case for a while, at least in an actual developed country.

 

[Wash away the rain]

Could someone please ask BigJoey to refund the $1.50 he earned from yesterday's CCP shilling? I'm guessing the Chinese government is gonna need every penny they can get.

If I’ve learned anything about Chinese people from being online is that they don’t have to be paid to actively want to spread propaganda and will actively break the law (about vpns) to do so regardless of the consequences.

 

[SpergioLeonne]

Because factories = sweatshops in their eyes. That's sadly the image they carry, despite it not being the case for a while.

I literally do most of my posting on here while I’m on the clock

Not today, but Monday through Friday. You’re not like, punitively oppressed to make it more sweaty.. it’s 2025. People watch movies on their tablet and shit while their machine is running

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

The idea that there is a lack of skilled workers in America is silly. Most White male gamers could be trained in a technical cert in months. There could be 10 million more machine operators in 3 months if the powers-that-be wanted. If WW3 started with China and we needed maximum drone production, every basement gamer would be certified and working a job in the supply chain.

If you want more engineers (mechanical, chemical, electrical, etc) just give every gamer the equivalent of an IQ test and offer a free accelerated degree if you're smart enough. Cut out all the "general education" and liberal arts requirements (or make them interesting; like a good Ancient Rome podcast). Tailor the learning to look like a tech-tree unlocked by tangible progress. Let them grind a skillset by repeatedly failing (this is how gamers get better at games). Don't have artificial semesters or beaurocracy. You'd have 1 million more engineers in a year or two.

This depressing slump always happens at the end of the 80 year cycle. When the geriatrics loose their lich-like grip there will be a tipping point and a chain reaction of events will bring about an "economic miracle". Mostly, the "miracle" is getting all the gatekeepers out of they way. And being willing to radically change systems while using the newest technology.

Higher education in the trades or technology used to be a safety net against illegals and other border-jumpers, most of whom only have the bare minimum of education. They can't steal your job if your job took a decade of study and apprenticeship IN the country. You can laugh at all the minimum-wage bozos who lose their jobs to foreign peasants, while your job is secure because you worked your ass off and your boss needs you for your degrees/skills.

However, with Elon's plan to import tons of Indians, that could be put to risk, since many Indians DO have degrees in trade and other techno sectors. There's a reason why half the call help centers are manned by Indians. And the cheap wages these Indians ask for cannot be matched by American gamers who would usually ask for a living wage to pay for their home, their food, and their games. No American wants to be a wage-slave, least of all gamers who want to enjoy the good things in life.

 

[indomitable snowman]

The recent video (not sure when recorded) that's going around of him is infuriating. He goes on about the great tooling and material engineers they have in China and how there are very few people of that caliber in the US so they have to be made in China. I'm like that's because you fired everyone in the US and there was never a pathway for people to become those in the US.

You open up here and we will have those people and skills again. It won't be tomorrow, but those people in China didn't suddenly appear overnight either.

Found the clip that's been going arround

It is from this interview in 2017 with Fortune global forum that took place in Guangzhou. I always hate these random clips that don't say when and where something is from

 

[quaawaa]

If I’ve learned anything about Chinese people from being online is that they don’t have to be paid to actively want to spread propaganda and will actively break the law (about vpns) to do so regardless of the consequences.

Hacker News is full of CCP shills, most of whom are legal immigrants to the US.

 

[Hey Johnny Bravo]

That is the trades in a nutshell lmao. They'll be fine.

Working in the trades requires hard work and long hours. Most NEET gamers don't even know what a callus is.

@Hey Johnny Bravo my place right now hires fat retards off the street for $21/hour and full benefits, then makes me train them from scratch.

Sure they’ll be useless for a couple years, but well not entirely. I’ll just have to fix it when they’re making scrap

Fair enough.

 

[UnidentifiedFlyingOrchid]

How do you get them to quit whatever it is they're doing now to feed themselves? There simply aren't millions of Americans waiting for that call to go work at a factory and there won't be until the economy becomes catastrophically worse.

Stop thinking about "sticks". Beating a dead horse doesn't work.

Garauntee them a house in a community that has "The Right of Association". Repeal the Civil Rights Acts (all of them); via Supreme Court ruling, invalidation from LBJ killing JFK, or MAGA++ red wave votes.

Make relationships and marriage viable again. If marriage is a contract, then fault should be required to not forfeit resources. "Divorce Rape" should not exist. One income should be comfortable to live on. Culture should view marriage positively. FCC licensed broadcasts shouldn't produce culturally damaging shows. Educational material shouldn't either.

 

[SpergioLeonne]

None of those things can be true if reshoring is to make economic sense.

Wrong

1: it costs money to send shit over seas on boats

2: China operates things at a loss oftentimes just to attack specific industries

3: manufacturing is a value added process that operates on slim margins. If my factory makes more than 3% profit in a year, it will cut bonus checks instead of going up a tax bracket

You buy materials in some state, and do something to them to make them more valuable, then sell them up the line. We don’t control either of those markets, but exist in the margin between them

LABOR IS NOT THE MOST EXPENSIVE OVERHEAD ITEM, the amount a factory pays in wages is like, a bit more than their electricity bill, but a tiny fraction of material costs

4: at that, much lower tariffs than we’re charging would bring a lot back. People are sociopaths and will outsource for just a percent worth of profit, because that’s how THEY make money

Are you a grown up? How don’t you know this

 

[CaliforniaRaisin]

You’re out past what you actually know about

No. Not really. And you're changing the argument. I don't give a flying fuck about WHAT they're machining, regardless if it's an Iphone case or a god damn turbine engine vane. The fact that they don't have a major mill or lathe manufacture based in the CCP doesn't mean they can't use one skillfully. That's my point. That's like saying "Hey, I can hit world record home runs with this aluminum bat, therefore I must also be capable of making the machine that made this aluminum bat"

 

[gaysexenjoyer]

many Indians DO have degrees in trade and other techno sectors

aren't there fake degree farms in india so dudes can become doctors and get cushy jobs in western countries despite not having actual training